[The Private]

I agree their schedule and not playing in the best tourneys In Ky will hurt Justice chances on winning Mr.Basketball.As far as Ramey he would be very average if not playing for SV.They will get back to winning easy next week.

[The King]

I agree. SV is a very good team but I've been saying all along they aren't a top 10 team. No disrespect to them, but honestly they've done nothing to prove they're top 10 worthy.

Valley would be the 5th or 6th best team in the 7th region so how can they currently be ranked in the top 5?!?

Just curious... which games have you watched SV play?

[PC_You_Know]

Just curious... which games have you watched SV play?

Probably none, live that is, this season.

[kywldcat01]

Just curious... which games have you watched SV play?

Probably none, live that is, this season.

I saw Valley last year in the All "A" and both of their state tournament games.

I haven't seen them this year but I'd say a lot of people haven't considering SV doens't play anyone in state outside of the mountains.

If you want respect, you have to earn it by playing and beating top teams around the state. Anyone can look like world beaters playing in the horrible 15th region.

Look at what Valley has done in the state tournament and you'll see why nobody is sold on them outside of EKY and the mountains:

2009: Shelby Valley 51 Mason Co 44 ; Elliott Co 75 Shelby Valley 69
2008: Did Not Make State Tournament
2007: Elliott Co 68 Shelby Valley 55
2006: Did Not Make State Tournament
2005: Henry Clay 69 Shelby Valley 38
2004: Did Not Make State Tournament

Why should SV be given the same respect that teams like Scott Co, Ballard, Holmes, Clark Co, Mason Co, Eastern, Trinity, and Jeffersontown when they play no where near the schedule that those teams play? Valley only played one top 20 team lat year too in Elliott Co and that was only because they met in the All "A". Elliott Co played a weak schedule last year too but atleast they put teams like Mason Co and Ballard on their schedule.

When Booher starts scheduling top competition and quits worrying about W's and L's, then you'll see his team get the respect they deserve. If Valley is as good as some of you say, why did Booher decline an invitation to the KOB where his team could measure themselves against the other top teams around the state? It's hard to give a team respect that doesn't play anyone.

IMO, the following top 10 teams would beat Valley:

Scott Co, Ballard, Holmes, Eastern, Clark Co, Trinity, Jeffersontown, Seneca, Male

I also think teams such as Highlands, Newport, Christian Co, Warren Central (with Shanklin), and even Bowling Green would beat Valley.

That puts them in the 12-20 range which is appropriate IMO. Outside of Justice, SV has a bunch of average players. Look at the teams above that I listed and what separates them from Valley is they all have more than one "star."

[DortonWildcat5]

I saw Valley last year in the All "A" and both of their state tournament games.

I haven't seen them this year but I'd say a lot of people haven't considering SV doens't play anyone in state outside of the mountains.

If you want respect, you have to earn it by playing and beating top teams around the state. Anyone can look like world beaters playing in the horrible 15th region.

Look at what Valley has done in the state tournament and you'll see why nobody is sold on them outside of EKY and the mountains:

2009: Shelby Valley 51 Mason Co 44 ; Elliott Co 75 Shelby Valley 69
2008: Did Not Make State Tournament
2007: Elliott Co 68 Shelby Valley 55
2006: Did Not Make State Tournament
2005: Henry Clay 69 Shelby Valley 38
2004: Did Not Make State Tournament

Why should SV be given the same respect that teams like Scott Co, Ballard, Holmes, Clark Co, Mason Co, Eastern, Trinity, and Jeffersontown when they play no where near the schedule that those teams play? Valley only played one top 20 team lat year too in Elliott Co and that was only because they met in the All "A". Elliott Co played a weak schedule last year too but atleast they put teams like Mason Co and Ballard on their schedule.

When Booher starts scheduling top competition and quits worrying about W's and L's, then you'll see his team get the respect they deserve. If Valley is as good as some of you say, why did Booher decline an invitation to the KOB where his team could measure themselves against the other top teams around the state? It's hard to give a team respect that doesn't play anyone.

IMO, the following top 10 teams would beat Valley:

Scott Co, Ballard, Holmes, Eastern, Clark Co, Trinity, Jeffersontown, Seneca, Male

I also think teams such as Highlands, Newport, Christian Co, Warren Central (with Shanklin), and even Bowling Green would beat Valley.

That puts them in the 12-20 range which is appropriate IMO. Outside of Justice, SV has a bunch of average players. Look at the teams above that I listed and what separates them from Valley is they all have more than one "star."

I don't know that SV is in the top group of teams, but most of the ones you listed are capable of beating Holmes as well as other top teams. I believe SV can also beat many of those teams on a given night. The funny thing is that SV can play with any of these teams with only one "star". That is called team ball and SV plays it as good or better than any team in the state. If teams like Holmes and Scott County could utilize their talent, there is no way mountain teams could compete with them. If many of these talented teams played together nearly as well as SV then SV shouldn't come within 20 of them. The best thing about this great game, though, is that it is a team game and the most talent doesn't always win, but many times the team who plays the best together does.

[Benchwarmer]

I saw Valley last year in the All "A" and both of their state tournament games.

I haven't seen them this year but I'd say a lot of people haven't considering SV doens't play anyone in state outside of the mountains.

If you want respect, you have to earn it by playing and beating top teams around the state. Anyone can look like world beaters playing in the horrible 15th region.

Look at what Valley has done in the state tournament and you'll see why nobody is sold on them outside of EKY and the mountains:

2009: Shelby Valley 51 Mason Co 44 ; Elliott Co 75 Shelby Valley 69
2008: Did Not Make State Tournament
2007: Elliott Co 68 Shelby Valley 55
2006: Did Not Make State Tournament
2005: Henry Clay 69 Shelby Valley 38
2004: Did Not Make State Tournament

Why should SV be given the same respect that teams like Scott Co, Ballard, Holmes, Clark Co, Mason Co, Eastern, Trinity, and Jeffersontown when they play no where near the schedule that those teams play? Valley only played one top 20 team lat year too in Elliott Co and that was only because they met in the All "A". Elliott Co played a weak schedule last year too but atleast they put teams like Mason Co and Ballard on their schedule.

When Booher starts scheduling top competition and quits worrying about W's and L's, then you'll see his team get the respect they deserve. If Valley is as good as some of you say, why did Booher decline an invitation to the KOB where his team could measure themselves against the other top teams around the state? It's hard to give a team respect that doesn't play anyone.

IMO, the following top 10 teams would beat Valley:

Scott Co, Ballard, Holmes, Eastern, Clark Co, Trinity, Jeffersontown, Seneca, Male

I also think teams such as Highlands, Newport, Christian Co, Warren Central (with Shanklin), and even Bowling Green would beat Valley.

That puts them in the 12-20 range which is appropriate IMO. Outside of Justice, SV has a bunch of average players. Look at the teams above that I listed and what separates them from Valley is they all have more than one "star."

You are getting of topic and a little downgrading toward mountain teams. Watch what you say.

[goodguy]

It's hard to say anything on here that is not praising SV without the SV fans saying you are not giving them their due or sliding them.

Shelby Valley is a very good team! I've always said that and will believe it this entire season.

But, I was saying how can anyone rank them in the top 5 or 10 in the state when they don't play any top teams or any top ranked teams all season? They should have to prove they deserve the ranking they are getting. The only way to do that is play the best.

Beating non ranked teams by 20-50 points every game of the season does not prove your the one of the best in the state.

You have to "play the best to be the best".

And as for Elisha (spelled it correctly:eyeroll I think he is a very good player and have supported and taken up for him several times on this site. I just honestly don't think SV's schedule will give him the exposure nor the competition to win Mr. KY Basketball when he is competing against the candidates from Trinity, Scott Co. and Holmes.

[Stardust]

And as for Elisha (spelled it correctly:eyeroll I think he is a very good player and have supported and taken up for him several times on this site. I just honestly don't think SV's schedule will give him the exposure nor the competition to win Mr. KY Basketball when he is competing against the candidates from Trinity, Scott Co. and Holmes.

That is absolutely correct

[The King]

If you want respect, you have to earn it by playing and beating top teams around the state.

Why should SV be given the same respect that teams like Scott Co, Ballard, Holmes, Clark Co, Mason Co, Eastern, Trinity, and Jeffersontown when they play no where near the schedule that those teams play?

When Booher starts scheduling top competition and quits worrying about W's and L's, then you'll see his team get the respect they deserve. If Valley is as good as some of you say, why did Booher decline an invitation to the KOB where his team could measure themselves against the other top teams around the state? It's hard to give a team respect that doesn't play anyone.

My question was simply a question, not a knock on your opinion. I agree with you in part about the scheduling situation. Booher's style the past three years is to play an out of state tournament (New York, Florida, and Florida), along with a mountain tournament (Cumberland Falls, Hoopin' it Up, and Mountain Classic) during the holiday break. The out of state tournaments have featured some big time talent with SV playing against McDonald's All Americans the previous two seasons, so I'm sure Booher is going to these tournaments thinking it will help his win/loss record. I would prefer that he play an in-state tournament such as the KOB or Republic Bank, but he prefers the out of state tournaments.

I understand that teams like Scott Co., Ballard, Holmes, etc. warrant more respect ranking-wise due to scheduling, but you have to understand that geographic location plays a big part in their schedules. Mountain teams don't have access to the number of teams within a reasonable drive like the schools you mention. However, I also don't expect Shelby Valley to garner the respect these teams get either. But Booher and SV aren't as wrapped up in the win/loss total as you make it seem...

[Stardust]

My question was simply a question, not a knock on your opinion. I agree with you in part about the scheduling situation. Booher's style the past three years is to play an out of state tournament (New York, Florida, and Florida), along with a mountain tournament (Cumberland Falls, Hoopin' it Up, and Mountain Classic) during the holiday break. The out of state tournaments have featured some big time talent with SV playing against McDonald's All Americans the previous two seasons, so I'm sure Booher is going to these tournaments thinking it will help his win/loss record. I would prefer that he play an in-state tournament such as the KOB or Republic Bank, but he prefers the out of state tournaments.

I understand that teams like Scott Co., Ballard, Holmes, etc. warrant more respect ranking-wise due to scheduling, but you have to understand that geographic location plays a big part in their schedules. Mountain teams don't have access to the number of teams within a reasonable drive like the schools you mention. However, I also don't expect Shelby Valley to garner the respect these teams get either. But Booher and SV aren't as wrapped up in the win/loss total as you make it seem...

In fairness to the kids that you are trying to market, you have to put them in better competition in order for the kids that you as the coach are responsible for helping get to the next level. You may be very right that their is not as much emphasis on wins and losses, I don't know. But if there are kids there that can or should be recruited or can compete for a Mr. Basketball aware, you find a way to make travel less of an issue. Where are they coming back from right now? I don't think travel is a concern

[The King]

In fairness to the kids that you are trying to market, you have to put them in better competition in order for the kids that you as the coach are responsible for helping get to the next level.

Pitino has been to see Justice play twice. Various other coaches, D1 and NAIA, have been to see him numerous times. Transy has been to see Hatfield various times. If you are good enough, coaches will find you.

And as for the Mr. Basketball argument, go look at Paintsville's 1998 schedule. Other than the All "A" and a trip to St. Louis the only non-mountain road game that Paintsville played was at Marshall County, and Marshall was 12-15 on the season. Yet J.R. Vanhoose still came away with Mr. Basketball. I understand that Paintsville did well at Rupp, and am not suggesting that SV will do the same, but as you can see it does happen that you can win Mr. Basketball without "marketing" them in the golden triangle...

[The King]

IMO, SV should be ranked somewhere in the 15-20 range in state at the best and I can't see moving them up at all until we see how they compete against Christian Co(who is struggling 0-3 in Ashland tourney) later in January.

Christian County was 1-2 at Ashland. Also, it's funny that you consider Christian County as "struggling" at 10-2, and they only lost by 3 on a neutral court to Mason County who is considered one of the top teams in the state...

[DALE]

That 1998 Tiger team seniors played in quite a few national tournaments during their 4 years in high school. The 1996 State Title team that went 28-10 played in Vegas against Mike Bibby(Arizona), they played in Delaware against Tayshaun, Lexington Catholic's tournament when they were able to get teams with players like Elton Brand(Duke), David Graves(Notre Dame), Harold Swannagan(Florida State lean but ended up at Notre Dame),St. Louis and also played one season at Vanderbilt. I'm sure JR has a much better list of venues and teams that they were able to play against but these are just a few off the top of my head. But when you play against those type of teams at high profile invitation only tournaments across the country, it had to help out in his recognition I believe. Being 6'10, playing on a top ranked state team for several years even at times ranked in the Top 20 in the nation, winning a state championship and state tourney MVP at a young age, winning the Gatorade KY Player of the year twice and being a Parade Magazine All-American didn't hurt either in winning Mr. Basketball. That's one thing you can say about Coach Runyon, when he had the horses in the stable, he took them across the nation and state to showcase the kids talents. Being in high school when JR was there at the open gyms, during school, or at games you could find Bob Knight, Billy Donovan, Rick Pitino and other high profile coaches at that time around watching these kids play. I must say during this era it was one of the best times in my life.

If a coach thinks a kid is flying under the radar he should take the team out of the area and play some of the better teams that have highly regarded players on them. Scouts at those games may take notice of the player's abilities and the buzz will start to get around. I would take my teams to the larger cities with college programs as often as I could in hopes that a scout would be there as well watching a local kid or team.

[goodguy]

Pitino has been to see Justice play twice. Various other coaches, D1 and NAIA, have been to see him numerous times. Transy has been to see Hatfield various times. If you are good enough, coaches will find you.

And as for the Mr. Basketball argument, go look at Paintsville's 1998 schedule. Other than the All "A" and a trip to St. Louis the only non-mountain road game that Paintsville played was at Marshall County, and Marshall was 12-15 on the season. Yet J.R. Vanhoose still came away with Mr. Basketball. I understand that Paintsville did well at Rupp, and am not suggesting that SV will do the same, but as you can see it does happen that you can win Mr. Basketball without "marketing" them in the golden triangle...

I agree with what you are saying but in 1998 did J.R. Vanhoose have as many good candidates competing against him for Mr. Basketball?

Christian County was 1-2 at Ashland. Also, it's funny that you consider Christian County as "struggling" at 10-2, and they only lost by 3 on a neutral court to Mason County who is considered one of the top teams in the state...

Not this year, they only have one starter returning from last years team. They are no where near one of the top teams in the state.

[kywldcat01]

I don't know that SV is in the top group of teams, but most of the ones you listed are capable of beating Holmes as well as other top teams. I believe SV can also beat many of those teams on a given night. The funny thing is that SV can play with any of these teams with only one "star". That is called team ball and SV plays it as good or better than any team in the state. If teams like Holmes and Scott County could utilize their talent, there is no way mountain teams could compete with them. If many of these talented teams played together nearly as well as SV then SV shouldn't come within 20 of them. The best thing about this great game, though, is that it is a team game and the most talent doesn't always win, but many times the team who plays the best together does.

The good thing about this statement is Holmes actually plays the teams that I mentioned so we'll know for sure whether or not they are capable of knocking them off.

I have no problem with where the other top 10 teams are ranked because they've actually proven they deserve that ranking by beating other top teams.

And I never said that SV couldn't compete with anyone in the state. I think they can. But competing with those teams and beating them is a big difference. If you're playing for championships, there are no moral victories.

You are getting of topic and a little downgrading toward mountain teams. Watch what you say.

I'm not downgrading anyone. I hate how any time you get on here and say something that isn't praising SV or their players, you're automatically downgrading them and bashing them.

Everyone on here says the same things about different teams from their area...does that mean we're downgrading that area too? No...we're simply giving our OPINION on that team.

Don't be so sensitive.

My question was simply a question, not a knock on your opinion. I agree with you in part about the scheduling situation. Booher's style the past three years is to play an out of state tournament (New York, Florida, and Florida), along with a mountain tournament (Cumberland Falls, Hoopin' it Up, and Mountain Classic) during the holiday break. The out of state tournaments have featured some big time talent with SV playing against McDonald's All Americans the previous two seasons, so I'm sure Booher is going to these tournaments thinking it will help his win/loss record. I would prefer that he play an in-state tournament such as the KOB or Republic Bank, but he prefers the out of state tournaments.

I understand that teams like Scott Co., Ballard, Holmes, etc. warrant more respect ranking-wise due to scheduling, but you have to understand that geographic location plays a big part in their schedules. Mountain teams don't have access to the number of teams within a reasonable drive like the schools you mention. However, I also don't expect Shelby Valley to garner the respect these teams get either. But Booher and SV aren't as wrapped up in the win/loss total as you make it seem...

I don't buy that. SV just travelled to Florida so obviously travel isn't that big of a problem for the Wildcats. They easily could have stayed in state and played in the KOB and used the rest of the money spent on the Florida trip to play other teams around the state in areas such as Lexington or Louisville.

The top teams in the state are willing to travel anywhere for good competition. It's not as hard as you make it sounds. Want proof?

Holmes has played 200 miles away in Western KY twice already. (@ Warren Central, @ Marshall Co)

They've also played 100 miles away in Louisville for a week end. (KOB)

They'll travel 60 miles to Mason Co tonight for a game.

And they also travel 100 miles away again January 16th to play Christian Co @ Montgomery Co.

Teams would be willing to travel to EKY if Coach Booher would try to schedule them. IMO he doesn't want his team seen by the other top teams around the state because he feels it will put him at a disadvantage come state tourney time. I could be wrong, but that's just my take. Both Mason Co and Ballard showed last year that they'll play anyone, anywhere when they travelled to Elliott Co even though they knew they wouldn't get a return game this year.

[DortonWildcat5]

The good thing about this statement is Holmes actually plays the teams that I mentioned so we'll know for sure whether or not they are capable of knocking them off.

I have no problem with where the other top 10 teams are ranked because they've actually proven they deserve that ranking by beating other top teams.

And I never said that SV couldn't compete with anyone in the state. I think they can. But competing with those teams and beating them is a big difference. If you're playing for championships, there are no moral victories.



I'm not downgrading anyone. I hate how any time you get on here and say something that isn't praising SV or their players, you're automatically downgrading them and bashing them.

Everyone on here says the same things about different teams from their area...does that mean we're downgrading that area too? No...we're simply giving our OPINION on that team.

Don't be so sensitive.



I don't buy that. SV just travelled to Florida so obviously travel isn't that big of a problem for the Wildcats. They easily could have stayed in state and played in the KOB and used the rest of the money spent on the Florida trip to play other teams around the state in areas such as Lexington or Louisville.

The top teams in the state are willing to travel anywhere for good competition. It's not as hard as you make it sounds. Want proof?

Holmes has played 200 miles away in Western KY twice already. (@ Warren Central, @ Marshall Co)

They've also played 100 miles away in Louisville for a week end. (KOB)

They'll travel 60 miles to Mason Co tonight for a game.

And they also travel 100 miles away again January 16th to play Christian Co @ Montgomery Co.

Teams would be willing to travel to EKY if Coach Booher would try to schedule them. IMO he doesn't want his team seen by the other top teams around the state because he feels it will put him at a disadvantage come state tourney time. I could be wrong, but that's just my take. Both Mason Co and Ballard showed last year that they'll play anyone, anywhere when they travelled to Elliott Co even though they knew they wouldn't get a return game this year.

Never said anything about moral victories. SV is too good and too experienced to be satisfied with moral victories. My point was that they have the cards stacked against them athletically and talent wise, but they still are a threat to anyone in this state on a given night. Championships are the only things that matter to them, though. Again, I am not saying SV is a state title contender, but they could be. We'll see what happens from here on out.

[The King]

They'll travel 60 miles to Mason Co tonight for a game.

It's funny that you use 60 miles as an example. Have you been to eastern Kentucky lately. Sixty miles will get you just on the other side of Prestonsburg. Even the 100 mile examples will just get you somewhere on the Mountain Parkway. Mountain team are looking at 150 miles trip to get to Lexington and 225 mile trips to get to Louisville. SV made the trip to PRP in the preseason and beat Iroquois, and will probably make the trip to Richmond for the All "A". I somewhat understand your point and would like to have seen an in-state tournament in place of the FL one, but to say geography doesn't play a big part is ridiculous...

[The King]

That 1998 Tiger team seniors played in quite a few national tournaments during their 4 years in high school. The 1996 State Title team that went 28-10 played in Vegas against Mike Bibby(Arizona), they played in Delaware against Tayshaun, Lexington Catholic's tournament when they were able to get teams with players like Elton Brand(Duke), David Graves(Notre Dame), Harold Swannagan(Florida State lean but ended up at Notre Dame),St. Louis and also played one season at Vanderbilt.

Shelby Valley has played against 2 McDonald's Americans in Sylvan Landesberg (Virginia) and Kenny Boynton (Florida). They played against 5 Star PG in Ryan Harrow (NC State), along with his teammate Glen Rice Jr. (Georgia Tech). The played against Noah Cottrill (WVU signee) and the three kids from Miller Grove that have numerous D1 offers. I'm not slighting Paintsville's schedule, just pointing out that they didn't make constant trips to Louisville and Lexington to play during the 1998 season...

[Chuck Taylor]

My question was simply a question, not a knock on your opinion. I agree with you in part about the scheduling situation. Booher's style the past three years is to play an out of state tournament (New York, Florida, and Florida), along with a mountain tournament (Cumberland Falls, Hoopin' it Up, and Mountain Classic) during the holiday break. The out of state tournaments have featured some big time talent with SV playing against McDonald's All Americans the previous two seasons, so I'm sure Booher is going to these tournaments thinking it will help his win/loss record. I would prefer that he play an in-state tournament such as the KOB or Republic Bank, but he prefers the out of state tournaments.

I understand that teams like Scott Co., Ballard, Holmes, etc. warrant more respect ranking-wise due to scheduling, but you have to understand that geographic location plays a big part in their schedules. Mountain teams don't have access to the number of teams within a reasonable drive like the schools you mention. However, I also don't expect Shelby Valley to garner the respect these teams get either. But Booher and SV aren't as wrapped up in the win/loss total as you make it seem...

Yes and no. Pike County is not near an interstate but that did not stop the Clay County teams of the past traveling around the state to participate in tournaments. And it did not stop the Paintsville teams from traveling the state. Not playing in the major in-state tournaments has prevented Justice from having a serious shot at Mr. Basketball.

[Chuck Taylor]

Bottom line is that Shelby Valley's schedule is no where close to being as tough as it should be.

This was the year to be playing in the Republic Bank and the King of the Bluegrass.

[PC_You_Know]

Does anyone understand we're in a recession and Shelby Valley is located in EKY, the most impoverished part of the state?

[The King]

This was the year to be playing in the Republic Bank and the King of the Bluegrass.

I actually agree with this statement.

[kywldcat01]

Never said anything about moral victories. SV is too good and too experienced to be satisfied with moral victories. My point was that they have the cards stacked against them athletically and talent wise, but they still are a threat to anyone in this state on a given night. Championships are the only things that matter to them, though. Again, I am not saying SV is a state title contender, but they could be. We'll see what happens from here on out.

I disagree that they have the cards stacked against them athletically and talent wise. While the Newsome boys and Varney are average players compared to the top players around the state, both Hatfield and Justice have played against the best on the AAU circuit and Justice is very athletic.

Bottom line, for the team that SV has this year, there's no reason they shouldn't be playing 3 or more top 20 teams.

It's funny that you use 60 miles as an example. Have you been to eastern Kentucky lately. Sixty miles will get you just on the other side of Prestonsburg. Even the 100 mile examples will just get you somewhere on the Mountain Parkway. Mountain team are looking at 150 miles trip to get to Lexington and 225 mile trips to get to Louisville. SV made the trip to PRP in the preseason and beat Iroquois, and will probably make the trip to Richmond for the All "A". I somewhat understand your point and would like to have seen an in-state tournament in place of the FL one, but to say geography doesn't play a big part is ridiculous...

Again...I don't buy the geography excuse. Holmes travelled to the bottom tip of Western KY to play at Warren Central (211 miles from Holmes) and Marshall Co (301 miles from Holmes) in back to back week ends when they easily could've stayed at home and played nky competition.

Hazard came up here last year on a Saturday to play Holmes and Warren Central will do the same thing this year. Ballard and Mason Co travelled to EKY last year on a Sat to play Elliott Co and I'm pretty sure Mason Co may have made the trip on a week day.

Heck, North Laurel and Cumberland Co even came to NKY this past week end to play in the Lloyd Memorial Invitational.

Like I said...if Booher tried to schedule any top 10 team to come to EKY, they would. It would be very easy to set up a Saturday game. That's what a lot teams are doing these days.

Norcross, GA came up to play Scott Co on a WEEKDAY while school was still in.

Does anyone understand we're in a recession and Shelby Valley is located in EKY, the most impoverished part of the state?

What does that have to do with anything? If SV can travel to Florida to play in a tournament, why wouldn't they be able to travel 150 miles two or three times during the season? I don't know the exact figures, but I'd guess that would be cheaper than going to Florida. Also, Canfield Development usually pays for the kids to stay in Louisville for the KOB if they make the trip there from somewhere far away.

There's also close competition that SV could be playing. Fairview, Ashland, and East Carter would all be quality opponents this year.

BTW, Christian Co is travelling all the way from Western Kentucky (359 miles) to play at Shelby Valley.

I don't buy the recession or geography excuse at all. It hasn't stopped other teams from travelling to find good competition around the state.

[goodguy]

Does anyone understand we're in a recession and Shelby Valley is located in EKY, the most impoverished part of the state?

Didn't they just spend a week in Florida?

[loubballfan]

They can borrow my Kroger Card if they need gas money.:thatsfunn

[kywldcat01]

Didn't they just spend a week in Florida?

:Thumbs:

[PC_You_Know]

Didn't they just spend a week in Florida?

Raised by the parents I'm pretty sure. I don't think the parents would be willing to raise the money to travel all over the state. When it's involving their kids getting a little vacation too they're all for it.

[The King]

There's also close competition that SV could be playing. Fairview, Ashland, and East Carter would all be quality opponents this year.

SV has played Ashland the past two seasons and won two year ago by 17 and last year by 43...

[kywldcat01]

Raised by the parents I'm pretty sure. I don't think the parents would be willing to raise the money to travel all over the state. When it's involving their kids getting a little vacation too they're all for it.

Like I said before...Christian Co is willing to travel 359 miles to EKY to play the Wildcats.

Even if SV didn't leave EKY, it'd be very easy for them to try and schedule a Louisville or Lexington school.

Geography and money aren't as big of a factor as some of you Valley fans are making it out to be.

Other teams are travelling 200 and 300 miles for games right now in state, despite the "recession" like you say.

Both PCC and KCC have travelled outside of the mountains to play, so your logic doesn't hold much credibility.

[kywldcat01]

SV has played Ashland the past two seasons and won two year ago by 17 and last year by 43...

My point is, there are quality teams in Central and Eastern KY that are willing to travel to play SV.

It'd be very easy for Booher to get teams like South Laurel, Clark Co, Mason Co, Lexcath, Scott Co, Corbin, or even KCC, Hazard, and PCC on their regular season schedule every year.

There are also several NKY schools such as Holmes, Highlands, Boone Co, Newcath, and Covcath that would be more than willing to set up a home and home with SV.

I know for a fact that Boone tried to get Elliott Co on their schedule last year and even offered to come down there but EC wasn't willing to make the return trip so things didn't work out.

Teams are willing to travel down to the mountains to play, but the mountain teams aren't willing to travel outside of that area to play around the state. That's why you don't see NKY, CKY, WKY, and Louisville schools playing too many of those teams.