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11-30-2009, 09:47 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Data? What data?I've just quit arguing politics. Nobody changes and everybody gets mad. It's a no win. You all vote how you want and I'll do the same. I came to BGR to make friends and talk sports, politics doesn't allow that.
Notice how quiet those who have previously insisted that man-made global warming is settled science have grown on this forum? You know, the ones who attempted to paint skeptics as Luddites.
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11-30-2009, 10:40 PM
TheRealVille Wrote:I've just quit arguing politics. Nobody changes and everybody gets mad. It's a no win. You all vote how you want and I'll do the same. I came to BGR to make friends and talk sports, politics doesn't allow that.
" I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." - Thomas Jefferson
Stick around, Realville. Your opinion is as valuable as any on this forum.
11-30-2009, 10:46 PM
TheRealVille Wrote:I've just quit arguing politics. Nobody changes and everybody gets mad. It's a no win. You all vote how you want and I'll do the same. I came to BGR to make friends and talk sports, politics doesn't allow that.My post was not directed at you, Realville. Your posts on global warming have often been wrong, IMO, but never insulting. In fact, I very much enjoyed the discussion with you on the "Coal support" thread.
Reasonable people can and do disagree without being disagreeable. My comments were directed at a few people who refuse to debate this issue reasonably.
If nothing else, the recent hacking of the Hadley Climate Center servers and the subsequent revelation that Hadley scientists have destroyed raw data needed to replicate their studies and conspired to shield records from Freedom of Information requests should at the very least end the silly argument that man-made global warming is "settled science."
11-30-2009, 10:59 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:My post was not directed at you, Realville. Your posts on global warming have often been wrong, IMO, but never insulting. In fact, I very much enjoyed the discussion with you on the "Coal support" thread.
Reasonable people can and do disagree without being disagreeable. My comments were directed at a few people who refuse to debate this issue reasonably.
If nothing else, the recent hacking of the Hadley Climate Center servers and the subsequent revelation that Hadley scientists have destroyed raw data needed to replicate their studies and conspired to shield records from Freedom of Information requests should at the very least end the silly argument that man-made global warming is "settled science."
Excellent post ! Here's some :popcorn: to share with Realville. :biggrin: Or :beer: if you prefer. :eyeroll:
12-01-2009, 12:28 PM
Is it your guys argument that the weight of scientific evidence has now shifted, is no longer building, and is now in contradiction with the man-caused global warming phenomenon? Is that what you're suggesting, over and over and over again?
12-01-2009, 11:15 PM
I wonder if these two clowns will still be delivering their scheduled speeches in Copenhagen later this month. The time for an international criminal investigation into this hoax is long over due.
[INDENT]Climate scientist at center of e-mail controversy to step down
A scientist who is one of the central figures in the controversy over hacked e-mails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit announced Tuesday that he is stepping down while the university investigates the incident.
Climate skeptics have seized on several e-mails from Phil Jones, director of the university's Climatic Research Unit, to other researchers as evidence that prominent scientists have sought to silence their voice in the debate over global warming. The e-mails were pirated and posted online last month. [/INDENT]
[INDENT]Penn State Will Investigate 'Climategate'
Among other things, the Watergate scandal of the 1970s gave us a great naming convention for future scandals. Take "Climategate" at Penn State. That's what people are calling the controversy surrounding leaked E-mails among climate change researchers that climate change opponents say expose the researchers' falsification of data. One Penn State professor is involved in the scandal.
The Penn State administration plans to investigate Climategate and determine if it needs to take further action, the Daily Collegian reports. A little more than a week ago, E-mails exchanged among an English university's climate change researchers were illegally obtained from a server and posted online, the report says.
Climate change opponents say the E-mails indicate that climate change researchersâincluding Penn State Prof. Michael Mannâexaggerated or fabricated global warming data. And, according to the report, some E-mails indicate that the director of the research unit in question may have contacted researchers and asked them to "delete certain E-mails."[/INDENT]
[INDENT]Climate scientist at center of e-mail controversy to step down
A scientist who is one of the central figures in the controversy over hacked e-mails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit announced Tuesday that he is stepping down while the university investigates the incident.
Climate skeptics have seized on several e-mails from Phil Jones, director of the university's Climatic Research Unit, to other researchers as evidence that prominent scientists have sought to silence their voice in the debate over global warming. The e-mails were pirated and posted online last month. [/INDENT]
[INDENT]Penn State Will Investigate 'Climategate'
Among other things, the Watergate scandal of the 1970s gave us a great naming convention for future scandals. Take "Climategate" at Penn State. That's what people are calling the controversy surrounding leaked E-mails among climate change researchers that climate change opponents say expose the researchers' falsification of data. One Penn State professor is involved in the scandal.
The Penn State administration plans to investigate Climategate and determine if it needs to take further action, the Daily Collegian reports. A little more than a week ago, E-mails exchanged among an English university's climate change researchers were illegally obtained from a server and posted online, the report says.
Climate change opponents say the E-mails indicate that climate change researchersâincluding Penn State Prof. Michael Mannâexaggerated or fabricated global warming data. And, according to the report, some E-mails indicate that the director of the research unit in question may have contacted researchers and asked them to "delete certain E-mails."[/INDENT]
12-02-2009, 02:51 PM
"All the cars are doing is spewing out life sustaining stuff for trees."
True or false: oxygen is a wonderful, life giving, life sustaining thing. However, too much of it in the system can kill a human being. Human beings exist upon a delicate balance of chemicals, of elements within and without the body.
Hoot?
True or false: oxygen is a wonderful, life giving, life sustaining thing. However, too much of it in the system can kill a human being. Human beings exist upon a delicate balance of chemicals, of elements within and without the body.
Hoot?
12-02-2009, 09:33 PM
thecavemaster Wrote:"All the cars are doing is spewing out life sustaining stuff for trees."Sorry, I am not going off on a tangent with you today. If you want more information about the lack of integrity and failure to respect well established scientific procedures and professional courtesy at the Hadley Climate Center, then I will be glad to enlighten you further. "Value-added data," including bogus hockey stick graphs are worthless unless the raw data is made available for review.
True or false: oxygen is a wonderful, life giving, life sustaining thing. However, too much of it in the system can kill a human being. Human beings exist upon a delicate balance of chemicals, of elements within and without the body.
Hoot?
Phil Jones and Michael Mann are not just any climate scientists, they were considered among the foremost authorities on global warming on the planet. Had they not been exposed as frauds, they would have been lecturing world leaders to scare up a few more billion dollars in funding for the man-made global warming hoax.
12-02-2009, 11:27 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Sorry, I am not going off on a tangent with you today. If you want more information about the lack of integrity and failure to respect well established scientific procedures and professional courtesy at the Hadley Climate Center, then I will be glad to enlighten you further. "Value-added data," including bogus hockey stick graphs are worthless unless the raw data is made available for review.
Phil Jones and Michael Mann are not just any climate scientists, they were considered among the foremost authorities on global warming on the planet. Had they not been exposed as frauds, they would have been lecturing world leaders to scare up a few more billion dollars in funding for the man-made global warming hoax.
Great Post! :Thumbs:
12-03-2009, 09:10 AM
EVEN JOHN STEWART JOINS IN ON THE FUN
This one just for Batman.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wt0ZaXu_CA"]YouTube- John Stewart Jokes About Global Warming Fraud[/ame]
This one just for Batman.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wt0ZaXu_CA"]YouTube- John Stewart Jokes About Global Warming Fraud[/ame]
12-03-2009, 09:47 AM
Note that skeptical bloggers have found blunders in the data collection process in the past at NASA. Now the agency is apparently trying to run the clock out to allow the governments of the world to pass enormous tax hikes and assume even more power over their subjects. (Subjects seems to be a more fitting description than citizens in the new world order.)
Researcher: NASA hiding climate data
The fight over global warming science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding release of the same kind of climate data that has landed a leading British center in hot water over charges it skewed its data.
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.
"I assume that what is there is highly damaging," Mr. Horner said. "These guys are quite clearly bound and determined not to reveal their internal discussions about this."
The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed that data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for first, with 1934 slightly cooler. The fight over global warming science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding release of the same kind of climate data that has landed a leading British center in hot water over charges it skewed its data.
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.
"I assume that what is there is highly damaging," Mr. Horner said. "These guys are quite clearly bound and determined not to reveal their internal discussions about this."
The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed that data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for first, with 1934 slightly cooler. (emphasis added)
Researcher: NASA hiding climate data
The fight over global warming science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding release of the same kind of climate data that has landed a leading British center in hot water over charges it skewed its data.
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.
"I assume that what is there is highly damaging," Mr. Horner said. "These guys are quite clearly bound and determined not to reveal their internal discussions about this."
The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed that data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for first, with 1934 slightly cooler. The fight over global warming science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding release of the same kind of climate data that has landed a leading British center in hot water over charges it skewed its data.
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.
"I assume that what is there is highly damaging," Mr. Horner said. "These guys are quite clearly bound and determined not to reveal their internal discussions about this."
The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed that data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for first, with 1934 slightly cooler. (emphasis added)
12-03-2009, 09:49 AM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:EVEN JOHN STEWART JOINS IN ON THE FUN:Thumbs: Great find. An honest socialist with a sense of shame,,,very rare.
This one just for Batman.
12-03-2009, 09:56 AM
Hoot Gibson Wrote::Thumbs: Great find. An honest socialist with a sense of shame,,,very rare.
The funny part is that Him and Gore are supposed to be buddies. Or should I say were. lol
12-03-2009, 10:00 AM
That's alright though, Big Al still has friends in this world. He still has batman as his biggest supporter and confidant......:Cheerlead
Cant you just see Big Al and cavemaster fightin temperature crime side by side, cleaning up this world together, for you and me.
alute:
I hear Alice's Restaraunt playin in my mind every time I imagine those two together out savin' the world. Talk about the Dynamic Duo.
irateShoirateSho
Cant you just see Big Al and cavemaster fightin temperature crime side by side, cleaning up this world together, for you and me.
alute:I hear Alice's Restaraunt playin in my mind every time I imagine those two together out savin' the world. Talk about the Dynamic Duo.
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12-03-2009, 10:48 AM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Note that skeptical bloggers have found blunders in the data collection process in the past at NASA. Now the agency is apparently trying to run the clock out to allow the governments of the world to pass enormous tax hikes and assume even more power over their subjects. (Subjects seems to be a more fitting description than citizens in the new world order.)
Researcher: NASA hiding climate data
The fight over global warming science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding release of the same kind of climate data that has landed a leading British center in hot water over charges it skewed its data.
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.
"I assume that what is there is highly damaging," Mr. Horner said. "These guys are quite clearly bound and determined not to reveal their internal discussions about this."
The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed that data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for first, with 1934 slightly cooler. The fight over global warming science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding release of the same kind of climate data that has landed a leading British center in hot water over charges it skewed its data.
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.
"I assume that what is there is highly damaging," Mr. Horner said. "These guys are quite clearly bound and determined not to reveal their internal discussions about this."
The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed that data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for first, with 1934 slightly cooler. (emphasis added)
:Thumbs:
12-03-2009, 06:15 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:That's alright though, Big Al still has friends in this world. He still has batman as his biggest supporter and confidant......:Cheerlead
Cant you just see Big Al and cavemaster fightin temperature crime side by side, cleaning up this world together, for you and me.
I hear Alice's Restaraunt playin in my mind every time I imagine those two together out savin' the world. Talk about the Dynamic Duo.
I am guessing, then, you and yours do not think that the burning, burning, burning of fossil fuels has any impact on global climate. Here is my guess: the same Creative Genius that made the stars, made the rain forest, orchestrated the delicate balance that is this earth. Raze a rain forest for a roll of paper towels? Spew smoke into the atmosphere for a few centuries? My guess is the arteries will clog, the blood pressure will rise, the bad cholesterol will clump up. "Goin' through life with blinders on, it's tough to see..." What a coincidence, Mr. Kimball, I'm thinking of you as well...
12-03-2009, 06:18 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Sorry, I am not going off on a tangent with you today. If you want more information about the lack of integrity and failure to respect well established scientific procedures and professional courtesy at the Hadley Climate Center, then I will be glad to enlighten you further. "Value-added data," including bogus hockey stick graphs are worthless unless the raw data is made available for review.
Phil Jones and Michael Mann are not just any climate scientists, they were considered among the foremost authorities on global warming on the planet. Had they not been exposed as frauds, they would have been lecturing world leaders to scare up a few more billion dollars in funding for the man-made global warming hoax.
The Hadley-Climate Center is not the be all/end all of the debate. I am asking again, Hoot: Is it your contention that human activity has nothing whatsoever to do with the climate on this planet? Just like eating Big Macs and gobbling down fries has nothing to do with rising levels of bad cholesterol and high blood pressure? If you think this "living ecosystem" analogy is a "tangent," we disagree.
12-03-2009, 06:21 PM
thecavemaster Wrote:I am guessing, then, you and yours do not think that the burning, burning, burning of fossil fuels has any impact on global climate. Here is my guess: the same Creative Genius that made the stars, made the rain forest, orchestrated the delicate balance that is this earth. Raze a rain forest for a roll of paper towels? Spew smoke into the atmosphere for a few centuries? My guess is the arteries will clog, the blood pressure will rise, the bad cholesterol will clump up. "Goin' through life with blinders on, it's tough to see..." What a coincidence, Mr. Kimball, I'm thinking of you as well...
....and infants die at birth for no reason, meteors hit the earth for no reason, blah, blah, blah :popcorn:
12-03-2009, 06:30 PM
Stardust Wrote:....and infants die at birth for no reason, meteors hit the earth for no reason, blah, blah, blah :popcorn:Infants dies at birth for no reason, most of the time beyond human control. Meteors hit the earth from time to time for no reason. Beyond human control. To you then, bitter friend: is it your contention that human activity has no impact on global climate whatsoever?
12-03-2009, 06:34 PM
thecavemaster Wrote:I am guessing, then, you and yours do not think that the burning, burning, burning of fossil fuels has any impact on global climate. Here is my guess: the same Creative Genius that made the stars, made the rain forest, orchestrated the delicate balance that is this earth. Raze a rain forest for a roll of paper towels? Spew smoke into the atmosphere for a few centuries? My guess is the arteries will clog, the blood pressure will rise, the bad cholesterol will clump up. "Goin' through life with blinders on, it's tough to see..." What a coincidence, Mr. Kimball, I'm thinking of you as well...
But then there is no scientific proof that it does that very thing , is there?
12-03-2009, 06:38 PM
thecavemaster Wrote:The Hadley-Climate Center is not the be all/end all of the debate. I am asking again, Hoot: Is it your contention that human activity has nothing whatsoever to do with the climate on this planet? Just like eating Big Macs and gobbling down fries has nothing to do with rising levels of bad cholesterol and high blood pressure? If you think this "living ecosystem" analogy is a "tangent," we disagree.
Very very poor comparisons on your part batman.
What does cholestrol and blood pressure have to do with global warming? I fail to see what you are trying to rationalize and illustrate? It's not making any sense. We are talking about global warming. I think you are trying to use one arguement to apply to another , and it's not adding up.
12-03-2009, 06:45 PM
Let me just ask you a question batman. What are your thoughts about the self admitted trickery and deception tactics used by these "reputable scientists" ?
12-03-2009, 07:12 PM
thecavemaster Wrote:Infants dies at birth for no reason, most of the time beyond human control. Meteors hit the earth from time to time for no reason. Beyond human control. To you then, :lmao:bitter friend: is it your contention that human activity has no impact on global climate whatsoever?
None that I've seen.....
12-03-2009, 07:14 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:Very very poor comparisons on your part batman.
What does cholestrol and blood pressure have to do with global warming? I fail to see what you are trying to rationalize and illustrate? It's not making any sense. We are talking about global warming. I think you are trying to use one arguement to apply to another , and it's not adding up.
C'mon Mr. K, our astute friend is trying to point out the ills of humankind and what we bring onto ourselves.......
12-03-2009, 09:18 PM
Here's a nice little song I'm sure everyone will enjoy.......well almost everyone. :biggrin:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk"]YouTube- Hide The Decline - Climategate[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk"]YouTube- Hide The Decline - Climategate[/ame]
12-03-2009, 09:28 PM
thecavemaster Wrote:The Hadley-Climate Center is not the be all/end all of the debate. I am asking again, Hoot: Is it your contention that human activity has nothing whatsoever to do with the climate on this planet? Just like eating Big Macs and gobbling down fries has nothing to do with rising levels of bad cholesterol and high blood pressure? If you think this "living ecosystem" analogy is a "tangent," we disagree.Because of my frequent use of the very unambiguous phrase "global warming hoax," I assumed that your question was rhetorical...and to think I was worried about overusing that phrase! :HitWall:
Let me be clear, (using a favorite meaningless Obama phrase to focus your attention on my answer), any impact that mankind's production of CO2 on our climate is so small as to be inconsequential. Our species does not have the technology to produce enough CO2 to make any serious impact on the global climate without bankrupting every man, woman, and child on this planet - even if that was our objective.
The global warming hoax is nothing but a vehicle to help deliver socialism to the inhabitants of our world who still enjoy a measure of freedom.
Does that answer the question for you? Just say no to the global warming hoax.
12-03-2009, 10:17 PM
Al Gore has canceled his meet and greet where over 3,000 people paid $1,200 each for the chance to have their photo taken with him. Climategate costing Gore over $3.5 Million dollars........priceless. :lmao:
12-04-2009, 12:59 PM
Old School Wrote:Here's a nice little song I'm sure everyone will enjoy.......well almost everyone. :biggrin:
LOL - loved it
12-04-2009, 01:00 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Because of my frequent use of the very unambiguous phrase "global warming hoax," I assumed that your question was rhetorical...and to think I was worried about overusing that phrase! :HitWall:
Let me be clear, (using a favorite meaningless Obama phrase to focus your attention on my answer), any impact that mankind's production of CO2 on our climate is so small as to be inconsequential. Our species does not have the technology to produce enough CO2 to make any serious impact on the global climate without bankrupting every man, woman, and child on this planet - even if that was our objective.
The global warming hoax is nothing but a vehicle to help deliver socialism to the inhabitants of our world who still enjoy a measure of freedom.
Does that answer the question for you? Just say no to the global warming hoax.
Good post my friend:rockon:
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