[Mr.Kimball]

Oh well. Brush your teeth. A typical Republican, I didn't expect anything else. They make you sick because without us you could pay Mexico and China style wages.

If I am not mistaken , congressman has stated that he is not a republican.

Ever try to figure out why we're importing everything we buy from Mexico and China now?

[TheRealVille]

If I am not mistaken , congressman has stated that he is not a republican.

Ever try to figure out why we're importing everything we buy from Mexico and China now?

Yea Bush came up with Nafta and Clinton signed it. That's Mexico and Canada though. I buy American when possible. Are you insinuating that unions cause us to buy from China?

BTW, every vehicle I own is American, what's yours?

[Mr.Kimball]

Yea Bush came up with Nafta and Clinton signed it. That's Mexico and Canada though. I buy American when possible.

Dont it seem strange to you how we can ship raw materials half way around the world to China, then they can manufacture a product with those materials, then ship that finished product half way back around the world and then sell it for half the price that we can ship it 1/4 mile from a plant to a store here in the US? Reckon something is out of wack here?


Good luck in finding a US made product.

[Mr.Kimball]

Yea Bush came up with Nafta and Clinton signed it. That's Mexico and Canada though. I buy American when possible. Are you insinuating that unions cause us to buy from China?

BTW, every vehicle I own is American, what's yours?

I am insinuating something is out of whack, and yes I am saying that is partly the problem. There are more variables than that, but yes again, unions have helped put themselves out of jobs.

I drive a Ford Pickup. My wife drives a Chevrolet and my two sons drive GMC pickups.

I have owned two foreign cars in my entire life, and I'm 52 years old. Both got 50 MPH.

[TheRealVille]

I drive a Ford Pickup. My wife drives a Chevrolet and my two sons drive GMC pickups.

At least you are trying to do your part, I'm impressed.:Thumbs:


BTW, my next new truck, when I'm ready to get another, will be a Ford. They didn't take any money.

[TheRealVille]

I am insinuating something is out of whack, and yes I am saying that is partly the problem. There are more variables than that, but yes again, unions have helped put themselves out of jobs.

I can agree with this. Some of the unions do more harm to themselves than help. Yes there are tons of variables, and I put tons of blame on our government, both sides. If my union stops providing me work, I'm not married to it.

[Hoot Gibson]

I can agree with this. Some of the unions do more harm to themselves than help. Yes there are tons of variables, and I put tons of blame on our government, both sides. If my union stops providing me work, I'm not married to it.

Unions do not provide anybody with work except the politicians supported by their members' dues.

[Mr.Kimball]

I can agree with this. Some of the unions do more harm to themselves than help. Yes there are tons of variables, and I put tons of blame on our government, both sides. If my union stops providing me work, I'm not married to it.

I think a huge blame can be placed on American companies and stock holder short sighted goals too. Everything revolves around what quarter results are. The long haul is never considered.

[TheRealVille]

Unions do not provide anybody with work except the politicians supported by their members' dues.

Hmmm, I'm in my 20th year of steady union work.

BTW, I don't fault people not being union when given the chance. It's a personal choice.

[Hoot Gibson]

Hmmm, I'm in my 20th year of steady union work.

BTW, I don't fault people not being union when given the chance. It's a personal choice.

How many of your checks have been signed by a union boss? Unions do not create jobs and they do not protect jobs. In the best case, a union can negotiate a good contract with an employer but without the employer's money to create jobs, you've got squat.

[TheRealVille]

How many of your checks have been signed by a union boss? Unions do not create jobs and they do not protect jobs. In the best case, a union can negotiate a good contract with an employer but without the employer's money to create jobs, you've got squat.

But, all the employers I work for hire union people. If I weren't union, I couldn't work for them. They won't hire non union. The plant I work at now only hires union employees, construction and the plant people.

[Matman]

At least you are trying to do your part, I'm impressed.:Thumbs:


BTW, my next new truck, when I'm ready to get another, will be a Ford. They didn't take any money.

I think this attitude is what our country really needs. Bring back the buy American slogan. Let manufactures and big box stores such as Walmart know we are willing to pay a couple dollars more (not alot more.lol.) for American made merchandise. I too went out and bought two Chevies recently. I was sad to see alot of vehicles were assembled in Mexico though.

[Hoot Gibson]

But, all the employers I work for hire union people. If I weren't union, I couldn't work for them. They won't hire non union. The plant I work at now only hires union employees, construction and the plant people.

I understand what you are saying. My point is that if the union did not exist, those jobs would still need to be filled. Unions do not create jobs but when union bosses support bad government policies like open borders and card check legislation, the can help destroy both union jobs and non-union jobs.

Unlike a growing number of Americans, I do not blame unions for causing the migration of manufacturing jobs to places like China and Mexico, I blame politicians. Both Republicans and Democrats have supported legislation that has shrunk the American labor market but in too many cases, union bosses have endorsed Democratic candidates who support policies that are self-destructive for American workers.

It just amazes me that union members in sectors like manufacturing and construction continue to support corrupt union leaders who endorse policies that are destroying union jobs while clinging to the belief that the Republican Party is solely responsible for the shrinking number of American jobs filled with union labor.

[Hoot Gibson]

At least you are trying to do your part, I'm impressed.:Thumbs:


BTW, my next new truck, when I'm ready to get another, will be a Ford. They didn't take any money.

:Thumbs: I quit buying new cars years ago and I have never owned a foreign made car but as long as the federal claws are buried in the carcasses of GM and Chrysler, I will buy used Fords in the future. I also will not rule out buying a used Toyota or Nissan as long as it rolled off of an American assembly line. I will never buy a Government Motors car.

[TheRealVille]

:Thumbs: I quit buying new cars years ago and I have never owned a foreign made car but as long as the federal claws are buried in the carcasses of GM and Chrysler, I will buy used Fords in the future. I also will not rule out buying a used Toyota or Nissan as long as it rolled off of an American assembly line. I will never buy a Government Motors car.

:Thumbs:

[Old School]

I understand what you are saying. My point is that if the union did not exist, those jobs would still need to be filled. Unions do not create jobs but when union bosses support bad government policies like open borders and card check legislation, the can help destroy both union jobs and non-union jobs.

Unlike a growing number of Americans, I do not blame unions for causing the migration of manufacturing jobs to places like China and Mexico, I blame politicians. Both Republicans and Democrats have supported legislation that has shrunk the American labor market but in too many cases, union bosses have endorsed Democratic candidates who support policies that are self-destructive for American workers.

It just amazes me that union members in sectors like manufacturing and construction continue to support corrupt union leaders who endorse policies that are destroying union jobs while clinging to the belief that the Republican Party is solely responsible for the shrinking number of American jobs filled with union labor.

When labor unions were originally formed they were formed with the workers best interest in mind, but they have driffted away from their original intent. IMO the unions especially the UMWA's downfall was their own fault, most unions have become to big and powerfull, once that happens they become greedy and lose sight of their purpose.

:Thumbs: I quit buying new cars years ago and I have never owned a foreign made car but as long as the federal claws are buried in the carcasses of GM and Chrysler, I will buy used Fords in the future. I also will not rule out buying a used Toyota or Nissan as long as it rolled off of an American assembly line. I will never buy a Government Motors car.

The last 2 trucks I bought were Toyota's both assembled in the U.S. with the first having over 330,000 miles without any major repairs. With the good service I bought the second one which now has over 200,000. I look at it like this, GM is now owned by the U.S. Government, which is basically owned by Chinia, which to me makes GM a foreign owned company.

[Old School]

I vote my job, I vote Democrat. Republicans hate unions, and try to pass legislation to kill them.

Republicans hate unions....really? I'll ask a few of my relatives, who retired form union jobs and happen to vote mainly for republican candidates.

[Mr.Kimball]

When labor unions were originally formed they were formed with the workers best interest in mind, but they have driffted away from their original intent. IMO the unions especially the UMWA's downfall was their own fault, most unions have become to big and powerfull, once that happens they become greedy and lose sight of their purpose.



The last 2 trucks I bought were Toyota's both assembled in the U.S. with the first having over 330,000 miles without any major repairs. With the good service I bought the second one which now has over 200,000. I look at it like this, GM is now owned by the U.S. Government, which is basically owned by Chinia, which to me makes GM a foreign owned company.

In the days of John L. Lewis there was definately a purpose, but now that purpose is upheld by the federal governmnent.

You can also throw the UAW, USW, and the Teamsters in that statement as well.

[TheRealVille]

Republicans hate unions....really? I'll ask a few of my relatives, who retired form union jobs and happen to vote mainly for republican candidates.

Check it out on the national(Washington) scale. They pass legislation all the time to hurt unions.

[Old School]

In the days of John L. Lewis there was definately a purpose, but now that purpose is upheld by the federal governmnent.

You can also throw the UAW, USW, and the Teamsters in that statement as well.

I'm curious to see how the UAW and the government will settle their disputes and negotiate their next contract. I'm sure the unions will come out smeling like a rose and the tax payers will be crapped on once again.

[Hoot Gibson]

Check it out on the national(Washington) scale. They pass legislation all the time to hurt unions.

Republicans have had control of Congress relatively infrequently. Even if they wanted to bust all of the unions, they have not been in power often enough with a Republican President to have done much damage.

Ronald Reagan was supported by large numbers of union members and he never had the benefit of a Republican-controlled House or Senate. Republicans went 40 years without controlling the House of Representatives and when they finally did take control in 1994, Democrat Bill Clinton was president.

Blaming Republicans for the decline of unions in this country may make a nice Democratic talking point but the truth is Democrats have been in position to protect unions for much longer stretches of time than Republicans have been in power to undermine them. Arguing that Republicans are enemies of unions when so much damage has been done to them under Democratic leadership is ridiculous. It is almost as silly as living in the nations most crime-infested, poverty stricken cities in this country, voting for liberal Democrats year after year and then blaming Republicans because you live in a crime-infested, poverty stricken city.

The heavy damage has been done by liberal Democrats endorsed by corrupt union bosses. How does illegal immigration help rank and file union members? What will cap and trade legislation do to union jobs? Do you think that government run healthcare is going to result in better benefits for union members?

[Hoot Gibson]

I'm curious to see how the UAW and the government will settle their disputes and negotiate their next contract. I'm sure the unions will come out smeling like a rose and the tax payers will be crapped on once again.

:Thumbs: Politicians deal with unions like they deal with every other problem. They will throw more money to the union workers to ensure that there are no strikes.

Allowing government employees to form unions and then allowing politicians to negotiate effectively with their constituents on behalf of taxpayers is an obvious conflict of interest. That is why federal employee's enjoy much better pay and benefits than employees in the private sector do. The threat of job losses is management's equivalent of labor's threat of strikes. Take either threat off the table and you might as well allow one of the parties to brandish firearms during the contract negotiations.

[bad hop]

Realville, you say that AEP is guilty of FLAGRANT EMISSIONS VIOLATIONS. In reality you are at least impling that government agencies such as EPA and others are not doing their job. In reading alot of your posts on here you almost always give the impression that government can do things better. But if government can not keep a powerplant in Louisa in line, CAN THEY HAVE ANY HOPE OF RUNNING HEALTHCARE???

[bad hop]

1. I also bought the first Ford I have owned in years. No GOVERNMENT MOTORS for me.
2. Hasn't the government taken over the things that unions have always fought for. Safty-OHSA, MHSA and others. Wages- minimum wage, overtime pay, H---, there is an entire department of labor.
3. But back to the original post why are people so closed minded to changing parties based on issues and I mean any party.
4. I changed registration last week so I could support a senate candidate next year. I have changed parties at least 5 times in the past 20 years.
5. WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE IN WRITE SOMEONE--CONGRESS, SENATE, GOVERNOR ANYBODY.
6. And last but not least, Whatever it is be informed.

[TheRealVille]

Realville, you say that AEP is guilty of FLAGRANT EMISSIONS VIOLATIONS. In reality you are at least impling that government agencies such as EPA and others are not doing their job. In reading alot of your posts on here you almost always give the impression that government can do things better. But if government can not keep a powerplant in Louisa in line, CAN THEY HAVE ANY HOPE OF RUNNING HEALTHCARE???

The government(EPA) places fines on AEP Louisa, but AEP says they can pay the fines instead of building the scrubbers and SCR's(emissions cleaning units)and still come out ahead money wise. This is the type of flagrancy that causes the environmentalist types to go nuts and start attacking the things that will eventually be their(AEP) downfall. If all the coal powerplants would put those units on and clean up the emissions coming out of their stacks, maybe this attack on coal wouldn't be going on so strong right now.

[Old School]

1. I also bought the first Ford I have owned in years. No GOVERNMENT MOTORS for me.
2. Hasn't the government taken over the things that unions have always fought for. Safty-OHSA, MHSA and others. Wages- minimum wage, overtime pay, H---, there is an entire department of labor.
3. But back to the original post why are people so closed minded to changing parties based on issues and I mean any party.
4. I changed registration last week so I could support a senate candidate next year. I have changed parties at least 5 times in the past 20 years.
5. WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE IN WRITE SOMEONE--CONGRESS, SENATE, GOVERNOR ANYBODY.
6. And last but not least, Whatever it is be informed.

I look at local, state and national elections differently, since the local offices basically manage the city and county issues, I try to vote for whomever I think is best for the job regardless of party affiliation. State elections are a little bit different, I still try to vote for the best person for the job, but I have to consider their personal views on policies. On the national level, as we see in today's politcal scene where policies are being made that I do not agree with and because I'm a conservative I want to vote for the person who I think will do their best to uphold my principles, and so far I've not seen anyone from another party that does that.

[Hoot Gibson]

I look at local, state and national elections differently, since the local offices basically manage the city and county issues, I try to vote for whomever I think is best for the job regardless of party affiliation. State elections are a little bit different, I still try to vote for the best person for the job, but I have to consider their personal views on policies. On the national level, as we see in today's politcal scene where policies are being made that I do not agree with and because I'm a conservative I want to vote for the person who I think will do their best to uphold my principles, and so far I've not seen anyone from another party that does that.

:Thumbs: The single most important issue in House and Senate races is which party will control the legislative agenda. Those of us who are conservatives would be fools to cast a vote that will help Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid to enact their socialist agendas. As long as there are real differences in the two major parties agendas, I will never vote for a Democrat in a national election again. Like you, I take a different approach to local and state elections.