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06-07-2009, 12:13 PM
Is is possible to favor Roe vs. Wade AND be a Christian?
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06-07-2009, 01:39 PM
thecavemaster Wrote:Is is possible to favor Roe vs. Wade AND be a Christian?
Why dont you make a thread to discuss something else????????? You know that all god fearing people, will say its not possible, because you can not condone murder, you will give the same ole b.s that you always do, and it will come back to one opinion vs the other opinion, YOU AND YOUR THREADS ARE GETTING BOREING, JMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06-07-2009, 02:57 PM
No, I don't believe so
06-07-2009, 04:28 PM
jetpilot Wrote:Please provide a link which will take me directly to info to support your claim that "most pregnancies are ended medically as a result of some sort of concern about mother or fetus."
Still waiting...
:lmao: He is still searching, he assumed, without proof, CIRCULAR LOGIC!!!!!!!
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06-07-2009, 04:44 PM
lil dog Wrote:Why dont you make a thread to discuss something else????????? You know that all god fearing people, will say its not possible, because you can not condone murder, you will give the same ole b.s that you always do, and it will come back to one opinion vs the other opinion, YOU AND YOUR THREADS ARE GETTING BOREING, JMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then how can we condone war?
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06-07-2009, 04:45 PM
And let's keep the thread on topic. If there is an unresolved issue from another thread, feel free to discuss it in that thread or via PM's.
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06-07-2009, 08:00 PM
Comfort Eagle Wrote:Then how can we condone war?
Good point!! I myself am not a christian, nor do I profess to be, I was raised in the church, and was taught about god. I will say I do not condone, murder of any sort........having said that I myself think abortion, is a murder of convenience, it is a way for someone to get out of the responsibility of their actions jmo. As for war, I think if your in that situation,it is kill or be killed, and I could only hope that God in his infinite mercy and grace would forgive me, I think he will also forgive those who have abortions, he is no respector of persons!! C.E I dont have all the answers no have I said that I do, I only know that some day we will see who is right or wrong, and I may not be,I can only hope that I am......
06-07-2009, 08:11 PM
very good post lil dog
06-08-2009, 01:02 AM
If you don't vote with religion in your mind yes. but if you do no
06-08-2009, 05:47 AM
lil dog Wrote:Good point!! I myself am not a christian, nor do I profess to be, I was raised in the church, and was taught about god. I will say I do not condone, murder of any sort........having said that I myself think abortion, is a murder of convenience, it is a way for someone to get out of the responsibility of their actions jmo. As for war, I think if your in that situation,it is kill or be killed, and I could only hope that God in his infinite mercy and grace would forgive me, I think he will also forgive those who have abortions, he is no respector of persons!! C.E I dont have all the answers no have I said that I do, I only know that some day we will see who is right or wrong, and I may not be,I can only hope that I am......Sorry lil dog I meant to reply to CE about the difference between war and abortion but I accidentaly replied to your post instead. So CE here goes: Defending ones family and land from people who want to take them from you is not murder. Right before Judas betrayed him, JESUS ordered his apostles to sell their garments and buy swords. He knew that people who didnt believe would hate them and would seek to destroy them for what they stood for(not much has changed) and he wanted them to be able to defend themselves. Abortion on the other hand and in most cases is just a woman who made a mistake and an innocent child has to suffer the consequenses. Theres a HUGE difference.
06-08-2009, 10:57 AM
HAIL PIKEVILLE! Wrote:Sorry lil dog I meant to reply to CE about the difference between war and abortion but I accidentaly replied to your post instead. So CE here goes: Defending ones family and land from people who want to take them from you is not murder. Right before Judas betrayed him, JESUS ordered his apostles to sell their garments and buy swords. He knew that people who didnt believe would hate them and would seek to destroy them for what they stood for(not much has changed) and he wanted them to be able to defend themselves. Abortion on the other hand and in most cases is just a woman who made a mistake and an innocent child has to suffer the consequenses. Theres a HUGE difference.
No problem. Great post....:Thumbs:
06-08-2009, 02:39 PM
John Dear, for instance, is a Jesuit priest who is a peace activist, who believes that all "just war" theories are bunk, who believes it is the follower of Christ's spiritual obligation to resist war and to actively work for peace and justice. Isn't it true one can take the Gospels, the words of jesus, and end up theologically exactly where Mr. Dear does?
06-08-2009, 08:18 PM
the cave master Wrote:John Dear, for instance, is a Jesuit priest who is a peace activist, who believes that all "just war" theories are bunk, who believes it is the follower of Christ's spiritual obligation to resist war and to actively work for peace and justice. Isn't it true one can take the Gospels, the words of jesus, and end up theologically exactly where Mr. Dear does?
Was John Dear, one of the plowshare eight, and the John Dear, that has been arrested numerous times??????????
06-08-2009, 08:20 PM
lil dog Wrote:Was John Dear, one of the plowshare eight, and the John Dear, that has been arrested numerous times??????????I hear he makes good lawn mowers as well LOL!
06-08-2009, 08:31 PM
lil dog Wrote:Was John Dear, one of the plowshare eight, and the John Dear, that has been arrested numerous times??????????
Turning over the money changing table was illegal.... Marching against Jim Crow laws was illegal... What's your point? Yes, John Dear has been arrested. Yes, John Deere is a farm implement company.
06-08-2009, 10:06 PM
the cave master Wrote:Turning over the money changing table was illegal.... Marching against Jim Crow laws was illegal... What's your point? Yes, John Dear has been arrested. Yes, John Deere is a farm implement company.
I thought so, why so defensive, I only ask a question???? and to be more precise, he was arrested what 75 times, all in the name of christ and a nonviolent world, don't sound like he was striving to hard to be christ like, there is ways to be non violent and promote peace and let people know how you stand on issues.......without breaking the law and being arrested!!!!
06-08-2009, 10:20 PM
lil dog Wrote:I thought so, why so defensive, I only ask a question???? and to be more precise, he was arrested what 75 times, all in the name of christ and a nonviolent world, don't sound like he was striving to hard to be christ like, there is ways to be non violent and promote peace and let people know how you stand on issues.......without breaking the law and being arrested!!!!
Martin Luther King Jr. was arrested multiple, multiple times. What are you suggesting? Sometimes, to be arrested to point out the injustice of a law, is, in reality, showing the highest regard for the law (i.e. that it should be just). This is a paraphrase of what Martin Luther King Jr. said in "Letter from Birmingham Jail."
06-08-2009, 11:57 PM
[quote=the cave master]Martin Luther King Jr. was arrested multiple, multiple times. What are you suggesting? Sometimes, to be arrested to point out the injustice of a law, is, in reality, showing the highest regard for the law (i.e. that it should be just). This is a paraphrase of what Martin Luther King Jr. said in "Letter from Birmingham Jail."[/QUOTE
Are you suggesting that if a person fights for a cause,and they think that a law is unjust (i.e "sometimes to be arrested to point out the injustice of a law, is, in reality , showing the highest regard for the law") that its ok to break the law? isn't that what anti abortion radicals are doing? If in your eyes its ok for someone to break the law for a cause, then why isn't it ok for...... say someone to do the same against legalized abortion if they think its unjust???
Are you suggesting that if a person fights for a cause,and they think that a law is unjust (i.e "sometimes to be arrested to point out the injustice of a law, is, in reality , showing the highest regard for the law") that its ok to break the law? isn't that what anti abortion radicals are doing? If in your eyes its ok for someone to break the law for a cause, then why isn't it ok for...... say someone to do the same against legalized abortion if they think its unjust???
06-09-2009, 11:05 AM
lil dog Wrote:[quote=the cave master]Martin Luther King Jr. was arrested multiple, multiple times. What are you suggesting? Sometimes, to be arrested to point out the injustice of a law, is, in reality, showing the highest regard for the law (i.e. that it should be just). This is a paraphrase of what Martin Luther King Jr. said in "Letter from Birmingham Jail."[/QUOTE
Are you suggesting that if a person fights for a cause,and they think that a law is unjust (i.e "sometimes to be arrested to point out the injustice of a law, is, in reality , showing the highest regard for the law") that its ok to break the law? isn't that what anti abortion radicals are doing? If in your eyes its ok for someone to break the law for a cause, then why isn't it ok for...... say someone to do the same against legalized abortion if they think its unjust???
I know you're not saying it was justified protest that killed Dr. Tiller. Are you? Anti-abortion protesters have been arrested, of course. I believe in non-violent protest. I don't care for grown men yelling "baby killer" at an often already frightened young woman; however, if the person's "heart" is to point out injustice, if the method is non-violence, if the tactic includes respect for human dignity, friend or enemy alike, then I would say the spirit of the thing has Christian leanings.
06-09-2009, 12:12 PM
thecavemaster Wrote:[quote=lil dog]
I know you're not saying it was justified protest that killed Dr. Tiller. Are you? Anti-abortion protesters have been arrested, of course. I believe in non-violent protest. I don't care for grown men yelling "baby killer" at an often already frightened young woman; however, if the person's "heart" is to point out injustice, if the method is non-violence, if the tactic includes respect for human dignity, friend or enemy alike, then I would say the spirit of the thing has Christian leanings.
No I'm not saying that Dr. Tillers, death was justified protest, you should know my views on murder by now.. I will agree with the rest of your statement.........as long as the non violent protest, does not break the law or result in arrest!!!!!
06-09-2009, 01:12 PM
lil dog Wrote:[quote=thecavemaster]
No I'm not saying that Dr. Tillers, death was justified protest, you should know my views on murder by now.. I will agree with the rest of your statement.........as long as the non violent protest, does not break the law or result in arrest!!!!!
When the status quo (just or unjust) is challenged, the protester will go to jail. When one falls below the community standard, punishment (often jail). When one rises above the community standard, persecution (often jail). Rending unto god put someone you know into peril. As it was then, as it has been always, so it is today. Arrest is not the test.
06-09-2009, 03:30 PM
Given that America is not a Religious Theocracy I would think that would require all patriotic citizens to me Americans First and Christian Second.
In that theory I propose that since Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land we must accept the High Court Ruling and stop the violence against Patients and Physicians of abortion clinics.
Everyone has the right to peaceful protest but not many of the clinic protesters are playing inside the rules. Most of them walk the fine line and every now and again one steps over the line.
I also suggest that the anger fostered by these protests is the vehicle that convinces these vigilantes that it is ok to lay in wait and kill with a snipers bullet. Which is more cowardly than any act performed by any physician.
In that theory I propose that since Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land we must accept the High Court Ruling and stop the violence against Patients and Physicians of abortion clinics.
Everyone has the right to peaceful protest but not many of the clinic protesters are playing inside the rules. Most of them walk the fine line and every now and again one steps over the line.
I also suggest that the anger fostered by these protests is the vehicle that convinces these vigilantes that it is ok to lay in wait and kill with a snipers bullet. Which is more cowardly than any act performed by any physician.
06-09-2009, 07:41 PM
DevilsWin Wrote:Given that America is not a Religious Theocracy I would think that would require all patriotic citizens to me Americans First and Christian Second.
In that theory I propose that since Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land we must accept the High Court Ruling and stop the violence against Patients and Physicians of abortion clinics.
Everyone has the right to peaceful protest but not many of the clinic protesters are playing inside the rules. Most of them walk the fine line and every now and again one steps over the line.
I also suggest that the anger fostered by these protests is the vehicle that convinces these vigilantes that it is ok to lay in wait and kill with a snipers bullet. Which is more cowardly than any act performed by any physician.
As usual your post is bass-ackwards.
It's Christian first, American second. And you are quick to worry about protesters that break the law and conveniently forget that Dr. Tiller was breaking the law on a daily basis, performing late-term abortions for no reason other than the "convenience" of the mother.
Why do you liberals worry so much about the rights of terrorists at Gitmo and the likes of 9th-month-abortion Tiller and don't care at all about the rights of a 9 month-old fetus (baby)???? It really is sickening.
06-09-2009, 10:26 PM
jetpilot Wrote:As usual your post is bass-ackwards.
It's Christian first, American second. And you are quick to worry about protesters that break the law and conveniently forget that Dr. Tiller was breaking the law on a daily basis, performing late-term abortions for no reason other than the "convenience" of the mother.
Why do you liberals worry so much about the rights of terrorists at Gitmo and the likes of 9th-month-abortion Tiller and don't care at all about the rights of a 9 month-old fetus (baby)???? It really is sickening.
GREAT POST JETPILOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!:Thumbs:
06-09-2009, 10:40 PM
Any man who impregnates a woman outside of wedlock, upon establishment of paternity via an in-womb DNA test, will be incarcerated for a period of at least eight months, but not to exceed nine and one half months. When men make the rules, women are prisoner to their choices. Were the playing field leveled...oh, watch the rules change.
06-10-2009, 01:11 AM
jetpilot Wrote:As usual your post is bass-ackwards.AMEN!!! We want innocent children protected and terrorists punished and WE are the ones who are the bad guys here!?!?!?
It's Christian first, American second. And you are quick to worry about protesters that break the law and conveniently forget that Dr. Tiller was breaking the law on a daily basis, performing late-term abortions for no reason other than the "convenience" of the mother.
Why do you liberals worry so much about the rights of terrorists at Gitmo and the likes of 9th-month-abortion Tiller and don't care at all about the rights of a 9 month-old fetus (baby)???? It really is sickening.
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