[BFritz]

I've said all along that if Obama does what he promised and turns things around and makes the country better, then I'm all for him.

However, how many people voted for him just because he was a minority or because he was a Democrat?

Case in point- they were interviewing college students (they looked college age) outside of the innauguration and they asked an African-American student male who looked in his late teens or early 20s, and he gave a very nice response about immigration. After that, they asked an African-American female about the same age, and she said "um......" started thinking for a few seconds and couldn't come up with anything, so the reporter quickly just moved on, and the next guy couldn't think of anything either, and finally, on a third student, a girl just basically repeated what the first male said.

So, back to the first question: how many people just refused to vote for a Republican and voted uneducated about the issues? How many people just saw Obama as a minority and saw it as minorities gaining power and voted for Obama while they were uneducated about the issues?

[thecavemaster]

Isn't this a little "sour grapes" when one gripes about the issues intelligence of people who voted for the "other guy"?

[Beetle01]

Im not all for him succeeding, his ideas and proposals go against the very foundation of this country.

[BFritz]

Isn't this a little "sour grapes" when one gripes about the issues intelligence of people who voted for the "other guy"?

I've said all along that I support him as our President and that I hope he can come through and follow through on his promises.

Funny how you accuse me of that instead of posting an informed response. That's another thing, how many people will use his race or political party as a bailout or reason to keep supporting him if he doesn't come through?

[Stardust]

Every President has waivered from their political stance one they have taken office. As President of the United States, I feel that we still need to support him as the leader. We have no choice now, he is the leader. However, we have the right to pursuade him to make "OUR" choices, and we are not doing our job as the "PEOPLE" if we idly sit back and let him and congress do things that are not in our interest. The challenge is that all of us have a play in what goes on. So, we who opposed him being elected have to voice our opinion to sway those who did elect him. Politics goes in the direction of what the people want. Sorry if sometimes that goes awry from what we may want as individuals.

Don't just sit back idly. Challenge your government. Challenge others to challnge the government. This is not President Obama's county, this is ours! Sitting back and disagreeing in not being part of the solution. Standing up and challenging is our right, and our job!

[Ring'Em Up]

Couldn't the same be said for all the, as you said, "uneducated" voters who placed their support with McCain? Or are we just to assume that GOP party-goers are cerebral superiors to Dems? Is that a genetic trait they're born with? Anyways, its a moot point, as there wasn't enough of them out there to win the vote. Einsteins or not. :p

And how in the **** could his race or party be a "bailout or reason" to keep supporting him. I would imagine those would, race especially, unfortunately be reasons for opponents to try and tear him down.

[BatCat11]

Im not all for him succeeding, his ideas and proposals go against the very foundation of this country.

I don't know how you can say you are not for him succeeding for if he does not succeed then all it does is hurt us. He is our new President so Give the man a chance and if you don't like it in 4 years vote for someone else.

[thecavemaster]

I've said all along that I support him as our President and that I hope he can come through and follow through on his promises.

Funny how you accuse me of that instead of posting an informed response. That's another thing, how many people will use his race or political party as a bailout or reason to keep supporting him if he doesn't come through?

I don't think I said that you wouldn't support him as President. You gave examples of people who didn't seem to be able to give voice to why they voted for Obama. Then you asked a general question based on that sample. What conclusion should have been drawn by a more informed observer?

[BFritz]

Couldn't the same be said for all the, as you said, "uneducated" voters who placed their support with McCain? Or are we just to assume that GOP party-goers are cerebral superiors to Dems? Is that a genetic trait they're born with? Anyways, its a moot point, as there wasn't enough of them out there to win the vote. Einsteins or not. :p

And how in the **** could his race or party be a "bailout or reason" to keep supporting him. I would imagine those would, race especially, unfortunately be reasons for opponents to try and tear him down.

By uneducated voters, I didn't mean uneducated people who vote- I mean voters who are uneducated about the issues or what he represents.

Because minorities keep supporting him even if he fails because they see Republicans as the enemy and a bailout excuse for all of their problems or the problems of the country.

[Brittany0121]

Im not all for him succeeding, his ideas and proposals go against the very foundation of this country.

So you want the state of the economy to continue to fall farther and farther, and the war in Iraq/Afghanistan to drag on for years upon years?

I have been a HUGE Barack supporter from day 1, and even if McCain had won, I would support him because I want our country to thrive and provide a promising future for our children. I wouldn't have to support every single thing that McCain said/did, but I would never say that I want our president to fail.

[DevilsWin]

By uneducated voters, I didn't mean uneducated people who vote- I mean voters who are uneducated about the issues or what he represents.

Because minorities keep supporting him even if he fails because they see Republicans as the enemy and a bailout excuse for all of their problems or the problems of the country.

So are you then saying that Republicans are better informed voters on the issues?

Republicans who listen to the poison on Rush/Hannity/Hate radio may feel better informed but they have all been duped! In the name of Radio and TV Ratings!

[Brittany0121]

By uneducated voters, I didn't mean uneducated people who vote- I mean voters who are uneducated about the issues or what he represents.

Because minorities keep supporting him even if he fails because they see Republicans as the enemy and a bailout excuse for all of their problems or the problems of the country.

There is always another side to that as well. I'm sure there were a large number of people who voted for John McCain simply because Barack Obama is black, and because of the silly rumors of his religion, and were uneducated on the issues at hand. I'm not saying that minorities didn't vote for Obama simply because he's black, etc., I'm just saying it happened on both sides.

[DevilsWin]

So you want the state of the economy to continue to fall farther and farther, and the war in Iraq/Afghanistan to drag on for years upon years?

I have been a HUGE Barack supporter from day 1, and even if McCain had won, I would support him because I want our country to thrive and provide a promising future for our children. I wouldn't have to support every single thing that McCain said/did, but I would never say that I want our president to fail.

Beetle doesn't want peace and happiness.

He wants a Christian version of the Taliban.:p

[DevilsWin]

Voting AGAINST someone because of the color of their skin it toally different than voting FOR someone because of the color of their skin.

[FBALL]

I saw the interview that BFritz brought up. He was right about the interview. I believe "umm" and "like" were the most used words in the answers that were given.

Now, I voted for Obama because I felt the country needs a radical change. The way the rest of the world sees us is very important. Good relations with these countries and solid policies at home are extremely important in trying times like these.

For those that think Obama represents ideals that go against the founding principals of this country. I say you couldn't find a candidate that represents the American ideals any more than an African American who fought against all odds and traditionally racially biased views. America was founded by mavericks and people who refused to be ruled by the opressive dictatorial goverments in Europe and around the world. I think this represents the American Ideal in the truest sense.

[Brittany0121]

Voting AGAINST someone because of the color of their skin it toally different than voting FOR someone because of the color of their skin.

I understand that, but I was just saying that his race influenced those on both sides.

And for those talking about the interviews on CNN, I have been very vocal about my views and beliefs to everyone who asked, but throw me on national TV spontaneously and ask me a question, and I will probably freeze up too.

[Matman]

Voting AGAINST someone because of the color of their skin it toally different than voting FOR someone because of the color of their skin.

I just don't agree with that. Racism is racism to me. I think the end of racism with be color blind. I do respect those who choose to celebrate their uniqueness however. Its just that i see the extremes of pride in ones race and ethnicity. I see people that want segregation everyday. Most of which are African American.

[DevilsWin]

I just don't agree with that. Racism is racism to me. I think the end of racism with be color blind. I do respect those who choose to celebrate their uniqueness however. Its just that i see the extremes of pride in ones race and ethnicity. I see people that want segregation everyday. Most of which are African American.

Where do these people dwell?

[RavenBoy]

I've said all along that I support him as our President and that I hope he can come through and follow through on his promises.

Funny how you accuse me of that instead of posting an informed response. That's another thing, how many people will use his race or political party as a bailout or reason to keep supporting him if he doesn't come through?

If he does good, its because he is black. If he does bad, its because Bush.

[TATE_64]

I didn't vote for him because of his Stance on several issues...... But I do hope he ends up being a good president.........

[FBALL]

Where do these people dwell?

They are pretty much everywhere. I have met many black people that are every bit as racist as many white people.

Hopefully though, most people from all races and colors have gotten over it.

[Matman]

Where do these people dwell?

Most of them come from Washington DC.

[DevilsWin]

They are pretty much everywhere. I have met many black people that are every bit as racist as many white people.

Hopefully though, most people from all races and colors have gotten over it.

What I was trying to get at FBall is on a personal level Matman appears to have some special insight that we need to understand.

All I'm asking him is where his experience is coming from.

I think I know the answer already. I just want to hear him say it in the public forum.

[DevilsWin]

Most of them come from Washington DC.

Where are they when you have these encounters?

[DevilsWin]

If he does good, its because he is black. If he does bad, its because Bush.

I think if he does good it will be because he worked hard, made good decisions and had support from both parties.

Obamas race had not impeded him or advanced him.

Everything he's gotten, he's earned.

While being whisked around the globe as a child he made something of himself.

He should be proud.

America should be proud that we have continued to make this a more perfect Union!

A nation where a man such Obama can rise above all the negativity and shock the world.

In a world full of biggots and haters and doubters he has prevailed.

They have lost and their kind is a dying breed.

Hate never wins. Only love prevails.

[BFritz]

I didn't vote for him because of his Stance on several issues...... But I do hope he ends up being a good president.........

I'm the exact same way, but then on the flip-side, he also seemed to change his positions on some things (like he started saying he would tax the rich heavily but then switched to saying that there wouldn't be any changes).

If he does good, its because he is black. If he does bad, its because Bush.

Exactly, or some variation of that, like "he did good because he followed through on his promises," which, maybe it would be because of that, but could just naturally turn.

So are you then saying that Republicans are better informed voters on the issues?

Republicans who listen to the poison on Rush/Hannity/Hate radio may feel better informed but they have all been duped! In the name of Radio and TV Ratings!

No, my only point was that many people voted for Obama just because he's like a hero to some African-Americans, or because he's democrat, or because they see Republcians as enemies, which there was a record number of voters in this election, which I doubt it was because of racist people trying to make sure Obama wasn't elected.

There is always another side to that as well. I'm sure there were a large number of people who voted for John McCain simply because Barack Obama is black, and because of the silly rumors of his religion, and were uneducated on the issues at hand. I'm not saying that minorities didn't vote for Obama simply because he's black, etc., I'm just saying it happened on both sides.

Doubt it was as many because, if you look at the demographics, white people are coming pretty close to being a minority, and I don't mean that it's all minorities who voted for him without knowing his politics, a lot of people just see Republicans as wealthy people who don't care about the general population.

[Matman]

Where are they when you have these encounters?

Haha. I think i already said they were extremist. Where do most etremist reside. Well DC but other than that. A maximum security prison. But remember 600,000 inmates are released every year. They don't loose these beliefs once they go home. Which is also why they are one of the top recruits for terrorist groups.

[DevilsWin]

Haha. I think i already said they were extremist. Where do most etremist reside. Well DC but other than that. A maximum security prison. But remember 600,000 inmates are released every year. They don't loose these beliefs once they go home. Which is also why they are one of the top recruits for terrorist groups.

You can't make generalizations about an entire race of people from what the worst of the worst are doing while caged like animals. The dynamic in the real world is not the same as in prison.
Animals caged behave differently than free range animals.

[DevilsWin]

I just don't agree with that. Racism is racism to me. I think the end of racism with be color blind. I do respect those who choose to celebrate their uniqueness however. Its just that i see the extremes of pride in ones race and ethnicity. I see people that want segregation everyday. Most of which are African American.

Segregation in prison is a means of survival. Strength in numbers.

[Matman]

You can't make generalizations about an entire race of people from what the worst of the worst are doing while caged like animals. The dynamic in the real world is not the same as in prison.
Animals caged behave differently than free range animals.

I do believe i did say they were the extremes. I know you were biting at the chomps to make this statement. But prisoners that come into prison do represent part of society. I never once said all or most i just stated that these people do exist. Another thing i never made the statement about one race, I just pointed out that many were African American. People seem to always relate segregation with white sepremist but thats not always the case.