[Lambert #1]

Never mind, I didn't realize you were from Ohio. Last time I looked this was a Kentucky Sports Forum. If you choose to play in Kentucky don't complain about our rules and our lame excuses for holding our children back when we think it is appropriate. If I'm guessing right you probably could get a full schedule of games on your side of the river. The offer still stands for you make a trip to the mountains. Our coach is Terry Howard and I think he is talking about holding a Bowl to open up the season. Our team is the Letcher County Cougars and if you can't work up a game with them maybe you can play MamaBear's team the New Harlan Patriots in our bowl.

[YOURTIGERBAIT]

Way to keep stiring the pot Lambert. The last time I looked it was a free country.And I have lived many a year in KY.So I think I can comment here if I choose.No we can't find any one that wants to play us over here.Trust me you don't want any of us in any sport or at any level.So please don't pretend you do.


There are good and bad reasons for holding kids back.

[YOURTIGERBAIT]

And do you have someone involved? Is that why it bothers you so much why people hold their kids back? I know people who have held their children back. Their reasons for doing so is none of our business. You said you had proven your point. Well not to me and obviously many others. I am from the mountains and very proud of it. I neither called you a name or ridiculed your grammar. I have an opinion and you haven't changed it. I agree to disagree with you.

I wasn't speaking of you about the grammar part. Oh yeah I have some stake in it.And of course I did prove my point to people on this thread. People don't want to accept it.Holdbacks do not bother me as I have said for the 50th time now it's the lame reasons they say why they do it.Your right it is none of our business untill they start telling they did it for yadayada reasons and we have to listen to it constantly then it becomes our business. Why would you not be proud to be from the mountians?:confused: You go right ahead and keep your opinion the same I have no problem with that. We can agree to disagree and I am willing to stop it right here.

[Mama Bear]

Tigerbait,

This is a discussion forum. The topic of this discussion was the issue of holdbacks. The question was posed as to why people do it, at what grade, the pro's and con's of it, ect. People have stated numerous reasons as to why they do or why they don't. You keep wanting to "prove" something and there's simply nothing to prove. If you don't like the reasons that people have for choosing to hold their kids back then that's O.K. Basically you keep rambling on and on and on and on about how YOU know what the real reason as though you can read people's hearts and minds. It's gone way beyond any point of a discussion and basically you are calling people who hold their children back liars if they say it is for any reason other than sports, which is very insulting. What's even more insulting is that you would infer that the reason we hold kids back in the mountains is that they are less intelligent. You didn't point blank say that, but you inferred it and later apologized. It seems that you want more than anything in life, for people to just admit that the only reason that people hold their kids back if for sports. The truth is that there are many reasons people choose to take this option. We've tried to have an intelligent discussion here, but you don't seem to want to do that.

I do think that when you are typing on a message board that it is easier to commincate when people use decent writing skills. Especially when you infer that our mountain kids may be sub par and can't even spell mountain correctly, I'm gonna call you out on it.

Why don't we talk about something else like next year's schedule or who's coming back for our team. This thread isn't going anywhere. Merry Christmas from the mountains!

[YOURTIGERBAIT]

Whatever , It's plain to see people aren't really reading and understanding post. :lmao:


Have a nice day and Merry Christmas all.

[Bengal4Life]

As long as kid's are held back occorrding to the rules then I don't see no harm in it...That's the way you have to be if you want to win...That's just my opinion.

[YOURTIGERBAIT]

As long as kid's are held back occorrding to the rules then I don't see no harm in it...That's the way you have to be if you want to win...That's just my opinion.

I agree!!!

[riverrat11]

Tigerbait,

This is a discussion forum. The topic of this discussion was the issue of holdbacks. The question was posed as to why people do it, at what grade, the pro's and con's of it, ect. People have stated numerous reasons as to why they do or why they don't. You keep wanting to "prove" something and there's simply nothing to prove. If you don't like the reasons that people have for choosing to hold their kids back then that's O.K. Basically you keep rambling on and on and on and on about how YOU know what the real reason as though you can read people's hearts and minds. It's gone way beyond any point of a discussion and basically you are calling people who hold their children back liars if they say it is for any reason other than sports, which is very insulting. What's even more insulting is that you would infer that the reason we hold kids back in the mountains is that they are less intelligent. You didn't point blank say that, but you inferred it and later apologized. It seems that you want more than anything in life, for people to just admit that the only reason that people hold their kids back if for sports. The truth is that there are many reasons people choose to take this option. We've tried to have an intelligent discussion here, but you don't seem to want to do that.

I do think that when you are typing on a message board that it is easier to commincate when people use decent writing skills. Especially when you infer that our mountain kids may be sub par and can't even spell mountain correctly, I'm gonna call you out on it.

Why don't we talk about something else like next year's schedule or who's coming back for our team. This thread isn't going anywhere. Merry Christmas from the mountains!

Very well said and very correct. :notworthy

[YOURTIGERBAIT]

Very well said and very correct. :notworthy

Not even close to being correct.:lmao:

[goal_line]

Immaturity is a lame excuse for holding “boys” back when they have good grades. This was done with 2 boys in north ky and it backfired on the parents that was trying putting a GREAT team together. And YTB you didn’t single anybody out

[phs1986]

Final Warning!!!!!

[goal_line]

If this would go on a public ballot to vote on . I guarantee It would be 2to1 vote in favor of NOT holding back kids for "SPORTS"

[riverrat11]

Immaturity is a lame excuse for holding “boys” back when they have good grades. This was done with 2 boys in north ky and it backfired on the parents that was trying putting a GREAT team together. And YTB you didn’t single anybody out

OPINION, every one has them!!!

[riverrat11]

If this would go on a public ballot to vote on . I guarantee It would be 2to1 vote in favor of NOT holding back kids for "SPORTS"

OPINION, every one has them and mine is diffrent than yourn!!:howdy:

[goal_line]

OPINION, every one has them and mine is diffrent than yourn!!:howdy:

"yourn" I like that :Thumbs: :Thumbs:

[BB CLAW]

It is very beneficial for various reasons and yes everyone has their own opinion. Me personally, I believe that some children may be less developed maturity wise, academically wise, athletically wise, and some realize it is best that their kid not continue on in a class with a group of trouble kids. Many reasons and many benefits. Although all of these are good reasons, some don't fall in any of these categories and/or elect to fuss. If a child meets the age limits by regulation, why is it an issue. The guidelines are clear and if you meet them???? Finally, I would rather my child be 19 at graduation. Those who wish for theirs to be 17-18 at graduation, have at it. Why fuss??? Is your child not able to match holdbacks academically?, Maturity wise?, athletically??? What is the problem???? If they can't compare in any of these, it is almost guaranteed they won't ever, and the answer may be : Hold them back and let them catch up. This is my opinion.

[kybaseball]

Holy moly this thread has went to heck in a hand basket.:eek:

[barrel]

As long as kid's are held back occorrding to the rules then I don't see no harm in it...That's the way you have to be if you want to win...That's just my opinion.

This sums it up for me. Hold back your kids if you want to win. This goes against many of those that are of the opinion of holding back kids.

On the HS level a 19 vs 18 is nothing. On the HS level it levels out.

The above quote makes it sound like if youwant on the [B]MS Level[B] then hold back your kids. We want to win on the MS Level then hold back your kids.

If someone thinks a bunch of normal 8th age students against a freshmeam is fine there is a problem.

Your kid has a learning problem then fine hold him back.
He is immature then hold him back.
You want him to go to college or get out of HS at 18 or 19 during the summer between of HS college then fine.

Holding back 6-8 kids so they can win on the MS level a bunch of crap. If you have no problem with it then would you have a problem if your HS lost a ST Title to a team that was 19-21yr depending on their birthdays?

There are no rules for MS level sports. Confrences ect might but as a state we do not.

[BB CLAW]

There may be a few that have just turned 19 on a state championship football team, but there will not be any 20 or 21 year olds eligible to play in HS. And, I would venture to say that all of the state championship teams are loaded, every year, with kids that heldback in middle school. Why? I explained it in an earlier post, but again one reason is that there is a big difference in a 17 year old or just turning 18 compared to an 19 year old. Just think of those above average 17-18 year olds who graduate having just turned 18 and wonder how impressive and successful they and their team would have been the next year with that extra year of eligibility. Those players themselves while entering college will tell you how bad they would like to have another year of high school and how impressive they would be and why. Although this is not the only advantage to holding back or reason for holding back, it is a big one. That extra year of success/impression does provide another year of opportunity to obtain a college education paid in full.

[Nike1]

I think holdbacks are fine as long as it's within the rules.

[barrel]

We are not talkingabout HS teams but MS teams. There is not state governing body for MS teams so it is up to confrences. If the confrence does not have a rule then a team may have players 1-3 yrs older then those playing against them. It does not matter that they will not be able to play all 4 yrs of HS.

Define loaded when it comes with held back players.

In HS it does not make that big of a difference. In MS it makes a difference.

[Lambert #1]

I would have to argue with you Barrel. In my opinion a 19 year old Senior is much more mature physically and mentally than a 17 year old Senior. The rate of Puberty if anything makes a big difference. A 19 year old decision making skills are much more advanced than a 17 year old in most cases. I do agree that a 15 year old 8th grader in most cases is much more coordinated and physical compared to a 13 year old 8th grader and it does give a huge advantage to the 15 year old, not a problem in my book though, those that do not hold their child back has no room to complain because they have the same opportunity to hold their children back, whether they do or don't means nothing to me because they had their chance to make that decision.

[YOURTIGERBAIT]

I would have to argue with you Barrel. In my opinion a 19 year old Senior is much more mature physically and mentally than a 17 year old Senior. The rate of Puberty if anything makes a big difference. A 19 year old decision making skills are much more advanced than a 17 year old in most cases. I do agree that a 15 year old 8th grader in most cases is much more coordinated and physical compared to a 13 year old 8th grader and it does give a huge advantage to the 15 year old, not a problem in my book though, those that do not hold their child back has no room to complain because they have the same opportunity to hold their children back, whether they do or don't means nothing to me because they had their chance to make that decision.

Maybe people want their kids to move forward not backwards. Maybe people who hold their kids back have no room to complain about people who do not hold their kids back complaining. They should know the complaining is comming and they themselves had the same opportunity to not hold their kids back.
I will agree that a 19 yr old has a maturity advantage over a 17 yr old as long as they think like a 19 yr old and not the 17yr olds they graduate with.Just a thought.

[goal_line]

You all are trying to pick this apart like a brain surgeon. Simple, just hold the kids back for bad grades or the C.A.T.S testing or what ever. Just please not for sports. Take it from experience; it’s not good for them in the long run. :thumpsup: :thumpsup:

[BHSPirateMom #1]

You all are trying to pick this apart like a brain surgeon. Simple, just hold the kids back for bad grades or the C.A.T.S testing or what ever. Just please not for sports. Take it from experience; it’s not good for them in the long run. :thumpsup: :thumpsup:

And what would the reason matter, they would still be held back and still be older?? Who cares? Mine plays with and against kids that have been held back. I don't think it has hurt my son any......I'm not crying. Your not changing our minds and we are not changing yours. Just agree to disagree.

[goal_line]

And what would the reason matter, they would still be held back and still be older?? Who cares? Mine plays with and against kids that have been held back. I don't think it has hurt my son any......I'm not crying. Your not changing our minds and we are not changing yours. Just agree to disagree.

you'll see, maybe not now. But you will :howdy: :howdy: :howdy:

[BB CLAW]

What you see now is what you'll see all the way to graduation.

[YOURTIGERBAIT]

And what would the reason matter, they would still be held back and still be older?? Who cares? Mine plays with and against kids that have been held back. I don't think it has hurt my son any......I'm not crying. Your not changing our minds and we are not changing yours. Just agree to disagree.

I have a question you may not be crying here on the board but I am willing to say it's a different story in private?
I think it is great for younger kids playing against holdbacks it makes it all the sweeter when they catch and start out peforming them.

[phs1986]

I have a question you may not be crying here on the board but I am willing to say it's a different story in private?
I think it is great for younger kids playing against holdbacks it makes it all the sweeter when they catch and start out peforming them.

Let it go tigerbait..... I PERSONALLY know her child and she is telling you the truth. He plays with a couple of kids who were held back in kindergarten/primary block and is just as capable as they are.

[YOURTIGERBAIT]

Let it go tigerbait..... I PERSONALLY know her child and she is telling you the truth. He plays with a couple of kids who were held back in kindergarten/primary block and is just as capable as they are.

Why is it that the mountian people can say what ever they want
and it's ok . Somebody from the outside says something they get into trouble?
I never said their child was not capable in any way shape or form I said it is sweeter when a kid that is younger out performs a child that is held back.