[Some_Kid]

What was going on with these kids Friday night

[FBALL]

A six man front with 9 in the box. They were simply outnumbered.

That and way to many mental mistakes. Those 2nd and 3rd and longs due to illegal procedure calls are drive killers, espeacially in this offense. Simply inexcusable drive killers.

[oneijoe]

A six man front with 9 in the box. They were simply outnumbered.

That and way to many mental mistakes. Those 2nd and 3rd and longs due to illegal procedure calls are drive killers, espeacially in this offense. Simply inexcusable drive killers.

When a defense puts 9 in the box the offense has to go vertical. Does Russell have no passing attack at all this year ?!?

:confused:

[FBALL]

When a defense puts 9 in the box the offense has to go vertical. Does Russell have no passing attack at all this year ?!?

:confused:

They have a quarterback that throws a very nice ball. They have two very good recievers and one big tight end that can catch. They have a passing attack if they want it.

Sometimes early in the season though coach can be kind of stubborn. He will run the basic running plays no matter what until they get it right. Has this cost the team in the past and last friday. Yes IMO.

But usually the message gets through.

Don't get me wrong They don't have a wide open passing package that they put in. But they do have the capability to keep teams honest if they choose.

[sore_looser]

What was going on with these kids Friday night

No blocking and way to slow!!

[GOREDDEVILS]

When a defense puts 9 in the box the offense has to go vertical. Does Russell have no passing attack at all this year ?!?

:confused:

When we did pass it was a 3rd and long. We needed to pass on first down some maybe even 2 pass play back to back. Basicly like most people have said Ashland played run all the way and Russell failed to pass enough to keep Ashland honest.

Only passed 9 times and most of those were after the game was out of hand.

[Some_Kid]

No blocking and way to slow!!

To slow i thought they looked pretty fast.

[Jeepman]

Keep in mind in the large scope of things this game really means nothing to Russell. It gets them ready for the district games. As Fball stated McGloan has been known to do just what he did on Friday even if it cost the team a win. He refuses to show all his cards. As the season goes on we will see more and more passing.

I can assure you of one thing this was the best loss the Red Devils have had in a long time. Boyd two years ago was a good thing. These kids now know that if they are not ready to play they will loose. You could almost see the air come out of Russell after we lost the opening kickoff and Ashland scored. Had it not been for Abrams breaking several tackles and the long run we would have been done for the night.

[oneijoe]

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Sometimes early in the season though coach can be kind of stubborn. He will run the basic running plays no matter what until they get it right.

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Gotcha...

Coach McGlone's been around a long time. He's earned the right to "be kind of stubborn" if his offense isn't executing the base plays to his standard.

[RDEVIL07]

The ashland defense was too fast for the russell offense...and when russell threw the ball...they had to revert to trick pass plays just to fool the defense and get a pass off...NO blocking what so ever

[Jeepman]

The ashland defense was too fast for the russell offense...and when russell threw the ball...they had to revert to trick pass plays just to fool the defense and get a pass off...NO blocking what so ever

I would not be surprised if some of those that were standing around get the opportunity to sit around on Friday. I'm talking about the bench.

[Beetle01]

The only reason most of their initial pass plays did not work, mainly because they did play action, hard to do when the other team is bringing 9 sometimes 10 guys. If they would have had the time on the first couple pass plays they would have been touchdowns as there was not a defender within 15yds of either reciever. They needed to do some quick pop passes and screens, I even know 100% that they put a screen in.

While Russell's line is not great, they are just as good as most teams they will play, but you can't ask each linemen to block 2 guys. They never used Aj's speed to get him out of the pocket and get Dave or Mitchel 1 on 1, or what it owuld have been 1 on 0 because Ashland sold out. Its just discouraging as fans to see such little coaching, and that's all that was, no coaching. Why stay with a 5 man front when all the other team can do is run. I know the coaches know a 6-3 because we ran it when I was there against Parkersburg to shut down their run, and it worked beautifully. We still lost but they couldn't move the ball on O after that. Now if we could do that to that Parkersburg team, I could only imagine what this team would have done to that Ashland team.


I'm also gonna say this, the school needs to get their act together. There is no reason that Frazier, Holbrook, or Mcpeek, which he is at Fairview now doing well. Did not recieve jobs to be @ Russell. This coaching staff is getting older and they need to bring in some next gen guys and spread their knowledge. Mcglone does get stubborn and runs 26 over and over and over. Him and his staff have a great wealth of knowledge, its just not always utilized.

[DevilsWin]

The only reason most of their initial pass plays did not work, mainly because they did play action, hard to do when the other team is bringing 9 sometimes 10 guys. If they would have had the time on the first couple pass plays they would have been touchdowns as there was not a defender within 15yds of either reciever. They needed to do some quick pop passes and screens, I even know 100% that they put a screen in.

While Russell's line is not great, they are just as good as most teams they will play, but you can't ask each linemen to block 2 guys. They never used Aj's speed to get him out of the pocket and get Dave or Mitchel 1 on 1, or what it owuld have been 1 on 0 because Ashland sold out. Its just discouraging as fans to see such little coaching, and that's all that was, no coaching. Why stay with a 5 man front when all the other team can do is run. I know the coaches know a 6-3 because we ran it when I was there against Parkersburg to shut down their run, and it worked beautifully. We still lost but they couldn't move the ball on O after that. Now if we could do that to that Parkersburg team, I could only imagine what this team would have done to that Ashland team.


I'm also gonna say this, the school needs to get their act together. There is no reason that Frazier, Holbrook, or Mcpeek, which he is at Fairview now doing well. Did not recieve jobs to be @ Russell. This coaching staff is getting older and they need to bring in some next gen guys and spread their knowledge. Mcglone does get stubborn and runs 26 over and over and over. Him and his staff have a great wealth of knowledge, its just not always utilized.

Frasure.

[Beetle01]

Frasure.

You're right, I know better too lol.

[DevilsWin]

Jones, Smith and Morris are good assistants. The rest are "get back coaches" and glorified waterboys.

[DevilsWin]

Nathan McPeek is an offensive genius as is TJ Maynard.
Chris Holbrook is a great line coach and young enough to get the most out of his players.
Frasure is a brilliant Defensive schemer and motivator.

Of all the great players to come through Russell in the past, only 3 I know of went on to play Division 1 football under scholarship for 4 years. The rest either walked on, quit, got injured or didn't make the grades. I think Frasure and McPeek are the only 2 still coaching.

IMO these guys won't be given their due until there is a changing of the guard but I would like to see these 4 guys on the Russell sideline instead of some of the jokers out there now.

[Beetle01]

Well I'm not gonna go bashing the coaches by calling them names. I like all of them and they are all good men. It just frustrates me when I see team like last Friday come in completely unprepared for the game, with a terrible gameplan. Our coaches are better than that. The sad part is most of the uneducated fans @ Russell think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread and if the team loses well its because the team didn't try or they suck. Well playing the likes of Estill, Lewis, West, East, Morgan, Powell and Greenup most years would make any coach look awesome. Even the state champ team played a bunch of bum teams to get there honestly, Belfry was an average team most years that year, and OC was not very good.

[DevilsWin]

Well I'm not gonna go bashing the coaches by calling them names. I like all of them and they are all good men. It just frustrates me when I see team like last Friday come in completely unprepared for the game, with a terrible gameplan. Our coaches are better than that. The sad part is most of the uneducated fans @ Russell think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread and if the team loses well its because the team didn't try or they suck. Well playing the likes of Estill, Lewis, West, East, Morgan, Powell and Greenup most years would make any coach look awesome. Even the state champ team played a bunch of bum teams to get there honestly, Belfry was an average team most years that year, and OC was not very good.

You don't have to. Leave that to me. Some of them have never even put on a jersey.

[Beetle01]

You don't have to. Leave that to me. Some of them have never even put on a jersey.

I know some of them get on here and read. Apparently one of them was convinced I was another poster before I had even been on this board and was on here bashing them.

[DevilsWin]

I know some of them get on here and read. Apparently one of them was convinced I was another poster before I had even been on this board and was on here bashing them.

Maybe they should. I mean they're not bad guys at all and I like most of them but are they qualified to be in those positions? I won't name names, but they and we know who they are.

[DEVILOLOGIST]

You win 2 state championships and everybody loves you, you loose one game against Ashland and it is the wood shed with all of them...........
I have been around Russell football for 36 years... alot has to do with winning and loosing...... we always second guess the coaches after a loss, Mercer, Ashland, Boyd, Belfry, Breathitt.....
I am sure that the team will have a new attitude this week and after the film is reviewed I am sure a bunch of them will be alot lighter in the behind, which should make them quicker this week.

I am thinking that the starting lineup may be different this week also.........

[Beetle01]

You win 2 state championships and everybody loves you, you loose one game against Ashland and it is the wood shed with all of them...........
I have been around Russell football for 36 years... alot has to do with winning and loosing...... we always second guess the coaches after a loss, Mercer, Ashland, Boyd, Belfry, Breathitt.....
I am sure that the team will have a new attitude this week and after the film is reviewed I am sure a bunch of them will be alot lighter in the behind, which should make them quicker this week.

I am thinking that the starting lineup may be different this week also.........

Ive griped about the play calling for awhile. If it doesn't change we won't make it past the second round, and if we lose to Mason we may not make it past the first.

I still feel we should have beat Breathitt last year. They did exactly what Ashland did, which was load the box, no players even deeper than 5 yds off the ball and bring the house. Then watch Mcglone call run after run.

[Devilsmama]

I think this was a big eye opener for the team and the coaches. People are quick to jump in and say things about the coaches when there is a loss, but that loss I am sure will be followed by wins!

[Devil09]

play as a team.

[ryanparker]

I always think that Russell's playoff fate is pretty much tied to whether or not they can complete enough passes to keep drives alive. For the most part, their running game and defense have always been at least adequate enough to compete against good teams.

I hope and somewhat suspect the offensive play calling will get a little more creative when the games start to matter more. We have gotten "risky" at times in the past! Didn't we recover a pooch kick in the first quarter against Belfry in the 2005 playoffs? I think the coaches will recognize when we might be outmanned and call some unexpected plays at unexpected times.

I am more concerned, though, about the defense. That was a pretty lackluster performance against Ashland. Whether scheme, talent, or effort was to blame, it has to improve.

[EkyLb]

Ashland was my first game to see Russell this year and it was a poor one to witness, atleast until the 4th quarter. I felt if Russell throws early they go into half with atleast a 21-6 lead.
The D was just getting outmanned. Ashland was pulling the offside guard and tackle and overloading one side. Russell requires their backside players to sit @ home. So with no backside pursuit allowed by the DE or DT, there was noone there to get in on the play. They simply got outmanned @ every point of attack on D and O.

[pitchfork]

What O line. I believe in calling it like it is. Just a poor performance. What do you mean this game means nothing? Russell/ Ashland Russell/ Boyd Co. Russell/Raceland Russell traditions runs deep. These are all rivalries that last until next year and the next thirty years and the next 50 years. If you can't get up for these games. You don't deserve to wear the Maroon and Gold. The line just flat did not block. Hardy ( A Soph) from Ashland was in 70% of every tackle. Many times untouched. Good Job. Russell just flat stayed home. Admit it.
If they don't make changes in positions, coaching, attitude, play calling, there will be more of this to come. Hopefully finish 5-5 if things don't change. Call it like it is. Ashland just smacked you in the mouth from the coaches on down.
Congrats to Ashland players and there staff. Russell needs to regroup they need a leader (that will give 100%) to step up and get on thoses players that will not step up and get the players in there that will play.
:devilflam :devilflam :devilflam

[DEVILOLOGIST]

1. Every play is designed to score TD..-If you really look at it, everyplay is that way.
2. If I call an 8-26, and every man blocks, it is a touchdown...
3. You can not place the blame on the coaches for the play not working......
4. If you dont do your job the play fails.
5. You are always taught to block til the whistle blows, now we can not even get a POP and STOP.

As I said before, you can blame the coaches all you want, but when you call your bread and butter plays, 8-26, 8-22 and you loose yardage,, wheres the problem???? Somebody did not do there job on the field......

Looking at Josh Gross run the 8-26.........mostly TD
Watching Kasey Clark run the 8-26.........mostly TD
watching Drew Abrams run the 8-26 last year.......TD
watching the 8-26 this year,,,,,,,,,,pitiful.......GUYS the play doesnt change and the only thing that does is the front line........IF YOUR LINE IS GOOD,, THIS FATBOY COULD RUN A TD OUT THERE!!!!!!
We knew coming into this season that the line would need to step up.... Greenup was no challenge, Boyd was better, West Carter was weak and the line looked alright.. and you lulled us fans into a false sense of security..... Then we play Ashland,, that no matter what their record will always be one of our toughest opponents,,, Even if they brought in a cheerleader from the side,, she would still find a way to score...


All together now and repeat after me........" I, (state your name) will hear by solemly swear to focus on the betterment of this team and to support them in their improvment to become a great team. Even if it is making changes to the team that the fans dont like.... I know that I am not a coach and I have no say in the matter.. As we all agree that armchair coaches may know alot about football, we are not responsible for the actions or operation of the Russell Red Devil football team.

OUr job is to be LOUD on the sidelines and to cheer our team on the field.....
Which brings me to another topic.....

Dude I have been around football at Russell for along time..... We bring the largest crowds to a game and we never make noise. Most fans just sit and watch, or come to be seen...
Here is my challenge to all fans on here and the people they can influence.......
make some freakin noise at a football game.......
Our team needs to hear us... Then maybe they will feel like they are at a football game instead of a BALLET.......

[Beetle01]

1. Every play is designed to score TD..-If you really look at it, everyplay is that way.
2. If I call an 8-26, and every man blocks, it is a touchdown...
3. You can not place the blame on the coaches for the play not working......
4. If you dont do your job the play fails.
5. You are always taught to block til the whistle blows, now we can not even get a POP and STOP.

As I said before, you can blame the coaches all you want, but when you call your bread and butter plays, 8-26, 8-22 and you loose yardage,, wheres the problem???? Somebody did not do there job on the field......

Looking at Josh Gross run the 8-26.........mostly TD
Watching Kasey Clark run the 8-26.........mostly TD
watching Drew Abrams run the 8-26 last year.......TD
watching the 8-26 this year,,,,,,,,,,pitiful.......GUYS the play doesnt change and the only thing that does is the front line........IF YOUR LINE IS GOOD,, THIS FATBOY COULD RUN A TD OUT THERE!!!!!!
We knew coming into this season that the line would need to step up.... Greenup was no challenge, Boyd was better, West Carter was weak and the line looked alright.. and you lulled us fans into a false sense of security..... Then we play Ashland,, that no matter what their record will always be one of our toughest opponents,,, Even if they brought in a cheerleader from the side,, she would still find a way to score...


All together now and repeat after me........" I, (state your name) will hear by solemly swear to focus on the betterment of this team and to support them in their improvment to become a great team. Even if it is making changes to the team that the fans dont like.... I know that I am not a coach and I have no say in the matter.. As we all agree that armchair coaches may know alot about football, we are not responsible for the actions or operation of the Russell Red Devil football team.

OUr job is to be LOUD on the sidelines and to cheer our team on the field.....
Which brings me to another topic.....

Dude I have been around football at Russell for along time..... We bring the largest crowds to a game and we never make noise. Most fans just sit and watch, or come to be seen...
Here is my challenge to all fans on here and the people they can influence.......
make some freakin noise at a football game.......
Our team needs to hear us... Then maybe they will feel like they are at a football game instead of a BALLET.......

Only disagreement I have is no team has ever used to defence like that against Russell. Ashland 100% completely sold out. They brought everyone but the safety's on every single play. True the line could have done much better. I saw no attempt though to try and get some pressure off of them with any quick screens or pop passes. I'm sorry I won't just let that play calling slide.

Remember Belfry 06? Kasey maybe had 60yds for the game. Belfry loaded the box and Russell won 19-0 through the air with passes to Frazier and Clark. After they loosened Belfry up, they used Kasey to run the clock out. If you make Ashland keep one or 2 guys back then those runs of Drews where he got tackled 1 on 1 or tripped up become long runs. You watched the game film? I didn't see as many missed blocks as you might think. You can't ask everyone to block 2 guys every play. Even with that we were still in the game in the 4th, but then I think you saw the lack of conditioning from sitting on the sidelines for most games all season. This team needs to get their attitude straight. They need to quit worry about where they think they are gonna play college ball. If Friday night was any indication of the heart and effort these kids have in them, none of them will play anywhere on Saturday afternoons.

That is a much better Ashland team than anyone expected, they beat us @ every aspect of the game. Gameplan, Game adjustments, blocking, getting off blocks, effort, heart, tackling.

[DEVILOLOGIST]

I agree and disagree on some things too. But it is true... if were a scout and came to the Ashland game.. i would have left disappointed and with a scholly to offer someone else......

I still think that every play can score and it takes everyone to do A JOB.. Thats all.

I will see you Friday night...

Or tonight if you are going to the freshman game....