Hard To Cheer For Hazard?

**BlackcatAlum** · 04-05-2008, 12:57 AM

Here is that way I see it...

Hazard hasn't broken any rules. Yes, they always seem to be the best team in the 14th region, but winning is a tradition there at Hazard, that is what attracts players to these types of schools. If you have a winning program then your going to get some talent at your school. Its just like North Carolina, Kentucky, Duke, UCLA, and Kansas. They have a winning tradition and thats why big time recruits are attracted to them.

As long as its not breaking the rules, then there is nothing wrong with players transferring, there just doing what they think is right for themselves, not others.

~~Survivor~~ · 04-05-2008, 02:24 AM

LOOKAYANNER Wrote:Oh I can get over it.:dontthink And your're right, there's others. It's just that Hazard has a LONG and illustrious history of convientent transfers. There's no way that a school with barely 300 students should or could dominate the 14th region the way Hazard has over the years. Transfers have been a large part of that legacy. The truth hurts sometimes. So get defensive and raise your trophy if it makes you feel better.ticktong

You named very few players in your previous post for such a long and illustrious history. The truth is "SMART GUY" this has happened very few times over the long and illustrious history and that's the TRUTH! Now please get over it!!:Clap: Smile

**thecavemaster** · 04-05-2008, 09:39 AM

Without the Bell County connection, would Hazard have done as they did this year? No. Thus, through strategic transfers, did they gain a competitive advantage? Yes. Does that make them hard to cheer for if you are not a Hazard fan? Yes. Is Hazard the only school that goes out and gets players when it needs them? No. Is that relevant to this particular discussion? No. There is nothing to "get over" here. This is a debate between opposing sides, not the flu virus.

**RavenBoy** · 04-05-2008, 10:36 AM

thecavemaster Wrote:Wonder if Euton would have transferred if Elliot County were not returning all those players? Wow, I sure wouldn't think playing the angles to get to Rupp Arena would have factored in... Required conclusion in search of "sounds good" reason....

That makes sense. lol

**RavenBoy** · 04-05-2008, 10:37 AM

thecavemaster Wrote:Without the Bell County connection, would Hazard have done as they did this year? No. Thus, through strategic transfers, did they gain a competitive advantage? Yes. Does that make them hard to cheer for if you are not a Hazard fan? Yes. Is Hazard the only school that goes out and gets players when it needs them? No. Is that relevant to this particular discussion? No. There is nothing to "get over" here. This is a debate between opposing sides, not the flu virus.

Really get over it, Hazard is good and you cant change that, quit crying about it.

~~Survivor~~ · 04-05-2008, 11:48 AM

thecavemaster Wrote:Without the Bell County connection, would Hazard have done as they did this year? No. Thus, through strategic transfers, did they gain a competitive advantage? Yes. Does that make them hard to cheer for if you are not a Hazard fan? Yes. Is Hazard the only school that goes out and gets players when it needs them? No. Is that relevant to this particular discussion? No. There is nothing to "get over" here. This is a debate between opposing sides, not the flu virus.

Get over it!!!Go back to your CAVE! Smile

**RavenBoy** · 04-05-2008, 05:22 PM

Survivor Wrote:Get over it!!!Go back to your CAVE!

Nice one HM.:rockon:

**Benchwarmer** · 04-05-2008, 09:31 PM

Survivor Wrote:Can you name a few players that have come from outside Perry Co. in recent years that went to Hazard? I can only think of one in the past ten years and that would be Cleve Washington. Maybe I'm wrong, so please post some more names for everyone since you know it all. You should do a little homework before you make comments that you can't back up.

Eric Mullins is one to start with.

**RavenBoy** · 04-05-2008, 09:56 PM

Eric Mullins mom lives in Hazard, She has for a long time now.

**Benchwarmer** · 04-05-2008, 11:10 PM

RavenBoy Wrote:Eric Mullins mom lives in Hazard, She has for a long time now.

Eric never lived with his mom until when? Until he transfered to Hazard from Harrison County his Sr. year. Before Harrison County Eric lived with his grandpa in Knott County went to school at Carr Creek. Try again.

PATS2011 · 04-06-2008, 12:37 AM

Whitaker? hello! and the other kid from bell co.!

~~Survivor~~ · 04-06-2008, 02:33 AM

Benchwarmer Wrote:Eric Mullins is one to start with.

Wow! You're so smart, you named one that couldn't play a lick. Keep trying and see if you can do better.:lmao:

**thecavemaster** · 04-06-2008, 09:43 AM

Survivor Wrote:Get over it!!!Go back to your CAVE!

If every time someone disagrees with you, you laugh a little laugh and post a smiley face at the thought "get over it," you're the one who lives in a dark place with very little light and bats flying around.

PATS2011 · 04-06-2008, 02:05 PM

thecavemaster Wrote:If every time someone disagrees with you, you laugh a little laugh and post a smiley face at the thought "get over it," you're the one who lives in a dark place with very little light and bats flying around.

Good post...lol

rojas · 04-06-2008, 02:20 PM

thecavemaster Wrote:Without the Bell County connection, would Hazard have done as they did this year? No. Thus, through strategic transfers, did they gain a competitive advantage? Yes. Does that make them hard to cheer for if you are not a Hazard fan? Yes. Is Hazard the only school that goes out and gets players when it needs them? No. Is that relevant to this particular discussion? No. There is nothing to "get over" here. This is a debate between opposing sides, not the flu virus.

I don't know of any school or coach that builds a fence around their school district to keep out transfers. Truth be told, every successful programs get a few transfers. The jealousy comes in when my team's transfers are not as good as your teams.

~~Survivor~~ · 04-06-2008, 02:52 PM

rojas Wrote:I don't know of any school or coach that builds a fence around their school district to keep out transfers. Truth be told, every successful programs get a few transfers. The jealousy comes in when my team's transfers are not as good as your teams.

:thumpsup: Excellent post.

**RavenBoy** · 04-06-2008, 03:13 PM

Benchwarmer Wrote:Eric never lived with his mom until when? Until he transfered to Hazard from Harrison County his Sr. year. Before Harrison County Eric lived with his grandpa in Knott County went to school at Carr Creek. Try again.

So you really saying that he cant love his mom or live with her? That makes alot of sense. Rolleyes

**RavenBoy** · 04-06-2008, 03:15 PM

rojas Wrote:I don't know of any school or coach that builds a fence around their school district to keep out transfers. Truth be told, every successful programs get a few transfers. The jealousy comes in when my team's transfers are not as good as your teams.

Isnt that the Truth. Im sure all these people talking down on transfers would be saying a **** thing if they were on their team.

bluegrassballa · 04-06-2008, 11:04 PM

Hazard hasn't done anything wrong. Just because players wanna transfer there doesn't make them the bad guys. I mean, its not like they're commiting murder or anything. If they wanna transfer, let them. Its a free country.

rojas · 04-07-2008, 06:28 AM

One other point, Whitaker is a good coach. His teams did well at Bell County.

**Benchwarmer** · 04-07-2008, 06:59 AM

RavenBoy Wrote:So you really saying that he cant love his mom or live with her? That makes alot of sense.

Do what?

**thecavemaster** · 04-07-2008, 01:36 PM

rojas Wrote:I don't know of any school or coach that builds a fence around their school district to keep out transfers. Truth be told, every successful programs get a few transfers. The jealousy comes in when my team's transfers are not as good as your teams.

The pretty girl with the big ego who tries to steal other girl's boyfriends says, "The other girls don't like me 'cause their jealous." The problem, though, is not jealousy; it is, actually, the disposition and actions of the girl. "Every successful program has a few transfers." Are you making my argument or yours?

**thecavemaster** · 04-07-2008, 01:38 PM

bluegrassballa Wrote:Hazard hasn't done anything wrong. Just because players wanna transfer there doesn't make them the bad guys. I mean, its not like they're commiting murder or anything. If they wanna transfer, let them. Its a free country.

Has anyone equated recruiting in high school to murder? It is a free country, but you can't just drive through red lights, that would create a very dangerous situation at intersections. Freedom doesn't have anything to do with bending the rules that are put in place to ensure competitive fairness. Again, your arguments do not address the issue: smokescreen.

bluegrassballa · 04-07-2008, 02:14 PM

thecavemaster Wrote:Has anyone equated recruiting in high school to murder? It is a free country, but you can't just drive through red lights, that would create a very dangerous situation at intersections. Freedom doesn't have anything to do with bending the rules that are put in place to ensure competitive fairness. Again, your arguments do not address the issue: smokescreen.

My point was that Hazard isn't doing anything wrong. People are transferring there. Who cares, thats life. They have a choice on where they wanna go to school at. I mean come one, its high school. Its supposed to be the beast years of their lives. They wanna play basketball at Hazard. There is nothing you can do about it. So just get over it. And whats with the stoplight thing? Everybody knows when its red your supposed to stop. :confused:

**thecavemaster** · 04-07-2008, 06:43 PM

bluegrassballa Wrote:My point was that Hazard isn't doing anything wrong. People are transferring there. Who cares, thats life. They have a choice on where they wanna go to school at. I mean come one, its high school. Its supposed to be the beast years of their lives. They wanna play basketball at Hazard. There is nothing you can do about it. So just get over it. And whats with the stoplight thing? Everybody knows when its red your supposed to stop. :confused:

"Red light thing" = analogy ... Again with the "get over it." Students do have a choice about where they go to school, though usually they are required to go in district, unless attending a private school, or in a county that has some sort of magnet school program. I don't think your reasons hold any kind of water as pertaining to competitive fairness.

~~Survivor~~ · 04-07-2008, 07:02 PM

thecavemaster Wrote:"Red light thing" = analogy ... Again with the "get over it." Students do have a choice about where they go to school, though usually they are required to go in district, unless attending a private school, or in a county that has some sort of magnet school program. I don't think your reasons hold any kind of water as pertaining to competitive fairness.

I must bow before you oh great cavemaster. Your intellect is so far superior to any of us earthlings. Oh great one you are the greatest in this world we call earth.:notworthy

rojas · 04-07-2008, 10:44 PM

thecavemaster Wrote:The pretty girl with the big ego who tries to steal other girl's boyfriends says, "The other girls don't like me 'cause their jealous." The problem, though, is not jealousy; it is, actually, the disposition and actions of the girl. "Every successful program has a few transfers." Are you making my argument or yours?

Let's see. With your pretty girl analogy. If the pretty girl (school, coach, etc.) contacts the boy its against KHSAA rules. If the boy contacts the pretty girl and follows all the KHSAA rules, no rules are broken.

bluegrassballa · 04-08-2008, 01:02 AM

thecavemaster Wrote:"Red light thing" = analogy ... Again with the "get over it." Students do have a choice about where they go to school, though usually they are required to go in district, unless attending a private school, or in a county that has some sort of magnet school program. I don't think your reasons hold any kind of water as pertaining to competitive fairness.

Ok, and if the students can go where they want, whats the arguement? And yes, again with the get over it. If you can't handle the fact that your wrong, don't even reply. And my reasons make alot more sense than yours my friend. I'm not trying to act big in front of everynody on here like you do.

bluegrassballa · 04-08-2008, 01:03 AM

Survivor Wrote:I must bow before you oh great cavemaster. Your intellect is so far superior to any of us earthlings. Oh great one you are the greatest in this world we call earth.:notworthy

Hah! You shouldn't even joke around like that man. He might give us some more fancy word action. :eek: :yikes:

Godspeed · 04-08-2008, 11:49 AM

To be honest, as long as they aren't using recruiting as a method to get players like Lex Cath and other private schools, then there shouldn't be a problem with transfer athletes. If I love basketball and I want to play for a good team, I'll do what I can to go there. There is absolutely no harm in wanting to play for a good team, coach, or in front of a killer student section. Do what you think is best for yourself and not other's around you.