Why Abortion Is Wrong!

sherman14 · 03-29-2008, 12:06 PM

Now watch this video and tell me abortion is right.:mad:

**RavenBoy** · 03-29-2008, 12:31 PM

I could see it being right if your raped but other than that NO.

*Central_Cheer_Chick · 03-29-2008, 02:02 PM

Abortion is never right. Thank you for posting that video! I hope it reaches out to people who need to see it.

**ComfortEagle** · 03-29-2008, 04:28 PM

So, a point made in that video is that life begins at conception. If this is your belief then wouldn't the birth control pill also be considered a form of abortion?

Birth control pills prevent ovulation, but also prevent an egg from attaching itself to the woman's body. If the sperm and egg meet up (conception) but do not attach due to the hormones from the pill, would you consider that abortion as well? There was conception, however, no attachment.

That's the problem I have with the "life begins at conception" argument.

I'm not saying I'm for abortion, but that's just a problem I see with throwing around that term.

BamaBoy · 03-29-2008, 05:24 PM

The Bible has several verses on this topic. I'll share them if someone wants me to. But the easy one is :Thou shall not kill". Exodus 20:13. Just like anything that is made/created there has to be a start. Abortion...only to save the Mother's life.

**ComfortEagle** · 03-29-2008, 05:40 PM

BamaBoy Wrote:The Bible has several verses on this topic. I'll share them if someone wants me to. But the easy one is :Thou shall not kill". Exodus 20:13. Just like anything that is made/created there has to be a start. Abortion...only to save the Mother's life.

If the Bible says "Those shall not kill," then why do we go to, and support wars where people die?

Is it justified because there is a greater good? Are there justifications for abortion?

I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out how statements can be turned around.

**RavenBoy** · 03-29-2008, 06:33 PM

ComfortEagle Wrote:If the Bible says "Those shall not kill," then why do we go to, and support wars where people die?

Is it justified because there is a greater good? Are there justifications for abortion?

I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out how statements can be turned around.

I know what your saying I and do believe in the god and the Bible.
My Girlfriend believes in God but she dont believe the Bible. So she would have an abortion if she got raped, other than that she wouldnt though.

BamaBoy · 03-30-2008, 12:47 AM

The Old testament is full of wars. God had his hand in some of them. David and Goliath came from a war. oranges/apples Lets finish this thread then I'll start one on Capitol Punishment.

**RavenBoy** · 03-30-2008, 12:53 AM

BamaBoy Wrote:. David and Goliath came from a war. .

:confused: :confused:

BamaBoy · 03-30-2008, 04:18 PM

^^^Raven I don't get your cartoon heads. I'll go this way. Why did David show up to fight Goliath? Is that why you are asking? There was a war going on and God wanted David to end it.

**RavenBoy** · 03-30-2008, 06:04 PM

BamaBoy Wrote:^^^Raven I don't get your cartoon heads. I'll go this way. Why did David show up to fight Goliath? Is that why you are asking? There was a war going on and God wanted David to end it.

Gotcha now. :Clap:

**BFritz** · 03-30-2008, 11:47 PM

I believe that abortion is wrong, but here's a question to think about:

How would abotion be legal, but yet if someone kills a pregnant woman it's considered double homicide?

*Central_Cheer_Chick · 03-31-2008, 12:14 AM

I have so many opinions on this subject!! It makes me so mad even thinking about it. But I have a question, I saw a movie once (think it was on Lifetime) where a woman got pregnant and couldn't carry the baby, so they put the egg in her best friend and she carried it and delivered it for her. Is this really possible?

And if so, why can't they just do this. Give the unwanted baby to a family who really wants one and can't have one.

sherman14 · 03-31-2008, 09:45 AM

There is no point in abortion. It is wrong however you put it. And I believe if a woman is raped they should still have the child. The child has the right to live even if it wasn't planned. Children dont deserve to die.

**thecavemaster** · 03-31-2008, 10:16 AM

sherman14 Wrote:There is no point in abortion. It is wrong however you put it. And I believe if a woman is raped they should still have the child. The child has the right to live even if it wasn't planned. Children dont deserve to die.

Smoking is harmful and slowly kills the smoker; yet, basic freedoms as established in vital documents allow it. Roe v. Wade established a woman's right to choose WITHIN CERTAIN PARAMETERS to have an abortion. We don't live in Absoluteville; we live in a representative democracy. Debating abortion as a moral/religious dilemma is one thing: a woman's right to an abortion in America is another. The first is a matter of opinion; the second is an established Constitutional right.

**RavenBoy** · 03-31-2008, 11:49 AM

BFritz Wrote:I believe that abortion is wrong, but here's a question to think about:

How would abotion be legal, but yet if someone kills a pregnant woman it's considered double homicide?

Yea that dont make any sense does it?

**RavenBoy** · 03-31-2008, 11:51 AM

sherman14 Wrote:There is no point in abortion. It is wrong however you put it. And I believe if a woman is raped they should still have the child. The child has the right to live even if it wasn't planned. Children dont deserve to die.

Im sure you would go threw all that pain for a baby you dont want. If my girlfriend is raped, I wouldnt care about no baby, I would just care about my Girlfriend. Then having a abortion wouldnt make me think twice about it.

sherman14 · 03-31-2008, 01:50 PM

I dont care if it's a constitutional right. You are taking away the right of the unborn child. What if that child could've found the cure to cancer. Well never know becuase that child was killed for no reason.

**ComfortEagle** · 03-31-2008, 02:15 PM

sherman14 Wrote:I dont care if it's a constitutional right. You are taking away the right of the unborn child. What if that child could've found the cure to cancer. Well never know becuase that child was killed for no reason.

You live in America, so it'd be wise to care about constitutional rights.

Each and every person has a reason for having an abortion, I can guarantee you that. For some it may be because they cannot financially afford a child. For another, maybe it's because they're afraid their family will disown them if they have a child out of wedlock. For others maybe it's the twisting disgust of knowing that the child you are carrying in your body is 24/7 reminder of that time you were raped.

You can't say there is no reason, you need to put yourself in someone else's shoes before saying something like that.

Now, your opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to it - THAT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT - so before you go saying you don't care about constitutional rights, realize that you are ALLOWED to have your own opinion about abortion and voice that opinion in this country.

It's easy to see abortion as a black and white, right and wrong when you don't know why the person who had the abortion is doing it.

I can guarantee that the person aborting the child didn't just say, "well I feel like killing a baby today." If you stick to the fact that killing someone is wrong, then yes, abortion in any situation is wrong. But you have to use post-conventional reasoning here and consider the other factors. Will a 13 year-old girl really be a good mother to a baby? Or will it be neglected and grow up to be a psychopathic murderer?

Yes, adoption is an option that we have, but not all children get adopted. A lot of people forget that there are children who never grow up outside of the adoption agency and never have a stable family. They may get bounced around from home to home and never have a concrete mom and dad. This is emotionally traumatic for a child because they cannot develop the levels of attachment needed to develop emotionally and/or morally.

**Midee1** · 03-31-2008, 02:25 PM

ComfortEagle Wrote:You live in America, so it'd be wise to care about constitutional rights.

Each and every person has a reason for having an abortion, I can guarantee you that. For some it may be because they cannot financially afford a child. For another, maybe it's because they're afraid their family will disown them if they have a child out of wedlock. For others maybe it's the twisting disgust of knowing that the child you are carrying in your body is 24/7 reminder of that time you were raped.

You can't say there is no reason, you need to put yourself in someone else's shoes before saying something like that.

Now, your opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to it - THAT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT - so before you go saying you don't care about constitutional rights, realize that you are ALLOWED to have your own opinion about abortion and voice that opinion in this country.

It's easy to see abortion as a black and white, right and wrong when you don't know why the person who had the abortion is doing it.

I can guarantee that the person aborting the child didn't just say, "well I feel like killing a baby today." If you stick to the fact that killing someone is wrong, then yes, abortion in any situation is wrong. But you have to use post-conventional reasoning here and consider the other factors. Will a 13 year-old girl really be a good mother to a baby? Or will it be neglected and grow up to be a psychopathic murderer?

Yes, adoption is an option that we have, but not all children get adopted. A lot of people forget that there are children who never grow up outside of the adoption agency and never have a stable family. They may get bounced around from home to home and never have a concrete mom and dad. This is emotionally traumatic for a child because they cannot develop the levels of attachment needed to develop emotionally and/or morally.

Plus I have read many, many horror stories of adopted and foster children and their deplorable living conditions. There are fosters out there that only take in children to get extra money from the children. Many fosters and adopted children die at the hands of their supposed care givers. What is more humane? Never creating the life so they do not have to undergo the torture or let them be born and tortured to death?

I am not voicing any stance on abortion I am just throwing out other circumstances.

**ComfortEagle** · 03-31-2008, 03:41 PM

That's why this is such a hot topic issue. If a fetus is aborted then it's murder, but if they are adopted and end up in bad homes is it really better?

Adoptees are more likely to attempt suicide than children who grow up with their biological parents. Also, twice the number of adopted children, as opposed to children who grew up with their biological parents, need psychological counseling throughout their lives.

**RavenBoy** · 03-31-2008, 04:09 PM

I mean dont get me wrong, I dont think its right if a woman just wants an abortion because she not ready to be a mom, but I can think of some reasons that it is right.

**thecavemaster** · 03-31-2008, 07:48 PM

sherman14 Wrote:I dont care if it's a constitutional right. You are taking away the right of the unborn child. What if that child could've found the cure to cancer. Well never know becuase that child was killed for no reason.

What if that child was another Hitler? Thank goodness, we'll never know. I joke a bit here, because, obviously, this is a silly way to debate this issue.

sherman14 · 04-01-2008, 09:27 AM

Would you rather have a child to be aborted or have a chance at life to live it to it's fullest. Just because a child is in a bad foster home doesn't mean they cant go far in life.

**Midee1** · 04-01-2008, 09:35 AM

sherman14 Wrote:Would you rather have a child to be aborted or have a chance at life to live it to it's fullest. Just because a child is in a bad foster home doesn't mean they cant go far in life.

What if said foster child leads a life full of neglect and abuse and ends up dieing at a very early age due to the abuse?

Then would it be better to not have been born at all rather than to live a short time and suffer horribly?

sherman14 · 04-01-2008, 09:42 AM

That is a possiblity, but that isn't they case with all foster homes. I would rather see the world and live then just be killedd without coming into his world!

**Midee1** · 04-01-2008, 10:29 AM

sherman14 Wrote:That is a possiblity, but that isn't they case with all foster homes. I would rather see the world and live then just be killedd without coming into his world!

I agree that this isn't the case in all foster homes but how horrible would it be to live 4-5 years just to be beaten and abused and ultimately die at the hands of bad foster parents?

If they have a perfect foster system and could adopt to wonderful parents then by all means do it. I don't think we will ever have that though. To much government interaction and to little government action.

*Central_Cheer_Chick · 04-01-2008, 01:30 PM

If they would crack down and be more strict about these foster homes it might be better. A lot of people just do it for the check. But I can name 5 couples right now who can't have any babies and would make the perfect parents!

**ComfortEagle** · 04-01-2008, 01:32 PM

Midee1 Wrote:I agree that this isn't the case in all foster homes but how horrible would it be to live 4-5 years just to be beaten and abused and ultimately die at the hands of bad foster parents?

If they have a perfect foster system and could adopt to wonderful parents then by all means do it. I don't think we will ever have that though. To much government interaction and to little government action.

I agree with Midee, the world doesn't look too great if you're getting abused all the time, or if you're depressed because you're being bounced from home to home and feeling like no one loves you.

Here is a story from a 34 year old adoptee:

"My mother didn't do such a good thing by putting me up for adoption, in fact it was something that she didn't even want to do, but she didn't have any other choice. You might be interested in doing some reading into the "Baby Scoop Era" and how single pregnant women were treated. It's pretty sad.

What's really sad is, it hasn't completely disappeared. There are still pregnant teenage girls who aren't given any choice but to come home without their baby or not come home at all. Not much of a choice, is it?

I wish I could agree and say that adoption WAS a good thing for me, but since I have found and know my biological family, I can say with 100% certainty that it wasn't. I wasn't "saved" from anything, I wouldn't have been abused, neglected or starved, my mother would NEVER have aborted me or thrown me in a dumpster, and in fact, my biological parents got married 6 months after I was born. I would have lived a very normal life with a very normal family with my very normal full brother and extended family.

And the effects of giving me away on my mother? I won't get into that, but just to say that 34 years later and she still can't come to terms with it. Not even after reunion. It was devastating to her.

Of course she's not a bad person; she was just powerless against societal attitudes and family and agency pressure."

**ComfortEagle** · 04-01-2008, 01:36 PM

*Central_Cheer_Chick Wrote:If they would crack down and be more strict about these foster homes it might be better. A lot of people just do it for the check. But I can name 5 couples right now who can't have any babies and would make the perfect parents!

How about we try to stop it before it happens? And with that I mean better sex ed., counseling, and making contraceptives available at schools. I don't know about you guys but our sex ed. in school consisted of a 30 year old video and an outdated book with cartoon photographs.

If we educate kids enough and then give the ones who are going to have sex anyways the means to actually have safe sex then it would hopefully put a dent in this problem.