[thecavemaster]

HOW TO BE A PROFESSIONAL LIBERTARIAN: A HANDY GUIDE TO HAVING YOUR IDEAS GRACE THE FINEST POLITICAL JOURNALS

Step 1
Take any statement about any progressive program created at any point in the last hundred years:

*"State run health care takes healthy people to provide care for the sick."
*"Affirmative action means to give racial minorities social advantage."
*"Women are trying to be paid equally with men."

Step 2
Add an exclamation point:

*"State run health care takes healthy people to provide care for the sick!"
*"Affirmative action means to give racial minorities social advantage!"
*"Women! Are trying to be paid equally with men!"

[ronald_reagan]

HOW TO BE A PROFESSIONAL LIBERTARIAN: A HANDY GUIDE TO HAVING YOUR IDEAS GRACE THE FINEST POLITICAL JOURNALS

Step 1
Take any statement about any progressive program created at any point in the last hundred years:

*"State run health care takes healthy people to provide care for the sick."
*"Affirmative action means to give racial minorities social advantage."
*"Women are trying to be paid equally with men."

Step 2
Add an exclamation point:

*"State run health care takes healthy people to provide care for the sick!"
*"Affirmative action means to give racial minorities social advantage!"
*"Women! Are trying to be paid equally with men!"

I 'think' I agree 100%. Not for sure though.

[ronald_reagan]

I never understood why people hate libertarians?

they take the best of both parties and mix them into the most principled party possible.

Ron Paul is just absolutely amazing, although he's no Neal Boortz.

I just wish Libertarians were tougher on terror/border security, anti-abortion. Ron Paul is an exception with regards to the latter.

[thecavemaster]

Take an idea that seemingly espouses a concept of justice or equality: women deserve equal pay for equal work. I would guess the overwhelming majority of Americans would assent to that notion. However, add an exclamation point... in other words, if the government has anything to do with establishing that concept as codified law, rally the troops with fear, with loathing of socialism, with whatever it takes to "keep government out of the lives of the people"... no matter how good the idea, or how greased the corporations keep the hindquarters of the citizenry by bankrolling and wining and dining its politicians...

[ronald_reagan]

I'm assuming that you're referring to the ERA when you speak of pay?

Everyone, libertarian, liberal, conservative.... that I've ever had the pleasure or displeasure of meeting, wants equal pay for men and women when they equally perform @ a specific job or job title. However... most use the ERA as grounds for implementing such guidelines.

The ERA is the most destructive piece of legislation (amendment even), that this nation could possibly go through in the near term future. And looks to be most damaging to the very people it is supposed to 'help'.

[thecavemaster]

I'm assuming that you're referring to the ERA when you speak of pay?

Everyone, libertarian, liberal, conservative.... that I've ever had the pleasure or displeasure of meeting, wants equal pay for men and women when they equally perform @ a specific job or job title. However... most use the ERA as grounds for implementing such guidelines.

The ERA is the most destructive piece of legislation (amendment even), that this nation could possibly go through in the near term future. And looks to be most damaging to the very people it is supposed to 'help'.

Was not referring explicitly to ERA... simply the concept of "equal pay for equal work" that is not a quid pro quo kind of thing, as "equality" does not necessarily mean in this capacity exact duplication. You apparently trust that human beings, when left to choose between self-interest (money) and real justice and equity, will choose the latter. I do not, nor does it seem to me that the bulk of human history reinforces that supposition. I do not hate libertarians, as that would be silly; I do disagree vehemently with a lot of their ideas, as I think their view of human nature is foolish.

[ronald_reagan]

Was not referring explicitly to ERA... simply the concept of "equal pay for equal work" that is not a quid pro quo kind of thing, as "equality" does not necessarily mean in this capacity exact duplication. You apparently trust that human beings, when left to choose between self-interest (money) and real justice and equity, will choose the latter. I do not, nor does it seem to me that the bulk of human history reinforces that supposition. I do not hate libertarians, as that would be silly; I do disagree vehemently with a lot of their ideas, as I think their view of human nature is foolish.

I think the fundamental disagreement between you and I is over the nature of humanity. I believe man to be good... you disagree.

But the ERA as I stated, which would be required to enforce 'equal work, equal pay'........ is the worst thing possible...

[thecavemaster]

I wasn't talking about ERA, simply equal pay for equal work. When I was young, I thought all people were good. In the fires of early manhood, I thought all human beings were evil. In these days, I see that all human beings are an incredible and mysterious mixture of good and evil.

[ronald_reagan]

I wasn't talking about ERA, simply equal pay for equal work. When I was young, I thought all people were good. In the fires of early manhood, I thought all human beings were evil. In these days, I see that all human beings are an incredible and mysterious mixture of good and evil.

Well, you can't talk equal pay for equal work without an ERA.

[thecavemaster]

Yes, you can.

[ronald_reagan]

Yes, you can.

I'm not for sure that its a constitutional right. What ruling has set the precedent?