[#1TigerFan]

I will not name names at this time. But if you want to push the issue it could be very embarrising for some folks. After the season is over, then I will tell you what I know. I realize that recruiting is a harsh word, but you of all people know that when a school basically has pick of City and County and surrounding County players for years then you are going to have good teams. Maybe a better word would be Key "transfers" over the years. I give coach Runyon credit for his longevity and success and a great program. But, I do not believe he is the best coach in the region. I believe he is a good coach whom has been blessed with some of the most talented players that ever came out out of the mountains. You can be the best coach in the world, but without the players to get the job done you dont win the Sweet Sixteen. IMO the best coach is a coach whom may not have the best of players year in year out but always gets the most out of them. JMO

Did it ever occur to you, that PERHAPS those "Transfers" who were "recruited" just WANTED to play for BMR? I know that if I was an elementary/Middle school student choosing a high school, esp in Eastern Kentucky where there are so many, that I would take one look at coaching stats and styles and know beyond the shadow a doubt that BMR would be one of the BEST to help me develop myself as a player and as coach.

OR, more importantly, when choosing a high school, I would definately look for one where I would get a quality education. Now, pulling data from www.education.ky.gov and comparing any school contiguous (that means touching) Johnson County, I would consider the following scores:

Paintsville Ind 86.6
Johnson Central 78.3
Betsy Layne 68.9
Allen Central 68.2
South Floyd 66.9
Prestonsburg 64.3
Magoffin 62.4
Lawrence County 62.1
Sheldon Clark 55.55

http://www.education.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres...rtHigh.pdf

This is the actual folder scores were taken from. Please see the academic index (cumulative score) in the end column.

Now, before anyone accuses BMR of anything, they need to take in the BIG picture! He will develop you as a player, you will get a GREAT education (95% transition to post secondary schools), and you can attend a high school with a LONG tradition of excellence. Most importantly, you can attend a school where the teachers care, parents care, and you always feel like one family. At present, in the high school alone, there are numerous graduates working there because they CARE. Yes, they could make more money elsewhere, but they choose to be at PHS!! So THANK YOU JR, Coach Ratliff, both Mrs. Ratliffs, Coach Runyon, Coach Baldwin, Coach Ward, Mr. Auxier, Mr. Brown, Mrs. Wiley, Mrs. Glenna, Mrs. Howard, Mrs. Austin, Mr. Rice, and Coach VanHoose! Thank you for caring enough to take the paycut to see PHS be what it is (this list only counts those working in the building of PHS- not the elementary). :Cheerlead

I apologize for the long post, but this issue gets me everytime!!

[hornet84]

I agree that Coach Runyon is the best coach in the 15th Region. Athough we have been on opposite sides for many years, give credit where credit is due. It is hard to argue with those stats. The most impressive thing for me was the number of games that he won when his teams did not have the best talent in the region. I agree that it is far easier to win with talent, but having a boat load of talent can cause you totally different problems. He has handled both situations well.

[OffTheHook]

Bmr

[THE LISTENER]

IMO MR Bill Mike Runyon all alone at the top of the 15th
Johnny Martin next

[The Governor]

Did it ever occur to you, that PERHAPS those "Transfers" who were "recruited" just WANTED to play for BMR? I know that if I was an elementary/Middle school student choosing a high school, esp in Eastern Kentucky where there are so many, that I would take one look at coaching stats and styles and know beyond the shadow a doubt that BMR would be one of the BEST to help me develop myself as a player and as coach.

OR, more importantly, when choosing a high school, I would definately look for one where I would get a quality education. Now, pulling data from www.education.ky.gov and comparing any school contiguous (that means touching) Johnson County, I would consider the following scores:

Paintsville Ind 86.6
Johnson Central 78.3
Betsy Layne 68.9
Allen Central 68.2
South Floyd 66.9
Prestonsburg 64.3
Magoffin 62.4
Lawrence County 62.1
Sheldon Clark 55.55

http://www.education.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres...rtHigh.pdf

This is the actual folder scores were taken from. Please see the academic index (cumulative score) in the end column.

Now, before anyone accuses BMR of anything, they need to take in the BIG picture! He will develop you as a player, you will get a GREAT education (95% transition to post secondary schools), and you can attend a high school with a LONG tradition of excellence. Most importantly, you can attend a school where the teachers care, parents care, and you always feel like one family. At present, in the high school alone, there are numerous graduates working there because they CARE. Yes, they could make more money elsewhere, but they choose to be at PHS!! So THANK YOU JR, Coach Ratliff, both Mrs. Ratliffs, Coach Runyon, Coach Baldwin, Coach Ward, Mr. Auxier, Mr. Brown, Mrs. Wiley, Mrs. Glenna, Mrs. Howard, Mrs. Austin, Mr. Rice, and Coach VanHoose! Thank you for caring enough to take the paycut to see PHS be what it is (this list only counts those working in the building of PHS- not the elementary). :Cheerlead

I apologize for the long post, but this issue gets me everytime!!

Excellent.

[BeaverCreek Connection]

Did it ever occur to you, that PERHAPS those "Transfers" who were "recruited" just WANTED to play for BMR? I know that if I was an elementary/Middle school student choosing a high school, esp in Eastern Kentucky where there are so many, that I would take one look at coaching stats and styles and know beyond the shadow a doubt that BMR would be one of the BEST to help me develop myself as a player and as coach.

OR, more importantly, when choosing a high school, I would definately look for one where I would get a quality education. Now, pulling data from www.education.ky.gov and comparing any school contiguous (that means touching) Johnson County, I would consider the following scores:

Paintsville Ind 86.6
Johnson Central 78.3
Betsy Layne 68.9
Allen Central 68.2
South Floyd 66.9
Prestonsburg 64.3
Magoffin 62.4
Lawrence County 62.1
Sheldon Clark 55.55

http://www.education.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres...rtHigh.pdf

This is the actual folder scores were taken from. Please see the academic index (cumulative score) in the end column.

Now, before anyone accuses BMR of anything, they need to take in the BIG picture! He will develop you as a player, you will get a GREAT education (95% transition to post secondary schools), and you can attend a high school with a LONG tradition of excellence. Most importantly, you can attend a school where the teachers care, parents care, and you always feel like one family. At present, in the high school alone, there are numerous graduates working there because they CARE. Yes, they could make more money elsewhere, but they choose to be at PHS!! So THANK YOU JR, Coach Ratliff, both Mrs. Ratliffs, Coach Runyon, Coach Baldwin, Coach Ward, Mr. Auxier, Mr. Brown, Mrs. Wiley, Mrs. Glenna, Mrs. Howard, Mrs. Austin, Mr. Rice, and Coach VanHoose! Thank you for caring enough to take the paycut to see PHS be what it is (this list only counts those working in the building of PHS- not the elementary). :Cheerlead

I apologize for the long post, but this issue gets me everytime!!

Thank you for making my point. It kinda brought a tear to my eye, talking about everyone taking paycuts because they care. Care about what? If it is the kids they care about then why dont they take thier expertise and teach at the lower scoring schools. Now that would really impress someone. As far as your indexes go, they are often manipulated. I will tell you one index I would like to see; the average income of the parents of your students compared to the rest of the county(s). By the way; I know what contiguous means, not all non-Paintsville people are dumb a _ _ _ _. I have had several educators tell me that the scoring system is a joke anyway. I'm not buying the "smarter kids only go to Paintsville" argument. So, finally the real issue comes to the top-its just a Paintsville thing. You have to be born in it to understand it. So there you go, an opposing view to the kingdom. I wonder if anyone else has the guts to speak thier opinion.

[J. R. VanHoose]

I wonder if anyone else has the guts to speak thier opinion.

I did. What is your response to my arguments?

[Armchair QB]

Mr. BeaverCreek this thread ask who is the best coach in the 15th region. Maybe I over looked it, but I have yet to see who your pick is.

Mine is BMR by the way.

[#1TigerFan]

Thank you for making my point. It kinda brought a tear to my eye, talking about everyone taking paycuts because they care. Care about what? If it is the kids they care about then why dont they take thier expertise and teach at the lower scoring schools. Now that would really impress someone. As far as your indexes go, they are often manipulated. I will tell you one index I would like to see; the average income of the parents of your students compared to the rest of the county(s). By the way; I know what contiguous means, not all non-Paintsville people are dumb a _ _ _ _. I have had several educators tell me that the scoring system is a joke anyway. I'm not buying the "smarter kids only go to Paintsville" argument. So, finally the real issue comes to the top-its just a Paintsville thing. You have to be born in it to understand it. So there you go, an opposing view to the kingdom. I wonder if anyone else has the guts to speak thier opinion.

First of all, test scores are not all there is, but they are a good INDICATOR. That's why you take the ACT to get into college. As far as manipulating them, the state calculates them, not the school and the state is the friend of no one. Furthermore, not all the smartest go to PHS. We have our share of the other end, and I know some pretty smart cookies from other schools. BUT, our teachers care to make a difference and give 110% everyday. You don't like Paintsville and that's obvious. However, to address your arguement that our teachers don't care enough to teach at lower scoring schools ~~ OUR TEACHERS CARE! They care about family. And FAMILY IS ALWAYS FIRST! But the thread is off topic now!

[J. R. VanHoose]

We hear of threads like these year after year. Some people pick coaches who are having a good year, others call for the removal of those who are not far removed from having good years and being praised. I know I played for Paintsville and I work for him, but Coach Runyon is the best coach in the region hands down and has accomplished more than any coach in the history of the 15th Region.

Accomplishments (off the top of my head - I will get more if needed):

493 wins (25 years as head coach - 19.7 wins a year)
7 15th Region Titles
4 KHSAA "Sweet 16" Final Four Appearances
2 KHSAA "Sweet 16" Championship Game Appearances
1 KHSAA "Sweet 16" State Championship (1996)
6 15th Region All "A" Titles
2 All "A" Classic State Final Four Appearances
1 All "A" Classic State Championship Appearance
8 Division 1 Signees
2 Mr. Basketball's

Let me change two stats:

495 wins
7 15th Region All "A" Titles

[EKY Sportster]

Beavercreekconnection is full of criticism (aka jealousy) apparently. He does seem more interested in speaking against BMR than telling us who he really thinks is the best coach or who these so called recruited players are that come to Paintsville. I for one would like to know!!:popcorn:

[Redneck]

Coach Runyon no doubt. I wouldn't have wanted to play for anyone else and still to this day wouldn't. After coach Runyon it would have been Danny Adams, then Johnny Martin.

[J. R. VanHoose]

I would still like to know BCC's response to my post, in response to his.

[ducky]

This best coach stuff is a bunch of bull**** anyway. All of these guys put in valuable time away from their families and you know why???? They love the challenge...Some win and some lose but does that make them less of a man?? I don't think so!!!!

[Baller3]

Thank you for making my point. It kinda brought a tear to my eye, talking about everyone taking paycuts because they care. Care about what? If it is the kids they care about then why dont they take thier expertise and teach at the lower scoring schools. Now that would really impress someone. As far as your indexes go, they are often manipulated. I will tell you one index I would like to see; the average income of the parents of your students compared to the rest of the county(s). By the way; I know what contiguous means, not all non-Paintsville people are dumb a _ _ _ _. I have had several educators tell me that the scoring system is a joke anyway. I'm not buying the "smarter kids only go to Paintsville" argument. So, finally the real issue comes to the top-its just a Paintsville thing. You have to be born in it to understand it. So there you go, an opposing view to the kingdom. I wonder if anyone else has the guts to speak thier opinion.

Here's another view

[Baller3]

Thank you for making my point. It kinda brought a tear to my eye, talking about everyone taking paycuts because they care. Care about what? If it is the kids they care about then why dont they take thier expertise and teach at the lower scoring schools. Now that would really impress someone. As far as your indexes go, they are often manipulated. I will tell you one index I would like to see; the average income of the parents of your students compared to the rest of the county(s). By the way; I know what contiguous means, not all non-Paintsville people are dumb a _ _ _ _. I have had several educators tell me that the scoring system is a joke anyway. I'm not buying the "smarter kids only go to Paintsville" argument. So, finally the real issue comes to the top-its just a Paintsville thing. You have to be born in it to understand it. So there you go, an opposing view to the kingdom. I wonder if anyone else has the guts to speak thier opinion.

Here's another view from outside the "kingdom." I wasn't born into in but I do understand it. Actually I'm from another state so I can have an honest opinion about it. I know I'm also new to this site but I guarantee I've watched more basketball games than you and if you think there is a better coach than Coach Runyon in the 15th Region then you don't know what you are talking about. Yes there are other very good coaches but they just don't compare. 24 years? Almost 500 wins at a small school. You stated in an earlier post that the best coach gets the most out of his players when the talent is not there. I will guarantee you that no matter how much talent Paintsville has every opponent knows they will have their hands full because no matter how much talent Coach Runyon has they play their butts off and are always a threat to win any given night. The more appropriate question should be who is the second best coach in the 15th Region?

[BeaverCreek Connection]

Here's another view from outside the "kingdom." I wasn't born into in but I do understand it. Actually I'm from another state so I can have an honest opinion about it. I know I'm also new to this site but I guarantee I've watched more basketball games than you and if you think there is a better coach than Coach Runyon in the 15th Region then you don't know what you are talking about. Yes there are other very good coaches but they just don't compare. 24 years? Almost 500 wins at a small school. You stated in an earlier post that the best coach gets the most out of his players when the talent is not there. I will guarantee you that no matter how much talent Paintsville has every opponent knows they will have their hands full because no matter how much talent Coach Runyon has they play their butts off and are always a threat to win any given night. The more appropriate question should be who is the second best coach in the 15th Region?

Just curious, how in the world could you possibly know how many basketball games I have watched. In all honesty I figure I was watching High School basketball before you were born! I have a difference of opinion than you, so you wont change my mind and I wont change yours-pure and simple. I will not mention whom I think the best coach is because he would be subject to discussion that would not benefit him under these circumstances. Again, I do not base the best coach on his record of wins and losses. Again, I will say that unless you have the big time players you dont win. Just ask Rick Pitino or Tubby.

[BeaverCreek Connection]

I would still like to know BCC's response to my post, in response to his.

JR, I would be glad to respond to your post. I dont disagree with anything you had to say. I respect you and your acomplishments as a player. We just disagree in some areas of opinion. But thats OK with me. I dont blame you for defending your coach and school. Everyone will not agree with you about your coach or school. Some will and some will not! I have voiced my opinion and had my say, so have many other folks. As I told the other poster, we wont change each other's minds and now is the time to move on. Hopefully, we can agree to disagree and be gentlemen about it. I wish you only the best!

[J. R. VanHoose]

JR, I would be glad to respond to your post. I dont disagree with anything you had to say. I respect you and your acomplishments as a player. We just disagree in some areas of opinion. But thats OK with me. I dont blame you for defending your coach and school. Everyone will not agree with you about your coach or school. Some will and some will not! I have voiced my opinion and had my say, so have many other folks. As I told the other poster, we wont change each other's minds and now is the time to move on. Hopefully, we can agree to disagree and be gentlemen about it. I wish you only the best!

I agree with you about not changing each others opinions and respect your answer. I agree, let's be civil and move on, it was a good discussion!!! Thanks for the debate!

[Playboy5]

J.R. VanHoose, I have never got to meet you and have always been a fan of yours and your style of play, and just wanted to tell you that you seem like a GREAT guy who is very respected and respectful to others!

[J. R. VanHoose]

J.R. VanHoose, I have never got to meet you and have always been a fan of yours and your style of play, and just wanted to tell you that you seem like a GREAT guy who is very respected and respectful to others!

Thanks, I really appreciate it. There are some on here, actually just one (Homer Simpson), who like to try and give me a hard time about anything that I say or anything that I support - check the thread on the history of the Paintsville Program to see one example. But, things like that do not bother me. Being respectful and civil is something that I always try to do. Opinions can be hard to change and people should realize that. That is what makes for good, colorful debates and interesting conversations!!!

[Playboy5]

My brother (TidesHoss32) calls you Mr.History, lol!

[J. R. VanHoose]

My brother (TidesHoss32) calls you Mr.History, lol!

I'll tell you what, I feel like that sometimes. History is something that I love to study and love to research. I could spend hours reading or researching something about a moment in history!! Tell your brother I said thanks!!!

[Batpuff]

Well I think that Lawrence Co.'s Coach Randy Anderson needs to be in this list. He has only been at Lawrence Co. for 6 years now but look at what he has done with the Boys Basketball program. He has turned it around 100 %. And the thing is he has turned it around with not a lot of basketball talent but just great athletes. He has even won the District once and runner up once in the 16th region. And as you all know thats with the likes of Boyd, Ashland, and Rose Hill. in the district. He also has a State Title under his belt when he coached at Tolsia High school in WVA.

So he may not be the BMR's of the world but he is pretty darn close in my book. Plus you couldnt ask for a better person to talk with about anything. He has so much impact on these kids life as do all the coaches.

[Big Jim]

Thanks, I really appreciate it. There are some on here, actually just one (Homer Simpson), who like to try and give me a hard time about anything that I say or anything that I support - check the thread on the history of the Paintsville Program to see one example. But, things like that do not bother me. Being respectful and civil is something that I always try to do. Opinions can be hard to change and people should realize that. That is what makes for good, colorful debates and interesting conversations!!!

J,

I always find it interesting that someone on the outside of the situation can have such a firm opinion on something. If people had any idea of the residual of affect of the things you learn when working with a guy like Coach Runyon every day, he'd understand, that it's no coincidence that his former players are his most ardent supporters.

Furthermore, people understand the weight of all the things beyond the on the court accomplishments and how those things, alone, draw a distinction between Coach Runyon and other guys. Throw out the fact that his on court coaching success dwarfs any 15th region coach for who knows how long if ever.

The only thing some represent is some cryptic veiled reference of some rumor they've probably heard that, just so happens, to be what they wan't to believe. At worst, a spinning of whatever actual events taht led one to act as if they are setting on the release of the sealed Kennedy files.

T

[Playboy5]

I'll tell you what, I feel like that sometimes. History is something that I love to study and love to research. I could spend hours reading or researching something about a moment in history!! Tell your brother I said thanks!!!

Will do!