Should Hammond be fired at SCHS

tubbyhater1 · 12-28-2006, 08:13 PM

RED

i say in no way because lets face his kids play hard and the superintendent only wants to play politics. Hammond won the district title in 2004 and made it to the semifinals of the regional tournament. Whie his record may not be the best his teams play hard. A coach can only do with what he has and the talent level has dropped in Martin County. Its a shame that he is being placed under fire and does not deserve the treatment or having that much pressure on him

B-BallMOM · 12-28-2006, 08:56 PM

I think the players should have some say in it, what ever is best for the team.

**JOBAKKA** · 12-28-2006, 09:03 PM

B-BallMOM Wrote:I think the players should have some say in it, what ever is best for the team.

I think you just defined the problem.

**Benchwarmer** · 12-28-2006, 10:03 PM

tubbyhater1 Wrote:RED

i say in no way because lets face his kids play hard and the superintendent only wants to play politics. Hammond won the district title in 2004 and made it to the semifinals of the regional tournament. Whie his record may not be the best his teams play hard. A coach can only do with what he has and the talent level has dropped in Martin County. Its a shame that he is being placed under fire and does not deserve the treatment or having that much pressure on him

You are a tubbyhater. The statement you just made sounds just like everything that tubby is going through. Confused

hh:

Cookie Crisp · 12-28-2006, 11:52 PM

lol benchwarmer....SC won a game tonight against sf but thats not sayin much

~~Old school Dawg~~ · 12-28-2006, 11:55 PM

The superintentent is the one needing run off.Have they ever had someone in that position that was woth a nickle?They would still have matney if they had a good superintentent

ducky · 12-29-2006, 12:46 AM

According to Bobby Bowden their are two kinds of coaches. Those that have been fired and those that are waiting to be fired. Coaching is a no win situation.

~~Old school Dawg~~ · 12-29-2006, 12:47 AM

ducky Wrote:According to Bobby Bowden their are two kinds of coaches. Those that have been fired and those that are waiting to be fired. Coaching is a no win situation.

Good post Ducky

**Redneck** · 12-29-2006, 01:04 AM

Hammond isn't the one out there shooting the ball, playing defense or getting rebounds. So I say NO he shouldn't be fired.

12-29-2006, 02:05 AM

oh yea

Nascar99 · 12-29-2006, 03:41 AM

I think the board needs to stay out of the "coaching" department...get real...u have boys with talent and boys without...not the coachs problem...he doe his best with what he has..............win a season or 2...lose a season or 2.............

Prep Star · 12-29-2006, 05:35 AM

Old school Dawg Wrote:The superintentent is the one needing run off.Have they ever had someone in that position that was woth a nickle?They would still have matney if they had a good superintentent

Umm, yeah SC has had a decent coach. Back during the mid 90's a fellow by the name of Sam Sparks was the head coach and was did a damn good job too. Politics played a role even then as he was fired just after one season. And if memory serves me right, he was the region coach of the year.

~~Old school Dawg~~ · 12-29-2006, 07:48 AM

I played with Sam at lawrence Co.

braves_fan_10 · 12-29-2006, 10:41 AM

Redneck Wrote:Hammond isn't the one out there shooting the ball, playing defense or getting rebounds. So I say NO he shouldn't be fired.

i agree he doesnt do all those things but he does have to teach them to do those things...So pretty much what your saying is no team needs a coach because the coach doesnt play so why would you need one....So im not really following you.

Hoops Lover · 12-29-2006, 11:24 AM

The question that may need to be asked is: Do his teams get better during the season? Can you see improvement?? If you can then he is doing a solid job...if not.....

Meade · 12-29-2006, 11:27 AM

Redneck Wrote:Hammond isn't the one out there shooting the ball, playing defense or getting rebounds. So I say NO he shouldn't be fired.

Yea thats not very logical. Hammond does the best he can alot of talent has moved out of martin county due to how crappy the school system is IMO and that has hurt him.

The Blue Blur · 12-29-2006, 02:12 PM

Benchwarmer Wrote:You are a tubbyhater. The statement you just made sounds just like everything that tubby is going through.hh:

Tubby is not under the same sort of fire. Tubby fell into a fine situation at UK, and has ran the program into the ground. Unlike Tubby, Hammonds don't get to pick who comes and plays for him. Tubby has the Kentucky tradition to throw into his recruiting, and still can't win guys over. He'd rather have a McDonald's All-American like Crawford, rather than someone like Chris Lofton. The in-state kid who was Mr. Basketball and has elevated the Vols game to where they can now play with UK. I'm sure he wishes he could give himself a swift kick in the hind end for it now, so instead someone like Barnhardt should do it for him. Back to the topic, I don't know anything about SC basketball or the current condition of the school system. I do know that, in the 57th your job could be in jeparody at anytime. The only two constants that come to mind are BMR and Danny Adams. Remember, a coach won the district a couple of years back, lead his team to the regional finals and still got das boot.

Gorn · 12-29-2006, 02:43 PM

tubbyhater1 Wrote:RED

i say in no way because lets face his kids play hard and the superintendent only wants to play politics. Hammond won the district title in 2004 and made it to the semifinals of the regional tournament. Whie his record may not be the best his teams play hard. A coach can only do with what he has and the talent level has dropped in Martin County. Its a shame that he is being placed under fire and does not deserve the treatment or having that much pressure on him

I agree with you 100%

Gorn · 12-29-2006, 02:48 PM

Old school Dawg Wrote:The superintentent is the one needing run off.Have they ever had someone in that position that was woth a nickle?They would still have matney if they had a good superintentent

Do you even know the superintendents name? I DOUBT IT. If you knew anything about the Martin County School Board, or Martin County Politics, you'd clearly see that the main concern is money, and not what's best for the kids.

Matney in no way left because of the superintendent. That's plum retarded. He was offered a pretty mighty contract at Central, and wanted to explore some opportunities he'd been given.

Are you saying that the town is sad Matneys gone? If so, you are crazy. Coach Hager is the classiest coach to ever come to Martin County, and the kid's have WAY MORE of a connection to him, then they ever would of to Matney.

Not only that bubby, but superintendent Blackburn just came into office recently.

Gorn · 12-29-2006, 02:52 PM

braves_fan_10 Wrote:i agree he doesnt do all those things but he does have to teach them to do those things...So pretty much what your saying is no team needs a coach because the coach doesnt play so why would you need one....So im not really following you.

Are we going to have this argument again?
You can teach fundamentals, but you can't teach talent. Let's look at a certain 6'7 senior, who is the worst basketball and football player we've ever seen. He's been playing since Elementary, and look where he's at (in both sports)..
You know who i'm talking about.
You can't teach talent, you can only perfect it. And let's face, there's not been much talent to "perfect" at SCHS since the '90s.

My point exactly.

NEXT · 12-29-2006, 07:09 PM

Gorn Wrote:Are we going to have this argument again?
You can teach fundamentals, but you can't teach talent. Let's look at a certain 6'7 senior, who is the worst basketball and football player we've ever seen. He's been playing since Elementary, and look where he's at (in both sports)..
You know who i'm talking about.
You can't teach talent, you can only perfect it. And let's face, there's not been much talent to "perfect" at SCHS since the '90s.

My point exactly.

It all starts at the middle school level - and you guys don't have much in terms of coaching at that level

**Redneck** · 12-29-2006, 07:24 PM

braves_fan_10 Wrote:i agree he doesnt do all those things but he does have to teach them to do those things...So pretty much what your saying is no team needs a coach because the coach doesnt play so why would you need one....So im not really following you.

NO I'm not saying teams don't need coaches. I'm saying that SC is just down this year, no coach could take that team and win. He won the district in 04' with a good group of boys, they got beat out (actually got screwed) in regions. Hammonds is a good coach, I hated playin against them, but he is a good coach. SC would be dumb to fire him, who would they replace him with, Ervin Stepp.

~~Old school Dawg~~ · 12-29-2006, 10:15 PM

braves_fan_10 Wrote:i agree he doesnt do all those things but he does have to teach them to do those things...So pretty much what your saying is no team needs a coach because the coach doesnt play so why would you need one....So im not really following you.

I think he means he can help them with their shooting,their conditioning,fundementals,but they have to perform on their own.No one can do it for them.

~~Old school Dawg~~ · 12-29-2006, 10:18 PM

Gorn Wrote:Are we going to have this argument again?
You can teach fundamentals, but you can't teach talent. Let's look at a certain 6'7 senior, who is the worst basketball and football player we've ever seen. He's been playing since Elementary, and look where he's at (in both sports)..
You know who i'm talking about.
You can't teach talent, you can only perfect it. And let's face, there's not been much talent to "perfect" at SCHS since the '90s.

My point exactly.

I agree Gorn,,sometimes teams have players with little or no talent and even Adolph Rupp couldnt make things any better.Kids need to spend more times playing instead of playing it on their computers.

Meade · 12-30-2006, 01:56 AM

Hammond isn't the one to blame he does the best he can. I can't think of anyone who could do any better. When hammond has had the talent to win he has won.

~~Old school Dawg~~ · 12-30-2006, 01:54 PM

Gorn Wrote:Do you even know the superintendents name? I DOUBT IT. If you knew anything about the Martin County School Board, or Martin County Politics, you'd clearly see that the main concern is money, and not what's best for the kids.

Matney in no way left because of the superintendent. That's plum retarded. He was offered a pretty mighty contract at Central, and wanted to explore some opportunities he'd been given.

Are you saying that the town is sad Matneys gone? If so, you are crazy. Coach Hager is the classiest coach to ever come to Martin County, and the kid's have WAY MORE of a connection to him, then they ever would of to Matney.

Not only that bubby, but superintendent Blackburn just came into office recently.

I bet you were a thumb sucker,,,hehe:moon:

~~Old school Dawg~~ · 12-30-2006, 01:57 PM

I do know all about your goofy political arena over there in the school system.I never said one word about Hager either.I too,, think he is a heck of a coach.Your too easy pal.Every school system has people who suck up to the superintentent no matter who it is or how pathetic they are.Now I know one personally.:letsparty

Tricky · 12-30-2006, 09:39 PM

If they are considering replacing him...They need to make sure that they get one better. Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. And it turn out to be worse than what you had.

However I have been playing and watching basketball for a long time and I don't agree with the statement that the talent has been down at Sheldon Clark. Yes, the 2004 team won the District after getting a scare from Paintsville in the opening round. Brandon May's Sophmore and Junior years Sheldon Clark had teams capable of winning regional Titles and flopped on both of those.

Last Year they had Johnson Central ( 15th Region Champs ) all but beat in their opening game of the District and came out in the second half and wouldn't quit throwing up wild shots instead of running offense and taking away time on the clock.
This is a direct reflection of the head coach.

cards_athlete · 12-30-2006, 10:02 PM

Tricky Wrote:If they are considering replacing him...They need to make sure that they get one better. Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. And it turn out to be worse than what you had.

However I have been playing and watching basketball for a long time and I don't agree with the statement that the talent has been down at Sheldon Clark. Yes, the 2004 team won the District after getting a scare from Paintsville in the opening round. Brandon May's Sophmore and Junior years Sheldon Clark had teams capable of winning regional Titles and flopped on both of those.

Last Year they had Johnson Central ( 15th Region Champs ) all but beat in their opening game of the District and came out in the second half and wouldn't quit throwing up wild shots instead of running offense and taking away time on the clock.
This is a direct reflection of the head coach.

I completely agree Tricky.

*Coeus* · 12-31-2006, 12:05 AM

Redneck Wrote:NO I'm not saying teams don't need coaches. I'm saying that SC is just down this year, no coach could take that team and win. He won the district in 04' with a good group of boys, they got beat out (actually got screwed) in regions. Hammonds is a good coach, I hated playin against them, but he is a good coach. SC would be dumb to fire him, who would they replace him with, Ervin Stepp.

Redneck, does he do a good job with his boys in the off-season? Does he put in the time that he should?