PHS Offense "WHAT THE"

Dcrazy12 · 10-14-2006, 03:22 PM

What happened to the good ole days when pikeville teams were done by halftime? Pikeville has widely been known for their dominance on offense as long as I can remember. By air or by land, the Pikeville offense was difficult to control. Just think about the stats and the players who put up those stats; Greg Hackney, Steve Bailey, Murray Garvin, Jody Brown, Jason Howard, Brent Coleman, Bobby and Eddie Deramus, I mean come on. As in recent years; Ben Howard, Jeremiah Akers, Chase Gibson, Matt Branham, Barrett Rogers, Paul Sullivan, Pikeville has had no problem on the offensive side. Somebody please tell me what in the world has happened to the maroon and white on offense!

Dcrazy12 · 10-14-2006, 03:55 PM

Oh yeah, all the past offenses were always geared by a high powered offensive line. Pikeville has all the personel to put up the same kind of numbers, but nobody to point them in the right direction...

**FOX SPORTS** · 10-14-2006, 04:06 PM

Dcrazy12 Wrote:Oh yeah, all the past offenses were always geared by a high powered offensive line. Pikeville has all the personel to put up the same kind of numbers, but nobody to point them in the right direction...

I disagree.
Pikeville does not have anywhere close to the same size line, either in stature or quantity that those previous guys had to run behind.

**Beef** · 10-14-2006, 04:12 PM

Also, I believe that it is the way that Jackson coaches. He likes to run the ball and substain long drives. Doing so allows the Panthers to get fewer chances to score.

Dcrazy12 · 10-14-2006, 04:19 PM

Pikeville has some very strong kids on their O line u don't know what your talking about. Beef, you are right , but in the big game it will cause them to get beat

Dcrazy12 · 10-14-2006, 04:22 PM

Also Beef you say he likes to run, but every game he tries to throw.

**Beef** · 10-14-2006, 04:26 PM

Well, you can't run every play. And in the first half, PHS was 4-4 with 80 yards through the air.

**FOX SPORTS** · 10-14-2006, 04:26 PM

Dcrazy12 Wrote:Pikeville has some very strong kids on their O line u don't know what your talking about

Pikeville has TOO FEW very strong kids on the o line...I didn't say they don't have any.
Pikeville doesn't have the number of, nor the size of previous lines.
BTW, I do know what I am talking about...I've been around the program for over 30 years and I don't wear maroon colored glasses.

Dcrazy12 · 10-14-2006, 05:05 PM

The point is they had better get something going or season after season is going to be miserable for players, and fans. If you have been around the program for 30 years, you should be able to tell this isn't the way pikeville football is played. Stupid plays and stupid play calls!!

Dcrazy12 · 10-14-2006, 05:10 PM

Trick play after trick play, what happened to just lining up and playing smashmouth football. It is the most predictable offense that I have ever seen

**FOX SPORTS** · 10-14-2006, 05:24 PM

Dcrazy12 Wrote:The point is they had better get something going or season after season is going to be miserable for players, and fans. If you have been around the program for 30 years, you should be able to tell this isn't the way pikeville football is played. Stupid plays and stupid play calls!!

And my point is part of the problem with Pikeville football is there are no longer the quantity of big lineman.
The play and play calling statements you make are your opinion.
You have identified the problem(in your opinion), What is your solution???
What type of offense would you run behind a smallish(as a whole) front line???
The avg size(according the Pikeville roster) of a Pikeville o lineman 5'10 220lb

kysportsguru · 10-14-2006, 05:32 PM

well maybe jackson should ask Saunders At SV how he scores will a small O-Line cause it looks like it working out for him, and SV's starting center is only 5'10 160 lbs.

Old Timer · 10-14-2006, 05:38 PM

kysportsguru Wrote:well maybe jackson should ask Saunders At SV how he scores will a small O-Line cause it looks like it working out for him, and SV's starting center is only 5'10 160 lbs.

And how big are their guards and tackles???
BTW, You will never hear of Jackson or many other hs coaches asking advise from Saunders unless it's " How does a coach get run off every two years?"

Dcrazy12 · 10-14-2006, 05:47 PM

fox sports Wrote:And my point is part of the problem with Pikeville football is there are no longer the quantity of big lineman.
The play and play calling statements you make are your opinion.
You have identified the problem(in your opinion), What is your solution???
What type of offense would you run behind a smallish(as a whole) front line???
The avg size(according the Pikeville roster) of a Pikeville o lineman 5'10 220lb

Any offense is better than what Jackson is running at Pikeville, I mean two side-saddled backs, behind the back handoffs, taking the handoff on the hip; anything would be more effective than that. You've got three stud backs in the Honakers and Harmon, and quality talent on the outside with Jacod Sword and the Jackson kid, so pick your poison. Line up in the old school wishbone, or spread it out with four wide. The power-I, maryland-I, or a twins based offense would suit their talent better than what they are doing now. Now, with that line they probably wouldn't put up huge numbers as Pikeville teams in the past, but they're disciplined enough to get the job done and control the tempo of the game. The defense is getting it done on that side, and if the offense could comfortably put up on average 24-28 ppg with a different offense, that should be more than enough to win the game. All Jackson's accomplishing with his offense right now is saying that there isn't any other offense we can run, and we're going to have to rely on "trickaration" to get the job done. It's pathetic, embarrassing, and utterly a shame to the Pikeville tradition.

Old Timer · 10-14-2006, 06:03 PM

Dcrazy12 Wrote:but they're disciplined enough to get the job done and control the tempo of the game. .

I don't think this Pikeville team has ANY discipline. None.
Procedure calls, Unsportsmanlike conduct, etc....pretty undisciplined if you ask me.
Pikeville needs a leader on the field and I don't see one. Pikeville misses JM Mayo in more ways than one.

~~PantherPride68~~ · 10-14-2006, 06:23 PM

Its our attitude that scares me, this is 2 weeks in a row now that weve came out flat as a pancake, playing uninspired and with no emotion. Then when Jenkins(and phelps) made a game we finally got fired up and started playing. Some of these kids need to be taught that wearing that Maroon jersey is not what scared teams to death back in the day, it was the heart and determination the boys wearing those jerseys played with is what made this program great and the only thing that will make it great again.

**Beef** · 10-14-2006, 06:39 PM

Isn't this "trickeration" what Jackson has always run? Even before he came to PHS?

kysportsguru · 10-15-2006, 12:35 AM

well OLD TIMER for your info about everywhere Saunders has been he's been there for 3+ yrs. except for last year when he was in TENN. coaching, and the only reason why he left that school and come to SV is because he wanted to be closer to his family, cause his daughter goes to school in VA. So thats why he left that program after 1 yr.

Getum-Choppin · 10-15-2006, 03:49 AM

fox sports Wrote:And my point is part of the problem with Pikeville football is there are no longer the quantity of big lineman.
The play and play calling statements you make are your opinion.
You have identified the problem(in your opinion), What is your solution???
What type of offense would you run behind a smallish(as a whole) front line???
The avg size(according the Pikeville roster) of a Pikeville o lineman 5'10 220lb

Go back to Pikeville football, Go back to the wishbone.
You got 3 good backs, Run the option and Belly, Like Hillard did.
Your Line is don't have to be real big, Their always down blocking and gap blocking. 3 Good backs, Run the Bone with a veer offense, Now you put your O-line in a position where they dont have to fire off and whip people.

Getum-Choppin · 10-15-2006, 03:58 AM

3 good backs=Wishbone
Not so big O-line = Run outside veer, Their down blocking now, They have the angle advantage now, Don't have to fire off and drive block.
Run Power, Double team with your TE and tackle, lead 2 backs on the D-end.
Then come back and counter power with Counter trey(GT) Now your other good back gets involved and pull your smaller,quicker backside guard and tackle. Playside blocks down.

**Playboy5** · 10-15-2006, 09:27 AM

I know the Veer Offense WORE US OUT when I played them from 1992-1996 with Coleman and Deramus and they used someone else but I am not sure of the name..

Old Timer · 10-15-2006, 09:10 PM

kysportsguru Wrote:well OLD TIMER for your info about everywhere Saunders has been he's been there for 3+ yrs. except for last year when he was in TENN. coaching, and the only reason why he left that school and come to SV is because he wanted to be closer to his family, cause his daughter goes to school in VA. So thats why he left that program after 1 yr.

And why did he leave JJ Kelley High School in Wise???
I believe there are newspaper articles.

Also, How long was he at Va Tech??

**Beef** · 10-16-2006, 01:12 AM

Enough on Saunders guys....this is about Pikeville!!

Thanks

Jimmy Dugan · 10-16-2006, 01:31 AM

i know this is kind of off topic, but when daniel harmon is a senior he will be the best back in class A football. Possibly as a junior.

bigpun · 10-16-2006, 07:16 AM

personnel just doesnt seem to be there for a throwing offense. imo they should stick to what has worked all year.... the running attack. perfect it and throw when absolutely necessary. the pikeville faithful will get unrested real quick if things arent turned around real quick.

Boomer86 · 10-16-2006, 12:10 PM

Pikevilles offense really suprised me on how much it had lost. I would say that I think they should throw the ball more, but I guess when you lose your star quarterback it makes it hard.

All-American Lineman · 10-16-2006, 12:21 PM

The offense works at times but its not the best for a pikeville team

Highlander · 10-16-2006, 05:23 PM

[QUOTE=Dcrazy12]Trick play after trick play, what happened to just lining up and playing smashmouth football. It is the most predictable offense that I have ever seen[/QUOTE

Thats for sure......]

UrBoi · 10-16-2006, 05:51 PM

For any Class A school that loses its starter early in the season its going to be hard for anyone traditionally to step in and fill their shoes. Normally they practice with one guy all summer long, get their times down, and comfortable with one another. Thats a major disadvantage compared to being in 3A or 4A.

Tomcat52 · 10-16-2006, 06:37 PM

I have to believe Pikeville's decline (both offensively and defensively) has more to do with the coaching process than with the loss of one player (albeit a good, intelligent one) or the supposed lack of physical attributes of the linemen. There are some good sized boys on the team especially compared with the local class A competion. I am absolutely sure more players would be on the team if they felt a connect with the system now in place.