[SEKYFAN]

He certainly left no doubt on his alliance to Putin, even echoing Putin in calling for Zelensky's ouster.   I know that Trump is old, but surely he hasn't forgotten that Russia invaded Ukraine.   I'm interested in how the Trump followers will spin this.

Trump’s slam of Zelensky is a remarkable moment in US foreign policy

On Tuesday, Trump wrongly accused Ukraine of starting the conflict and parroted another Moscow talking point in saying that the Ukrainian president should hold an election that was suspended because his country is in a state of war, under daily attack from Moscow’s forces.

[jetpilot]

He certainly left no doubt on his alliance to Putin, even echoing Putin in calling for Zelensky's ouster.   I know that Trump is old, but surely he hasn't forgotten that Russia invaded Ukraine.   I'm interested in how the Trump followers will spin this.

Trump’s slam of Zelensky is a remarkable moment in US foreign policy

On Tuesday, Trump wrongly accused Ukraine of starting the conflict and parroted another Moscow talking point in saying that the Ukrainian president should hold an election that was suspended because his country is in a state of war, under daily attack from Moscow’s forces.

You keep forgetting to post a link to your fake news far-left propaganda sites. Everything Trump says about Zelensky is true.

"Elections are bad" is another idiotic take libtards have been forced to adopt by their libtard TV sets. I don't know how far my IQ would have to fall before I would want the Ukraine war to stay on the same path as the prior administration; that is, epic fail. Actually I do know - very very far.

[plantmanky]

Wasnt Ukraine part of Russian at one point? Was that after WWII or before?

[Old School Hound]

Wasnt Ukraine part of Russian at one point?  Was that after WWII or before?

Yes, at different times in history. Most recently, at the end of WWI, up until the Soviet Union dissolved in '91. If a couple of folks on here have their way, Russia will own Ukraine again in 2025.

[jetpilot]

Wasnt Ukraine part of Russian at one point?  Was that after WWII or before?

Yes, at different times in history. Most recently, at the end of WWI, up until the Soviet Union dissolved in '91. If a couple of folks on here have their way, Russia will own Ukraine again in 2025.

Nobody wants that, nor will it happen. Either poor reading comprehension or dishonesty.
Still waiting for suggestions on solutions from liberals on how to end the war, but as always no solutions will be coming from them.

[plantmanky]

Simple solution is to stop being the world police until the world holds up their end of the deal.

or,

you wont like my or.

[jetpilot]

Sending hundreds of billions of taxpayers' dollars to get all those innocent people killed in an unwinnable war is like the opposite of being world police.

[SEKYFAN]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...2567&ei=97

GOP Congressman Refutes Trump Point by Point, Gets Roasted by MAGA


“Putin started this war. Putin committed war crimes. Putin is the dictator who murdered his opponents,” Bacon wrote. “The EU nations have contributed more to Ukraine. Zelensky polls over 50%. Ukraine wants to be part of the West, Putin hates the West.

[jetpilot]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...2567&ei=97

GOP Congressman Refutes Trump Point by Point, Gets Roasted by MAGA


“Putin started this war. Putin committed war crimes. Putin is the dictator who murdered his opponents,” Bacon wrote. “The EU nations have contributed more to Ukraine. Zelensky polls over 50%. Ukraine wants to be part of the West, Putin hates the West.

1. Wakes up
2a. Stretches 2b. scratches bolz
3. finds some propaganda to cut and paste that fools no one

[SEKYFAN]

Donald Trump's Favorite Newspaper Calls His Ukraine Proposal 'Despicable'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...3e71&ei=17

The outlet wrote of Trump's proposed deal, "Indeed, as a share of GDP it looks to be harsher than what the victorious allies imposed on Germany in the Peace of Versailles after World War I," and added that, "To squeeze the war-crippled country for all we can, simply because we can, would be despicable."


The Post also wrote that "helping Ukraine defend itself from Vladimir Putin's illegal, barbaric invasion was the right thing to do" and that "there is the possibility for a deal that leaves Ukraine's dignity intact and benefits both parties

In a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, Daniel Fried, the former U.S. ambassador to Poland, wrote: "From the often Trump-friendly ⁦@nypost, a first-rate take down of the Trump administration's predatory demand for Ukraine's resources."

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...2567&ei=97

GOP Congressman Refutes Trump Point by Point, Gets Roasted by MAGA


“Putin started this war. Putin committed war crimes. Putin is the dictator who murdered his opponents,” Bacon wrote. “The EU nations have contributed more to Ukraine. Zelensky polls over 50%. Ukraine wants to be part of the West, Putin hates the West.

1. Wakes up
2a. Stretches 2b. scratches bolz
3. finds some propaganda to cut and paste that fools no one

So you are saying that these GOP Lawmakers did not make these statements?

[jetpilot]

Donald Trump's Favorite Newspaper Calls His Ukraine Proposal 'Despicable'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...3e71&ei=17

The outlet wrote of Trump's proposed deal, "Indeed, as a share of GDP it looks to be harsher than what the victorious allies imposed on Germany in the Peace of Versailles after World War I," and added that, "To squeeze the war-crippled country for all we can, simply because we can, would be despicable."


The Post also wrote that "helping Ukraine defend itself from Vladimir Putin's illegal, barbaric invasion was the right thing to do" and that "there is the possibility for a deal that leaves Ukraine's dignity intact and benefits both parties

In a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, Daniel Fried, the former U.S. ambassador to Poland, wrote: "From the often Trump-friendly ⁦@nypost, a first-rate take down of the Trump administration's predatory demand for Ukraine's resources."

---

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...2567&ei=97

GOP Congressman Refutes Trump Point by Point, Gets Roasted by MAGA


“Putin started this war. Putin committed war crimes. Putin is the dictator who murdered his opponents,” Bacon wrote. “The EU nations have contributed more to Ukraine. Zelensky polls over 50%. Ukraine wants to be part of the West, Putin hates the West.

1. Wakes up
2a. Stretches 2b. scratches bolz
3. finds some propaganda to cut and paste that fools no one

So you are saying that these GOP Lawmakers did not make these statements?

Your reading comprehension skills are nonexistent. It says Congressman. Anybody who is lazy and dumb can cut and paste any idiotic take that makes them feel better. The idiotic takes you cut and paste all go the same way and fool nobody.

[Hoot Gibson]

Europe's aid to Ukraine was made in the form of loans. Trump is just trying to recover some of the hush money that Biden sent to Ukraine. Maybe Musk and Trump will figure out who got over half the money that Ukraine claims was never received.

[SEKYFAN]

Donald Trump's Favorite Newspaper Calls His Ukraine Proposal 'Despicable'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...3e71&ei=17

The outlet wrote of Trump's proposed deal, "Indeed, as a share of GDP it looks to be harsher than what the victorious allies imposed on Germany in the Peace of Versailles after World War I," and added that, "To squeeze the war-crippled country for all we can, simply because we can, would be despicable."


The Post also wrote that "helping Ukraine defend itself from Vladimir Putin's illegal, barbaric invasion was the right thing to do" and that "there is the possibility for a deal that leaves Ukraine's dignity intact and benefits both parties

In a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, Daniel Fried, the former U.S. ambassador to Poland, wrote: "From the often Trump-friendly ⁦@nypost, a first-rate take down of the Trump administration's predatory demand for Ukraine's resources."

---

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...2567&ei=97

GOP Congressman Refutes Trump Point by Point, Gets Roasted by MAGA


“Putin started this war. Putin committed war crimes. Putin is the dictator who murdered his opponents,” Bacon wrote. “The EU nations have contributed more to Ukraine. Zelensky polls over 50%. Ukraine wants to be part of the West, Putin hates the West.

1. Wakes up
2a. Stretches 2b. scratches bolz
3. finds some propaganda to cut and paste that fools no one

So you are saying that these GOP Lawmakers did not make these statements?

Your reading comprehension skills are nonexistent. It says Congressman. Anybody who is lazy and dumb can cut and paste any idiotic take that makes them feel better. The idiotic takes you cut and paste all go the same way and fool nobody.

So you are still saying that Don Bacon, a Republican Congressman from Nebraska did not make this statement?  You have listened to Trump so much that you have learned to dodge and lie like your master.  Bacon is high on my list of Gop lawmakers since he is willing to accept the threats that will come his way by speaking the truth.  Is that what you want our Country to become?

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Sen. Thom Tillis (R-North Carolina) told CNN, "Make no mistake about it: That invasion was the responsibility of one human being on the face of this planet. It was Vladimir Putin in a calculation to go through Ukraine and not stop there, to go through Moldova, to go through the Balkans, to ultimately go to the Baltic states and send the signal to China that now is the time that they can take action in the South China Sea."

CNN's Lauren Fox quoted Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) as saying, "I do not agree that President Zelensky is to blame in any way. This was a rogue invasion by Russia."

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) disagreed with Trump as well, telling reporters, "I would certainly never (refer to) President Zelensky as a dictator."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...0e8f&ei=28


Here are some quotes from other GOP Lawmakers.

[jetpilot]

Collins and Murkowski lol.
We need smarter liberals on here smh.

[Hoot Gibson]

It's amazing how our resident self-proclaimed communist and fake former Republican believe that invoking the names of Trump haters such as Liz Cheney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Mitch McConnell, or Adam Kinzinger prove that Trump is wrong about anything. Cheney and Kinzinger are would-be felons with a questionable pardons in their pockets. Murkowski gives AOC, Mazie Hirono, and Hank Johnson a run for their money for the title of the dumbest member of Congress. McConnell is a crooked politician who hates Trump for exposing the corrupt system that he has helped support for nearly 50 years.

I put Susan Collins in a separate category. As a Republican from a blue state, I think she does what she needs to do to remain electable. The alternative to Collins is probably a left-wing Democrat, so I believe she deserves some slack from Republicans lucky enough to live in red states.

I believe that Trump is playing hardball with Zelensky and made the statement about Ukraine starting the way as a negotiating ploy. Ukraine was a very corrupt country before the war and they remain very corrupt. I do not believe Trump thinks that Ukraine started the war. I place blame for the war in rank order on:

1. Russia - Russia had a choice to invade or not.

2. Joe Biden - Biden's statement that the U.S. would not strongly oppose a "minor incursion" by Russia was either idiotic or was made to entice Russia into invading Ukraine. Ukraine has been very, very generous to the Biden family and there is no reason to believe that Ukraine has not been paying the family kickbacks on all of the foreign aid that Biden has provided with no strings attached.

3. Ukraine - Zelensky did not exercise good judgment when he began pushing for entry into NATO. When Russia began amassing troops along the border, Zelensky should have withdrawn the NATO membership proposal if Ukraine was not prepared to defeat Russia in an all out war.

Trump has proven that he is a skilled negotiator. He is making a great effort to recover some of the many billions of dollars that Biden threw to Ukraine with no strings and no oversight. Europe provided loans to Ukraine for the war effort. Unfortunately, the U.S. did not have a president for four years. If the presidency had not been vacant, then maybe our aid to Ukraine would also have been in the form of secured loans.

[jetpilot]

Great post Hoot and with no cut and paste no less lol.
Only thing I would add is Putin says there were biolabs close to Ukraine/Russia border and that played a part in the war also.
Also, all aid money must be audited.

I have no idea why Americans have been brainwashed into hating Russia. People with room temperature and above IQs now understand the whole Russia thing from Trump's first term was nothing but a pack of lies. 99.9% of Russians and Americans don't want war with each other but that's where the Biden administration was taking us. I'm glad Trump and Putin are talking. It would take a fool to think that's a bad thing.

[Hoot Gibson]

Great post Hoot and with no cut and paste no less lol.
Only thing I would add is Putin says there were biolabs close to Ukraine/Russia border and that played a part in the war also.
Also, all aid money must be audited.

I have no idea why Americans have been brainwashed into hating Russia. People with room temperature and above IQs now understand the whole Russia thing from Trump's first term was nothing but a pack of lies. 99.9% of Russians and Americans don't want war with each other but that's where the Biden administration was taking us. I'm glad Trump and Putin are talking. It would take a fool to think that's a bad thing.

There are good people everywhere - even in countries ruled by Muslims. Some of my favorite Youtubers are Russians, including some who have friends and family in Ukraine. Many fled Russia to avoid spilling Ukrainian blood, but the people of both Russia and Ukraine deserve better governments, just as Americans deserved a better government that Biden and his crooked puppeteers provided us for the past four years.

I agree that all aid money must be audited, but the people who were shoveling money to Ukraine were not wanting to have the spending audited, so it may be very difficult to hold people accountable for the spending. Trump is right about kickbacks. Anytime that money is spent with little or no oversight, it is almost certainly spent to evade accountability and facilitate the payment of kickbacks. I think that Trump has a pretty good idea which politicians and donors most likely had their hands in the Ukrainian cookie jar, so maybe their accounts can be audited.

[King Kong]

Great post Hoot and with no cut and paste no less lol.
Only thing I would add is Putin says there were biolabs close to Ukraine/Russia border and that played a part in the war also.
Also, all aid money must be audited.

I have no idea why Americans have been brainwashed into hating Russia. People with room temperature and above IQs now understand the whole Russia thing from Trump's first term was nothing but a pack of lies. 99.9% of Russians and Americans don't want war with each other but that's where the Biden administration was taking us. I'm glad Trump and Putin are talking. It would take a fool to think that's a bad thing.

There are good people everywhere - even in countries ruled by Muslims. Some of my favorite Youtubers are Russians, including some who have friends and family in Ukraine. Many fled Russia to avoid spilling Ukrainian blood, but the people of both Russia and Ukraine deserve better governments, just as Americans deserved a better government that Biden and his crooked puppeteers provided us for the past four years.

I agree that all aid money must be audited, but the people who were shoveling money to Ukraine were not wanting to have the spending audited, so it may be very difficult to hold people accountable for the spending. Trump is right about kickbacks. Anytime that money is spent with little or no oversight, it is almost certainly spent to evade accountability and facilitate the payment of kickbacks. I think that Trump has a pretty good idea which politicians and donors most likely had their hands in the Ukrainian cookie jar, so maybe their accounts can be audited.

Some of my favorite youtubers are from Ukraine and maybe Russians.  They go out in the forest and build cabins with limited supplies.  They're good at.  That's a hobby of mine as well building stuff like that.  I've learned a lot watching those videos. 

I agree with Trump,  I don't think that war would've happened under his watch.  I'm glad he's trying to end it.  Almost everyone else in the picture, has had three years to try to come up with a way to end the war.  They've done nothing.

[Old School Hound]

I blame Trump for kissing Russia's ass.

[jetpilot]

I blame Trump for kissing Russia's ass.

I blame the idiots for getting all the people killed and blowing 100s of billions of dollars no one can account for and having no path forward...like you.

[Patriot1]

I believe Russia started the war but Biden wouldn’t try to stop because his son got all the money from and rich person in Russia but now after 3 years of fighting Ukraine is going to lose some territory or the war is going to continue and the president of Ukraine is probably rich enough now he could care less if they do in an article today they said how many estates he had bought in another country and probably from tax payer money and you can bet some of our politicians got rich on this war both democrats and republicans just my 2 cents

[jetpilot]

I believe Russia started the war but Biden wouldn’t try to stop because his son got all the money from and rich person in Russia but now after 3 years of fighting Ukraine is going to lose some territory or the war is going to continue and the president of Ukraine is probably rich enough now he could care less if they do in an article today they said how many estates he had bought in another country and probably from tax payer money and you can bet some of our politicians got rich on this war both democrats and republicans just my 2 cents

What is the path forward, nobody has one except Trump

[jetpilot]

Elon Musk

@elonmusk
Every bleeding-heart liberal I talk to about the Russia-Ukraine war wants to keep feeding bodies into the meat grinder forever.

They have no plan for success.

Superficial empathy, not real empathy

[jetpilot]

Elon is being nice. Idiots. Still waiting for a path forward from any lib on here. Surely the cut and paste wizard SEKY can find something. Haha nah...

[Old School Hound]

I blame the Orange Marmalade Mussolini for the likely fall of Western Civilization.

Hard to believe that so many Republicans(many of whom call themselves Christian) have come under the influence, and worship , a lifelong liberal Democrat con artist , bigot, and rapist. Well, now that I think about it, maybe it's not so hard to believe.

[jetpilot]

https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/header_photo

[Old School Hound]

Elon is being nice. Idiots. Still waiting for a path forward from any lib on here. Surely the cut and paste wizard SEKY can find something. Haha nah...

The only path forward depends on how soon we get to witness the demise of Trump.

Mitch and I agree wholeheartedly on that.

[jetpilot]

So you've got nothing as always. Shocker.