[16BBall Fan]

Final. A little closer than I thought it would be.

[Old School Hound]

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[The Red Eminence]

This was closer than I thought it would be. What happened with Corbin? They won and congratulations to them, but I expected a larger margin.

[Old School Hound]

Unimaginative play calling and no real running game. It was almost as if WF had returned from the great beyond and was calling plays. Corbin's running back is a guy I could stop for no gain. They need to spread the offense and let Elam go wild. That's the only way they stay within 4 TDs of Ashland, Paducah, or Boyle. Corbin looks to be headed for another third round exit. Just a really stale ight on offense. The defense still can't stop the run consistently. Three more weeks til Corbin basketball.

[SEKYFAN]

The offense was hampered by penalties all night. Have to clean that up.

There were 2 penalties called on a Corbin possession and I' must not understand the rules or the officials totally messed it up. Corbin had it 1st and ten and were called for holding on the play and pulaski was flagged for a personal foul after the play. They marked off the penalties and then gave Corbin a loss of down making it 2nd and 5. Corbin's staff argued the call eventually getting another 5 yard penalty for a sideline infraction. What's the correct call?

[PurelyASpectator]

The offense was hampered by penalties all night.  Have to clean that up.

There were 2 penalties called on a Corbin possession and I' must not understand the rules or the officials totally messed it up.  Corbin had it 1st and ten and were called for holding on the play and pulaski was flagged for a personal foul after the play.  They marked off the penalties and then gave Corbin a loss of down making it 2nd and 5.  Corbin's staff argued the call eventually getting another 5 yard penalty for a sideline infraction.  What's the correct call?

If it was the way you described it, no, that’s not all the way correct. Having a live ball foul followed by a dead ball foul means both are enforced and in order. 10 yards, then 15 yards would make it 5 yards to the line to gain. Losing a down is incorrect. It should have been 1st and 5. If the officials called a sideline warning, that’s all it is - a warning. UNLESS, they had called one previously. The second sideline warning is a 5 yard penalty. In this case, that 5 yards would result in a first down.

[TD Hounds]

The offense was hampered by penalties all night.  Have to clean that up.

There were 2 penalties called on a Corbin possession and I' must not understand the rules or the officials totally messed it up.  Corbin had it 1st and ten and were called for holding on the play and pulaski was flagged for a personal foul after the play.  They marked off the penalties and then gave Corbin a loss of down making it 2nd and 5.  Corbin's staff argued the call eventually getting another 5 yard penalty for a sideline infraction.  What's the correct call?

If you understood the rules to be that it should have been off setting penalties and the down should have been replayed with Corbin having the ball 1st and 10 then me and you both must not understand the rules….Even though holding is 10 yards and a Personal Foul is 15 yards they typically offset and replay the down, at least that’s the way I’ve always read it and seen it enforced….Someone needs to tell Bart this ain’t the blindside we don’t always want to run the dang ball….

[PurelyASpectator]

The offense was hampered by penalties all night.  Have to clean that up.

There were 2 penalties called on a Corbin possession and I' must not understand the rules or the officials totally messed it up.  Corbin had it 1st and ten and were called for holding on the play and pulaski was flagged for a personal foul after the play.  They marked off the penalties and then gave Corbin a loss of down making it 2nd and 5.  Corbin's staff argued the call eventually getting another 5 yard penalty for a sideline infraction.  What's the correct call?

If it was the way you described it, no, that’s not all the way correct. Having a live ball foul followed by a dead ball foul means both are enforced and in order. 10 yards, then 15 yards would make it 5 yards to the line to gain. Losing a down is incorrect. It should have been 1st and 5. If the officials called a sideline warning, that’s all it is - a warning. UNLESS, they had called one previously. The second sideline warning is a 5 yard penalty. In this case, that 5 yards would result in a first down.

My apologies, I got the teams backwards in the first message. The 5 yard sideline warning against Corbin would make it 1st and 10 at the previous spot, not a new set of downs. Should have gone like this:

1st down, live ball holding on Corbin. Makes it 1st and 20
Dead ball personal foul on PC. That moves the ball up 15, making it first and 5. 
If this was the first sideline warning on Corbin, should have been no enforcement. If it was the second one, that 5 yard penalty would move the ball back to the previous line of scrimmage (since both teams have been penalized 15 yards). 
Should be 1st and 10 for Corbin at the original line of scrimmage after all the enforcements.

[Old School Hound]

The optimist in me says Corbin and Bart doesn't want to give Ashland anything new or creative or exciting to study on game film. The pessimist in me says that Guy Lewellyn and Bart Elam couldn't coach themselves out of a wet paper bag. Corbin's season ends three weeks from tonight.

[Hound05]

For some reason I thought a dead ball personal foul was an automatic first down? I could be wrong… but that’s what I had in my mind. Either way, there was no way 2nd down was the right call!

PC is a good team. Not sure why everyone was expecting a blowout. They have size, speed, heck of a young QB, and coaching.

[Old School Hound]

For some reason I thought a dead ball personal foul was an automatic first down? I could be wrong… but that’s what I had in my mind. Either way, there was no way 2nd down was the right call!

PC is a good team. Not sure why everyone was expecting a blowout. They have size, speed, heck of a young QB, and coaching.

I thought Corbin would win by a couple or three scores. Just figured they'd look a little better in doing so. Malachi has helped defensively but they are still vulnerable against both run and pass. Boyle could score 80 on us.  The offense was flat tonight. But you're right, Pulaski is a very respectable and well-coached team. I thought Corbin would win but would not have been shocked at a close outcome.  Still, Corbin's season ends in three weeks  if they don't take a quantum leap forward.

[PurelyASpectator]

For some reason I thought a dead ball personal foul was an automatic first down? I could be wrong… but that’s what I had in my mind. Either way, there was no way 2nd down was the right call!

PC is a good team. Not sure why everyone was expecting a blowout. They have size, speed, heck of a young QB, and coaching.

NFHS rules has only roughing the QB, holder, snapper, and kicker as automatic 1st down penalties. Definitely think that personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conducts should also carry first downs, but they don’t yet.

[Big Boomer]

My take away from tonight is I expected Pulaski to have a good game plan to slow the offense down and expose defensive flaws. if I was a guessing man Burns got a lot of great pointers going into this game from his good buddy Haddix. Pulaski had the bigger and even venture to say potentially better line than Corbin on both sides of the ball. but they always have a great line. I never felt like Corbin would lose the game from the start but I knew Pulaski had the horses to keep it close. I do think there was some conservative play call by the hounds Coaches to only show about half of what they can actually do and just check this game off and get dialed in for playoffs. they have one of the best scout teams in the state to practice with everyday I think that will show come playoffs. I think this was a great game to make this team get some sweat on their brow going into playoffs.

[MrBasketball78]

Only automatic first downs under NFHS rules involve roughing.

Roughing the passer, kicker, holder, snapper.

On the enforcement of the described penalty situation above: penalties only offset when they both happen during the play or they both happen after the play. Two live ball penalties offset. Two dead ball penalties offset. A live ball and a dead ball do not. They are both enforced. So both penalties should’ve been marked off..10 on the offense….15 on the defense…replay the down. 1st and 5. Sounds like the down being replayed is what was incorrect.

[CRK1]

Congrats Corbin!
Pulaski needs to learn to utilize their strengths and quit trying stuff that hasn't worked all year. If Pulaski runs between the tackles and methodically moves the ball down the field like they did right before half I think they are in it at the end with a chance. We just didn't have the speed to get the corner against Corbin's perimeter but for some reason we kept trying it. Live and learn, for what it's worth with the renovation's I heard about it can't wait to see what Corbin stadium looks like it's already an amazing facility but going to get better I hear.

[SportsBall82]

Pulaski was without some starters this game, including their starting center and QB. Without a passing threat, Corbin was able to load the box and limit Pulaski offensively. There were also a few calls that seemed to go against them at pivotal points. A Corbin punt that was said to have touched a Pulaski player when the ball neither changed direction, or drew attention from players on the field. A pass interference call on an interception with Corbin threatening to score. Those 2 calls resulted in a 3 TD swing. I feel that this game is different without those calls and a few of Pulaski’s key components on the field.

[fansville]

Pulaski was without some starters this game, including their starting center and QB. Without a passing threat, Corbin was able to load the box and limit Pulaski offensively. There were also a few calls that seemed to go against them at pivotal points. A Corbin punt that was said to have touched a Pulaski player when the ball neither changed direction, or drew attention from players on the field. A pass interference call on an interception with Corbin threatening to score. Those 2 calls resulted in a 3 TD swing. I feel that this game is different without those calls and a few of Pulaski’s key components on the field.

People always complain about calls at Corbin and a few other places but I rarely see the video clips. As they say, the eye in the sky don’t lie. Somebody post the 2 plays up because on the livestream it was hard to tell but looked like the punt could have hit the Pulaski player. As for the PI, I think that is the hardest call for an official in football but I couldn’t tell, most things looks like pass interference from a fan perspective.

The outcome is pretty much what I figured but I was surprised this wasn’t a higher scoring game for both teams. I expected double the score for both teams.

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Also great matchup up for both teams heading into the playoffs. I could definitely see both of these teams advancing to state semifinal with the right matchup in round 3

[Hound05]

For some reason I thought a dead ball personal foul was an automatic first down? I could be wrong… but that’s what I had in my mind. Either way, there was no way 2nd down was the right call!

PC is a good team. Not sure why everyone was expecting a blowout. They have size, speed, heck of a young QB, and coaching.

NFHS rules has only roughing the QB, holder, snapper, and kicker as automatic 1st down penalties. Definitely think that personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conducts should also carry first downs, but they don’t yet.

Wow!!! Well I learned something today. I guess that was the right call then. But yes, I’m with you. Any dead ball personal foul should be an automatic first down.

[King Kong]

Congrats Corbin!

Hey a win is a win.  Good building block for heading in the playoffs. 

You guys are definitely still in this thing OSH,  just gotta keep the faith 

If it's Corbin vs Ashland in round 3 it'll definitely be a good one.  I wouldn't mind watching that one myself.

[M00sejaw64]

Pulaski was without some starters this game, including their starting center and QB. Without a passing threat, Corbin was able to load the box and limit Pulaski offensively. There were also a few calls that seemed to go against them at pivotal points. A Corbin punt that was said to have touched a Pulaski player when the ball neither changed direction, or drew attention from players on the field. A pass interference call on an interception with Corbin threatening to score. Those 2 calls resulted in a 3 TD swing. I feel that this game is different without those calls and a few of Pulaski’s key components on the field.

Easily game changing calls. I wasn’t there and would like to see video clips of those as well. Heard same lines from other PC fans that were there.

Biased fans of course (like me), but those calls are also expected every time they play Corbin.

 I listened to most of the game, sounded like a circus to say the least.

Also was there an unsportsmanlike solo flag on Corbin, then just got picked up after quick discussion? 

Anywho, hope both mountain teams make a good showing in playoffs.