[Maga Nuts]

Should the American voter get to see what Trump tried to do before and on January 6 2021.

Trump wants release of Jan. 6 evidence against him blocked until after election (msn.com)

He is trying his best to keep the voters from seeing the evidence.

[Old School Hound]

I'm wondering how many times Joe Biden(& his Crime Family), Kamala Harris, and Hillary Clinton will be mentioned in this thread. Give me a dollar for each time one of those is mentioned and I'll retire comfortably. LOL

What do you think MAGA Nuts, do you think we should see the evidence against Tangerine Man?

[Maga Nuts]

Over time I have seen when you talk about the TRUTH or the FACTS the MAGA KLAN get a lot quieter or attempt to spin, duck, or dodge.

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Hoot and a lot of the other Bootlickers on this site have claimed the Biden and Harris administration are against fossil fuel when in FACT the oil and gas industries are breaking production records. They are for an ALL-ENERGY POLICY. Unlike in 2020 when over 108 oil companies filed bankruptcy under Trump.

https://www.cfo.com/news/bankruptcy-band...and%202023.

While Trump was begging OPEC and the Putin to stop drilling so much oil and gas.
Even Coal has done good under Biden and Harris.

---

Over time I have seen when you talk about the TRUTH or the FACTS the MAGA KLAN get a lot quieter or attempt to spin, duck, or dodge.

---

Hoot and a lot of the other Bootlickers on this site have claimed the Biden and Harris administration are against fossil fuel when in FACT the oil and gas industries are breaking production records. They are for an ALL-ENERGY POLICY. Unlike in 2020 when over 108 oil companies filed bankruptcy under Trump.

2020 was costliest year in history for oil company bankruptcy filings | OilNOW

While Trump was begging OPEC and the Putin to stop drilling so much oil and gas.
Even Coal has done good under Biden and Harris.

[Old School Hound]

^^^

Trump likes bankruptcies . Six of them , to date, I believe. Yet people still think he is a good businessman. If a good businessman is someone who doesn't pay his bills, then he's great.

[Maga Nuts]

^^^

Trump likes bankruptcies . Six of them , to date, I believe. Yet people still think he is a good businessman. If a good businessman is someone who doesn't pay his bills, then he's great.

Bootlickers

[Old School Hound]

^^^

Trump likes bankruptcies . Six of them , to date, I believe. Yet people still think he is a good businessman. If a good businessman is someone who doesn't pay his bills, then he's great.

Bootlickers

My good friend, Jet, would lick his Master's orange bathwater. He really would.

[Maga Nuts]

^^^

Trump likes bankruptcies . Six of them , to date, I believe. Yet people still think he is a good businessman. If a good businessman is someone who doesn't pay his bills, then he's great.

Bootlickers

My good friend, Jet, would lick his Master's orange bathwater. He really would.

If you could get Hoots head out of the way

[Hoot Gibson]

Over time I have seen when you talk about the TRUTH or the FACTS the MAGA KLAN get a lot quieter or attempt to spin, duck, or dodge.

---

Hoot and a lot of the other Bootlickers on this site have claimed the Biden and Harris administration are against fossil fuel when in FACT the oil and gas industries are breaking production records. They are for an ALL-ENERGY POLICY. Unlike in 2020 when over 108 oil companies filed bankruptcy under Trump.

https://www.cfo.com/news/bankruptcy-band...and%202023.

While Trump was begging OPEC and the Putin to stop drilling so much oil and gas.
Even Coal has done good under Biden and Harris.

---

Over time I have seen when you talk about the TRUTH or the FACTS the MAGA KLAN get a lot quieter or attempt to spin, duck, or dodge.

---

Hoot and a lot of the other Bootlickers on this site have claimed the Biden and Harris administration are against fossil fuel when in FACT the oil and gas industries are breaking production records. They are for an ALL-ENERGY POLICY. Unlike in 2020 when over 108 oil companies filed bankruptcy under Trump.

2020 was costliest year in history for oil company bankruptcy filings | OilNOW

While Trump was begging OPEC and the Putin to stop drilling so much oil and gas.
Even Coal has done good under Biden and Harris.

I am going to make a prediction, vector. You have already received one lifetime ban for your behavior. If you continue with the unprovoked name calling, your BGR reincarnation will be a short one. If you want to develop some rudimentary Google search skills, it is not difficult to find endless articles where Kamala, Biden, and the entire left wing of the Democrat Party make their desire to eliminate the use of fossil fuels sooner rather than later. You are so blinded with hatred for Donald Trump, you don't seem to be able to post anything other than attacks on him and personal attacks on his supporters. I urge you to diversify your posts beyond hate and try calmly discussing issues here from time to time. You're welcome.

(The above has been a public service message produced and sponsored by Hoot for an Honest America.)

[Ring'Em Up]

Dozens of Indian inspired restaurants within delivery distance of Arlington, Va, yet those locals are here enforcing lifetime bans on BGR.

[Hoot Gibson]

Dozens of Indian inspired restaurants within delivery distance of Arlington, Va, yet those locals are here enforcing lifetime bans on BGR.

I'm not sure what the connection between Indian restaurants and BGR is, but I do like good Indian food and you are right about the number of Indian restaurants in northern Virginia. Lots of good Thai, Vietnamese, and Korean restaurants nearby too.

As for enforcing lifetime bans, I think everybody deserves a second chance if they are willing to try harder not to be a nuisance. Moderators enforce bans and I have no desire to be a moderator. I just made a prediction. I can't even be certain that Maga Nuts is the reincarnation of vector, but if he isn't, then somebody is doing a great job impersonating him. Not a good way to spend one's time, IMO. I don't consider myself a local. I am just here because of the career opportunities. I will eventually make my way back home.

[Old School Hound]

Let me just say for the record that I am very thick-skinned, like an alligator or Gila Monster, perhaps. I am not bothered by anything anyone says about me. I'm mostly here for the entertainment and to make people laugh, every now and then. A tough-skinned liberal, Old School liberal, that's OSH. Now, tell me, BGR fans, why do you hate liberals like me? Why do you want to make me cry? :)

[Maga Nuts]

Over time I have seen when you talk about the TRUTH or the FACTS the MAGA KLAN get a lot quieter or attempt to spin, duck, or dodge.

---

Hoot and a lot of the other Bootlickers on this site have claimed the Biden and Harris administration are against fossil fuel when in FACT the oil and gas industries are breaking production records. They are for an ALL-ENERGY POLICY. Unlike in 2020 when over 108 oil companies filed bankruptcy under Trump.

https://www.cfo.com/news/bankruptcy-band...and%202023.

While Trump was begging OPEC and the Putin to stop drilling so much oil and gas.
Even Coal has done good under Biden and Harris.

---

Over time I have seen when you talk about the TRUTH or the FACTS the MAGA KLAN get a lot quieter or attempt to spin, duck, or dodge.

---

Hoot and a lot of the other Bootlickers on this site have claimed the Biden and Harris administration are against fossil fuel when in FACT the oil and gas industries are breaking production records. They are for an ALL-ENERGY POLICY. Unlike in 2020 when over 108 oil companies filed bankruptcy under Trump.

2020 was costliest year in history for oil company bankruptcy filings | OilNOW

While Trump was begging OPEC and the Putin to stop drilling so much oil and gas.
Even Coal has done good under Biden and Harris.

I am going to make a prediction, vector. You have already received one lifetime ban for your behavior. If you continue with the unprovoked name calling, your BGR reincarnation will be a short one. If you want to develop some rudimentary Google search skills, it is not difficult to find endless articles where Kamala, Biden, and the entire left wing of the Democrat Party make their desire to eliminate the use of fossil fuels sooner rather than later. You are so blinded with hatred for Donald Trump, you don't seem to be able to post anything other than attacks on him and personal attacks on his supporters. I urge you to diversify your posts beyond hate and try calmly discussing issues here from time to time. You're welcome.

(The above has been a public service message produced and sponsored by Hoot for an Honest America.)

You better watch your name calling Hoot.
All I know is the Biden and Harris administration have broken oil, and gas records the last 3 years your argument is foolish.

[Hoot Gibson]

Over time I have seen when you talk about the TRUTH or the FACTS the MAGA KLAN get a lot quieter or attempt to spin, duck, or dodge.

---

Hoot and a lot of the other Bootlickers on this site have claimed the Biden and Harris administration are against fossil fuel when in FACT the oil and gas industries are breaking production records. They are for an ALL-ENERGY POLICY. Unlike in 2020 when over 108 oil companies filed bankruptcy under Trump.

https://www.cfo.com/news/bankruptcy-band...and%202023.

While Trump was begging OPEC and the Putin to stop drilling so much oil and gas.
Even Coal has done good under Biden and Harris.

---

Over time I have seen when you talk about the TRUTH or the FACTS the MAGA KLAN get a lot quieter or attempt to spin, duck, or dodge.

---

Hoot and a lot of the other Bootlickers on this site have claimed the Biden and Harris administration are against fossil fuel when in FACT the oil and gas industries are breaking production records. They are for an ALL-ENERGY POLICY. Unlike in 2020 when over 108 oil companies filed bankruptcy under Trump.

2020 was costliest year in history for oil company bankruptcy filings | OilNOW

While Trump was begging OPEC and the Putin to stop drilling so much oil and gas.
Even Coal has done good under Biden and Harris.

I am going to make a prediction, vector. You have already received one lifetime ban for your behavior. If you continue with the unprovoked name calling, your BGR reincarnation will be a short one. If you want to develop some rudimentary Google search skills, it is not difficult to find endless articles where Kamala, Biden, and the entire left wing of the Democrat Party make their desire to eliminate the use of fossil fuels sooner rather than later. You are so blinded with hatred for Donald Trump, you don't seem to be able to post anything other than attacks on him and personal attacks on his supporters. I urge you to diversify your posts beyond hate and try calmly discussing issues here from time to time. You're welcome.

(The above has been a public service message produced and sponsored by Hoot for an Honest America.)

You better watch your name calling Hoot.
All I know is the Biden and Harris administration have broken oil, and gas records the last 3 years your argument is foolish.

What names have I called you, vector? I have shown you much more respect than you deserve, but that is what the rules require me to do.

[Maga Nuts]

Looks like the judge is going to release the wrongdoing Trump and his Bootlickers were involved in to stay in power. But how much of it will be redacted.
I think every decent law-abiding American voter should see how deep involved Trump was in his attempt to stay in power.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...e3176&ei=7

[SEKYFAN]

I'm wondering why they are fighting so hard to squash it if there is nothing to it???

Everything should be out in the open so that the voters can see the evidence and decide for themselves.  Otherwise Trump will continue to dodge justice until he either loses all his marbles or passes away.

[Hoot Gibson]

I'm wondering why they are fighting so hard to squash it if there is nothing to it???

Everything should be out in the open so that the voters can see the evidence and decide for themselves.  Otherwise Trump will continue to dodge justice until he either loses all his marbles or passes away.

Maybe because of the presumption of innocence in our legal system. Evidence is typically made public during a trial, where the defendant and his attorney, if he has retained counsel, can challenge the validity of the evidence before it is presented to a jury of their peers. Judges that release evidence during a political campaign deserve to be removed from the bench.

Aside from attempting to influence an election, a judge that releases evidence prior to a trial risks injecting bias into the potential pool of jurors. If you or a family member were charged with a crime, would you want the judge turning your trial into a circus and attempting to influence jurors before the trial even began?

[Maga Nuts]

I'm wondering why they are fighting so hard to squash it if there is nothing to it???

Everything should be out in the open so that the voters can see the evidence and decide for themselves.  Otherwise Trump will continue to dodge justice until he either loses all his marbles or passes away.

Maybe because of the presumption of innocence in our legal system. Evidence is typically made public during a trial, where the defendant and his attorney, if he has retained counsel, can challenge the validity of the evidence before it is presented to a jury of their peers. Judges that release evidence during a political campaign deserve to be removed from the bench.

Aside from attempting to influence an election, a judge that releases evidence prior to a trial risks injecting bias into the potential pool of jurors. If you or a family member were charged with a crime, would you want the judge turning your trial into a circus and attempting to influence jurors before the trial even began?

Did you get upset when Comey reopening the Hillary investigation 10 days before the 2016 election?
When we know it's been DOJ practice not to say anything unless they press charges

---

Judges don't go by DOJ policy's you should know that Hoot try to keep up.

---

Disclosures and Discovery ever hear of that Hoot I am sure you have but it doesn't fit your narrative in this case.

[Hoot Gibson]

I'm wondering why they are fighting so hard to squash it if there is nothing to it???

Everything should be out in the open so that the voters can see the evidence and decide for themselves.  Otherwise Trump will continue to dodge justice until he either loses all his marbles or passes away.

Maybe because of the presumption of innocence in our legal system. Evidence is typically made public during a trial, where the defendant and his attorney, if he has retained counsel, can challenge the validity of the evidence before it is presented to a jury of their peers. Judges that release evidence during a political campaign deserve to be removed from the bench.

Aside from attempting to influence an election, a judge that releases evidence prior to a trial risks injecting bias into the potential pool of jurors. If you or a family member were charged with a crime, would you want the judge turning your trial into a circus and attempting to influence jurors before the trial even began?

Did you get upset when Comey reopening the Hillary investigation 10 days before the 2016 election?
When we know it's been DOJ practice not to say anything unless they press charges

---

Judges don't go by DOJ policy's you should know that Hoot try to keep up.

---

Disclosures and Discovery ever hear of that Hoot I am sure you have but it doesn't fit your narrative in this case.

I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry, and I work closely with attorneys in my current career. I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about vector. Discovery has nothing to do with releasing evidence to the general public before a trial. Zero. Time waster.

[Maga Nuts]

I'm wondering why they are fighting so hard to squash it if there is nothing to it???

Everything should be out in the open so that the voters can see the evidence and decide for themselves.  Otherwise Trump will continue to dodge justice until he either loses all his marbles or passes away.

Maybe because of the presumption of innocence in our legal system. Evidence is typically made public during a trial, where the defendant and his attorney, if he has retained counsel, can challenge the validity of the evidence before it is presented to a jury of their peers. Judges that release evidence during a political campaign deserve to be removed from the bench.

Aside from attempting to influence an election, a judge that releases evidence prior to a trial risks injecting bias into the potential pool of jurors. If you or a family member were charged with a crime, would you want the judge turning your trial into a circus and attempting to influence jurors before the trial even began?

Did you get upset when Comey reopening the Hillary investigation 10 days before the 2016 election?
When we know it's been DOJ practice not to say anything unless they press charges

---

Judges don't go by DOJ policy's you should know that Hoot try to keep up.

---

Disclosures and Discovery ever hear of that Hoot I am sure you have but it doesn't fit your narrative in this case.

I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry, and I work closely with attorneys in my current career. I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about vector. Discovery has nothing to do with releasing evidence to the general public before a trial. Zero. Time waster.

So now you are claiming the federal judge who is overseeing the Trump insurrection case has broken the law is that what you are telling everyone now?
Since you dodge, duck, and spin the Comey and Hillary question then that was all right with you.

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
Was it falsifying dust pumps?

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
If it was about falsifying dust pump, I don't see how you can sleep at night.

[Hoot Gibson]

I'm wondering why they are fighting so hard to squash it if there is nothing to it???

Everything should be out in the open so that the voters can see the evidence and decide for themselves.  Otherwise Trump will continue to dodge justice until he either loses all his marbles or passes away.

Maybe because of the presumption of innocence in our legal system. Evidence is typically made public during a trial, where the defendant and his attorney, if he has retained counsel, can challenge the validity of the evidence before it is presented to a jury of their peers. Judges that release evidence during a political campaign deserve to be removed from the bench.

Aside from attempting to influence an election, a judge that releases evidence prior to a trial risks injecting bias into the potential pool of jurors. If you or a family member were charged with a crime, would you want the judge turning your trial into a circus and attempting to influence jurors before the trial even began?

Did you get upset when Comey reopening the Hillary investigation 10 days before the 2016 election?
When we know it's been DOJ practice not to say anything unless they press charges

---

Judges don't go by DOJ policy's you should know that Hoot try to keep up.

---

Disclosures and Discovery ever hear of that Hoot I am sure you have but it doesn't fit your narrative in this case.

I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry, and I work closely with attorneys in my current career. I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about vector. Discovery has nothing to do with releasing evidence to the general public before a trial. Zero. Time waster.

So now you are claiming the federal judge who is overseeing the Trump insurrection case has broken the law is that what you are telling everyone now?
Since you dodge, duck, and spin the Comey and Hillary question then that was all right with you.

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
Was it falsifying dust pumps?

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
If it was about falsifying dust pump, I don't see how you can sleep at night.

If judges never made mistakes, then there would be no need for Courts of Appeal. Your thinly veiled effort to make me responsible for dust sampling tampering illustrates your ignorance in yet another area. Dust pumps were not "falsified," the allegations against small, family run coal mines involved what MSHA called abnormally white centers (AWCs) of dust samples. Testing revealed that AWCs could occur if the samples were dropped on a hard surface.

The federal government, during George H. W. Bush's term of office, used its limitless resources to coerce plea deals from small coal mine operators by threatening to take legal action against their family members. Many small operators had their mothers, fathers, and other family members listed as corporate officers, when in fact those people had nothing to do with the daily operations of the mines. When a corporation is formed, the owner must provide a list of officers for the corporation.

Large corporations could afford the lawyers necessary to fight the Bush administration, but lawfare can quickly bankrupt small mining companies. To avoid bankrupting the family, many operators who were involved in daily mining operations pled guilty and had their mine foreman licenses suspended to avoid having the federal government bankrupt their families. That is how federal law enforcement works, no matter which party controls the executive branch of the federal government. If they can bankrupt a defendant, then there is no need to prove criminal cases beyond reasonable doubt. They take coerced plea agreements to the media and declare that justice was done.

That is how dimwit politicians like Kamala Harris manage to use political positions such as District Attorney to launch political careers. That was not enough, in Kamala's case - she resorted to exchanging sexual favors for Williey Brown's influence to launch her career.

[Maga Nuts]

Maybe because of the presumption of innocence in our legal system. Evidence is typically made public during a trial, where the defendant and his attorney, if he has retained counsel, can challenge the validity of the evidence before it is presented to a jury of their peers. Judges that release evidence during a political campaign deserve to be removed from the bench.

Aside from attempting to influence an election, a judge that releases evidence prior to a trial risks injecting bias into the potential pool of jurors. If you or a family member were charged with a crime, would you want the judge turning your trial into a circus and attempting to influence jurors before the trial even began?

Did you get upset when Comey reopening the Hillary investigation 10 days before the 2016 election?
When we know it's been DOJ practice not to say anything unless they press charges

---

Judges don't go by DOJ policy's you should know that Hoot try to keep up.

---

Disclosures and Discovery ever hear of that Hoot I am sure you have but it doesn't fit your narrative in this case.

I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry, and I work closely with attorneys in my current career. I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about vector. Discovery has nothing to do with releasing evidence to the general public before a trial. Zero. Time waster.

So now you are claiming the federal judge who is overseeing the Trump insurrection case has broken the law is that what you are telling everyone now?
Since you dodge, duck, and spin the Comey and Hillary question then that was all right with you.

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
Was it falsifying dust pumps?

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
If it was about falsifying dust pump, I don't see how you can sleep at night.

If judges never made mistakes, then there would be no need for Courts of Appeal. Your thinly veiled effort to make me responsible for dust sampling tampering illustrates your ignorance in yet another area. Dust pumps were not "falsified," the allegations against small, family run coal mines involved what MSHA called abnormally white centers (AWCs) of dust samples. Testing revealed that AWCs could occur if the samples were dropped on a hard surface.

The federal government, during George H. W. Bush's term of office, used its limitless resources to coerce plea deals from small coal mine operators by threatening to take legal action against their family members. Many small operators had their mothers, fathers, and other family members listed as corporate officers, when in fact those people had nothing to do with the daily operations of the mines. When a corporation is formed, the owner must provide a list of officers for the corporation.

Large corporations could afford the lawyers necessary to fight the Bush administration, but lawfare can quickly bankrupt small mining companies. To avoid bankrupting the family, many operators who were involved in daily mining operations pled guilty and had their mine foreman licenses suspended to avoid having the federal government bankrupt their families. That is how federal law enforcement works, no matter which party controls the executive branch of the federal government. If they can bankrupt a defendant, then there is no need to prove criminal cases beyond reasonable doubt. They take coerced plea agreements to the media and declare that justice was done.

That is how dimwit politicians like Kamala Harris manage to use political positions such as District Attorney to launch political careers. That was not enough, in Kamala's case - she resorted to exchanging sexual favors for Williey Brown's influence to launch her career.

That didn't last long trying to ignore me. If you ask 100 retired coal miners that worked underground in a nonunion mine 99 would tell you YES coal operators cheat on their dust pumps. You are so Nieve it's not even the least funny. You are thinking that coal operators don't cheat on dust pumps is about as stupid it gets. If you are claiming, they don't then why are coal miners having so many double lungs transplant or dying. There would be no black lung if the operators didn't cheat it's that simple.
Trump has the right to appeal his case, and I say he probably already has but I don't believe the judge is that dumb like you claim she is.

---

By the way how do you sleep at night knowing you helped the coal operators cheat on their dust pumps.

[Hoot Gibson]

Did you get upset when Comey reopening the Hillary investigation 10 days before the 2016 election?
When we know it's been DOJ practice not to say anything unless they press charges

---

Judges don't go by DOJ policy's you should know that Hoot try to keep up.

---

Disclosures and Discovery ever hear of that Hoot I am sure you have but it doesn't fit your narrative in this case.

I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry, and I work closely with attorneys in my current career. I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about vector. Discovery has nothing to do with releasing evidence to the general public before a trial. Zero. Time waster.

So now you are claiming the federal judge who is overseeing the Trump insurrection case has broken the law is that what you are telling everyone now?
Since you dodge, duck, and spin the Comey and Hillary question then that was all right with you.

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
Was it falsifying dust pumps?

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
If it was about falsifying dust pump, I don't see how you can sleep at night.

If judges never made mistakes, then there would be no need for Courts of Appeal. Your thinly veiled effort to make me responsible for dust sampling tampering illustrates your ignorance in yet another area. Dust pumps were not "falsified," the allegations against small, family run coal mines involved what MSHA called abnormally white centers (AWCs) of dust samples. Testing revealed that AWCs could occur if the samples were dropped on a hard surface.

The federal government, during George H. W. Bush's term of office, used its limitless resources to coerce plea deals from small coal mine operators by threatening to take legal action against their family members. Many small operators had their mothers, fathers, and other family members listed as corporate officers, when in fact those people had nothing to do with the daily operations of the mines. When a corporation is formed, the owner must provide a list of officers for the corporation.

Large corporations could afford the lawyers necessary to fight the Bush administration, but lawfare can quickly bankrupt small mining companies. To avoid bankrupting the family, many operators who were involved in daily mining operations pled guilty and had their mine foreman licenses suspended to avoid having the federal government bankrupt their families. That is how federal law enforcement works, no matter which party controls the executive branch of the federal government. If they can bankrupt a defendant, then there is no need to prove criminal cases beyond reasonable doubt. They take coerced plea agreements to the media and declare that justice was done.

That is how dimwit politicians like Kamala Harris manage to use political positions such as District Attorney to launch political careers. That was not enough, in Kamala's case - she resorted to exchanging sexual favors for Williey Brown's influence to launch her career.

That didn't last long trying to ignore me. If you ask 100 retired coal miners that worked underground in a nonunion mine 99 would tell you YES coal operators cheat on their dust pumps. You are so Nieve it's not even the least funny. You are thinking that coal operators don't cheat on dust pumps is about as stupid it gets. If you are claiming, they don't then why are coal miners having so many double lungs transplant or dying. There would be no black lung if the operators didn't cheat it's that simple.
Trump has the right to appeal his case, and I say he probably already has but I don't believe the judge is that dumb like you claim she is.

---

By the way how do you sleep at night knowing you helped the coal operators cheat on their dust pumps.

Your poor reading comprehension is showing again. I never said that small coal mine operators never cheated on dust samples. I said that the federal government did not prove that most of the individuals charged with tampering with dust samples were guilty. I explained to you how the federal government coerced coal miners working in small family-owned mines to plead guilty to those charges.

If you were actually familiar with what happened during that period, the you would know that the Secretary of Labor fancied herself as a future presidential candidate and tried to use guilty pleas to advance her political career. You would also know that most of the guilty pleas were made in exchange for very light sentences, including one-year suspensions for mine foreman licenses.

Now, I am giving you the choice of rescinding and apologizing for falsely accusing me of helping coal operators "cheat on their dust pumps," or I will report you for a rules violation. You are not going to sneak back into this forum following a lifetime ban and accuse me of committing federal crimes without being reported. Now, convince me that you regret using such poor judgment. The clock is ticking...5:00, 4:59, 4:58,....

[Maga Nuts]

I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry, and I work closely with attorneys in my current career. I can tell you have no clue what you are talking about vector. Discovery has nothing to do with releasing evidence to the general public before a trial. Zero. Time waster.

So now you are claiming the federal judge who is overseeing the Trump insurrection case has broken the law is that what you are telling everyone now?
Since you dodge, duck, and spin the Comey and Hillary question then that was all right with you.

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
Was it falsifying dust pumps?

---

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
If it was about falsifying dust pump, I don't see how you can sleep at night.

If judges never made mistakes, then there would be no need for Courts of Appeal. Your thinly veiled effort to make me responsible for dust sampling tampering illustrates your ignorance in yet another area. Dust pumps were not "falsified," the allegations against small, family run coal mines involved what MSHA called abnormally white centers (AWCs) of dust samples. Testing revealed that AWCs could occur if the samples were dropped on a hard surface.

The federal government, during George H. W. Bush's term of office, used its limitless resources to coerce plea deals from small coal mine operators by threatening to take legal action against their family members. Many small operators had their mothers, fathers, and other family members listed as corporate officers, when in fact those people had nothing to do with the daily operations of the mines. When a corporation is formed, the owner must provide a list of officers for the corporation.

Large corporations could afford the lawyers necessary to fight the Bush administration, but lawfare can quickly bankrupt small mining companies. To avoid bankrupting the family, many operators who were involved in daily mining operations pled guilty and had their mine foreman licenses suspended to avoid having the federal government bankrupt their families. That is how federal law enforcement works, no matter which party controls the executive branch of the federal government. If they can bankrupt a defendant, then there is no need to prove criminal cases beyond reasonable doubt. They take coerced plea agreements to the media and declare that justice was done.

That is how dimwit politicians like Kamala Harris manage to use political positions such as District Attorney to launch political careers. That was not enough, in Kamala's case - she resorted to exchanging sexual favors for Williey Brown's influence to launch her career.

That didn't last long trying to ignore me. If you ask 100 retired coal miners that worked underground in a nonunion mine 99 would tell you YES coal operators cheat on their dust pumps. You are so Nieve it's not even the least funny. You are thinking that coal operators don't cheat on dust pumps is about as stupid it gets. If you are claiming, they don't then why are coal miners having so many double lungs transplant or dying. There would be no black lung if the operators didn't cheat it's that simple.
Trump has the right to appeal his case, and I say he probably already has but I don't believe the judge is that dumb like you claim she is.

---

By the way how do you sleep at night knowing you helped the coal operators cheat on their dust pumps.

Your poor reading comprehension is showing again. I never said that small coal mine operators never cheated on dust samples. I said that the federal government did not prove that most of the individuals charged with tampering with dust samples were guilty. I explained to you how the federal government coerced coal miners working in small family-owned mines to plead guilty to those charges.

If you were actually familiar with what happened during that period, the you would know that the Secretary of Labor fancied herself as a future presidential candidate and tried to use guilty pleas to advance her political career. You would also know that most of the guilty pleas were made in exchange for very light sentences, including one-year suspensions for mine foreman licenses.

Now, I am giving you the choice of rescinding and apologizing for falsely accusing me of helping coal operators "cheat on their dust pumps," or I will report you for a rules violation. You are not going to sneak back into this forum following a lifetime ban and accuse me of committing federal crimes without being reported. Now, convince me that you regret using such poor judgment. The clock is ticking...5:00, 4:59, 4:58,....

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry" There it is your own words what else would it be Hoot I guess it could be trying to help the coal operators fight a fine but I doubt that. And yes I worked through those times and a long time after that and they all cheated Hell it's the Fox guarding the henhouse they runned their own pumps. It would be like me breaking the speed limit and mailing in the fine. It;s stupid why the government has let them do this all these years. But now after numerus complicated black lung found they are finally cracking down on silica. Now how do you sleep at night Hoot.

[Hoot Gibson]

So now you are claiming the federal judge who is overseeing the Trump insurrection case has broken the law is that what you are telling everyone now?
Since you dodge, duck, and spin the Comey and Hillary question then that was all right with you.

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"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
Was it falsifying dust pumps?

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"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry"
If it was about falsifying dust pump, I don't see how you can sleep at night.

If judges never made mistakes, then there would be no need for Courts of Appeal. Your thinly veiled effort to make me responsible for dust sampling tampering illustrates your ignorance in yet another area. Dust pumps were not "falsified," the allegations against small, family run coal mines involved what MSHA called abnormally white centers (AWCs) of dust samples. Testing revealed that AWCs could occur if the samples were dropped on a hard surface.

The federal government, during George H. W. Bush's term of office, used its limitless resources to coerce plea deals from small coal mine operators by threatening to take legal action against their family members. Many small operators had their mothers, fathers, and other family members listed as corporate officers, when in fact those people had nothing to do with the daily operations of the mines. When a corporation is formed, the owner must provide a list of officers for the corporation.

Large corporations could afford the lawyers necessary to fight the Bush administration, but lawfare can quickly bankrupt small mining companies. To avoid bankrupting the family, many operators who were involved in daily mining operations pled guilty and had their mine foreman licenses suspended to avoid having the federal government bankrupt their families. That is how federal law enforcement works, no matter which party controls the executive branch of the federal government. If they can bankrupt a defendant, then there is no need to prove criminal cases beyond reasonable doubt. They take coerced plea agreements to the media and declare that justice was done.

That is how dimwit politicians like Kamala Harris manage to use political positions such as District Attorney to launch political careers. That was not enough, in Kamala's case - she resorted to exchanging sexual favors for Williey Brown's influence to launch her career.

That didn't last long trying to ignore me. If you ask 100 retired coal miners that worked underground in a nonunion mine 99 would tell you YES coal operators cheat on their dust pumps. You are so Nieve it's not even the least funny. You are thinking that coal operators don't cheat on dust pumps is about as stupid it gets. If you are claiming, they don't then why are coal miners having so many double lungs transplant or dying. There would be no black lung if the operators didn't cheat it's that simple.
Trump has the right to appeal his case, and I say he probably already has but I don't believe the judge is that dumb like you claim she is.

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By the way how do you sleep at night knowing you helped the coal operators cheat on their dust pumps.

Your poor reading comprehension is showing again. I never said that small coal mine operators never cheated on dust samples. I said that the federal government did not prove that most of the individuals charged with tampering with dust samples were guilty. I explained to you how the federal government coerced coal miners working in small family-owned mines to plead guilty to those charges.

If you were actually familiar with what happened during that period, the you would know that the Secretary of Labor fancied herself as a future presidential candidate and tried to use guilty pleas to advance her political career. You would also know that most of the guilty pleas were made in exchange for very light sentences, including one-year suspensions for mine foreman licenses.

Now, I am giving you the choice of rescinding and apologizing for falsely accusing me of helping coal operators "cheat on their dust pumps," or I will report you for a rules violation. You are not going to sneak back into this forum following a lifetime ban and accuse me of committing federal crimes without being reported. Now, convince me that you regret using such poor judgment. The clock is ticking...5:00, 4:59, 4:58,....

"I worked closely with attorneys when I worked in the coal industry" There it is your own words what else would it be Hoot I guess it could be trying to help the coal operators fight a fine but I doubt that. And yes I worked through those times and a long time after that and they all cheated Hell it's the Fox guarding the henhouse they runned their own pumps. It would be like me breaking the speed limit and mailing in the fine. It;s stupid why the government has let them do this all these years. But now after numerus complicated black lung found they are finally cracking down on silica. Now how do you sleep at night Hoot.

Time's up, buttercup. Last call.

[Old School Hound]

I think there are people who take message boards and what is said on them way too seriously. Everyone is anonymous here. Old School doesn't care less what people say about me or accuse me of. I'm here for the sh!ts & giggles.

[Granny Bear]

Gentlemen, the arguing and trolling and sharp remarks back and forth are getting a little too much.

Please simmer down a little bit. I've already closed one thread and issued warnings. I don't want to have to shut down more.

[Hoot Gibson]

I think  there are people who take message boards and what is said on them way too seriously. Everyone is anonymous here. Old School doesn't care less what people say about me or accuse me of. I'm here for the sh!ts & giggles.

Accusing people of felonies in an online forum is wrong and should not be tolerated by anybody. Yes, in general people are anonymous, but most people also have friends and acquaintances online to whom they are not anonymous. When I requested that the lifetime ban that I had requested be lifted, I agreed to make a better effort to follow the rules.

It is tempting to engage in retaliatory name calling, but I am making an effort to stay on topic and making a good faith effort to follow the rules. I don't enjoy tightly moderated political forums, but I also don't enjoy forums in which members are free to personally attack people without limits. Moderators walk a fine line, and I don't want to make things any tougher on them.

At the end of the day, my enjoyment of exchanging third-grade level insults with people ended when I was promoted to the fourth grade.

[Old School Hound]

I think  there are people who take message boards and what is said on them way too seriously. Everyone is anonymous here. Old School doesn't care less what people say about me or accuse me of. I'm here for the sh!ts & giggles.

Accusing people of felonies in an online forum is wrong and should not be tolerated by anybody. Yes, in general people are anonymous, but most people also have friends and acquaintances online to whom they are not anonymous. When I requested that the lifetime ban that I had requested be lifted, I agreed to make a better effort to follow the rules.

It is tempting to engage in retaliatory name calling, but I am making an effort to stay on topic and making a good faith effort to follow the rules. I don't enjoy tightly moderated political forums, but I also don't enjoy forums in which members are free to personally attack people without limits. Moderators walk a fine line, and I don't want to make things any tougher on them.

At the end of the day, my enjoyment of exchanging third-grade level insults with people ended when I was promoted to the fourth grade.

Who promoted you to fourth grade? I want the teacher's name, Hoot!  ( Just kidding you, Hoot! lol)  Mrs Gray promoted me to fourth grade. Fourth grade was the worst grade of my life. Teacher was mean as could be.

I enjoy good political discussions and like hearing diverse views that challenge my own. But a debate hall is the best venue for something like that.  I honestly don't know what is really accomplished, though,  by debating and arguing on message boards. No one's mind is likely to change any at all. It just ends up being a bunch of senseless arguing , trolling, hijacking of thread topics and people getting their feelings hurt. I've been guilty of some of that, at times. Not much is really accomplished at the end of the day. I'm here to entertain folks and be entertained by others. You're a very smart guy, Mr. Gibson. I disagree with you a lot more than I agree with you but I can respect your intellect and your  desire for an honest discussion of issues.

[Hoot Gibson]

I think  there are people who take message boards and what is said on them way too seriously. Everyone is anonymous here. Old School doesn't care less what people say about me or accuse me of. I'm here for the sh!ts & giggles.

Accusing people of felonies in an online forum is wrong and should not be tolerated by anybody. Yes, in general people are anonymous, but most people also have friends and acquaintances online to whom they are not anonymous. When I requested that the lifetime ban that I had requested be lifted, I agreed to make a better effort to follow the rules.

It is tempting to engage in retaliatory name calling, but I am making an effort to stay on topic and making a good faith effort to follow the rules. I don't enjoy tightly moderated political forums, but I also don't enjoy forums in which members are free to personally attack people without limits. Moderators walk a fine line, and I don't want to make things any tougher on them.

At the end of the day, my enjoyment of exchanging third-grade level insults with people ended when I was promoted to the fourth grade.

Who promoted you to fourth grade? I want the teacher's name, Hoot!  ( Just kidding you, Hoot! lol)  Mrs Gray promoted me to fourth grade. Fourth grade was the worst grade of my life. Teacher was mean as could be.

I enjoy good political discussions and like hearing diverse views that challenge my own. But a debate hall is the best venue for something like that.  I honestly don't know what is really accomplished, though,  by debating and arguing on message boards. No one's mind is likely to change any at all. It just ends up being a bunch of senseless arguing , trolling, hijacking of thread topics and people getting their feelings hurt. I've been guilty of some of that, at times. Not much is really accomplished at the end of the day. I'm here to entertain folks and be entertained by others. You're a very smart guy, Mr. Gibson. I disagree with you a lot more than I agree with you but I can respect your intellect and your  desire for an honest discussion of issues.

Mrs. Martin promoted me, but I am pretty sure she passed a few decades ago. One of my favorite teachers, Mrs. Susan Dorn, taught me during fourth grade. She was a direct descendant of Daniel Boone.

I don't think anything is accomplished in online political forums. The best thing that happens from time to time is that somebody posts something that forces you to see an issue from another perspective. I had a very good friend in college who was an Iranian who fled Iran and had to leave his family behind when the Muslim terrorists overthrew the Shah. I can still remember how he opened my eyes to the wastefulness and ineffectiveness of American foreign aid.

Our late nights drinking shots of tequila and discussing politics never changed any of my voting decisions, but hearing first hand about tractors bought by American taxpayers rusting away in the middle of Iranian fields because of the inability of farmers to get parts to repair their tractors was a lesson that I will never forget. The worse thing about the tractor story was that many farmers had sold their plough horses when they received their shiny new tractors. Many farmers were left with no means to work their fields except their own hands and they blamed the U.S. for their situation.

Very little has changed since my college days at UK. When I hear that Joe Biden is threatening to withhold military aid from Israel until Israel sends "humanitarian aid" to Gaza, with the knowledge that Gaza is ruled by the same Hamas terrorists that launch rockets into Israel and slaughter innocent Israelis in unprovoked attacks, it makes my blood boil. I hope that this country is never in the position of having to cave to such blatant attempts of extortion. Both parties are responsible for Israel not being at peace with its neighbors.

Whether you were a fan or Rush Limbaugh or not, he was right when he said that wars do not end until one side wins and the other side surrenders. Aiding both sides in a war may fill the pockets of defense contractors and politicians, but that policy does nothing to bring about peace. American taxpayers have been funding a stalemate in the Middle East since the late 60s.

[Ring'Em Up]

Duck an Dodge by the BGR National Security Advisor.