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10-12-2022, 07:24 PM
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(10-12-2022, 07:10 PM)True pioneer Wrote:(10-12-2022, 09:01 AM)Playcaller66 Wrote:(10-11-2022, 04:47 PM)True pioneer Wrote: I'm sure glad to see everyone back on the Corbin band wagon again. After the loss last year I thought the coach better run for his life. Lol ?
Corbin is just the best team in 4A this year and everyone needs to get used to hearing it. No bandwagons needed. Go Hounds..
Corbin is having another great year. If they get beat in the playoffs again are you going to blame it on the coach again like last year and I did say if. Boyle got beat by a better catholic team last Friday no excuses. 4A is really for the most part wide open this year. Corbin,Boyle, Catholic, and Johnson central are all dangerous teams whether at home or on the road. With that being said good luck to all student athletes, stay healthy and make life long memories.
Corbin got beat by a really good JC team last season. Having said that, it was just really odd from the get go. I talked to a Corbin Hall of Famer last week and he agreed that the game plan was incompetent, personnel wasn't used effectively, and play calling, especially in the red zone, was downright bizarre. There was internal strife. One of Corbin's best playmakers was strangely MIA on offense. Poor game plan, not putting players in best position to succeed, poor execution on both sides of the ball, in-fighting, coaching egos. Not a good mix. JC was good but Corbin should have won by two TDs. I think most Redhound fans would agree with that assessment. JC definitely deserved the win. Unlike Corbin, they came in with a excellent gameplan and executed it to perfection.
10-12-2022, 07:47 PM
It isn't like Corbin's game against Johnson Central was an anomaly. Corbin struggled in slow starts in several games last season before winning by a decent margin, including against Lincoln County. If anybody wants to blame Corbin's coaching for the JC loss, then they need to realize that Corbin's slow start against JC was not unusual for last year's team. It is easy for anybody to say that their team would have won, and then provide an iffin' list. Johnson Central played most of last season without its best running back. How many yards would JC have rushed for if Lawson had played? If Lawson had not been injured, then there is a pretty good chance that JC would have been playing at home again.
10-12-2022, 08:05 PM
(10-12-2022, 07:47 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: It isn't like Corbin's game against Johnson Central was an anomaly. Corbin struggled in slow starts in several games last season before winning by a decent margin, including against Lincoln County. If anybody wants to blame Corbin's coaching for the JC loss, then they need to realize that Corbin's slow start against JC was not unusual for last year's team. It is easy for anybody to say that their team would have won, and then provide an iffin' list. Johnson Central played most of last season without its best running back. How many yards would JC have rushed for if Lawson had played? If Lawson had not been injured, then there is a pretty good chance that JC would have been playing at home again.
It's true, Corbin was having issues throughout the latter half of last season. Their problems didn't suddenly manifest in the JC game. They were able to do enough to overcome their issues against those weaker opponents but not against JC.
10-13-2022, 02:46 AM
He won’t. Because he’s not a Corbin fan. Haha
10-13-2022, 03:33 AM
(10-12-2022, 07:47 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: It isn't like Corbin's game against Johnson Central was an anomaly. Corbin struggled in slow starts in several games last season before winning by a decent margin, including against Lincoln County. If anybody wants to blame Corbin's coaching for the JC loss, then they need to realize that Corbin's slow start against JC was not unusual for last year's team. It is easy for anybody to say that their team would have won, and then provide an iffin' list. Johnson Central played most of last season without its best running back. How many yards would JC have rushed for if Lawson had played? If Lawson had not been injured, then there is a pretty good chance that JC would have been playing at home again.Im def not saying JC shouldn’t have won that game. But if you think our leading rush scorer not playing a down of offense wouldn’t have made the game a little more competitive then you aren’t being objective about it. I still don’t think we would have won with Greer coaching that game, because his game plan was horrendous. But you criticize us for making an “if comment”. But this below is yours after title game.
“IMO, the absence of Mason Lawson from JC's offense and from their defense was also a big factor in last night's game. Lawson was rushing for 145 yards per game when he was lost for the season and was averaging 12.5 yards per carry. Lawson was also a key player in JC's defensive secondary.
Johnson Central's defense feeds on the offense's ability to sustain long drives when necessary and Boyle County's ability to force two JC punts in the first quarter was a huge factor in the game. Against most opponents, JC's offensive line softened defenses pretty quickly and allowed the Golden Eagle backfield to dominate but with Boyle County's speed, especially Lanter and Zeismer, that never happened last night. Having Lawson available last night would have made the game much more competitive but injuries are a part of the game. Sometimes, your team suffers key injuries and sometimes they impact your opponent more.”
you mention a leading rusher being absent,
and it being a “big factor” in that game. You also say having him would have made it a more competitive game and it impacts
your opponents more.
now before I go any further, I 1000000% agree with your comment. But I don’t understand how him being present would have made your game more competitive, but us not having our leading TD and rusher playing in the backfield, when he did EVERY game except that, wouldn’t? Again, what we did against you guys was just an out right head scratcher. But not having our other RB back there and coming out with the dumbest game plan you could think of, definitely made an impact on that game. Would we have won? Maybe? Probably not? I’m going with the last one, but not having our one guy that can break off a TD on any play back there definitely did not help us. And changed the whole dynamic of that game. And that was part of their “game plan” if that’s what they want to call it. But sometimes I play the “what if” game. You do, everyone does. But you use it to defend one team and not another one. And again,
I agree, our starts in some games last
year were awful. But something that wasn’t common for us was fumbles, but especially the first one we had when we ran that quick option with Seth huff, thay I don’t ever remember running. I know you could go on,
what if you had your awesome coach, your RB, on and on. Would it have made a difference, probably. But that’s all Corbin fans are saying. What we did was an anomaly- why they did it, well I think I know but that’s a different conversation- but if we played like we knew they had
the ability to, and just treated it like another game, it would have probably had an impact too. I think a few are getting ahead of themselves saying it would have made us win. Well never know, but hopefully we’ll be able to talk about a game between us in a few weeks. Hopefully we’ll be a little better prepared this time around. But if not, we’re all friend and we’ll just argue about “what ifs”. Hahaha. Sound good?
And another question, the Rice kid you guys have, is it the same one that played QB 2 years ago? Or does he have a brother? It’s probably just me but it seems like the kid is starting his 7th year. I can’t find the stats where is says the first name to see if it’s the same kid. Either one talented kid or his dad sired one heck of a set of brothers
10-13-2022, 04:34 AM
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(10-13-2022, 03:33 AM)Hound05 Wrote:My statement about Lawson was intended to sound ridiculous as an illustration of just how ridiculous statements like Corbin should have beaten Johnson Central by at least 2 touchdowns are. Coaching, like injuries are part of the game and coaches are also part of the team. Johnson Central was a better team last season, not just a better team on that particular night. There is no doubt that Corbin had more D1 talent in the skill positions last season than Johnson Central did, but JC has faced teams having more D1 talent for more than a decade and has found ways of winning those games more often than not.(10-12-2022, 07:47 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: It isn't like Corbin's game against Johnson Central was an anomaly. Corbin struggled in slow starts in several games last season before winning by a decent margin, including against Lincoln County. If anybody wants to blame Corbin's coaching for the JC loss, then they need to realize that Corbin's slow start against JC was not unusual for last year's team. It is easy for anybody to say that their team would have won, and then provide an iffin' list. Johnson Central played most of last season without its best running back. How many yards would JC have rushed for if Lawson had played? If Lawson had not been injured, then there is a pretty good chance that JC would have been playing at home again.Im def not saying JC shouldn’t have won that game. But if you think our leading rush scorer not playing a down of offense wouldn’t have made the game a little more competitive then you aren’t being objective about it. I still don’t think we would have won with Greer coaching that game, because his game plan was horrendous. But you criticize us for making an “if comment”. But this below is yours after title game.
“IMO, the absence of Mason Lawson from JC's offense and from their defense was also a big factor in last night's game. Lawson was rushing for 145 yards per game when he was lost for the season and was averaging 12.5 yards per carry. Lawson was also a key player in JC's defensive secondary.
Johnson Central's defense feeds on the offense's ability to sustain long drives when necessary and Boyle County's ability to force two JC punts in the first quarter was a huge factor in the game. Against most opponents, JC's offensive line softened defenses pretty quickly and allowed the Golden Eagle backfield to dominate but with Boyle County's speed, especially Lanter and Zeismer, that never happened last night. Having Lawson available last night would have made the game much more competitive but injuries are a part of the game. Sometimes, your team suffers key injuries and sometimes they impact your opponent more.”
you mention a leading rusher being absent,
and it being a “big factor” in that game. You also say having him would have made it a more competitive game and it impacts
your opponents more.
now before I go any further, I 1000000% agree with your comment. But I don’t understand how him being present would have made your game more competitive, but us not having our leading TD and rusher playing in the backfield, when he did EVERY game except that, wouldn’t? Again, what we did against you guys was just an out right head scratcher. But not having our other RB back there and coming out with the dumbest game plan you could think of, definitely made an impact on that game. Would we have won? Maybe? Probably not? I’m going with the last one, but not having our one guy that can break off a TD on any play back there definitely did not help us. And changed the whole dynamic of that game. And that was part of their “game plan” if that’s what they want to call it. But sometimes I play the “what if” game. You do, everyone does. But you use it to defend one team and not another one. And again,
I agree, our starts in some games last
year were awful. But something that wasn’t common for us was fumbles, but especially the first one we had when we ran that quick option with Seth huff, thay I don’t ever remember running. I know you could go on,
what if you had your awesome coach, your RB, on and on. Would it have made a difference, probably. But that’s all Corbin fans are saying. What we did was an anomaly- why they did it, well I think I know but that’s a different conversation- but if we played like we knew they had
the ability to, and just treated it like another game, it would have probably had an impact too. I think a few are getting ahead of themselves saying it would have made us win. Well never know, but hopefully we’ll be able to talk about a game between us in a few weeks. Hopefully we’ll be a little better prepared this time around. But if not, we’re all friend and we’ll just argue about “what ifs”. Hahaha. Sound good?
I cannot be the only Johnson Central supporter who is tired of all of the rehashing of last season's Corbin playoff loss. Maybe Corbin would have won if their coaching staff had made different decisions, but maybe Johnson Central would have made adjustments to different moves and still won the game. My point is that Corbin got off to slow starts in several games last year against lesser teams than JC and still managed to win by comfortable margins, so Corbin really did not play worse against JC than it had in some of their previous games.
This is the second season in which Johnson Central has lost a running back who was averaging more than 145 yards per game when he was lost for the season, although there may be a slim chance that Carter Conley will return by the end of the season. I could be wrong, but I don't recall any JC supporter arguing that Conley's injury caused JC to lose to North Laurel - certainly nobody has turned it into a thoroughly beaten horse. North Laurel was better than JC on that night and the outcome of the game may have been the same if Conley had played the full game. We cannot assume that Conley would have added 145 yards of offense and a couple of touchdowns if he had not been injured early in that game. Nor can we assume that had Lawson not been injured last season that JC would have beaten a very talented Rock Creek Christian Academy.
I agree that the time to argue about "what if's" is before games are played, or even immediately after the game has been played. But at some point, time should expire on fanciful speculation. It has been almost a full football season since Corbin lost to JC and since JC lost to Boyle County. The better team won in both cases. I personally hope that Johnson Central plays Lexington Catholic and Corbin hosts Boyle County in the 3rd round this season. Teams and coaches who have not recently played against JC's offense have generally had more trouble preparing for games. I would love to see a Corbin vs. Johnson Central final this season.
10-13-2022, 08:10 AM
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(10-13-2022, 03:59 AM)Hound05 Wrote: And another question, the Rice kid you guys have, is it the same one that played QB 2 years ago? Or does he have a brother? It’s probably just me but it seems like the kid is starting his 7th year. I can’t find the stats where is says the first name to see if it’s the same kid. Either one talented kid or his dad sired one heck of a set of brothersGrant Rice started two years at quarterback and graduated last year. Rice is a very common last name in Johnson County but I'm not sure whether Ryan Rice is related to Grant. Riley Preece started at quarterback for four years before Grant took over as a junior. I think that Grant was a four year starter on defense. Preece started on both JC state championship teams, as a freshman and as a senior..
Freshman Dalton Matney is Jim Matney's son and is getting a lot of playing time. Jacob Grimm is the starting quarterback this season but Dalton may be starting QB before he graduates. McCoart and Conley will probably be the starting running backs next season, although Logan Music may break into the starting lineup on offense. Chase Price, the fullback, is a senior and I'm not sure who will replace him next season. I'm pretty sure that JC will find a way to get McCoart, Conley, and Music all into the starting offense next season.
10-13-2022, 03:25 PM
(10-13-2022, 04:34 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:Now hoot, we’ll just have to disagree on your first paragraph. I don’t believe for a minute that a post you made almost a year ago was a pun for what some Corbin fans said the game before. You have several examples of what him being absent meant. And again, I agree that him being absent had a major impact. But it works both ways. But I’ll just leave it at that because I don’t really care, and I don’t think you do either, I’m just showing an example of the same situation from two different examples and teams. But no one from boyle took that as spite against them, and I don’t think anyone means it that way to JC. Outside the program, you just couldn’t imagine the strife and the moronic decisions made that season and that game, just like we don’t know what it meant to lose a coach and an RB. But I’ll go on record and say, with Greer we probably wouldn’t have won anyways, just as if mason played against boyle they probably would have won anyways. I just don’t get if it bugs you that bad, why pay attention to it. I’ve blocked some posters before and it made it so much better. But it’s fine with, there Won’t be an asterisk by that game that reads “our HC got hit by the stupid bus the week before”. Hahaha. And down the road, the only thing they’ll remember was you made it to the title. We didn’t.(10-13-2022, 03:33 AM)Hound05 Wrote:My statement about Lawson was intended to sound ridiculous as an illustration of just how ridiculous statements like Corbin should have beaten Johnson Central by at least 2 touchdowns are. Coaching, like injuries are part of the game and coaches are also part of the team. Johnson Central was a better team last season, not just a better team on that particular night. There is no doubt that Corbin had more D1 talent in the skill positions last season than Johnson Central did, but JC has faced teams having more D1 talent for more than a decade and has found ways of winning those games more often than not.(10-12-2022, 07:47 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: It isn't like Corbin's game against Johnson Central was an anomaly. Corbin struggled in slow starts in several games last season before winning by a decent margin, including against Lincoln County. If anybody wants to blame Corbin's coaching for the JC loss, then they need to realize that Corbin's slow start against JC was not unusual for last year's team. It is easy for anybody to say that their team would have won, and then provide an iffin' list. Johnson Central played most of last season without its best running back. How many yards would JC have rushed for if Lawson had played? If Lawson had not been injured, then there is a pretty good chance that JC would have been playing at home again.Im def not saying JC shouldn’t have won that game. But if you think our leading rush scorer not playing a down of offense wouldn’t have made the game a little more competitive then you aren’t being objective about it. I still don’t think we would have won with Greer coaching that game, because his game plan was horrendous. But you criticize us for making an “if comment”. But this below is yours after title game.
“IMO, the absence of Mason Lawson from JC's offense and from their defense was also a big factor in last night's game. Lawson was rushing for 145 yards per game when he was lost for the season and was averaging 12.5 yards per carry. Lawson was also a key player in JC's defensive secondary.
Johnson Central's defense feeds on the offense's ability to sustain long drives when necessary and Boyle County's ability to force two JC punts in the first quarter was a huge factor in the game. Against most opponents, JC's offensive line softened defenses pretty quickly and allowed the Golden Eagle backfield to dominate but with Boyle County's speed, especially Lanter and Zeismer, that never happened last night. Having Lawson available last night would have made the game much more competitive but injuries are a part of the game. Sometimes, your team suffers key injuries and sometimes they impact your opponent more.”
you mention a leading rusher being absent,
and it being a “big factor” in that game. You also say having him would have made it a more competitive game and it impacts
your opponents more.
now before I go any further, I 1000000% agree with your comment. But I don’t understand how him being present would have made your game more competitive, but us not having our leading TD and rusher playing in the backfield, when he did EVERY game except that, wouldn’t? Again, what we did against you guys was just an out right head scratcher. But not having our other RB back there and coming out with the dumbest game plan you could think of, definitely made an impact on that game. Would we have won? Maybe? Probably not? I’m going with the last one, but not having our one guy that can break off a TD on any play back there definitely did not help us. And changed the whole dynamic of that game. And that was part of their “game plan” if that’s what they want to call it. But sometimes I play the “what if” game. You do, everyone does. But you use it to defend one team and not another one. And again,
I agree, our starts in some games last
year were awful. But something that wasn’t common for us was fumbles, but especially the first one we had when we ran that quick option with Seth huff, thay I don’t ever remember running. I know you could go on,
what if you had your awesome coach, your RB, on and on. Would it have made a difference, probably. But that’s all Corbin fans are saying. What we did was an anomaly- why they did it, well I think I know but that’s a different conversation- but if we played like we knew they had
the ability to, and just treated it like another game, it would have probably had an impact too. I think a few are getting ahead of themselves saying it would have made us win. Well never know, but hopefully we’ll be able to talk about a game between us in a few weeks. Hopefully we’ll be a little better prepared this time around. But if not, we’re all friend and we’ll just argue about “what ifs”. Hahaha. Sound good?
I cannot be the only Johnson Central supporter who is tired of all of the rehashing of last season's Corbin playoff loss. Maybe Corbin would have won if their coaching staff had made different decisions, but maybe Johnson Central would have made adjustments to different moves and still won the game. My point is that Corbin got off to slow starts in several games last year against lesser teams than JC and still managed to win by comfortable margins, so Corbin really did not play worse against JC than it had in some of their previous games.
This is the second season in which Johnson Central has lost a running back who was averaging more than 145 yards per game when he was lost for the season, although there may be a slim chance that Carter Conley will return by the end of the season. I could be wrong, but I don't recall any JC supporter arguing that Conley's injury caused JC to lose to North Laurel - certainly nobody has turned it into a thoroughly beaten horse. North Laurel was better than JC on that night and the outcome of the game may have been the same if Conley had played the full game. We cannot assume that Conley would have added 145 yards of offense and a couple of touchdowns if he had not been injured early in that game. Nor can we assume that had Lawson not been injured last season that JC would have beaten a very talented Rock Creek Christian Academy.
I agree that the time to argue about "what if's" is before games are played, or even immediately after the game has been played. But at some point, time should expire on fanciful speculation. It has been almost a full football season since Corbin lost to JC and since JC lost to Boyle County. The better team won in both cases. I personally hope that Johnson Central plays Lexington Catholic and Corbin hosts Boyle County in the 3rd round this season. Teams and coaches who have not recently played against JC's offense have generally had more trouble preparing for games. I would love to see a Corbin vs. Johnson Central final this season.
but hopefully we’ll have some more debates in about a month if JC gets to experience Campbell field and pooping in that one open stall in visions locker room? Haha
10-13-2022, 03:58 PM
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(10-13-2022, 03:25 PM)Hound05 Wrote:As I said then and I will always say, injuries are part of the game. They are beyond the control of the injured player and the team. That is quite different than arguing that a team that lost a game that was not that close would have won by at least two touchdowns if the coaching staff had done a better job. Corbin lost 30-13 and Johnson Central rushed for 454 yards and averaged over 8.4 yards per carry. If you don't understand why some Corbin fans' insistence that the only reason Corbin did not win was their coach did not utilize their players better is not insulting, then I don't think that I can explain it to you. It is understandable to read the frustration of Corbin fans after a disappointing loss - but to continue reading the same ridiculous claims 10-1/2 months after the game is a bit much. Maybe a different coach could have guided Corbin to a win or maybe a different coach would have loist by a wider margin. What difference does it make? Coach Greer's job seems safe, especially with an undefeated regular season well within his reach.(10-13-2022, 04:34 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:Now hoot, we’ll just have to disagree on your first paragraph. I don’t believe for a minute that a post you made almost a year ago was a pun for what some Corbin fans said the game before. You have several examples of what him being absent meant. And again, I agree that him being absent had a major impact. But it works both ways. But I’ll just leave it at that because I don’t really care, and I don’t think you do either, I’m just showing an example of the same situation from two different examples and teams. But no one from boyle took that as spite against them, and I don’t think anyone means it that way to JC. Outside the program, you just couldn’t imagine the strife and the moronic decisions made that season and that game, just like we don’t know what it meant to lose a coach and an RB. But I’ll go on record and say, with Greer we probably wouldn’t have won anyways, just as if mason played against boyle they probably would have won anyways. I just don’t get if it bugs you that bad, why pay attention to it. I’ve blocked some posters before and it made it so much better. But it’s fine with, there Won’t be an asterisk by that game that reads “our HC got hit by the stupid bus the week before”. Hahaha. And down the road, the only thing they’ll remember was you made it to the title. We didn’t.(10-13-2022, 03:33 AM)Hound05 Wrote:My statement about Lawson was intended to sound ridiculous as an illustration of just how ridiculous statements like Corbin should have beaten Johnson Central by at least 2 touchdowns are. Coaching, like injuries are part of the game and coaches are also part of the team. Johnson Central was a better team last season, not just a better team on that particular night. There is no doubt that Corbin had more D1 talent in the skill positions last season than Johnson Central did, but JC has faced teams having more D1 talent for more than a decade and has found ways of winning those games more often than not.(10-12-2022, 07:47 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: It isn't like Corbin's game against Johnson Central was an anomaly. Corbin struggled in slow starts in several games last season before winning by a decent margin, including against Lincoln County. If anybody wants to blame Corbin's coaching for the JC loss, then they need to realize that Corbin's slow start against JC was not unusual for last year's team. It is easy for anybody to say that their team would have won, and then provide an iffin' list. Johnson Central played most of last season without its best running back. How many yards would JC have rushed for if Lawson had played? If Lawson had not been injured, then there is a pretty good chance that JC would have been playing at home again.Im def not saying JC shouldn’t have won that game. But if you think our leading rush scorer not playing a down of offense wouldn’t have made the game a little more competitive then you aren’t being objective about it. I still don’t think we would have won with Greer coaching that game, because his game plan was horrendous. But you criticize us for making an “if comment”. But this below is yours after title game.
“IMO, the absence of Mason Lawson from JC's offense and from their defense was also a big factor in last night's game. Lawson was rushing for 145 yards per game when he was lost for the season and was averaging 12.5 yards per carry. Lawson was also a key player in JC's defensive secondary.
Johnson Central's defense feeds on the offense's ability to sustain long drives when necessary and Boyle County's ability to force two JC punts in the first quarter was a huge factor in the game. Against most opponents, JC's offensive line softened defenses pretty quickly and allowed the Golden Eagle backfield to dominate but with Boyle County's speed, especially Lanter and Zeismer, that never happened last night. Having Lawson available last night would have made the game much more competitive but injuries are a part of the game. Sometimes, your team suffers key injuries and sometimes they impact your opponent more.”
you mention a leading rusher being absent,
and it being a “big factor” in that game. You also say having him would have made it a more competitive game and it impacts
your opponents more.
now before I go any further, I 1000000% agree with your comment. But I don’t understand how him being present would have made your game more competitive, but us not having our leading TD and rusher playing in the backfield, when he did EVERY game except that, wouldn’t? Again, what we did against you guys was just an out right head scratcher. But not having our other RB back there and coming out with the dumbest game plan you could think of, definitely made an impact on that game. Would we have won? Maybe? Probably not? I’m going with the last one, but not having our one guy that can break off a TD on any play back there definitely did not help us. And changed the whole dynamic of that game. And that was part of their “game plan” if that’s what they want to call it. But sometimes I play the “what if” game. You do, everyone does. But you use it to defend one team and not another one. And again,
I agree, our starts in some games last
year were awful. But something that wasn’t common for us was fumbles, but especially the first one we had when we ran that quick option with Seth huff, thay I don’t ever remember running. I know you could go on,
what if you had your awesome coach, your RB, on and on. Would it have made a difference, probably. But that’s all Corbin fans are saying. What we did was an anomaly- why they did it, well I think I know but that’s a different conversation- but if we played like we knew they had
the ability to, and just treated it like another game, it would have probably had an impact too. I think a few are getting ahead of themselves saying it would have made us win. Well never know, but hopefully we’ll be able to talk about a game between us in a few weeks. Hopefully we’ll be a little better prepared this time around. But if not, we’re all friend and we’ll just argue about “what ifs”. Hahaha. Sound good?
I cannot be the only Johnson Central supporter who is tired of all of the rehashing of last season's Corbin playoff loss. Maybe Corbin would have won if their coaching staff had made different decisions, but maybe Johnson Central would have made adjustments to different moves and still won the game. My point is that Corbin got off to slow starts in several games last year against lesser teams than JC and still managed to win by comfortable margins, so Corbin really did not play worse against JC than it had in some of their previous games.
This is the second season in which Johnson Central has lost a running back who was averaging more than 145 yards per game when he was lost for the season, although there may be a slim chance that Carter Conley will return by the end of the season. I could be wrong, but I don't recall any JC supporter arguing that Conley's injury caused JC to lose to North Laurel - certainly nobody has turned it into a thoroughly beaten horse. North Laurel was better than JC on that night and the outcome of the game may have been the same if Conley had played the full game. We cannot assume that Conley would have added 145 yards of offense and a couple of touchdowns if he had not been injured early in that game. Nor can we assume that had Lawson not been injured last season that JC would have beaten a very talented Rock Creek Christian Academy.
I agree that the time to argue about "what if's" is before games are played, or even immediately after the game has been played. But at some point, time should expire on fanciful speculation. It has been almost a full football season since Corbin lost to JC and since JC lost to Boyle County. The better team won in both cases. I personally hope that Johnson Central plays Lexington Catholic and Corbin hosts Boyle County in the 3rd round this season. Teams and coaches who have not recently played against JC's offense have generally had more trouble preparing for games. I would love to see a Corbin vs. Johnson Central final this season.
but hopefully we’ll have some more debates in about a month if JC gets to experience Campbell field and pooping in that one open stall in visions locker room? Haha
As I have pointed out, whatever coaching issues Corbin had last season did not start when Johnson Central walked off the bus. Teams develop habits during the regular season, for better or worse. Corbin's slow starts caught up with them. I would be more worried about how well Corbin's coaching staff will perform against their counterparts this season. I have complete confidence in Johnson Central's coaching staff and if the team loses another key player to an injury before the playoffs, then their teammates and coaches will compensate for the loss the best as they can. If they lose again this season, then they will return a much more experienced team next season.
10-13-2022, 05:13 PM
Well our score and boyles score was similar. So if ours wasn’t close then by default Jc and boyles wasn’t either i would assume. I agree injuries are part of the game. But so are coaching decisions, either way the kids have choice. Again, not saying we would have won, but like mason Lawson and JC it had a big impact on the game, and as you said in your own words “sometimes it effect the other team more”. That’s the Point that I’m trying to make. Taking what you said and agreeing with it. But it applies to both. I think people saying we would have won are getting ahead of themselves and letting emotions run before they seriously think about it. And you’re right, they, me, we were frustrated. But I don’t think you can grasp they reason we were frustrated unless you knew the inner workings of the entire thing including that nights coaching decisions. Just like I couldn’t grasp what Lawson meant for you guys in the title. Hoot you know I lie you, whether you care or not, I don’t know. Might not even care one way or another, but I’m saying with all the respect you deserve because you’ve been here a long time. I’m not talking about winning or losing, but you can’t say a missing RB from one team would impact a game, then another RB missing for another game doesn’t impact it with two games being similar scores. Yes yours was an injury, our was a dumb coaching decision. Kids nor us could help either. I’ve not seen anyone say our problems started against JC. It was the coaches. So you agree with it was the coaches all season, but the dumb moves they made in that game is irrelevant. There is no difference in this game than boyles vs Lex. I’ve seen post saying if they would have punted they probably would have won. A coaching decision. They still said Lex cath deserved the win. Just like we said JC deserved the win. All Lex had to say is “scoreboard”. I don’t, and I hope no one else does either, mean it as disrespect.
10-13-2022, 06:01 PM
(10-13-2022, 05:13 PM)Hound05 Wrote: Well our score and boyles score was similar. So if ours wasn’t close then by default Jc and boyles wasn’t either i would assume. I agree injuries are part of the game. But so are coaching decisions, either way the kids have choice. Again, not saying we would have won, but like mason Lawson and JC it had a big impact on the game, and as you said in your own words “sometimes it effect the other team more”. That’s the Point that I’m trying to make. Taking what you said and agreeing with it. But it applies to both. I think people saying we would have won are getting ahead of themselves and letting emotions run before they seriously think about it. And you’re right, they, me, we were frustrated. But I don’t think you can grasp they reason we were frustrated unless you knew the inner workings of the entire thing including that nights coaching decisions. Just like I couldn’t grasp what Lawson meant for you guys in the title. Hoot you know I lie you, whether you care or not, I don’t know. Might not even care one way or another, but I’m saying with all the respect you deserve because you’ve been here a long time. I’m not talking about winning or losing, but you can’t say a missing RB from one team would impact a game, then another RB missing for another game doesn’t impact it with two games being similar scores. Yes yours was an injury, our was a dumb coaching decision. Kids nor us could help either. I’ve not seen anyone say our problems started against JC. It was the coaches. So you agree with it was the coaches all season, but the dumb moves they made in that game is irrelevant. There is no difference in this game than boyles vs Lex. I’ve seen post saying if they would have punted they probably would have won. A coaching decision. They still said Lex cath deserved the win. Just like we said JC deserved the win. All Lex had to say is “scoreboard”. I don’t, and I hope no one else does either, mean it as disrespect.I am pretty sure that I have never claimed that JC lost because of Mason Lawson's injury. JC's running stats were pretty solid with Lawson out for the year, just as JC's stats have been solid this season with Conley out for the season. Boyle County was the best team in 4A last season, period. If you plug last year's game between Corbin and Johnson Central, and between Johnson Central and Boyle County into CalPreps, the predicted scores for both games are not much different that the actual scores of the games. I am really not sure that there is a clear cut favorite this season in 4A.
I am hoping that JC wins a couple of playoff games and then gets a shot at Lexington Catholic in the third round of the playoffs. There is no easy path through the playoffs this season but I am curious to see how effective JC's running attack would be against LC.
Good luck to Corbin in the Lincoln County game. I would really like to see Boyle County have to make the trip to Corbin.
10-13-2022, 06:21 PM
Never said that you did. Just that it made a difference. But yea I agree boyle was without a doubt the best last year.
This year I want to say the same thing, but I can’t because I have zero faith in a few people that could make it or break it for a team. But on the surface, it looks to be a 4
Headed monster come playoffs. But never count out the west. It’s hard tell what they have out there, but I’d bet the champs will come from the East.
Lex has great coaching and some great athletes. The look like they’ve stepped up against physical teams compared to their past. JCs game doesn’t suit the knights very well IMO. I think they do well against balanced teams and pass heavy teams with that 3-5 they run, but a solid rushing team, would be their kryptonite I believe. If I were
Catholic I’d want to face boyle or Corbin. Probably Corbin because they have the ability to adapt and adjust. But i think boyle would rather see JC. IMO, Corbin should want to face JC, as we are stopping the run pretty well this year compared to passes.
I don’t see see JC getting LC in the 3rd but I’ve also seen stuff during the past few years I wouldn’t have thought was possible. I’m Just hoping for the 1 so we don’t have to travel
This year I want to say the same thing, but I can’t because I have zero faith in a few people that could make it or break it for a team. But on the surface, it looks to be a 4
Headed monster come playoffs. But never count out the west. It’s hard tell what they have out there, but I’d bet the champs will come from the East.
Lex has great coaching and some great athletes. The look like they’ve stepped up against physical teams compared to their past. JCs game doesn’t suit the knights very well IMO. I think they do well against balanced teams and pass heavy teams with that 3-5 they run, but a solid rushing team, would be their kryptonite I believe. If I were
Catholic I’d want to face boyle or Corbin. Probably Corbin because they have the ability to adapt and adjust. But i think boyle would rather see JC. IMO, Corbin should want to face JC, as we are stopping the run pretty well this year compared to passes.
I don’t see see JC getting LC in the 3rd but I’ve also seen stuff during the past few years I wouldn’t have thought was possible. I’m Just hoping for the 1 so we don’t have to travel
10-13-2022, 07:13 PM
(10-13-2022, 06:21 PM)Hound05 Wrote: Never said that you did. Just that it made a difference. But yea I agree boyle was without a doubt the best last year.I think that the most likely scenario is that Lexington Catholic will squeeze past Corbin for the top seed after beating Scott County to close its season. I don't see Boyle County overtaking Corbin and Johnson Central has the 4th seed in the east locked up if they make it to the third round.
This year I want to say the same thing, but I can’t because I have zero faith in a few people that could make it or break it for a team. But on the surface, it looks to be a 4
Headed monster come playoffs. But never count out the west. It’s hard tell what they have out there, but I’d bet the champs will come from the East.
Lex has great coaching and some great athletes. The look like they’ve stepped up against physical teams compared to their past. JCs game doesn’t suit the knights very well IMO. I think they do well against balanced teams and pass heavy teams with that 3-5 they run, but a solid rushing team, would be their kryptonite I believe. If I were
Catholic I’d want to face boyle or Corbin. Probably Corbin because they have the ability to adapt and adjust. But i think boyle would rather see JC. IMO, Corbin should want to face JC, as we are stopping the run pretty well this year compared to passes.
I don’t see see JC getting LC in the 3rd but I’ve also seen stuff during the past few years I wouldn’t have thought was possible. I’m Just hoping for the 1 so we don’t have to travel
You're right about the teams out west. Johnson Central won its first title over Franklin-Simpson 48-0 and then lost the next two finals to FS. It's hard to judge how good or bad teams are when they don't play any common opponents. Then, FS's program started to decline after winning back-to-back titles.
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