[The Outsider]

I'm not  on the far left and voted a straight GOP ticket last fall, well, except in the Presidential race due to Trump disguising himself as a Republican.  I'm certain there are milllions of other Republicans who did the same thing.

Sorry, I don't believe you. Nor will anyone else who reads your posts on here.

I agree with jetpilot. I can understand somebody not voting for Trump - I almost did so myself. I can understand some of Trump's antics disgusting a person, he has disgusted me at times. What I find very difficult to believe is that any Republican would find Trump's policies and actions as president far more objectionable than those of Joe Biden.

A true Republican, no matter how moderate, could not possibly do the nit-picking and smearing of Donald Trump that The Outsider has done without Joe Biden's behavior, policies, and actions being far more of a concern. Joe Biden is the current president and he is very clearly an existential threat to this nation. A man who can lose a war to a terrorist group over the course of a few days is certainly not capable of leading us through a war with China, Russia or both.

A true Republican, who simply despised Trump, would have found a potential 2024 presidential candidate to support. I do not recall a single positive post by The Outsider of any active Republican politician, except to support the ones who criticize Trump and those who voted to impeach him. Ron DeSantis has done an excellent job as Governor of Florida, but, correct me if I am wrong, The Outsider, you have not defended DeSantis against any of the many bogus allegations against him. Not one. There are many other viable Republican candidates, most of whom are too moderate for my tastes, but Ben Sasse, Nikki Haley, or Lindsey Graham would be a huge improvement over the corrupt, idiotic current president. A literate American chosen at random would likely be an improvement over Biden. So where is the criticism of Joe Biden, The Outsider?

It wasn't so much Trump's policies, except for mainly the way he downplayed the covid threat due to the election and his obvious racist tendencies, my problem with Trump goes back many, many years and is more personal in nature. 

Biden is probably in over his head, but the only reason he got elected is because so many voters in the middle despise Trump and what he is and stands for, and felt that 4 more years of Trump would completely splinter the Country.

Biden is probably in over his head?   Joe Biden would have been in over his head as president at any age.

Do you really believe that Trump would have splintered this country even more than Biden is doing?

Do you realize that Biden's job approval rating is below Trump's was at the same point in his presidency, according to the Rasmussen Reports daily presidential approval poll? When you factor in the extremely adversarial media that Trump faced and the protective media that is covering Biden, that is pretty amazing. Not only do 56 percent of Americans disapprove of the job that Biden is doing, 48 percent of Americans strongly disapprove of the job that he is doing. I do not recall ever seeing any president with such a high "strongly disapprove" job rating in the Rasmussen poll. (Biden has led Trump in the job approval comparison for most of his presidency but his recent trend has been sharply downward.)

Apparently, you are okay with Joe Biden splintering the country.

Do you approve of the job that Biden is doing or do you strongly approve of the job that he is doing? (You can say that you do not approve of the job that Biden is doing, but nobody is going to believe you if you do.)

No, I don't think that Biden is tearing the country apart, now if the Progressive section of the Party has their way, then yes, the country will continue to be torn apart.  Trump's mob is way too radical for me, as is the far left.

[Cardfan1]

Sorry, I don't believe you. Nor will anyone else who reads your posts on here.

I agree with jetpilot. I can understand somebody not voting for Trump - I almost did so myself. I can understand some of Trump's antics disgusting a person, he has disgusted me at times. What I find very difficult to believe is that any Republican would find Trump's policies and actions as president far more objectionable than those of Joe Biden.

A true Republican, no matter how moderate, could not possibly do the nit-picking and smearing of Donald Trump that The Outsider has done without Joe Biden's behavior, policies, and actions being far more of a concern. Joe Biden is the current president and he is very clearly an existential threat to this nation. A man who can lose a war to a terrorist group over the course of a few days is certainly not capable of leading us through a war with China, Russia or both.

A true Republican, who simply despised Trump, would have found a potential 2024 presidential candidate to support. I do not recall a single positive post by The Outsider of any active Republican politician, except to support the ones who criticize Trump and those who voted to impeach him. Ron DeSantis has done an excellent job as Governor of Florida, but, correct me if I am wrong, The Outsider, you have not defended DeSantis against any of the many bogus allegations against him. Not one. There are many other viable Republican candidates, most of whom are too moderate for my tastes, but Ben Sasse, Nikki Haley, or Lindsey Graham would be a huge improvement over the corrupt, idiotic current president. A literate American chosen at random would likely be an improvement over Biden. So where is the criticism of Joe Biden, The Outsider?

It wasn't so much Trump's policies, except for mainly the way he downplayed the covid threat due to the election and his obvious racist tendencies, my problem with Trump goes back many, many years and is more personal in nature. 

Biden is probably in over his head, but the only reason he got elected is because so many voters in the middle despise Trump and what he is and stands for, and felt that 4 more years of Trump would completely splinter the Country.

Biden is probably in over his head?   Joe Biden would have been in over his head as president at any age.

Do you really believe that Trump would have splintered this country even more than Biden is doing?

Do you realize that Biden's job approval rating is below Trump's was at the same point in his presidency, according to the Rasmussen Reports daily presidential approval poll? When you factor in the extremely adversarial media that Trump faced and the protective media that is covering Biden, that is pretty amazing. Not only do 56 percent of Americans disapprove of the job that Biden is doing, 48 percent of Americans strongly disapprove of the job that he is doing. I do not recall ever seeing any president with such a high "strongly disapprove" job rating in the Rasmussen poll. (Biden has led Trump in the job approval comparison for most of his presidency but his recent trend has been sharply downward.)

Apparently, you are okay with Joe Biden splintering the country.

Do you approve of the job that Biden is doing or do you strongly approve of the job that he is doing? (You can say that you do not approve of the job that Biden is doing, but nobody is going to believe you if you do.)

No, I don't think that Biden is tearing the country apart, now if the Progressive section of the Party has their way, then yes, the country will continue to be torn apart.  Trump's mob is way too radical for me, as is the far left.

I was and still am hoping to see Biden and moderate Dems win out. I don’t like Manchin and Sinema’s holding out, but I do understand they have to represent their constituency.  

Governing from the middle is going to make both sides mad hence the low approval ratings.

[Hoot Gibson]

The Democrat Party does not have any moderate Senators. Socialists have firm control over the party and Senators like Manchin and Sinema are liberals who belong to a socialist party. It is so strange to see a straight party line Republican voter* make post after post supporting a party dominated by socialists.

*Except for Donald J. Trump

[Cardfan1]

The Democrat Party does not have any moderate Senators. Socialists have firm control over the party and Senators like Manchin and Sinema are liberals who belong to a socialist party. It is so strange to see a straight party line Republican voter* make post after post supporting a party dominated by socialists.

*Except for Donald J. Trump

what are talking about Hoot? Manchin and Sinema are your kind of socialists.  You know the ones that take advantage of govt. subsidies and send more breaks to the cooperations. 

you only hate socialism when it helps Americans. 
it’s shocking how much conservatives hate Americans but love wealthy corporations.

[Hoot Gibson]

The Democrat Party does not have any moderate Senators. Socialists have firm control over the party and Senators like Manchin and Sinema are liberals who belong to a socialist party. It is so strange to see a straight party line Republican voter* make post after post supporting a party dominated by socialists.

*Except for Donald J. Trump

what are talking about Hoot? Manchin and Sinema are your kind of socialists.  You know the ones that take advantage of govt. subsidies and send more breaks to the cooperations. 

you only hate socialism when it helps Americans. 
it’s shocking how much conservatives hate Americans but love wealthy corporations.

Corporations are nothing but associations composed of people, Cardfan1. When you raise taxes on corporations, you raise taxes on their shareholders, employees, and consumers of their goods and services. Demonizing corporations and advocating their punishment through higher taxes is stupid, but it is what liberals and socialists do on a regular basis.

Socialism never helps Americans. As Friedman said, there is no such thing as a free lunch and as Lady Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

[The Outsider]

The Democrat Party does not have any moderate Senators. Socialists have firm control over the party and Senators like Manchin and Sinema are liberals who belong to a socialist party. It is so strange to see a straight party line Republican voter* make post after post supporting a party dominated by socialists.

*Except for Donald J. Trump

what are talking about Hoot? Manchin and Sinema are your kind of socialists.  You know the ones that take advantage of govt. subsidies and send more breaks to the cooperations. 

you only hate socialism when it helps Americans. 
it’s shocking how much conservatives hate Americans but love wealthy corporations.

Corporations are nothing but associations composed of people, Cardfan1. When you raise taxes on corporations, you raise taxes on their shareholders, employees, and consumers of their goods and services. Demonizing corporations and advocating their punishment through higher taxes is stupid, but it is what liberals and socialists do on a regular basis.

Socialism never helps Americans. As Friedman said, there is no such thing as a free lunch and as Lady Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Maybe some day you will come to the realization that most Dems are not Socialists.  You may want to consider taking a class in economics and quit getting all your knowledge from Facebook.

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https://news.yahoo.com/maga-supporters-r...06738.html

MAGA supporters have raised $2 million for a jailed Marine. But the soldier says he hates how Trump has divided the US.

President Trump. I was told by everyone to kiss the ring because of your following and power. I refuse. While I respect your foreign policy positions, I hate how you divided the country.

"I don't need or want your help. You do not have the ability to pull US together. You may even win the next election. But your generation's time is running out. Tell your son to stop tweeting about me. Your whole family knows nothing about US or our sacrifices. I could never work with you."

[Hoot Gibson]

The Democrat Party does not have any moderate Senators. Socialists have firm control over the party and Senators like Manchin and Sinema are liberals who belong to a socialist party. It is so strange to see a straight party line Republican voter* make post after post supporting a party dominated by socialists.

*Except for Donald J. Trump

what are talking about Hoot? Manchin and Sinema are your kind of socialists.  You know the ones that take advantage of govt. subsidies and send more breaks to the cooperations. 

you only hate socialism when it helps Americans. 
it’s shocking how much conservatives hate Americans but love wealthy corporations.

Corporations are nothing but associations composed of people, Cardfan1. When you raise taxes on corporations, you raise taxes on their shareholders, employees, and consumers of their goods and services. Demonizing corporations and advocating their punishment through higher taxes is stupid, but it is what liberals and socialists do on a regular basis.

Socialism never helps Americans. As Friedman said, there is no such thing as a free lunch and as Lady Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Maybe some day you will come to the realization that most Dems are not Socialists.  You may want to consider taking a class in economics and quit getting all your knowledge from Facebook.

I understand economics very well. I made "A"s in all of my college economics courses and found them to be among the easiest classes that I took. I have also watched countless economics presentations on Youtube, most notably by Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. As for socialists, I am of the "if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck" school. If you support socialist programs, such as those proposed in Biden's $3.5 trillion spending bill, then you are, in fact, a socialist.

As for Facebook, I have an account and login to it a couple of times each year. I have never discussed politics on Facebook. Your allegation that I get any information from Facebook is absurd. I have never trusted Facebook or its pimple-faced founder, Mark Zuckerberg. For a Republican straight-ticket voter*, I am shocked that you would believe that a conservative uses Facebook as an authoritative source of political or economic information. Are you sure that you want to stick to the story that you are a Republican?



*-Except for Donald J. Trump

[Cardfan1]

The Democrat Party does not have any moderate Senators. Socialists have firm control over the party and Senators like Manchin and Sinema are liberals who belong to a socialist party. It is so strange to see a straight party line Republican voter* make post after post supporting a party dominated by socialists.

*Except for Donald J. Trump

what are talking about Hoot? Manchin and Sinema are your kind of socialists.  You know the ones that take advantage of govt. subsidies and send more breaks to the cooperations. 

you only hate socialism when it helps Americans. 
it’s shocking how much conservatives hate Americans but love wealthy corporations.

Corporations are nothing but associations composed of people, Cardfan1. When you raise taxes on corporations, you raise taxes on their shareholders, employees, and consumers of their goods and services. Demonizing corporations and advocating their punishment through higher taxes is stupid, but it is what liberals and socialists do on a regular basis.

Socialism never helps Americans. As Friedman said, there is no such thing as a free lunch and as Lady Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Unless you make millions and billions…then you can get all the free lunch you want on the taxpayer’s dime. 

What does it feel like to vote against your own interests?  We have been in this atrocious state of Reaganomics for 40 years of favoring corporations over people.  We have watched wages remain stagnant for middle class and low class Americans while ceos and wealthy have seen their packages and pay explode.  You must be at the top of a corporation, Hoot?  What the hell are you doing on this rinky dink message board (no hate BGR—didn’t know we had millionaires on here) if you’re making millions and billions?

[Hoot Gibson]

The Democrat Party does not have any moderate Senators. Socialists have firm control over the party and Senators like Manchin and Sinema are liberals who belong to a socialist party. It is so strange to see a straight party line Republican voter* make post after post supporting a party dominated by socialists.

*Except for Donald J. Trump

what are talking about Hoot? Manchin and Sinema are your kind of socialists.  You know the ones that take advantage of govt. subsidies and send more breaks to the cooperations. 

you only hate socialism when it helps Americans. 
it’s shocking how much conservatives hate Americans but love wealthy corporations.

Corporations are nothing but associations composed of people, Cardfan1. When you raise taxes on corporations, you raise taxes on their shareholders, employees, and consumers of their goods and services. Demonizing corporations and advocating their punishment through higher taxes is stupid, but it is what liberals and socialists do on a regular basis.

Socialism never helps Americans. As Friedman said, there is no such thing as a free lunch and as Lady Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Unless you make millions and billions…then you can get all the free lunch you want on the taxpayer’s dime. 

What does it feel like to vote against your own interests?  We have been in this atrocious state of Reaganomics for 40 years of favoring corporations over people.  We have watched wages remain stagnant for middle class and low class Americans while ceos and wealthy have seen their packages and pay explode.  You must be at the top of a corporation, Hoot?  What the hell are you doing on this rinky dink message board (no hate BGR—didn’t know we had millionaires on here) if you’re making millions and billions?

Metaphors are lost on you, Cardfan1. When Milton Friedman said there was no free lunch, he meant that somebody pays for every government benefit. When you are gullible enough to fall for the socialist notion that you can punish large corporations by making them pay more taxes, then many people will pay those taxes. Corporations pass tax increases through to the people who pay them. That is why hiking corporate tax rates contributes to inflation. You cannot increase the cost of doing business in this country without increasing the cost of goods and services purchased by Americans.

Whether you are a millionaire, billionaire, or as Joe Biden said, "trillionaire," you have no immunity to higher prices. Increasing corporate tax rates imposes additional hidden taxes on you and me, whether you are smart enough to realize it or not. Corporations are handy scapegoats for politicians. Democrats demonize corporations, as Hitler demonized Jews.

[Cardfan1]

The Democrat Party does not have any moderate Senators. Socialists have firm control over the party and Senators like Manchin and Sinema are liberals who belong to a socialist party. It is so strange to see a straight party line Republican voter* make post after post supporting a party dominated by socialists.

*Except for Donald J. Trump

what are talking about Hoot? Manchin and Sinema are your kind of socialists.  You know the ones that take advantage of govt. subsidies and send more breaks to the cooperations. 

you only hate socialism when it helps Americans. 
it’s shocking how much conservatives hate Americans but love wealthy corporations.

Corporations are nothing but associations composed of people, Cardfan1. When you raise taxes on corporations, you raise taxes on their shareholders, employees, and consumers of their goods and services. Demonizing corporations and advocating their punishment through higher taxes is stupid, but it is what liberals and socialists do on a regular basis.

Socialism never helps Americans. As Friedman said, there is no such thing as a free lunch and as Lady Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Unless you make millions and billions…then you can get all the free lunch you want on the taxpayer’s dime. 

What does it feel like to vote against your own interests?  We have been in this atrocious state of Reaganomics for 40 years of favoring corporations over people.  We have watched wages remain stagnant for middle class and low class Americans while ceos and wealthy have seen their packages and pay explode.  You must be at the top of a corporation, Hoot?  What the hell are you doing on this rinky dink message board (no hate BGR—didn’t know we had millionaires on here) if you’re making millions and billions?

Metaphors are lost on you, Cardfan1. When Milton Friedman said there was no free lunch, he meant that somebody pays for every government benefit. When you are gullible enough to fall for the socialist notion that you can punish large corporations by making them pay more taxes, then many people will pay those taxes. Corporations pass tax increases through to the people who pay them. That is why hiking corporate tax rates contributes to inflation. You cannot increase the cost of doing business in this country without increasing the cost of goods and services purchased by Americans.

Whether you are a millionaire, billionaire, or as Joe Biden said, "trillionaire," you have no immunity to higher prices. Increasing corporate tax rates imposes additional hidden taxes on you and me, whether you are smart enough to realize it or not. Corporations are handy scapegoats for politicians. Democrats demonize corporations, as Hitler demonized Jews.

What happened from the 50’s until 1983?  Did corporations pass that cost to the consumer?  

When was America Great?  Aren’t you a MaGA person, Hoot?  Let’s go back to when with those cooperate tax rates were great. 

From Reagan’s shifting of the taxes from the wealthy and the corporations  to the middle class and even taxing social security conservatives have signed off on socialism for the rich and rugged capitalism for the poor. 

You continue to cheer for cooperations over Americans.

[The Outsider]

The Democrat Party does not have any moderate Senators. Socialists have firm control over the party and Senators like Manchin and Sinema are liberals who belong to a socialist party. It is so strange to see a straight party line Republican voter* make post after post supporting a party dominated by socialists.

*Except for Donald J. Trump

what are talking about Hoot? Manchin and Sinema are your kind of socialists.  You know the ones that take advantage of govt. subsidies and send more breaks to the cooperations. 

you only hate socialism when it helps Americans. 
it’s shocking how much conservatives hate Americans but love wealthy corporations.

Corporations are nothing but associations composed of people, Cardfan1. When you raise taxes on corporations, you raise taxes on their shareholders, employees, and consumers of their goods and services. Demonizing corporations and advocating their punishment through higher taxes is stupid, but it is what liberals and socialists do on a regular basis.

Socialism never helps Americans. As Friedman said, there is no such thing as a free lunch and as Lady Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Maybe some day you will come to the realization that most Dems are not Socialists.  You may want to consider taking a class in economics and quit getting all your knowledge from Facebook.

I understand economics very well. I made "A"s in all of my college economics courses and found them to be among the easiest classes that I took. I have also watched countless economics presentations on Youtube, most notably by Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. As for socialists, I am of the "if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck" school. If you support socialist programs, such as those proposed in Biden's $3.5 trillion spending bill, then you are, in fact, a socialist.

As for Facebook, I have an account and login to it a couple of times each year. I have never discussed politics on Facebook. Your allegation that I get any information from Facebook is absurd. I have never trusted Facebook or its pimple-faced founder, Mark Zuckerberg. For a Republican straight-ticket voter*, I am shocked that you would believe that a conservative uses Facebook as an authoritative source of political or economic information. Are you sure that you want to stick to the story that you are a Republican?



*-Except for Donald J. Trump

 
Well I figured since Giuliana admitted that he got his information on voter fraud from Facebook that the rest of the Trump cult got most of their information from there as well.

If Trump is the leader of the National GOP, then I don't want anything to do with them.

[Hoot Gibson]

what are talking about Hoot? Manchin and Sinema are your kind of socialists.  You know the ones that take advantage of govt. subsidies and send more breaks to the cooperations. 

you only hate socialism when it helps Americans. 
it’s shocking how much conservatives hate Americans but love wealthy corporations.

Corporations are nothing but associations composed of people, Cardfan1. When you raise taxes on corporations, you raise taxes on their shareholders, employees, and consumers of their goods and services. Demonizing corporations and advocating their punishment through higher taxes is stupid, but it is what liberals and socialists do on a regular basis.

Socialism never helps Americans. As Friedman said, there is no such thing as a free lunch and as Lady Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Maybe some day you will come to the realization that most Dems are not Socialists.  You may want to consider taking a class in economics and quit getting all your knowledge from Facebook.

I understand economics very well. I made "A"s in all of my college economics courses and found them to be among the easiest classes that I took. I have also watched countless economics presentations on Youtube, most notably by Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. As for socialists, I am of the "if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck" school. If you support socialist programs, such as those proposed in Biden's $3.5 trillion spending bill, then you are, in fact, a socialist.

As for Facebook, I have an account and login to it a couple of times each year. I have never discussed politics on Facebook. Your allegation that I get any information from Facebook is absurd. I have never trusted Facebook or its pimple-faced founder, Mark Zuckerberg. For a Republican straight-ticket voter*, I am shocked that you would believe that a conservative uses Facebook as an authoritative source of political or economic information. Are you sure that you want to stick to the story that you are a Republican?



*-Except for Donald J. Trump

 
Well I figured since Giuliana admitted that he got his information on voter fraud from Facebook that the rest of the Trump cult got most of their information from there as well.

If Trump is the leader of the National GOP, then I don't want anything to do with them.

That is good to know. The left-wing positions that you support in this forum do not seem to make you a good fit for the Republican Party, no matter who its leaders are.

[Cardfan1]

Corporations are nothing but associations composed of people, Cardfan1. When you raise taxes on corporations, you raise taxes on their shareholders, employees, and consumers of their goods and services. Demonizing corporations and advocating their punishment through higher taxes is stupid, but it is what liberals and socialists do on a regular basis.

Socialism never helps Americans. As Friedman said, there is no such thing as a free lunch and as Lady Thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Maybe some day you will come to the realization that most Dems are not Socialists.  You may want to consider taking a class in economics and quit getting all your knowledge from Facebook.

I understand economics very well. I made "A"s in all of my college economics courses and found them to be among the easiest classes that I took. I have also watched countless economics presentations on Youtube, most notably by Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. As for socialists, I am of the "if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck" school. If you support socialist programs, such as those proposed in Biden's $3.5 trillion spending bill, then you are, in fact, a socialist.

As for Facebook, I have an account and login to it a couple of times each year. I have never discussed politics on Facebook. Your allegation that I get any information from Facebook is absurd. I have never trusted Facebook or its pimple-faced founder, Mark Zuckerberg. For a Republican straight-ticket voter*, I am shocked that you would believe that a conservative uses Facebook as an authoritative source of political or economic information. Are you sure that you want to stick to the story that you are a Republican?



*-Except for Donald J. Trump

 
Well I figured since Giuliana admitted that he got his information on voter fraud from Facebook that the rest of the Trump cult got most of their information from there as well.

If Trump is the leader of the National GOP, then I don't want anything to do with them.

That is good to know. The left-wing positions that you support in this forum do not seem to make you a good fit for the Republican Party, no matter who its leaders are.

Trumplican party is a dying party. 

Literally.  

Not sure anybody wants to be a part of it.