[TheRealThing]

It's Anti-American to want the nation to be better...that's new.

TBH Wasn't even that big of a fan of Obama. His inexperience caused him to do exactly what I have railed against in this thread.

I do think your numbers are skewed as Obama's job growth was hampered by the shockwaves of 2008. By that same token Trump relaxed regulations and we've seen the growth Obama had in his second term continue. It's a bit disingenuous to act as if Trump jump started the economy from the grave and Obama put it there.

I really don't know who you think I am, but that's not me. Those circular arguments usually are just trying to stay on topic.

Whether you're playing devil's advocate or whatever, doesn't excuse carrying a torch for the left's lynch mob. Doesn't mean I think you're an enemy, but darn.

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The left wants it in the grave though, along with fossil fuels and taxpayer self sufficiency. The stock market's gains since election night 2016 have added 10 trillion dollars in gains, which is half of our national 22 trillion dollar shortfall. Market Watch has wage earners realizing meaningful earnings growth during the present administration while records show zero or minus growth for the entirety of the Obama era. Barney Frank was seen surfboarding the shockwaves of 2008.

[Cardfan1]

You never answered my question. You just continued advocating more socialism. More than half of the productive people in this country are employed by corporations with 500 or more employees. The federal government does favor large corporations over smaller ones but we should never lose sight of the fact that the private sector produces all of the wealth, prosperity, and financial security that we have in this country. Our government is a consumer of wealth.

What question was that?

Maybe I am advocating more socialism, but by defending the government's business friendly model you are too.

[Cardfan1]

Whether you're playing devil's advocate or whatever, doesn't excuse carrying a torch for the left's lynch mob. Doesn't mean I think you're an enemy, but darn.

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The left wants it in the grave though, along with fossil fuels and taxpayer self sufficiency. The stock market's gains since election night 2016 have added 10 trillion dollars in gains, which is half of our national 22 trillion dollar shortfall. Market Watch has wage earners realizing meaningful earnings growth during the present administration while records show zero or minus growth for the entirety of the Obama era. Barney Frank was seen surfboarding the shockwaves of 2008.

Stock market gains are great, but the middle class sees little of that. That money gets reinvested back at the top to continue to blow up the balloon. How our markets are surging is actually scary; the rest of the world is on a roller coaster.

Most of that wage growth is the rise in minimum wage laws in 26 states. It is ironic that the president and those on the right are touting wage growth when most of the growth is produced by legislation republicans don't support.

[TheRealThing]

Stock market gains are great, but the middle class sees little of that. That money gets reinvested back at the top to continue to blow up the balloon. How our markets are surging is actually scary; the rest of the world is on a roller coaster.

Most of that wage growth is the rise in minimum wage laws in 26 states. It is ironic that the president and those on the right are touting wage growth when most of the growth is produced by legislation republicans don't support.

So much for Détente. Wages actually fell during the Obama Era. But let me give you ironic. Keynesian die hards such as those who openly deny the successes of Reagan Era and of the last 3 years, have since Nov of 2016 been directing their fire inside of their own tight little circle. I cite the fact that there are 10 trillion more dollars on the Keynesian lazy-susan and supposedly, that fact doesn't help the middle and lower class. You can only give people so much, and that certainly means you can't give them more than you have to give. But you guys are the ones who evidently think money sort of magically multiplies itself like a river that can't dry up. You really going to try and say little to none of the 10 trillion dollars of found money made it's way into middle class pockets? Who do you think really buys that? It certainly is not those of the voting majority who put Trump in the White House in the first place.

Your wage growth argument is a Democrat lying talking point.

[Hoot Gibson]

What question was that?

Maybe I am advocating more socialism, but by defending the government's business friendly model you are too.

Questions are those sentences that are followed by punctuation marks that resemble the tops of walking canes. I have no intention of rewriting questions for you, because when I direct questions to you I never expect an honest response.

Most of your posts involve implementing some sort of socialist policy. You just do not have the courage to admit that you will be voting for the most liberal Democrat running in the primary and you will be voting for the Democrats' nominee, regardless of their political or economic philosophy.

[Bob Seger]

Stock market gains are great, but the middle class sees little of that. That money gets reinvested back at the top to continue to blow up the balloon. How our markets are surging is actually scary; the rest of the world is on a roller coaster.

Most of that wage growth is the rise in minimum wage laws in 26 states. It is ironic that the president and those on the right are touting wage growth when most of the growth is produced by legislation republicans don't support.

Really? Ever hear of an employee provided 401K.

Just be honest here, you are more than likely the type who wouldn't work in a pie factory and thinks that somebody (probably everybody) somewhere owes you something for nothing.

[Cardfan1]

So much for Détente. Wages actually fell during the Obama Era. But let me give you ironic. Keynesian die hards such as those who openly deny the successes of Reagan Era and of the last 3 years, have since Nov of 2016 been directing their fire inside of their own tight little circle. I cite the fact that there are 10 trillion more dollars on the Keynesian lazy-susan and supposedly, that fact doesn't help the middle and lower class. You can only give people so much, and that certainly means you can't give them more than you have to give. But you guys are the ones who evidently think money sort of magically multiplies itself like a river that can't dry up. You really going to try and say little to none of the 10 trillion dollars of found money made it's way into middle class pockets? Who do you think really buys that? It certainly is not those of the voting majority who put Trump in the White House in the first place.

Your wage growth argument is a Democrat lying talking point.

Sorry...it's not. The administration just left the minimum wage raises out. It's a convenient equivocation.

I don't deny the growth of the last three years although I also acknowledge the economy was already trending upwards.

Let's not even pretend that this president nor the last one nor the one before or the next will be fiscally responsible and try to trim the deficit or payoff the national debt. The only difference is what they spend the newly printed money on.

The argument of there only being so much to give only comes out when people talk about healthcare or funding education. It is never thrown out when it's about defense, a bailout, or a tax cut.

[Cardfan1]

Questions are those sentences that are followed by punctuation marks that resemble the tops of walking canes. I have no intention of rewriting questions for you, because when I direct questions to you I never expect an honest response.

Most of your posts involve implementing some sort of socialist policy. You just do not have the courage to admit that you will be voting for the most liberal Democrat running in the primary and you will be voting for the Democrats' nominee, regardless of their political or economic philosophy.

I have a job. Didn't major in either of those. If that is what you are looking for. Anyway I wouldn't imagine a person like that would be on a sports site message board.

Most of your post support the socialism we already have while denying its existence. Maybe and probably to your assumptions.

[Cardfan1]

Really? Ever hear of an employee provided 401K.

Just be honest here, you are more than likely the type who wouldn't work in a pie factory and thinks that somebody (probably everybody) somewhere owes you something for nothing.

Fewer than 1/3 of American workers participate in a 401k or retirement acct. I bet you can guess who gets the most benefit out of those systems.

All you know about me is I support a govt that doesn't pay the rich to get richer and would prefer the same money spent on services that assist all our citizens rather than a few. That doesn't make me lazy or entitled.

You must be an Eastern Kentucky millionaire that spends his time on a message board in support of policies the benefit the wealthy.

[Bob Seger]

Fewer than 1/3 of American workers participate in a 401k or retirement acct. I bet you can guess who gets the most benefit out of those systems.

All you know about me is I support a govt that doesn't pay the rich to get richer and would prefer the same money spent on services that assist all our citizens rather than a few. That doesn't make me lazy or entitled.

You must be an Eastern Kentucky millionaire that spends his time on a message board in support of policies the benefit the wealthy.

Haha, mostly because the mere mention of a J.O.B. scares the living daylights out of the rest of them.

Yep, pretty much as I suspected...

Exact same talking points as one of those who feel like we all owe you something, AND ALWAYS looking for that government hand out of one sort of another. Pretty cool that you can come up with these instant (more than likely) fabricated stats too. Must have several discussions and need these instant stats to defend your own sorriness.

Any hard working anti-communist sympathizer can spot you sponges on society out a mile away.

[Cardfan1]

Haha, mostly because the mere mention of a J.O.B. scares the living daylights out of the rest of them.

Yep, pretty much as I suspected...

Exact same talking points as one of those who feel like we all owe you something, AND ALWAYS looking for that government hand out of one sort of another. Pretty cool that you can come up with these instant (more than likely) fabricated stats too. Must have several discussions and need these instant stats to defend your own sorriness.

Any hard working anti-communist sympathizer can spot you sponges on society out a mile away.

30% of American workers...

It's called Google.

Your detector is off. Haven't been a sponge ever.

Trying to insult me or pigeon-hole me doesn't make your point. Whatever it is...

[Hoot Gibson]

30% of American workers...

It's called Google.

Your detector is off. Haven't been a sponge ever.

Trying to insult me or pigeon-hole me doesn't make your point. Whatever it is...

That is a bogus stat and you know it. One can find any kind of made up numbers they want on socialist propaganda sites. Post a link to your source so that we can explain your feeble attempt to lie with statistics. Google is a search tool, not a source.

[TheRealThing]

Haha, mostly because the mere mention of a J.O.B. scares the living daylights out of the rest of them.

Yep, pretty much as I suspected...

Exact same talking points as one of those who feel like we all owe you something, AND ALWAYS looking for that government hand out of one sort of another. Pretty cool that you can come up with these instant (more than likely) fabricated stats too. Must have several discussions and need these instant stats to defend your own sorriness.

Any hard working anti-communist sympathizer can spot you sponges on society out a mile away.

In the past 3 years we've seen raging dishonesty from the left. First, they shamelessly destroyed a US patriot and General Officer in the person of Mike Flynn. Closely following were the false charges of the President having engaged in collusion with Russia. Which led to the Mueller Probe, which was constructed on illegally attained FISA warrants. Then in an attempt to derail his SC nomination, we saw fake witnesses showing up to drop the shroud of shame on Brett Kavanaugh. Reportedly Senate and House Dems supplied lawyers and guidance to those witnesses. We've seen the fake whistleblower whom reports say turned out to be a government employee with a history of attempts to harm the President, lob bombs into the White House after having received similar guidance. We saw the resultant impeachment, rife with lies, assumptions, presumptions and mischaracterizations complete with B movie-esque prosecutors. Lying seems to be their warm blanket of respite.

Cooking numbers was a specialty of the Obama administration as the former President's tweet today aptly demonstrates. FTR Mr Obama, I've yet to see my first 2500 dollar a year savings as the result of the passage of the ACA. At present, the running total for that lie alone stands at 25 thousand dollars. In fact, not counting my over the moon health care insurance premium, my family's out of pocket costs thanks to the ACA, is 24 thousand dollars annually. And still they lie to me and tell me overall I'm much better off.

I don't believe a thing Dems say. All of them would rather rule in Hell than serve in heaven. Heck, even the last answer to Democrat sobriety Joe Manchin voted for both articles of impeachment. When Cardfan comes on here revising history in real time, and belching up the lib stats and talking points, he's fooling no one. But it is election season and he's doing his best. :notbad:

[TheRealThing]

Sorry...it's not. The administration just left the minimum wage raises out. It's a convenient equivocation.

I don't deny the growth of the last three years although I also acknowledge the economy was already trending upwards.

Let's not even pretend that this president nor the last one nor the one before or the next will be fiscally responsible and try to trim the deficit or payoff the national debt. The only difference is what they spend the newly printed money on.

The argument of there only being so much to give only comes out when people talk about healthcare or funding education. It is never thrown out when it's about defense, a bailout, or a tax cut.

That's not what I said. Are you really that slow on the uptake, or is it you are that desperate to try and look informed? Having an extra 10 trillion dollars infused into the economy IS a big deal. Your top 1% only argument is past absurd because most Americans are invested in the stock market.

The last sadly laughable paragraph. Lyndon Baines Johnson was wrong when he launched the US off into a bottomless sea of red ink with his Great Society Initiative. Once we started giving people stuff just because they were poor, there was to be no way to draw any kind of line in the sand. In doing so Johnson created the "poor class" of today, over which the left are constantly fawning. But once that gravy train chugged out of DC, everybody wanted their fair share. Every special interest, every cause, every hope lined up at every stop. Keynesian Dems have been particularly naïve in this cause as they have always believed money sort of magically reproduces itself. That naivite alone is the basis for their belief that the US can incorporate everything and provide welfare for everyone down to and including the Yucatan Peninsula.

It's always hilarious to see people like you come on here and argue out one side of your mouth for ever more goodies for the poor, while out the other you blame fiscally conservative Republicans, corporations and free enterprise for the deficits. All the while denying military threats which without question, have today risen to the existential level. It was Dem idiocy which allowed our avowed enemies to catch up to and match our level of military hardware in the first place. And I guess you must have missed this but Obama did tweet today bragging that it was his bailout that not only started the underwhelming recovery over which he presided but is responsible for the economic boom times under MR Trump. :biglmao:

[Cardfan1]

That is a bogus stat and you know it. One can find any kind of made up numbers they want on socialist propaganda sites. Post a link to your source so that we can explain your feeble attempt to lie with statistics. Google is a search tool, not a source.

Here a few...

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/06/...-401k.aspx

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/trump-ci...e-one.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-...this-rate/

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/higher...orkers.htm

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/58-per...n-2017.htm

[Cardfan1]

That's not what I said. Are you really that slow on the uptake, or is it you are that desperate to try and look informed? Having an extra 10 trillion dollars infused into the economy IS a big deal. Your top 1% only argument is past absurd because most Americans are invested in the stock market.

The last sadly laughable paragraph. Lyndon Baines Johnson was wrong when he launched the US off into a bottomless sea of red ink with his Great Society Initiative. Once we started giving people stuff just because they were poor, there was to be no way to draw any kind of line in the sand. In doing so Johnson created the "poor class" of today, over which the left are constantly fawning. But once that gravy train chugged out of DC, everybody wanted their fair share. Every special interest, every cause, every hope lined up at every stop. Keynesian Dems have been particularly naïve in this cause as they have always believed money sort of magically reproduces itself. That naivite alone is the basis for their belief that the US can incorporate everything and provide welfare for everyone down to and including the Yucatan Peninsula.

It's always hilarious to see people like you come on here and argue out one side of your mouth for ever more goodies for the poor, while out the other you blame fiscally conservative Republicans, corporations and free enterprise for the deficits. All the while denying military threats which without question, have today risen to the existential level. It was Dem idiocy which allowed our avowed enemies to catch up to and match our level of military hardware in the first place. And I guess you must have missed this but Obama did tweet today bragging that it was his bailout that not only started the underwhelming recovery over which he presided but is responsible for the economic boom times under MR Trump. :biglmao:

Hard to keep up with all of you.

A slight majority not most Americans own stock. Certainly more people than voted for the current president. Let's be realistic; somebody who has 10 grand in a 401k is nothing in relationship to the 1%.

Actually I'm not arguing for the poor. They already have all the goodies. The rich have the goodies. I'm arguing for the middle class to get a break instead of paying all the bills and doing all the work.

Republicans have not been fiscally conservative. In the last 20 years the debt has exploded because of Republican actions: wars and tax cuts. Even worse when they have gotten two terms they have produced economic recessions with H. W. Bush the exception it just took him one to produce an economic recession.
The right has lost the fiscal conservative high-horse along with the morality high-horse over the past 20 years. You can keep screaming it, but it's not what is displayed: they spend like crazy and they elect morally bankrupt politicians.

I hated it, but Obama's bailout did jumpstart the dead economy, so technically he's right.

[TheRealThing]

Hard to keep up with all of you.

A slight majority not most Americans own stock. Certainly more people than voted for the current president. Let's be realistic; somebody who has 10 grand in a 401k is nothing in relationship to the 1%.

Actually I'm not arguing for the poor. They already have all the goodies. The rich have the goodies. I'm arguing for the middle class to get a break instead of paying all the bills and doing all the work.

Republicans have not been fiscally conservative. In the last 20 years the debt has exploded because of Republican actions: wars and tax cuts. Even worse when they have gotten two terms they have produced economic recessions with H. W. Bush the exception it just took him one to produce an economic recession.
The right has lost the fiscal conservative high-horse along with the morality high-horse over the past 20 years. You can keep screaming it, but it's not what is displayed: they spend like crazy and they elect morally bankrupt politicians.

I hated it, but Obama's bailout did jumpstart the dead economy, so technically he's right.

Let me rephrase that statement more realistically for you. It's hard for you to keep up with one of us, much less all of us.

[Bob Seger]

Hard to keep up with all of you.

A slight majority not most Americans own stock. Certainly more people than voted for the current president. Let's be realistic; somebody who has 10 grand in a 401k is nothing in relationship to the 1%.

Actually I'm not arguing for the poor. They already have all the goodies. The rich have the goodies. I'm arguing for the middle class to get a break instead of paying all the bills and doing all the work.

Republicans have not been fiscally conservative. In the last 20 years the debt has exploded because of Republican actions: wars and tax cuts. Even worse when they have gotten two terms they have produced economic recessions with H. W. Bush the exception it just took him one to produce an economic recession.
The right has lost the fiscal conservative high-horse along with the morality high-horse over the past 20 years. You can keep screaming it, but it's not what is displayed: they spend like crazy and they elect morally bankrupt politicians.

I hated it, but Obama's bailout did jumpstart the dead economy, so technically he's right.

Let's be realistic about this ,RED. If it we did not have a 1%, there would be no stock market or 401K's. Next time you start worrying about why that government check is late coming in the mail, be thankful that there is a 1% that keeps the wheels turning for everyone, including for you to get that government check.

[Cardfan1]

Let's be realistic about this ,RED. If it we did not have a 1%, there would be no stock market or 401K's. Next time you start worrying about why that government check is late coming in the mail, be thankful that there is a 1% that keeps the wheels turning for everyone, including for you to get that government check.

We need rich people to guide this country economically? That's a plutocracy
No stock market? No 401ks? That makes zero sense and displays a learned helplessness.

I'm thankful for all taxpaying Americans.

In the past 70 years the tax rate for the top 1% has dropped nearly 50% and now the 1% pays a lower tax rate than the middle class after 2017s tax cuts. I don't understand how it's unAmerican to ask the wealthy in this nation to pay their fair share. Seriously, think about Jeff Bezos who has to spend 1.7 million to equal the rest of us spending a $1. His company, Amazon, spent the past few years paying 0 taxes. ZERO...This year they got hit with 1.2% tax bill only about 23% less than the average taxpayer.

Been a few years since a got any type of check from the govt. including tax refunds. Can you say the same?

[TheRealThing]

Let's be realistic about this ,RED. If it we did not have a 1%, there would be no stock market or 401K's. Next time you start worrying about why that government check is late coming in the mail, be thankful that there is a 1% that keeps the wheels turning for everyone, including for you to get that government check.

The left don't play fair, nor do they have any particular limits to their mischaracterizations. For example, calling another person morally bankrupt the last time I checked, was the purview of The Almighty, only. Cardfan like so many liberals, nonetheless feels worthy to do it anyway. These endless mischaracterizations and personal attacks on the President's person are morally inexcusable.

God through His Holy Spirit calls all men. Only a few actually answer that call. So not everybody does change their spots, but absolutely EVERYONE who is a true Christian did exactly that. And even then the change itself is 100% the workproduct of the Holy Spirit, Whom renders a personal regeneration in each case. All men are born into the exact same estate, they're lost. And there is not one thing they could ever do to better their self. The regeneration of a man's soul is possible only because Jesus willingly shed His blood on the cross in order to pay their sin debt.

Romans 3:10-12 (KJV)
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

In other words for those who are saved, God has called them, and if they answer that call, He does a miracle in each of their lives. The saved are from that point of forward "a new creature in Christ." I know that is exactly what happened in my case, and I know that is the case for everyone else who can lay claim to having seen a change in their old nature. And it doesn't make one whit what one did in the past, anyone who turns to God in repentance can be changed/saved.

Now, I'm not saying I know the President is a Christian, but I certainly would not say publicly or privately, that he isn't a Christian either. That is the Lord's business and it is between Him and one Donald J Trump. The point is nobody has the right or the sted with the Almighty, to say the President is morally bankrupt. As if he is in a class of debauchery all to himself." All men have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God." And even though those who choose to repent before the Lord can say they are saved, they cannot say they are no longer sinners. They still err, and they still wrestle with their old natures as the Apostle Paul has so eloquently pointed out;
Romans 7:19 (KJV)
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Getting up on one's high horse in judgment of DJT may seem comfortable from behind an online persona. But I can assure the Lord is in no way fooled or otherwise uninformed as to who says what. So I would offer this, the President is no worse than anyone else in this world.

[TheRealThing]

We need rich people to guide this country economically? That's a plutocracy
No stock market? No 401ks? That makes zero sense and displays a learned helplessness.

I'm thankful for all taxpaying Americans.

In the past 70 years the tax rate for the top 1% has dropped nearly 50% and now the 1% pays a lower tax rate than the middle class after 2017s tax cuts. I don't understand how it's unAmerican to ask the wealthy in this nation to pay their fair share. Seriously, think about Jeff Bezos who has to spend 1.7 million to equal the rest of us spending a $1. His company, Amazon, spent the past few years paying 0 taxes. ZERO...This year they got hit with 1.2% tax bill only about 23% less than the average taxpayer.

Been a few years since a got any type of check from the govt. including tax refunds. Can you say the same?

Jeff Bezos employs over 566,000 people there Cardfan. How bout yourself? Got a stat as to how much money those 566,000 employees, stock holders, supply chains, vendors, UPS, FedEx, the US Postal Service, other lines of commerce, taxes, and various lines of insurance involved generate annually?

[Cardfan1]

Jeff Bezos employs over 566,000 people there Cardfan. How bout yourself? Got a stat as to how much money those 566,000 employees, stock holders, supply chains, vendors, UPS, FedEx, the US Postal Service, other lines of commerce, taxes, and various lines of insurance involved generate annually?

So if you employ people you get to pay less than the average American?

Better yet the employees pay your taxes because you employ them and you don't pay taxes.

You support this?

Careful, TRT, you may twist yourself in a knot trying to defend Billionaire Bezos.

[TheRealThing]

So if you employ people you get to pay less than the average American?

Better yet the employees pay your taxes because you employ them and you don't pay taxes.

You support this?

Careful, TRT, you may twist yourself in a knot trying to defend Billionaire Bezos.

My posts prove beyond any question that I'm no Bezos fan. This nation's tax structure is patently unfair to retired people, especially those over 70. Further other than the well off, I consider Congress' treatment, (by way of burdensome taxation to the grave) of those who are over 70 and who've distinguished themselves by a lifetime of self sufficiency, to be indefensible. I do however, understand free enterprise a little better than you. But hey, nobody's perfect.

[Bob Seger]

We need rich people to guide this country economically? That's a plutocracy
No stock market? No 401ks? That makes zero sense and displays a learned helplessness.

I'm thankful for all taxpaying Americans.

In the past 70 years the tax rate for the top 1% has dropped nearly 50% and now the 1% pays a lower tax rate than the middle class after 2017s tax cuts. I don't understand how it's unAmerican to ask the wealthy in this nation to pay their fair share. Seriously, think about Jeff Bezos who has to spend 1.7 million to equal the rest of us spending a $1. His company, Amazon, spent the past few years paying 0 taxes. ZERO...This year they got hit with 1.2% tax bill only about 23% less than the average taxpayer.

Been a few years since a got any type of check from the govt. including tax refunds. Can you say the same?

:biggrin:

I make my own checks, Fidel.

There have been a bunch of pure morons post on this board over the years, but I must say you may very well indeed be the biggest one of them all.

[Hoot Gibson]

Here a few...

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/06/...-401k.aspx

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/trump-ci...e-one.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-...this-rate/

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/higher...orkers.htm

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/58-per...n-2017.htm

Your original post stated that fewer than one-third of American workers participate in a 401k or other retirement account. Your links show that about one-third of American workers participate in 401k plans but do not mention other retirement plans. It is easier to find bogus statistics with Google than it is to support them.

Even though your original post was inaccurate, the links show that fewer than one half of American workers who are eligible for 401k accounts actually participate. Whose fault is that? Every company for whom I have worked strongly encourage employees to take advantage of such plans and most companies also match a portion of employee investments.

[Hoot Gibson]

So if you employ people you get to pay less than the average American?

Better yet the employees pay your taxes because you employ them and you don't pay taxes.

You support this?

Careful, TRT, you may twist yourself in a knot trying to defend Billionaire Bezos.

Jeff Bezos pays more taxes in one year than you or I will pay over our lifetime. Amazon is not Jeff Bezos. Bezos owns 16 percent of Amazon's stock. Do you really believe that he does not pay any taxes on his dividends? Do you also think that he pays no property taxes on his personal property, which is valued at more than $100 million?

I am not a fan of Jeff Bezos's political positions but he has done more for his country than all the deadbeat liberals supporting Bernie Sanders combined. He worked hard and risked everything to build Amazon into the most valuable company in this country by offering great products and services reasonable prices. What have you done for this country?

[Bob Seger]

Jeff Bezos pays more taxes in one year than you or I will pay over our lifetime. Amazon is not Jeff Bezos. Bezos owns 16 percent of Amazon's stock. Do you really believe that he does not pay any taxes on his dividends? Do you also think that he pays no property taxes on his personal property, which is valued at more than $100 million?

I am not a fan of Jeff Bezos's political positions but he has done more for his country than all the deadbeat liberals supporting Bernie Sanders combined. He worked hard and risked everything to build Amazon into the most valuable company in this country by offering great products and services reasonable prices. What have you done for this country?

Guys like this bumbling bozo don't "do" anything , they "take".

[Cardfan1]

Your original post stated that fewer than one-third of American workers participate in a 401k or other retirement account. Your links show that about one-third of American workers participate in 401k plans but do not mention other retirement plans. It is easier to find bogus statistics with Google than it is to support them.

Even though your original post was inaccurate, the links show that fewer than one half of American workers who are eligible for 401k accounts actually participate. Whose fault is that? Every company for whom I have worked strongly encourage employees to take advantage of such plans and most companies also match a portion of employee investments.

Fewer than one-third of Americans are saving money in their 401(k)s and other workplace retirement accounts, according to an analysis of tax records by Census Bureau researchers.

Although nearly 80 percent of Americans work for an employer that offers retirement programs — whether a 401(k), 403(b) or something else — only 32 percent of workers sign up for such accounts, according to a working draft of the study by Michael Gideon and Joshua Mitchell. --https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-there/wp/2017/02/22/two-in-three-americans-will-never-retire-at-this-rate/

The only I was guilty of was not citing my source.

I would imagine that some people are irresponsible and neglect preparing for their future, but let's be realistic, some people are aware of future possibilities but can't justify the loss of income.

[Cardfan1]

Jeff Bezos pays more taxes in one year than you or I will pay over our lifetime. Amazon is not Jeff Bezos. Bezos owns 16 percent of Amazon's stock. Do you really believe that he does not pay any taxes on his dividends? Do you also think that he pays no property taxes on his personal property, which is valued at more than $100 million?

I am not a fan of Jeff Bezos's political positions but he has done more for his country than all the deadbeat liberals supporting Bernie Sanders combined. He worked hard and risked everything to build Amazon into the most valuable company in this country by offering great products and services reasonable prices. What have you done for this country?

He may pay more than my whole county. But more doesn't equal fair.
I never said Bezos didn't pay taxes. I commented on how little a dollar means to him in relationship to us common folk. For him to pay a rate of taxes that is similar to middle class Americans is absurd, and for Amazon to get the corporate to zero is ludicrous.

Washing the argument with hard work hero worship doesn't nullify the issue. The past two tax cuts have allowed the rich to get richer while the middle class is still stuck spinning their wheels. Bezos is one of those guys that has benefited and has taken full advantage of the system. Can't blame him for that, but you can blame those who have allowed the shortfalls in funding to help themselves, or their rich friends.

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Guys like this bumbling bozo don't "do" anything , they "take".

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I must be pushing your buttons, because you have resorted to name calling and insults.