[Cardfan1]

Don't look to me for positive reinforcement in your hopes to see injustice accomplished. Surely Buzz Feed or the like has something to slake your desperate hopes this morning. You know the left is desperate when they are forced to turn to one of the people they despise the most as their last ditch chance at a savior.

Durham is investigating everything. FISA abuse and the machinations of the intel community extending out wherever the evidence leads. Damning evidence. That BTW is what Durham has plenty of with regard to the resistance, and that is that which nobody has any of with regard to Presidential malfeasance.

It happens like that sometimes poor Jim Comey went from hero to zero at least 10 times in a 12 month period from 2016-2017.
I thought Bolton and Trump were strange bedfellows anyway. Bolton wants a regime change in every country in the world. Our President seems to like all those dictators with the exception of the Ayatollah of Iran.

So a third investigation into an investigation is going to turn something up? I will be shocked if anything comes of it other than pleasing the president.

I expect Speaker Pelosi to turn over the Articles within a week and all the speculation will be over.

[TheRealThing]

It happens like that sometimes poor Jim Comey went from hero to zero at least 10 times in a 12 month period from 2016-2017.
I thought Bolton and Trump were strange bedfellows anyway. Bolton wants a regime change in every country in the world. Our President seems to like all those dictators with the exception of the Ayatollah of Iran.

So a third investigation into an investigation is going to turn something up? I will be shocked if anything comes of it other than pleasing the president.

I expect Speaker Pelosi to turn over the Articles within a week and all the speculation will be over.

You can think whatever you want last I checked. But the fact is, we have a viable Attorney General and he has assigned a historic task to John Durham. As I said MR Durham's investigation will take us to a certain destination and I am comfortable in assuming that you don't know what that destination will be.

Speaker Pelosi is in far worse a pickle as we speak on the matter of impeachment as well as legs to stand on where the President's performance is concerned. So I will give you my expectation. The President will get up in front of the people shortly to cement his reelection.

[Cardfan1]

You can think whatever you want last I checked. But the fact is, we have a viable Attorney General and he has assigned a historic task to John Durham. As I said MR Durham's investigation will take us to a certain destination and I am comfortable in assuming that you don't know what that destination will be.

Speaker Pelosi is in far worse a pickle as we speak on the matter of impeachment as well as legs to stand on where the President's performance is concerned. So I will give you my expectation. The President will get up in front of the people shortly to cement his reelection.

How has the impeachment trial shifted?

From my understanding Senator McConnell is pushing for the "Clinton" rules, which seems like a compromise to me. Republicans wanted a vote, and Democrats wanted a full trial.

Election is a long time away. I'd hold off on any coronation; there is a long year and a tough campaign ahead.

[TheRealThing]

How has the impeachment trial shifted?

From my understanding Senator McConnell is pushing for the "Clinton" rules, which seems like a compromise to me. Republicans wanted a vote, and Democrats wanted a full trial.

Election is a long time away. I'd hold off on any coronation; there is a long year and a tough campaign ahead.

Oh of course you'd hold off. You're a flaming liberal.

[Cardfan1]

Oh of course you'd hold off. You're a flaming liberal.

On some things...on others I'm conservative. Probably classified as the Independent voter that tends to sway elections in places other than KY.

I do want to know what the President and his representatives were up to. I would prefer the answers to be more straightforward and not so heavily politicized, but I will do my best to navigate through the hyperbole and sidestepping to find straight answers. I look forward to the upcoming Senate trial with hopes that it will be less political theater.

Anyway recent history has shown us that who is "supposed" to win in January doesn't always come through in November.

[TheRealThing]

On some things...on others I'm conservative. Probably classified as the Independent voter that tends to sway elections in places other than KY.

I do want to know what the President and his representatives were up to. I would prefer the answers to be more straightforward and not so heavily politicized, but I will do my best to navigate through the hyperbole and sidestepping to find straight answers. I look forward to the upcoming Senate trial with hopes that it will be less political theater.

Anyway recent history has shown us that who is "supposed" to win in January doesn't always come through in November.

Right. Where the Republican President is concerned you want answers. His conversation with President Zelenskyy (for which we have the transcript) and though much of his conversation was merely an extension of questions which have arisen out of the previous Joe/Hunter Biden dealings with--- Ukraine. Your intellectually inquisitive mind is inexplicably not at all interested. Nope, just give you answers about that nefarious Trump. ABTW, you do realize that the President's intel is the work product of the intelligence community, right? It's not like he dreams all this stuff. The whole process, daily briefings and timelines are hadable all the way back to the early days of the Obama administration. Lucid minds will prevail, as will MR Trump this fall.

I told you the President within moments was about to wow the world, he did. And still you will not cede the first inch.

[Cardfan1]

Right. Where the Republican President is concerned you want answers. His conversation with President Zelenskyy (for which we have the transcript) and though much of his conversation was merely an extension of questions which have arisen out of the previous Joe/Hunter Biden dealings with--- Ukraine. Your intellectually inquisitive mind is inexplicably not at all interested. Nope, just give you answers about that nefarious Trump. ABTW, you do realize that the President's intel is the work product of the intelligence community, right? It's not like he dreams all this stuff. The whole process, daily briefings and timelines are hadable all the way back to the early days of the Obama administration. Lucid minds will prevail, as will MR Trump this fall.

I told you the President within moments was about to wow the world, he did. And still you will not cede the first inch.

The phone call isn't the only issue in this scandal. Minimizing the complaints to that is disingenuous.

I have read the transcripts. The "get with Mr. Giuliani" part is what concerns me. Giuliani is not a govt. employee and is conducting foreign policy exercises for the administration. His involvement gives an appearance of a backchannel, under-the-table deal. Maybe that isn't the case, but other evidence besides the phone call suggests otherwise. As I have said throughout the thread, the democrat case is circumstantial and is based on a good degree of speculation. The only way we will really know if the President was attempting to slander a political rival with the aid of foreign govt. by withholding assistance is to question the folks involved--Bolton, Mulvany, Pompeo. I would include Giuliani, but being the President's lawyer gives him some protection, which is intentional I'm sure.

The Biden scandal is concerning to me. He is the frontrunner on the democratic ticket and could be POTUS. If VP Biden participated in the corruption in the Ukraine, he shouldn't receive the nomination. As far as Hunter Biden is concerned, I could care less what he has done in Ukraine.

My "intellectual mind" can compartmentalize the two situations. President Trump is the one that is bound by the Constitution and the laws of this land at this time and on this thread.

The faith in the intelligence community changes with the wind these days.

What "wowed the world"?

[TheRealThing]

The phone call isn't the only issue in this scandal. Minimizing the complaints to that is disingenuous.

I have read the transcripts. The "get with Mr. Giuliani" part is what concerns me. Giuliani is not a govt. employee and is conducting foreign policy exercises for the administration. His involvement gives an appearance of a backchannel, under-the-table deal. Maybe that isn't the case, but other evidence besides the phone call suggests otherwise. As I have said throughout the thread, the democrat case is circumstantial and is based on a good degree of speculation. The only way we will really know if the President was attempting to slander a political rival with the aid of foreign govt. by withholding assistance is to question the folks involved--Bolton, Mulvany, Pompeo. I would include Giuliani, but being the President's lawyer gives him some protection, which is intentional I'm sure.

The Biden scandal is concerning to me. He is the frontrunner on the democratic ticket and could be POTUS. If VP Biden participated in the corruption in the Ukraine, he shouldn't receive the nomination. As far as Hunter Biden is concerned, I could care less what he has done in Ukraine.

My "intellectual mind" can compartmentalize the two situations. President Trump is the one that is bound by the Constitution and the laws of this land at this time and on this thread.

The faith in the intelligence community changes with the wind these days.

What "wowed the world"?

I see. Did you read the Starr Report as well by chance? Do you remember Sidney Stone Blumenthal at all? Was he a government employee and did he conduct any business for Bill and Hill across what spanned decades worth of administrations? :please:

[Cardfan1]

I see. Did you read the Starr Report as well by chance? Do you remember Sidney Stone Blumenthal at all? Was he a government employee and did he conduct any business for Bill and Hill across what spanned decades worth of administrations? :please:

I refreshed myself on Mr. Blumenthal, but I’m missing the relevance.

He testified in the Senate Impeachment trial that Lewinsky made the first move on Bill, which I’m certain was a lie.

[TheRealThing]

I refreshed myself on Mr. Blumenthal, but I’m missing the relevance.

He testified in the Senate Impeachment trial that Lewinsky made the first move on Bill, which I’m certain was a lie.

Of course it was a lie. He's bought and paid for. But I took you back to the days of Ken Starr to demonstrate a point. Longevity, some say all the way back to whitewater. Rudy Giuliani at least had the distinction of being one of the President's lawyers. Not some covert operative that Rahm Emmanuel actually felt compelled to ban from the White House.


Sid Blumenthal is Bill and Hill's right hand, your dumb act about that isn't fooling anybody. He and his evil step mommy were linked in the news cycle throughout the scandals which plagued/plague her DAILY as the result of her exploits as Secretary of State. You're just like every other lock-step liberal lemming going. Repeat, stir, repeat. Or in situations of some duress, just act surprised at what you're hearing. By way of refresher--- https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201...again.html

BTW, mind sharing some of your more conservative values here? :biggrin:

[Cardfan1]

Of course it was a lie. He's bought and paid for. But I took you back to the days of Ken Starr to demonstrate a point. Longevity, some say all the way back to whitewater. Rudy Giuliani at least had the distinction of being one of the President's lawyers. Not some covert operative that Rahm Emmanuel actually felt compelled to ban from the White House.


Sid Blumenthal is Bill and Hill's right hand, your dumb act about that isn't fooling anybody. He and his evil step mommy were linked in the news cycle throughout the scandals which plagued/plague her DAILY as the result of her exploits as Secretary of State. You're just like every other lock-step liberal lemming going. Repeat, stir, repeat. Or in situations of some duress, just act surprised at what you're hearing. By way of refresher--- https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201...again.html

BTW, mind sharing some of your more conservative values here? :biggrin:

I’m lost.

Which administration was Blumenthal brokering foreign policy deals as a private citizen?
I know he worked in the Clinton Administration, and you said he was banned from the Obama administration.

I really don’t want to get off topic with past scandals, but if Blumenthal’s antics are apples to apples to Giuliani why aren’t you concerned about it as I am?

[TheRealThing]

I’m lost.

Which administration was Blumenthal brokering foreign policy deals as a private citizen?
I know he worked in the Clinton Administration, and you said he was banned from the Obama administration.

I really don’t want to get off topic with past scandals, but if Blumenthal’s antics are apples to apples to Giuliani why aren’t you concerned about it as I am?

Like I said. You and the rest of the left are so far around the bend Davy Crockett couldn't help you find yourselves. Mostly because many of you were indoctrinated into the fold at a young age and therefore have no basis for comparison. You think all this is an us against them fight, instead of a right against wrong fight.

Now. Nobody ever indicated that Giuliani and Blumenthal are in any way apples to apples. I am certainly not going to argue at length on the nature of MR Blumenthal's epic and dubious 'antics.' The article I sourced was ample enough to establish my point, but go ahead and act lost just the same. Don't get me wrong. I know where hope, especially desperate hope is concerned, the imagination can be strong tonic. Avail yourself. Nonetheless, the parallel between Blumenthal and your stated concerns does exist. But only in the case of Blumenthal, not Giuliani.

You are not in my opinion concerned. You are rather yearning, hoping against hope to see the left somehow delivered from the pickle barrel. No faint wisp is therefore too thin or too fragile to build upon to that end; i.e. the impeachment.

[Cardfan1]

Like I said. You and the rest of the left are so far around the bend Davy Crockett couldn't help you find yourselves. Mostly because many of you were indoctrinated into the fold at a young age and therefore have no basis for comparison. You think all this is an us against them fight, instead of a right against wrong fight.

Now. Nobody ever indicated that Giuliani and Blumenthal are in any way apples to apples. I am certainly not going to argue at length on the nature of MR Blumenthal's epic and dubious 'antics.' The article I sourced was ample enough to establish my point, but go ahead and act lost just the same. Don't get me wrong. I know where hope, especially desperate hope is concerned, the imagination can be strong tonic. Avail yourself. Nonetheless, the parallel between Blumenthal and your stated concerns does exist. But only in the case of Blumenthal, not Giuliani.

You are not in my opinion concerned. You are rather yearning, hoping against hope to see the left somehow delivered from the pickle barrel. No faint wisp is therefore too thin or too fragile to build upon to that end; i.e. the impeachment.

Sorry, I'm not giving that fake news site a click. The fact you trust it as your source for anything explains a lot including your tone that often lacks civility.

I say the same for the other side (dailykos, crooksandliars, etc.). The rise of those type media sites have poisoned the well in this nation, and it borders on criminal, IMO.

I do see this as a right vs. wrong situation. I don't care what party it is, or who it is.

Did the president withhold Congressional allocated funds to coerce a Eastern European nation into starting an investigation into his potential political rival?

If so, that's wrong and an executive abuse of power. Period. End of spin.

Asking that and wanting to get to the truth through the proper constitutional process doesn't make me a leftist/liberal/socialist lemming in lockstep with the national democratic party.

The case will very soon be at the trial stage, hopefully minus the political theater (at least in the Senate chambers) that the impeachment in the HOR had. Every impeachment trial(including judges) has had witnesses, so I expect that to be the case in this trial. If the President attempts to block the witnesses the perception of guilt will grow.

I have no problem with the defense calling Joe Biden as a witness either. He should be willing to appear, and if he refuses the perception of corruption guilt will grow. I'm no lawyer by trade, but the defense will have to prove Biden was guilty of corruption for him to be a viable witness. If they can't it's a waste of time.

[TheRealThing]

Sorry, I'm not giving that fake news site a click. The fact you trust it as your source for anything explains a lot including your tone that often lacks civility.

I say the same for the other side (dailykos, crooksandliars, etc.). The rise of those type media sites have poisoned the well in this nation, and it borders on criminal, IMO.

I do see this as a right vs. wrong situation. I don't care what party it is, or who it is.

Did the president withhold Congressional allocated funds to coerce a Eastern European nation into starting an investigation into his potential political rival?

If so, that's wrong and an executive abuse of power. Period. End of spin.

[SIZE="3"]Asking that and wanting to get to the truth through the proper constitutional process doesn't make me a leftist/liberal/socialist lemming in lockstep with the national democratic party.
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The case will very soon be at the trial stage, hopefully minus the political theater (at least in the Senate chambers) that the impeachment in the HOR had. Every impeachment trial(including judges) has had witnesses, so I expect that to be the case in this trial. If the President attempts to block the witnesses the perception of guilt will grow.

I have no problem with the defense calling Joe Biden as a witness either. He should be willing to appear, and if he refuses the perception of corruption guilt will grow. I'm no lawyer by trade, but the defense will have to prove Biden was guilty of corruption for him to be a viable witness. If they can't it's a waste of time.

Whew. You really planted your flag on the perceived high ground that time huh? LOL Takes more than liberal indignation to get to that point if you ask me. The following is said in consideration of your having omitted or at least conveniently forgotten about all of the Dem's preceding though failed efforts, to hang the impeachment albatross around MR Trump's neck. Which began BTW on election night 2016. Regardless of any assertion that the Dems fed you and that you in turn may have repeated here, the President has done absolutely nothing that would lead any reasonable person to be suspicious, much less conclude that he committed so much as one iota of definable wrongdoing where the Ukraine is concerned. Now, your hero Obama is a much different case. When Putin's tanks were roaring into Crimea Obama gave blankets and such. Where were you guy's delicate sensitivities then?

My responses here in this thread weren't really meant for you. And your stated concerns about the way the President has conducted foreign policy boiled down, don't amount to a hill of beans. On the one hand your side of this mess has built a house of cards on zero evidence. While they needed no evidence to get all disturbed and concerned in soap operish fashion, they have managed to completely avoid the rather replete collection of exculpatory evidence, as well as any media which may dare to try to present same. But your's is to put forth the DNC sanctioned talking points. And in return I pointed out elements of the factual evidentiary chain. I do not accept any rationale which ascribes to the President, any intent to diminish any one or more of his political foes with the help of Ukraine. In fact, I think the likelihood that the President perceives Joe Biden as a meaningful threat is very questionable at best. To that extent you and I for the moment, have come to the point of diminished return. And any interest others may have had in reading this is very likely long gone.

The bolded--- It certainly does in my book. Where the impeachment is concerned, past rabid speculation, nothing of substance exists. But really, after watching Dems in operation during the entirely of this Administration you seriously had the cheek to say "end of spin?"

As to your Senate trial predictions and findings, I prefer to wait for the trial and see what happens for myself. In any case short of removal, the left will just not ever stop pursuing our great President. The accusations and conspiracies will endure until this fall when hopefully the voter will give control of the House back to Republicans. At that point the organized resistance will lose it's grip on the power to persecute MR Trump, and all this will fade to it's proper domain, background noise.

[Cardfan1]

Now that was a them vs. us response.

Speaker Pelosi will be handing over the 2 Articles of Impeachment over soon, and we will see where the evidence takes us in the trial of POTUS 45.

[TheRealThing]

Now that was a them vs. us response.

Speaker Pelosi will be handing over the 2 Articles of Impeachment over soon, and we will see where the evidence takes us in the trial of POTUS 45.

:yikes: Yeah I'm terrified.

[Cardfan1]

President said he will block Bolton.

I guess nothing to see.

[TheRealThing]

President said he will block Bolton.

I guess nothing to see.

:Thumbs:

[jetpilot]

My search function must be torn up. I've looked everywhere for CF1 posts trying to get to the truth about Obama's drone attacks and pallets of cash to IRAN and not helping Ukraine fight Russia or his fury at J Kerry meeting with Iranians but can't find any. Dems only search for "truth" while attacking their rivals, they never question anything their own party does. I am happy to be on the opposite side of 97.9% of Dem ideas and policies.

[Spirit100]

The dems have lost their minds letting the radicals get entrenched and dictating policy. This independent looks forward to seeing how the Republicans capture the moderates and preserve American values.

The deep state will continue their post obama antics however I look forward to seeing how deep justice goes to reveal their crimes and who falls on the sword for them! 8 years of obama takes a while to correct.

The economy is doing great, small business is being supported, and just foreign policy has returned. Folks might not like our current President but he is doing a fantastic job re-directing 8 years of radical left policy and empowering our country for the better and benefit of the majority and minorities!

[Bob Seger]

The dems have lost their minds letting the radicals get entrenched and dictating policy. This independent looks forward to seeing how the Republicans capture the moderates and preserve American values.

The deep state will continue their post obama antics however I look forward to seeing how deep justice goes to reveal their crimes and who falls on the sword for them! 8 years of obama takes a while to correct.

The economy is doing great, small business is being supported, and just foreign policy has returned. Folks might not like our current President but he is doing a fantastic job re-directing 8 years of radical left policy and empowering our country for the better and benefit of the majority and minorities!

As in: Collins, Romney, Murkowski?

[Cardfan1]

With impeachment articles delivered the roller coaster begins. I can't say I like the choices of trial managers that the Speaker selected: too divisive.

I am curious how the new evidence released late Tuesday will play into this trial. Some of it is hard to explain away as nothing.

[Cardfan1]

My search function must be torn up. I've looked everywhere for CF1 posts trying to get to the truth about Obama's drone attacks and pallets of cash to IRAN and not helping Ukraine fight Russia or his fury at J Kerry meeting with Iranians but can't find any. Dems only search for "truth" while attacking their rivals, they never question anything their own party does. I am happy to be on the opposite side of 97.9% of Dem ideas and policies.

FWIW...

I didn't post anything about Obama since he didn't face impeachment.

I didn't support his Drone policies, didn't support his practices with Iran, and didn't respect his stance on Ukraine.

I do approve of a US Secretary of State meeting with any nation on this planet.

I don't think the sins of one administration justify corruption in the next administration.

[Cardfan1]

Are Trump’s lawyers even trying?

[TheRealThing]

FWIW...

I didn't post anything about Obama since he didn't face impeachment.

I didn't support his Drone policies, didn't support his practices with Iran, and didn't respect his stance on Ukraine.

> I do approve of a US Secretary of State meeting with any nation on this planet.

> I don't think the sins of one administration justify corruption in the next administration.

> Now, I know how hard it is to point out anything resembling achievement by the past administration, but you're seriously gonna try to paint over the embarrassment of the Iranian nuke deal? :please: All Kerry did was broker the cash and other payments, and grovel at the Iranian's feet.

History has proven beyond debate that appeasement just does not work, ever. That didn't stop the Obama administration though. Just about anybody you can name got bought off at one point or another. Right up until the last hours when O tried to send Palestine 21 million literally on his way out the back door of the White House. Trump stopped it BTW, an act I found to be immensely gratifying.

I don't mind the Secretary of State meeting with other nations either. I darn well got a big problem with them sneaking billions of dollars to be handed out like candy at a Christmas Parade, kept secret from the taxpayer. When John Kerry came to call he always had Uncle Sam's check book with him.


> Name the corruption that you are so sure MR Trump is guilty of.

[Cardfan1]

> Now, I know how hard it is to point out anything resembling achievement by the past administration, but you're seriously gonna try to paint over the embarrassment of the Iranian nuke deal? :please: All Kerry did was broker the cash and other payments, and grovel at the Iranian's feet.

History has proven beyond debate that appeasement just does not work, ever. That didn't stop the Obama administration though. Just about anybody you can name got bought off at one point or another. Right up until the last hours when O tried to send Palestine 21 million literally on his way out the back door of the White House. Trump stopped it BTW, an act I found to be immensely gratifying.

I don't mind the Secretary of State meeting with other nations either. I darn well got a big problem with them sneaking billions of dollars to be handed out like candy at a Christmas Parade, kept secret from the taxpayer. When John Kerry came to call he always had Uncle Sam's check book with him.


> Name the corruption that you are so sure MR Trump is guilty of.

Jury is out on Iran deal. Are they closer to a nuclear weapon today, or three years ago?
Sadly, we won’t know until Jerusalem is rubble.

The money was already frozen by Congressional request due to concerns over terror groups in Palestine, and the Obama administration had respected the request. Trump chose to maintain the freeze.

The situation you mentioned is a great example of Trump working within the boundaries of the executive branch, and working with Congress. He maintained the hold over national security concerns and notified Congress.

The impeachment managers have laid out a strong case describing the timeline of Trump’s attempt at corruption. Much stronger than I expected without Bolton, Mulvaney, and Pompeo testimony.

I’m going out on a limb and saying you haven’t been watching.

[jetpilot]

Jury is out on Iran deal. Are they closer to a nuclear weapon today, or three years ago?
Sadly, we won’t know until Jerusalem is rubble.

The money was already frozen by Congressional request due to concerns over terror groups in Palestine, and the Obama administration had respected the request. Trump chose to maintain the freeze.

The situation you mentioned is a great example of Trump working within the boundaries of the executive branch, and working with Congress. He maintained the hold over national security concerns and notified Congress.

The impeachment managers have laid out a strong case describing the timeline of Trump’s attempt at corruption. Much stronger than I expected without Bolton, Mulvaney, and Pompeo testimony.

I’m going out on a limb and saying you haven’t been watching.

"Attempt at corruption"nicker:
Case dismissed.

After all Dem BS in House and Senate, Republicans FINALLY heard from at 10 tomorrow morning. Idiot Dems case totally wrecked by 10:30 at the latest. Only good news for Dems is 97% of them won't be out of bed yet and the 3% that are will be watching cartoons.

[TheRealThing]

Jury is out on Iran deal. Are they closer to a nuclear weapon today, or three years ago?
Sadly, we won’t know until Jerusalem is rubble.

The money was already frozen by Congressional request due to concerns over terror groups in Palestine, and the Obama administration had respected the request. Trump chose to maintain the freeze.

The situation you mentioned is a great example of Trump working within the boundaries of the executive branch, and working with Congress. He maintained the hold over national security concerns and notified Congress.

The impeachment managers have laid out a strong case describing the timeline of Trump’s attempt at corruption. Much stronger than I expected without Bolton, Mulvaney, and Pompeo testimony.

I’m going out on a limb and saying you haven’t been watching.

Whereas I am certain that I would be standing on granite resting on bedrock, that you have feasted on the monkey puke with relish.

The impeachment managers have done nothing but repeat the same drivel they dreamed up in the House. Thankfully, the founders were much smarter than today's House majority. They envisioned the possible scenario where the House majority may be tempted to use their power to weaponize the impeachment process for light and/or transient cause; say like not liking his policy decisions such as they have in this day for example. And further in the ultimate irony, have tried to illegally use impeachment to get rid of a political foe. Thus they (the founders) included the necessary language to preclude same in the Constitution.

Your first three paragraphs are great examples of liberal revisionist malarkey.

[TheRealThing]

"Attempt at corruption"nicker:
Case dismissed.

After all Dem BS in House and Senate, Republicans FINALLY heard from at 10 tomorrow morning. Idiot Dems case totally wrecked by 10:30 at the latest. Only good news for Dems is 97% of them won't be out of bed yet and the 3% that are will be watching cartoons.

:hilarious::thatsfunn

[Bob Seger]

Lets set the record straight on it JP, they ARE the cartoons....


Ever watch "Looney Tunes"?