[Hoot Gibson]

Great news for the U.S. mining industry. President Trump deserves accolades for reducing the regulatory and tax burden that eight years of the Obama administration placed on this nation's mining industry.

Economy adds 201K jobs in August, unemployment holds at 3.9 percent

The U.S. economy added 201,000 jobs in August, slightly above expectations, as the job market rebounded following a July slump.

The unemployment rate held steady at 3.9 percent, near an 18-year low, the Labor Department reported Friday.

Mining employment increased by 6,000 in August, with the industry adding 104,000 jobs since October 2016.

I will provide details for these sensational numbers below.

[Hoot Gibson]

As noted above, the source of these fantastic job numbers is the Labor Department. In particular, the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics released the numbers as part of its August monthly jobs report.

Below is a link to the BLS August jobs report, which was referenced in The Hill's recent article. I have included an excerpt from the report that addresses the 104,000 new jobs in the mining industry since President Trump won the 2016 election.

Please note that these statistics include new coal mining jobs, but only a small percentage of the new jobs included were coal mining jobs.

Employment Situation Summary

Mining employment increased by 6,000 in August, after showing little change in July. Since a recent trough in October 2016, the industry has added 104,000 jobs, almost entirely in support activities for mining.

The image below demonstrates how the BLS arrived at the totals cited above and in The Hill's recent article.

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/att...1536818433]

[Hoot Gibson]

Barack Obama waged an 8-year publicly declared war on the U.S. coal mining industry. Understandably, the new gains in coal mining employment have been more modest as the industry begins the long process of recovering from an all out war waged by the most powerful government official in the world.

In fact, approximately 3,400 new coal mining jobs have been created since Trump won the 2016 presidential election. The image below shows data extracted from BLS databases for coal mining jobs and covers the same periods that were included in The Hill's recent article.

Trump has stopped the bleeding of the coal industry and renewed optimism among industry leaders. It takes time to obtain mining permits and to recruit and train coal miners after a prolonged period of mine closures. Other sectors of the mining industry were not engaged in an open war with Obama for 8 years. The coal industry survived Obama and is beginning to recover, which is a great accomplishment.

I personally believe that Obama destroyed eastern Kentucky coal mining jobs that will never be restored, but I am certain things will continue to improve until another socialist president is elected. The possibility of another socialist such as Obama winning the presidency will continue to discourage large capital investments in eastern Kentucky coal mines, IMO.

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/att...1536820366]

[4_real]

104k new mining jobs? Are you high?

[Hoot Gibson]

104k new mining jobs? Are you high?

I'm high on life and, as the Soldiers with whom I work like to say, I'm living the dream. Thanks for asking.

I provided a link to an article from the left leaning website, The Hill, which was written by an anti-Trump author, Vicki Needham. I have also explained the difference between new mining jobs and new coal mining jobs, and I have shown how those numbers are calculated and reported by the Bureau of Labor and Statistics.

I even provided pictures for those whose first language may not be plain English.

If you find any mistakes in my work, please let me know and I will correct them. Otherwise, if the economic improvements made under the Trump administration in the mining sector upsets you, then I suggest that you contact your Congressional. Representative to voice your complaints.

[TheRealThing]

I'm high on life and, as the Soldiers with whom I work like to say, I'm living the dream. Thanks for asking.

I provided a link to an article from the left leaning website, The Hill, which was written by an anti-Trump author, Vicki Needham. I have also explained the difference between new mining jobs and new coal mining jobs, and I have shown how those numbers are calculated and reported by the Bureau of Labor and Statistics.

I even provided pictures for those whose first language may not be plain English.

If you find any mistakes in my work, please let me know and I will correct them. Otherwise, if the economic improvements made under the Trump administration in the mining sector upsets you, then I suggest that you contact your Congressional. Representative to voice your complaints.

And as I pointed out repeatedly, the media world does not exist just to back up your off the wall opinions. SourceWatch certainly doesn’t, and makes the case for 174 thousand coal mining jobs. But you stick to the Hoot Gibson number, no way SourceWatch has it right if you say there’s only 50 thousand.

[Hoot Gibson]

And as I pointed out repeatedly, the media world does not exist just to back up your off the wall opinions. SourceWatch certainly doesn’t, and makes the case for 174 thousand coal mining jobs. But you stick to the Hoot Gibson number, no way SourceWatch has it right if you say there’s only 50 thousand.

I have shown where the 104,000 number originated in great detail, TRT. Nobody but you has claimed that 104,000 coal mining jobs have been created since Donald Trump was elected. Nobody has made such a claim because it is not true.

Mining jobs, coal mining jobs, mining-related jobs, and coal-mining jobs are phrases that all have different meanings. You inserted the word "coal" into the official number of jobs created since Oct. 2016, as compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That is not my number, that is the Trump administration's number, as it was reported in The Hill article that you cited as your source for new "coal mining jobs."

Nothing that you quoted from SourceWatch, the website supported by George Soros, the Tides Foundation, and other radical left wing groups, is remotely related to the claim that you made.

You took an accurate report of the number of mining jobs created since Donald Trump's election, which was contained in a BLS monthly jobs report, and misrepresented it by taking poetic liberties with the facts. You're no poet, TRT.

As President John Adams said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

[TheRealThing]

^^. As far as I can see all you’ve managed to ‘show’ is your “I have to be right syndrome,’. :biggrin:

[vector]

Wonder how many jobs have been created in the health care field since Obamacare was passed in 2010 by a super majority in the senate (where as somone on this site said it was passed in the senate by a simple majority)

My estimate would be at least a million

[Hoot Gibson]

^^. As far as I can see all you’ve managed to ‘show’ is your “I have to be right syndrome,’. :biggrin:

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. There is nothing funny about dishonesty.

[Hoot Gibson]

Wonder how many jobs have been created in the health care field since Obamacare was passed in 2010 by a super majority in the senate (where as somone on this site said it was passed in the senate by a simple majority)

My estimate would be at least a million

You are wrong, vector.

The version of Obamacare that Obama signed into law was passed by a simple majority in the Senate. Democrats had earlier secured 60 votes in the Senate to send the bill to the House. The House made some changes to the bill and passed it with no Republican votes. Democrats then used the budget reconciliation process to approve the House version of the bill in the Senate by a simple majority.

(Republican Scott Brown's election to the Senate meant that Democrats no longer controlled a supermajority of 60 votes, which is reason they circumvented a normal vote that required the 60 votes to send the final version to Obama's desk.)

Undoubtedly Obamacare created many jobs in healthcare and government, as it destroyed an untold number of jobs in most other sectors of the economy. Obamacare has been a disaster for our economy, which is thriving in spite of the law - not because of it.

[vector]

You are wrong, vector.

The version of Obamacare that Obama signed into law was passed by a simple majority in the Senate. Democrats had earlier secured 60 votes in the Senate to send the bill to the House. The House made some changes to the bill and passed it with no Republican votes. Democrats then used the budget reconciliation process to approve the House version of the bill in the Senate by a simple majority.

(Republican Scott Brown's election to the Senate meant that Democrats no longer controlled a supermajority of 60 votes, which is reason they circumvented a normal vote that required the 60 votes to send the final version to Obama's desk.)

Undoubtedly Obamacare created many jobs in healthcare and government, as it destroyed an untold number of jobs in most other sectors of the economy. Obamacare has been a disaster for our economy, which is thriving in spite of the law - not because of it.

I believe you are wrong the bill signed into law was passed in the senate with 60 VOTES the house had to pass the senate bill right before before the end of the year in fact xmas eve

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r...vote=00396

https://www.forbes.com/sites/physiciansf...f16cee526b


The senate had already passed Obamacare before Brown won his special election so the house had to vote on the senate bill

As far as the job numbers HEALTH CARE JOBS have been going up every since the bill became law

[TheRealThing]

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. There is nothing funny about dishonesty.

Right LOL, only you are entitled to your own facts. :biglmao:

[Hoot Gibson]

I believe you are wrong the bill signed into law was passed in the senate with 60 VOTES the house had to pass the senate bill right before before the end of the year in fact xmas eve

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r...vote=00396

https://www.forbes.com/sites/physiciansf...f16cee526b


The senate had already passed Obamacare before Brown won his special election so the house had to vote on the senate bill

As far as the job numbers HEALTH CARE JOBS have been going up every since the bill became law

The bill did pass the Senate originally with 60 votes, but the House amended the bill before passing it, which required a Senate vote on the amended bill. Republicans thought that Brown cutting the Democrats effective majority to 59-41 would kill the bill, and that is when Harry Reid decided to avoid a cloture vote by using the budget reconciliation process. The difference between the House and Senate bills had to be resolved before a single bill could be signed into law.

IMO, it was unconstitutional for the bill to pass the Senate first. Spending bills are supposed to originate in the House and Obamacare was a huge tax and spend bill. It doesn't really matter because Democrats would have turned the nuclear option if all else had failed.

Anyway, Obamacare is off topic and I would prefer that a second thread containing the truth about the 104,000 new mining jobs that have been created under Trump's watch not get closed for being off topic.

[vector]

The bill did pass the Senate originally with 60 votes, but the House amended the bill before passing it, which required a Senate vote on the amended bill. Republicans thought that Brown cutting the Democrats effective majority to 59-41 would kill the bill, and that is when Harry Reid decided to avoid a cloture vote by using the budget reconciliation process. The difference between the House and Senate bills had to be resolved before a single bill could be signed into law.

IMO, it was unconstitutional for the bill to pass the Senate first. Spending bills are supposed to originate in the House and Obamacare was a huge tax and spend bill. It doesn't really matter because Democrats would have turned the nuclear option if all else had failed.

Anyway, Obamacare is off topic and I would prefer that a second thread containing the truth about the 104,000 new mining jobs that have been created under Trump's watch not get closed for being off topic.

The bill signed into law was passed in the senate with 60 VOTES the house had to pass the senate bill without changing anything if they waited till after the first of the year when Brown took office it would never passed

And if it means anything TRT added the word COAL thinking nobody would catch it

[Hoot Gibson]

Right LOL, only you are entitled to your own facts. :biglmao:

You might as well be arguing that the Bengals won last year's Super Bowl, TRT. Matters of public record are either true or not true. Your claim was patently false. You know it, I know it, and everybody who took time to read the first few posts in this thread know it.

The smart thing to do would be to be quiet and lie low for awhile to give honest folks time to forget what you did.

[TheRealThing]

The bill signed into law was passed in the senate with 60 VOTES the house had to pass the senate bill without changing anything if they waited till after the first of the year when Brown took office it would never passed

And if it means anything TRT added the word COAL thinking nobody would catch it

Obama had total control of the US Congress between the dates of September 24, 2009 and Feb 4, 2010. That’s when ObamaCare was rammed through.

[TheRealThing]

You might as well be arguing that the Bengals won last year's Super Bowl, TRT. Matters of public record are either true or not true. Your claim was patently false. You know it, I know it, and everybody who took time to read the first few posts in this thread know it.

The smart thing to do would be to be quiet and lie low for awhile to give honest folks time to forget what you did.

Right, and coal truckers aren’t coal jobs even though they haul coal to hear you tell it. Heck, I didn’t realize it until just now but you really are a genius!!!

[Hoot Gibson]

The bill signed into law was passed in the senate with 60 VOTES the house had to pass the senate bill without changing anything if they waited till after the first of the year when Brown took office it would never passed.

And if it means anything TRT added the word COAL thinking nobody would catch it

I stand corrected, vector. My recollection was that the original Obamacare bill was amended and the Senate then passed the amended version after changing the rules.

In fact, Reid worked out a deal with Pelosi to get the original bill passed in the House, in exchange for the Senate passing separate bill originating in the House to amend some terms of the original bill. The Senate then passed the second bill under the budget reconciliation rules to avoid a cloture vote that Democrats would have lost.

As for your second point, there has never been any doubt what TRT tried to do. If you had not pointed out what he did, I would have. You are on a roll. nicker:

That does not change the fact that Trump has done right by all types of miners since he took office. Obama's successful effort to have the coal burning units removed from the Louisa power plant have devastated the coal mining industry throughout the Big Sandy valley.

[Hoot Gibson]

Right, and coal truckers aren’t coal jobs even though they haul coal to hear you tell it. Heck, I didn’t realize it until just now but you really are a genius!!!

You're arguing against the points made in the article to which you linked and then misquoted! Talk about a genius! Can you say paper trail? :biglmao:

[vector]

I stand corrected, vector. My recollection was that the original Obamacare bill was amended and the Senate then passed the amended version after changing the rules.

In fact, Reid worked out a deal with Pelosi to get the original bill passed in the House, in exchange for the Senate passing separate bill originating in the House to amend some terms of the original bill. The Senate then passed the second bill under the budget reconciliation rules to avoid a cloture vote that Democrats would have lost.

As for your second point, there has never been any doubt what TRT tried to do. If you had not pointed out what he did, I would have. You are on a roll. nicker:

That does not change the fact that Trump has done right by all types of miners since he took office. Obama's successful effort to have the coal burning units removed from the Louisa power plant have devastated the coal mining industry throughout the Big Sandy valley.

You do know we still get our power from a coal plant

[vector]

Obama had total control of the US Congress between the dates of September 24, 2009 and Feb 4, 2010. That’s when ObamaCare was rammed through.

Surprised me you didn't try to sneak the word COAL in there somewhere nicker:

[Hoot Gibson]

You do know we still get our power from a coal plant

Most areas of the country probably still get some of their electricity from coal, but in my recent trips by the Louisa plant, I saw no coal stockpiled and no trucks lined up where 100 or more trucks used to wait in line to dump their loads.

Those are jobs that Obama destroyed that are not coming back. The coal industry in eastern Kentucky will continue to rebound to some extent until voters like you put another liberal Democrat in the White House.

I have read that coal's share of the power generation in this country has dropped to around 30 percent of the total. Thanks, Obama!

[vector]

Most areas of the country probably still get some of their electricity from coal, but in my recent trips by the Louisa plant, I saw no coal stockpiled and no trucks lined up where 100 or more trucks used to wait in line to dump their loads.

Those are jobs that Obama destroyed that are not coming back. The coal industry in eastern Kentucky will continue to rebound to some extent until voters like you put another liberal Democrat in the White House.

I have read that coal's share of the power generation in this country has dropped to around 30 percent of the total. Thanks, Obama!

https://kentucky.gov/Pages/Activity-Stre...essRelease


You are right I am on a roll inglepar

[Hoot Gibson]

Obama had total control of the US Congress between the dates of September 24, 2009 and Feb 4, 2010. That’s when ObamaCare was rammed through.

The House passed the bill by a 219–212 vote on March 21, 2010, and Obama signed the bill into law on March 23, 2010. Democrats lost their filibuster-proof majority when Scott Brown won the seat that Ted Kennedy vacated in the Senate - although Democrats did maintain majorities in both houses.

[vector]

And that's not everything

https://www.kentuckypower.com/info/news/...aseID=2539

[Hoot Gibson]

https://kentucky.gov/Pages/Activity-Stre...essRelease


You are right I am on a roll inglepar

How does purchasing an interest in a coal fired power plant in Moundsville, West Virginia, help eastern Kentucky coal miners?

[Hoot Gibson]

And that's not everything

https://www.kentuckypower.com/info/news/...aseID=2539

You do realize that "high sulphur coal in northern Appalachia" means coal located in northern West Virginia, don't you? This may be good news for consumers in eastern Kentucky if power bills are reduced, but I fail to see how this helps eastern Kentucky coal miners or helps mitigate the disastrous impact of Obama's war on coal in eastern Kentucky.

Please show me the connection. How is buying high sulphur coal in northern West Virginia and burning the coal in the Moundsville power plant going to help eastern Kentucky's coal industry?

[vector]

How does purchasing an interest in a coal fired power plant in Moundsville, West Virginia, help eastern Kentucky coal miners?

It doesn't why not just put scrubbers in the plants and keep the jobs here instead of WV

Could it be GREED ?

They put scrubbers in the Mitchel plant why not put them in the big sandy plant

Instead of KY power customers paying for a half of a plant in WV

But if you was a business man would you want to operate 1 plant or 3 plants?

[vector]

You do realize that "high sulphur coal in northern Appalachia" means coal located in northern West Virginia, don't you? This may be good news for consumers in eastern Kentucky if power bills are reduced, but I fail to see how this helps eastern Kentucky coal miners or helps mitigate the disastrous impact of Obama's war on coal in eastern Kentucky.

Please show me the connection. How is buying high sulphur coal in northern West Virginia and burning the coal in the Moundsville power plant going to help eastern Kentucky's coal industry?

It was a business decision simple do I want to operate 1 PLANT or 2 PLANTS hmmm

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