[The Urban Sombrero]

Balance of Powers is THE foundational, fundamental cornerstone of our system of government. President Trump’s legal team’s absolute powers reasoning won’t hold. To say that the President has a “broad range of powers” does not mean he or she has absolute power, or a sort of infallible power that cannot be reprimanded or punished if used maliciously.

[TheRealThing]

^^ The fact that you made this argument proves you can grasp at least some, of the fundamental concepts of our founding. Of course not that Republicans are completely principled in such matters either, but there is that particular failing in which you deny Republicans completely, while you falsely ascribe those lofty principles to liberal/progressive Democrats. Had you for example, made this argument during the Obama administration it would have been spot on. But no, you sat on your hands for assumedly 8 years, and certainly since your emergence as Sombrero, exclaiming, "That's politics folks!" Making every possible concession for Obama that you could, and that often in the face of irrefutable and incontrovertible proof otherwise. I mean, if the President tried to hide 33 emails, much less 33.000 emails, your side would be howling like a pack of werewolves.

To say the President of the United States, should the behavior of some federal official become erratic or destructive to the best interests of the people, could not summarily dismiss such employee at his own pleasure is in a word, asinine. The left's efforts to make federal agencies unaccountable to the executive branch, would also make said agencies and their personnel unaccountable to the people of the United States. So while you're continually on-point as if you could sniff out some failing on the part of DJT on your own, you're MORE than willing to lay smoke for Barack and his merry band of rabid chipmunks. But then, this post is intended to correct the ridiculousness of the thread starter, not the author.

[Bob Seger]

Balance of Powers is THE foundational, fundamental cornerstone of our system of government. President Trump’s legal team’s absolute powers reasoning won’t hold. To say that the President has a “broad range of powers” does not mean he or she has absolute power, or a sort of infallible power that cannot be reprimanded or punished if used maliciously.

Gee golly, this cat knows everything about everything.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Gee golly, this cat knows everything about everything.

Cap’s in the cradle for lil’ boy Bob...

Of course, now Trudy Gillianna is spouting the Nixonian nonsense hinting that the President is above the law. And, Huckleberry is saying nine times in fifteen minutes, “Aw, shucks, he t’ain’t done nuthin’ wrong.” Funny stuff. TRT? Rib-tickling comedy.

[TheRealThing]

Cap’s in the cradle for lil’ boy Bob...

Of course, now Trudy Gillianna is spouting the Nixonian nonsense hinting that the President is above the law. And, Huckleberry is saying nine times in fifteen minutes, “Aw, shucks, he t’ain’t done nuthin’ wrong.” Funny stuff. TRT? Rib-tickling comedy.

Go ahead, try and laugh it all off. NOBODY on this board buys it except bobblehead.

Your post is unsubstantiated and unsourced blather. But I guarantee you'll be sticking close to the DNC generated talking points and the talking head rationales that go with them from now on. No stepping out on your own for you anymore huh? Trump and his campaign are completely innocent of any wrongdoing whatever, or the Mueller 'team' would have leaked at least one tidbit for those of your ilk starving for even the tiniest ray of hope.

[Hoot Gibson]

Cap’s in the cradle for lil’ boy Bob...

Of course, now Trudy Gillianna is spouting the Nixonian nonsense hinting that the President is above the law. And, Huckleberry is saying nine times in fifteen minutes, “Aw, shucks, he t’ain’t done nuthin’ wrong.” Funny stuff. TRT? Rib-tickling comedy.

Your fundamental misunderstanding of the U.S. Constitution and our form of government is mind boggling.

The power of the Executive Branch of our federal government is balanced by the power of the Senate to remove the President from power. I am skeptical that the Supreme Court would ever rule that a president has the power to pardon himself, but any president who pardoned himself would most likely be impeached, convicted, and removed from office before the SC had time to rule on the matter - so it is a moot point. However, the Constitution does not limit a president's power to grant pardons, so the question of a self-pardon is far from settled law.

Nothing that Trump or Giuliani have said could be accurately characterized as a belief that President Trump believes that any president is above the law. Of course, accuracy is not your forte.

[Bob Seger]

Cap’s in the cradle for lil’ boy Bob...

Of course, now Trudy Gillianna is spouting the Nixonian nonsense hinting that the President is above the law. And, Huckleberry is saying nine times in fifteen minutes, “Aw, shucks, he t’ain’t done nuthin’ wrong.” Funny stuff. TRT? Rib-tickling comedy.

lol...

And this coming from the cat who started that ridiculous Rosa Parks thread...You know, the one that he refuses to comment back on after he made an utter fool out of himself on...:popcorn:

How 'bout it booblehead?...You anything to say? Oh, I forgot you haven't learned how to think all by your little self yet....haha

[Bob Seger]

ttt

Lest we forget.

[TheRealThing]

^^Oh don't worry, the only guy even acting like he forgot is the guy who wrote it in the first place.

[TheRealThing]

Your fundamental misunderstanding of the U.S. Constitution and our form of government is mind boggling.

The power of the Executive Branch of our federal government is balanced by the power of the Senate to remove the President from power. I am skeptical that the Supreme Court would ever rule that a president has the power to pardon himself, but any president who pardoned himself would most likely be impeached, convicted, and removed from office before the SC had time to rule on the matter - so it is a moot point. However, the Constitution does not limit a president's power to grant pardons, so the question of a self-pardon is far from settled law.

Nothing that Trump or Giuliani have said could be accurately characterized as a belief that President Trump believes that any president is above the law. Of course, accuracy is not your forte.

Baloney is his forte Hoot. Former (mercifully) President barack obama, is on record making the following categorical statement in one way or another, at least 22 times.

BARACK OBAMA, Oct 2010--- “My cabinet has been working very hard on trying to get it (illegal immigrant amnesty) done, but ultimately, I think somebody said the other day, I am president, [SIZE="3"]I am not king,” [/SIZE]Obama told Univision in October 2010, when asked why he had yet to achieve comprehensive immigration reform.


Now witness what the magic of liberal rationalization can accomplish when liberals are in power as follows below,

BARACK OBAMA, MARCH 2011---
"America is a nation of laws, which means I, as the President, am obligated to enforce the law. I don't have a choice about that. That's part of my job. But I can advocate for changes in the law so that we have a country that is both respectful of the law but also continues to be a great nation of immigrants. … With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed …. [W]e’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law."


BARACK OBAMA, FEB 2013---
“I swore an oath to uphold the laws on the books …. Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own. Believe me, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. I promise you. Not just on immigration reform. But that's not how our system works. That’s not how our democracy functions. That's not how our Constitution is written.”



White House Press Room, November 19, 2014---
ABC's JOHN KARL to White House Press Secretary Josh in-Earnest
“Does the President still stand by what he said last year when he said, ‘I am not the emperor of the United States; my job is to execute laws that are passed.’ Is that still operative?” asked Jonathan Karl, reporter for ABC, during Tuesday’s White House press briefing.

“Absolutely,” replied White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest.

“Not a king either?” asked Karl, to audience chuckles.

“That’s right,” said Earnest flatly.


NOVEMBER 20, 2014
WASHINGTON – In a prime-time speech to the nation Thursday evening, President Obama declared that he will unilaterally halt deportations of millions of illegal aliens despite strong objections of many in Congress and widespread opposition from the American public.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/obama-grants-...C33yUXb.99



Now in generalizing here based on consideration of that which is patently obvious in the evolution of events touched on in the quotes above, it only took King Barack 8 years to unravel what has stood the test of time and trial, for 240 years. That being the US Constitution. But if Obama didn't think he was taking executive actions that only a king could have made when he by fiat, just passed down 'edicts' like the one in which he suddenly granted legal status to millions of illegal immigrants, you could have fooled me. I mean, the words came out of his own mouth.

So here we are again at make-a-point-time. The poor individual beset with the mental condition known as 'projection,' does and says certain things, and then accuses others of doing what he has just done. Thus I give you The Urban Sombrero and the ridiculous premise of this thread. Nobody has been granted a pardon for anything associated with the witch hunt headed up by Mueller. That is just an idea and a debate we're having right now because the talking heads on left know that pardons, like immigration control, are demonstrably within Presidential purview, and because the left's true intent in all of this is the subversion of our present government, they are fearful Mr Trump might rightfully exercise that duly granted constitutional power. But in Sombrero's mind it was okay for Obama to do what he did, in granting amnesty (all courtesy of the ongoing taxpayer dime BTW) to over 5 million illegals. :dudecomeon:

[Hoot Gibson]

Baloney is his forte Hoot. Former (mercifully) President barack obama, is on record making the following categorical statement in one way or another, at least 22 times.

BARACK OBAMA, Oct 2010--- “My cabinet has been working very hard on trying to get it (illegal immigrant amnesty) done, but ultimately, I think somebody said the other day, I am president, [SIZE="3"]I am not king,” [/SIZE]Obama told Univision in October 2010, when asked why he had yet to achieve comprehensive immigration reform.


Now witness what the magic of liberal rationalization can accomplish when liberals are in power as follows below,

BARACK OBAMA, MARCH 2011---
"America is a nation of laws, which means I, as the President, am obligated to enforce the law. I don't have a choice about that. That's part of my job. But I can advocate for changes in the law so that we have a country that is both respectful of the law but also continues to be a great nation of immigrants. … With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed …. [W]e’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law."


BARACK OBAMA, FEB 2013---
“I swore an oath to uphold the laws on the books …. Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own. Believe me, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. I promise you. Not just on immigration reform. But that's not how our system works. That’s not how our democracy functions. That's not how our Constitution is written.”



White House Press Room, November 19, 2014---
ABC's JOHN KARL to White House Press Secretary Josh in-Earnest
“Does the President still stand by what he said last year when he said, ‘I am not the emperor of the United States; my job is to execute laws that are passed.’ Is that still operative?” asked Jonathan Karl, reporter for ABC, during Tuesday’s White House press briefing.

“Absolutely,” replied White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest.

“Not a king either?” asked Karl, to audience chuckles.

“That’s right,” said Earnest flatly.


NOVEMBER 20, 2014
WASHINGTON – In a prime-time speech to the nation Thursday evening, President Obama declared that he will unilaterally halt deportations of millions of illegal aliens despite strong objections of many in Congress and widespread opposition from the American public.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/obama-grants-...C33yUXb.99



Now in generalizing here based on consideration of that which is patently obvious in the evolution of events touched on in the quotes above, it only took King Barack 8 years to unravel what has stood the test of time and trial, for 240 years. That being the US Constitution. But if Obama didn't think he was taking executive actions that only a king could have made when he by fiat, just passed down 'edicts' like the one in which he suddenly granted legal status to millions of illegal immigrants, you could have fooled me. I mean, the words came out of his own mouth.

So here we are again at make-a-point-time. The poor individual beset with the mental condition known as 'projection,' does and says certain things, and then accuses others of doing what he has just done. Thus I give you The Urban Sombrero and the ridiculous premise of this thread. Nobody has been granted a pardon for anything associated with the witch hunt headed up by Mueller. That is just an idea and a debate we're having right now because the talking heads on left know that pardons, like immigration control, are demonstrably within Presidential purview, and because the left's true intent in all of this is the subversion of our present government, they are fearful Mr Trump might rightfully exercise that duly granted constitutional power. But in Sombrero's mind it was okay for Obama to do what he did, in granting amnesty (all courtesy of the ongoing taxpayer dime BTW) to over 5 million illegals. :dudecomeon:

Sombrero would have been happy to have called Mr. Obama King Barack the First. He defended every unconstitutional, imperial action that Barack I took.

The impact on American culture that King Obama took concerning his unconstitutional, royal decrees regarding illegal aliens cannot be overstated. Unfortunately, I have a likely illegal alien from Mexico living in my neighborhood. My wife politely informed him of the many free English classes for recent immigrants. His response was a statement that he has no interest in learning English. It is my experience that his attitude toward assimilation is more common among Mexican immigrants to this country than any other group.

I recently renewed my interest in amateur radio and purchased a software-defined radio for my laptop. Do you remember when we were young and listened to music on AM radio? Sometimes radio stations broadcasting in Spanish interfered with American stations during the evening.

When I tune across the AM band during the daytime in this area, I find almost as many American stations broadcasting in Spanish as English. Why? Because there are so many illegal immigrants who prefer not to learn English. Spanish is spoken in so many restaurants and retail businesses in many DC area neighborhoods, it is very easy for non-English speakers to get by with no problem.

Immigrants from most other countries are generally eager to learn English, learn our language and become assimilated to this country's culture as our own ancestors did. (Obviously, a large percentage of Muslim immigrants share the disdain for becoming Americans that my Mexican neighbor has.)

[Bob Seger]

Sombrero would have been happy to have called Mr. Obama King Barack the First. He defended every unconstitutional, imperial action that Barack I took.

The impact on American culture that King Obama took concerning his unconstitutional, royal decrees regarding illegal aliens cannot be overstated. Unfortunately, I have a likely illegal alien from Mexico living in my neighborhood. My wife politely informed him of the many free English classes for recent immigrants. His response was a statement that he has no interest in learning English. It is my experience that his attitude toward assimilation is more common among Mexican immigrants to this country than any other group.

I recently renewed my interest in amateur radio and purchased a software-defined radio for my laptop. Do you remember when we were young and listened to music on AM radio? Sometimes radio stations broadcasting in Spanish interfered with American stations during the evening.

When I tune across the AM band during the daytime in this area, I find almost as many American stations broadcasting in Spanish as English. Why? Because there are so many illegal immigrants who prefer not to learn English. Spanish is spoken in so many restaurants and retail businesses in many DC area neighborhoods, it is very easy for non-English speakers to get by with no problem.

Immigrants from most other countries are generally eager to learn English, learn our language and become assimilated to this country's culture as our own ancestors did. (Obviously, a large percentage of Muslim immigrants share the disdain for becoming Americans that my Mexican neighbor has.)

Yes Hoot, I sure do.....I vividly remember the loop antennas and the station logs I kept to see how many stations I could pick up....You remember doing that?

[Hoot Gibson]

Yes Hoot, I sure do.....I vividly remember the loop antennas and the station logs I kept to see how many stations I could pick up....You remember doing that?

I remember it well, Bob. I built a small loop antenna last week, including a variable capacitor to allow me to tune it. I am planning to build a much larger one soon. As a hobby, radio presents a lot of challenges when you live in a densely populated area.

With an SDR, a 4 or 5 ft. loop antenna, and a mountaintop, I think I might pick up some European AM stations. I miss the star-filled skies and great radio reception of eastern Kentucky. A decent sized mountain is about an hour and a half away from here.

I let my Technician ham license expire a couple of years ago, but I plan on getting my General or Extra class license this summer. The FCC dropped the Morse code test back in 2007.

I bought a cheap dual band handheld transceiver a couple of weeks ago, but I wish that I lived where I could have an antenna farm. 😀

[TheRealThing]

Sombrero would have been happy to have called Mr. Obama King Barack the First. He defended every unconstitutional, imperial action that Barack I took.

The impact on American culture that King Obama took concerning his unconstitutional, royal decrees regarding illegal aliens cannot be overstated. Unfortunately, I have a likely illegal alien from Mexico living in my neighborhood. My wife politely informed him of the many free English classes for recent immigrants. His response was a statement that he has no interest in learning English. It is my experience that his attitude toward assimilation is more common among Mexican immigrants to this country than any other group.

I recently renewed my interest in amateur radio and purchased a software-defined radio for my laptop. Do you remember when we were young and listened to music on AM radio? Sometimes radio stations broadcasting in Spanish interfered with American stations during the evening.

When I tune across the AM band during the daytime in this area, I find almost as many American stations broadcasting in Spanish as English. Why? Because there are so many illegal immigrants who prefer not to learn English. Spanish is spoken in so many restaurants and retail businesses in many DC area neighborhoods, it is very easy for non-English speakers to get by with no problem.

Immigrants from most other countries are generally eager to learn English, learn our language and become assimilated to this country's culture as our own ancestors did. (Obviously, a large percentage of Muslim immigrants share the disdain for becoming Americans that my Mexican neighbor has.)

I get the impression that established immigrants from Mexico, such as those who own Mexican Restaurants or those who own construction companies for example, are here for the long haul. But I don't believe they intend to retire here in the USA, which of course means they will be taking their acquired wealth with them back to Mexico. And as for the endless stream of Mexican green card workers and the like that they employ? They are certainly only here as long as there is money to be made. Please do not misunderstand me, I have met some folks from Mexico who're very good people and I like them as much as I do anybody else. But for the vast majority, nice or not, America is just a piñata. And I haven't even mentioned the fact that of the millions of Mexican immigrants in this country, over 50% legal or illegal, are on welfare. According to USA Today, the Mexican population costs the American taxpayer north of 110 billion annually.

But because I think most Mexican immigrants sort of just barely tolerate life in this country, I do not believe most of them feel any particular need (or desire) to learn English. I saw a crew of Mexican workers come in to replace a storm damaged roof on my neighbor's house. Two story house with a detached garage. In the dog days of summer mind you, they had the old roof torn off, the new roof nailed on and all trimmed out. As well as having every scrap of debris picked up and loaded out in 4 1/2 hours. That my friend is fast. Compare workers like that to Americans whose primary concern is making up what they feel, is a plausible excuse for not coming to work at all. That is if they even have a job in the first place. According to Nancy Pelosi, America has given rise to a generation of aspiring artists who deserve welfare payments.

At any rate, I remember the normal times in this country. And frankly, they are not that long past. People largely took responsibility for their own actions, and were self sufficient. Going to work to 'make it' a scant decade ago, was a privilege which was faced full tilt. So it will take a lot more than revisionist blather on the parts of San Fran Nan or Sombrero to convince me all that didn't really happen. I will be at the polling place this fall to vote for Republicans, warts and all. At this point pragmatic logic is the best option from among a very poor list of options. Unfortunate, but as with anything, apathy does not exactly produce a bumper crop.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Your fundamental misunderstanding of the U.S. Constitution and our form of government is mind boggling.

The power of the Executive Branch of our federal government is balanced by the power of the Senate to remove the President from power. I am skeptical that the Supreme Court would ever rule that a president has the power to pardon himself, but any president who pardoned himself would most likely be impeached, convicted, and removed from office before the SC had time to rule on the matter - so it is a moot point. However, the Constitution does not limit a president's power to grant pardons, so the question of a self-pardon is far from settled law.

Nothing that Trump or Giuliani have said could be accurately characterized as a belief that President Trump believes that any president is above the law. Of course, accuracy is not your forte.

Excuse me for taking the tweeting don at his word, and for taking Rudy Guliani as a butt-kissing embarrassment who just so desperately wants to be Attorney General. My understanding of the Constitution is just fine. It’s the tweeting don who appears confused. Rudy knows better. He just wants to be AG. Or maybe a SC Justice.

[Bob Seger]

Excuse me for taking the tweeting don at his word, and for taking Rudy Guliani as a butt-kissing embarrassment who just so desperately wants to be Attorney General. My understanding of the Constitution is just fine. It’s the tweeting don who appears confused. Rudy knows better. He just wants to be AG. Or maybe a SC Justice.

The real embarrassment was voted out of office 2 years ago.

I know that's your boy and all.

[TheRealThing]

The real embarrassment was voted out of office 2 years ago.

I know that's your boy and all.

Isn't THAT the truth!

[The Urban Sombrero]

The real embarrassment was voted out of office 2 years ago.

I know that's your boy and all.

Why am I not surprised that you would refer to a black man as “boy”?

[The Urban Sombrero]

Isn't THAT the truth!

Why am I not surprised that you would echo a capped poster referring to Barack Obama as “boy”?

[TheRealThing]

Why am I not surprised that you would echo a capped poster referring to Barack Obama as “boy”?

Um, I'll take 'because you are a pathetic and hopeless race baiter' for a hundred Alex. :biggrin:

[The Urban Sombrero]

lol...

And this coming from the cat who started that ridiculous Rosa Parks thread...You know, the one that he refuses to comment back on after he made an utter fool out of himself on...:popcorn:

How 'bout it booblehead?...You anything to say? Oh, I forgot you haven't learned how to think all by your little self yet....haha

What you fail to understand...eh, never mind.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Um, I'll take 'because you are a pathetic and hopeless race baiter' for a hundred Alex. :biggrin:

Hey, Echo Chamber, you said it. At least have the integrity to own it. Wait, you are toadies of the tweeting don. You won’t.

[The Urban Sombrero]

“...special place in hell {if you disagree with Trump}”...

Divine right of kings? Horrid misuse of religion? “Lighten up, Francis.”

[TheRealThing]

Hey, Echo Chamber, you said it. At least have the integrity to own it. Wait, you are toadies of the tweeting don. You won’t.

“...special place in hell {if you disagree with Trump}”...

Divine right of kings? Horrid misuse of religion? “Lighten up, Francis.”

Still better than that horrid surge of spittle. I'd bet instead of ties for Father's Day, you get bibs. Have them give this a try... https://www.bedbathhome.com/AdultProtect...6c1c3d8dbc

You my friend are the Devine right of the 'clinical.' And I don't expect that a guy chocked full of little else than DNC talking points, could possibly understand what it means to think for one's self. But here goes anyway.

I am a conservative and a Christian. My views (the ones that count anyway) are based in the eternal. Thus when Jimmy Carter came along, I voted for a, as he said... "Borned again Christian" for President. I got had a little bit with that one BTW.

Then came George W. making the same claim and once again, I found myself to some degree, at odds with my President on Spiritual matters.

Obama, well let's just say though he liked to brag vociferously on his 'bus' driving skills, I just got this nagging hang-up about being lied to on a daily basis by my President. Call me old fashioned.

Now we have DJT. He has a checkered past and an immaculate record as President. He 'says' he respects the sovereignty of the Almighty. Now, where Church leaders are today concerned, let's just say that of those on my preferred short list, several have and do endorse Mr Trump, warts and all. But as I have said, you show me a guy who's recognized his failings and turned from them, and I'll show you a guy I can trust. The Apostle Paul for example, (who wrote much if not most of the New Testament) declares himself to be the chief among sinners. God chose him, a man who'd committed many acts (inference intended) of offense against the Church, to do a mighty work among men. And for the record, that work was important because getting the Truth out, which was Christ, and His valid claim was at that time and this, paramount.
John 14:6 (KJV)
v6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


At any rate, the views of President Trump match my own long held beliefs. If he veers into unacceptable political air space I will be every bit as critical of him as I have with the likes of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. The record on this forum is clear on that. I don't excuse his failings, nor do I have any right to judge him for same. But you go ahead.

[Bob Seger]

What you fail to understand...eh, never mind.

I fail to understand nothing...I've got you pegged to a "T".

[Bob Seger]

Why am I not surprised that you would echo a capped poster referring to Barack Obama as “boy”?

A black man? I thought our former president was 50% white?

As previously mentioned, I've got you pegged to a "T".

It aint working Don Lemon.

[Bob Seger]

Hey, Echo Chamber, you said it. At least have the integrity to own it. Wait, you are toadies of the tweeting don. You won’t.

Funny thing here..I had never heard that phrase before you started with your ramblings until while scanning channels the other day, I momentarily paused on CNN, which I never do, to listen to the drivel...

Just take a guess at what the word of the day was? Yep, none other than "Echo Chamber"..

Does any one else need a further explanation from whence the influence that Geraldo spews his stupidity is derived?

[The Urban Sombrero]

I fail to understand nothing...I've got you pegged to a "T".

Speaking of “T,” how is the Mad Hatter? Ahhahahaha

[The Urban Sombrero]

⬆️
See how they run. See how they run. They dance to the beat of the Trumper’s fife; they feel no pain for the Trumper’s wife. See how they run.

[Bob Seger]

[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="5"]A black man? I thought our former president was 50% white?

[/SIZE][/COLOR]As previously mentioned, I've got you pegged to a "T".

It aint working Don Lemon.

Uh, I'm sure that you just overlooked the question and would never by any means intentionally avoid answering the question.:popcorn: