11-25-2017, 04:47 PM
Hound05 Wrote:I think this might be one game the certainly can’t use the refs as an excuse. We probably had just as much penalty yardage as total yards haha. If it wasn’t for that 99.9 yard drive we had it’d probably be more. I’m not saying they were killing us, but dang they threw a lot.
No ref excuses. Game was played really clean, although Central made many more mistakes as far as comparing the last 2 games, procedure wise. I don't think Central had one false start against Belfry. However a lot of that was Corbin's D line held it's own, MUCH more than Belfry's did. Also Corbin's linebacker play was a ton better than Belfry's. #9 is still the best running back I've seen all year in his combo of speed and power, and just WILL. He still got yards after contract last night, but the main difference, he didn't break one single huge run for a TD. Corbin hit him hard enough to really slow him down, then the 2nd and 3rd cleanup/finish shots were getting him down. He's not a big back at all, so once his momentum did get stopped he could get rag dolled just a bit and slung back. He hardly ever went fully down, lol, just a tough kid. But Corbin did slow him down, big time. I'd say he still had over a hundred yards, maybe.
Coaching won the game, not just the 4th quarter time management. It wasn't consistently horrible, but Corbin, I'm sure knew, as all of us there figured out, the first 2 play calls were almost always going to #9. And then an obvious passing down. They might have mixed up their play calling 2 or 3 times. Corbin sent some really timely blitzes, outside and inside backers. I don't know what the QB's options are in their offense for his reads, but a blind man could see that OLB blitz from Corbin and the QB didn't read that at all, hand the ball to #9 to get a full on shot from the OLB, if he pulls and keeps it he's probably going for big yards. I'm not sure where Central's passing game was in the first half either... I am not a fan of bringing your QB all the way across the field to get a playcall from their coach, not these days. Sizemore made better decisions, made the right reads, and threw the ball very well. The only passes he didn't complete looked to be on the receivers. I think I said Central left at least 1 TD off the board in the first half, not getting in on the 1 yard line, and not hitting their great receiver on 2 slant opportunities in single coverage and no safety help. Although the goal line series you can credit Corbin's goal line defense, more so than blaming Central's play calling. Corbin may have left a touchdown off the board that first half too, as Sizemore hit a receiver in perfect stride, perfect placement on a seam route (I think), and the kid couldn't haul the pass in. Central's offensive line, at times, totally blew Corbin off the ball, as I though they would. #52 was a bad dude all night long. But Corbin was able to stalemate with their D line, and gap control well enough so the linebackers could make some plays.
In all this was a great game. Easily, to me, the best game I've seen in 3A this year. It wasn't a great game as far as back and forth really, but a great game from one team having a great half, the other having a great quarter. The momentum change was unbelievable. Central seems to always be able to muster up something in the 2nd half and play better. From the first half with their fans wanting the QB changed and fussing at kids for no heart, to the 2nd with the team surging a bit, and the fans fully back on board. The game ended up being great, as we debated going to it, or Etown and Boyle (also a great game). Couldn't have went wrong last night, just as a non biased football fan, as to which 3A game you went to.
Final thought for Central, they need coach Scroggins back. Just my opinion I guess.
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11-25-2017, 05:00 PM
smoke1015 Wrote:No ref excuses. Game was played really clean, although Central made many more mistakes as far as comparing the last 2 games, procedure wise. I don't think Central had one false start against Belfry. However a lot of that was Corbin's D line held it's own, MUCH more than Belfry's did. Also Corbin's linebacker play was a ton better than Belfry's. #9 is still the best running back I've seen all year in his combo of speed and power, and just WILL. He still got yards after contract last night, but the main difference, he didn't break one single huge run for a TD. Corbin hit him hard enough to really slow him down, then the 2nd and 3rd cleanup/finish shots were getting him down. He's not a big back at all, so once his momentum did get stopped he could get rag dolled just a bit and slung back. He hardly ever went fully down, lol, just a tough kid. But Corbin did slow him down, big time. I'd say he still had over a hundred yards, maybe.Corbin was flying to the ball and forcing miscues just like I said they would and they definitely had the better staff, but some of you pump Scroggins up too much. look at the talent that he has had .
Coaching won the game, not just the 4th quarter time management. It wasn't consistently horrible, but Corbin, I'm sure knew, as all of us there figured out, the first 2 play calls were almost always going to #9. And then an obvious passing down. They might have mixed up their play calling 2 or 3 times. Corbin sent some really timely blitzes, outside and inside backers. I don't know what the QB's options are in their offense for his reads, but a blind man could see that OLB blitz from Corbin and the QB didn't read that at all, hand the ball to #9 to get a full on shot from the OLB, if he pulls and keeps it he's probably going for big yards. I'm not sure where Central's passing game was in the first half either... I am not a fan of bringing your QB all the way across the field to get a playcall from their coach, not these days. Sizemore made better decisions, made the right reads, and threw the ball very well. The only passes he didn't complete looked to be on the receivers. I think I said Central left at least 1 TD off the board in the first half, not getting in on the 1 yard line, and not hitting their great receiver on 2 slant opportunities in single coverage and no safety help. Although the goal line series you can credit Corbin's goal line defense, more so than blaming Central's play calling. Corbin may have left a touchdown off the board that first half too, as Sizemore hit a receiver in perfect stride, perfect placement on a seam route (I think), and the kid couldn't haul the pass in. Central's offensive line, at times, totally blew Corbin off the ball, as I though they would. #52 was a bad dude all night long. But Corbin was able to stalemate with their D line, and gap control well enough so the linebackers could make some plays.
In all this was a great game. Easily, to me, the best game I've seen in 3A this year. It wasn't a great game as far as back and forth really, but a great game from one team having a great half, the other having a great quarter. The momentum change was unbelievable. Central seems to always be able to muster up something in the 2nd half and play better. From the first half with their fans wanting the QB changed and fussing at kids for no heart, to the 2nd with the team surging a bit, and the fans fully back on board. The game ended up being great, as we debated going to it, or Etown and Boyle (also a great game). Couldn't have went wrong last night, just as a non biased football fan, as to which 3A game you went to.
Final thought for Central, they need coach Scroggins back. Just my opinion I guess.
11-25-2017, 05:12 PM
Hound05 Wrote:Do you think he knew and just chose not to set something up. Kinda keep us on our heels? Or did the game pressure get to him?
I got to listen to the game last night from my cell. Awesome game and win for the Hounds. But the timeout situation at the end of the game puzzled me last night. Did they have a timeout or was the scoreboard showing one they didn't have? Man I hope it's the latter. Because if not that was some horrible clock management by Central. If I'm not mistaken they had about 1:30 left on the clock with a timeout at midfield. Is this correct? I'm posting this just wondering what happened. I don't think they score on that Corbin D either way that late,with that much on the line but I hate to think they ended the game last night in that situation with a timeout still in the pocket. Head scratcher.
11-25-2017, 05:44 PM
Talent or not, I've seen Scroggins make some unbelievable calls a few times, gutsy calls. Time management, that I remember, he never had a problem with.
If you were at the game last night, that last series (which the game should have been tied anyways if you kick your XPs)...Anyways that last series, I think Central has 1:07 on the clock, taking over around their own 40 after the punt. They run a play, about a 4 yard run by their back...Coach calls the QB all the way across the field for the play...tick tick tick, 40 second remain! 27 seconds have run off from 1st to 2nd down. Run another play, I'm thinking it was an incomplete pass, 3rd down. QB sees an opening and runs for about 12/13 yards, runs over a Corbin kid or two and gets out of bounds himself 20 seconds or so (?) remain. I think they threw a screen then, kid runs up the sideline for maybe 5 yards, gets stopped, IN BOUNDS...tick tick tick...Maybe 10 seconds clock ticking down and an incomplete pass but #14 was open and had beat his man yet again (you can't cover him 1 on 1). 7 second remaining and a completed pass but kid fought for yards and time runs out. I'm not sure the coach was aware to use the timeout even if the kid had got down with 1 second to spare...
My point, that was horrible, with Central's scoring ability when they really are clicking, they can score in under a minute. To have only 1:07 and not show some urgency was what killed me, as a coach. To me the time was more valuable than a down. Hell, Elway the ball on one of those if you have to have your QB come to the sideline for a play. Not using your timeout is inexcusable, but even a quick spike could have saved a full 30 seconds of game time. In my estimation, the last series, Central lost right around 30 seconds of game time. Corbin coach's wouldn't have done that.
One thing, of several I'll give Corbin's staff of doing, and I give it loosely cause I would have adjusted before Corbin (lol, yeah I'm Sabanesque...). They FINALLY brought a kid over to help on #14. You don't have a corner on that team, nor maybe in 3A that can single cover him. A couple times Corbin hinted at bumping the OLB out a bit and looked like he was gonna help with the receiver, he dropped back a bit with his read steps, #14 zooms behind him on the slant, and with the separation he was able to get, every time against that corner, and he high steps into the endzone...Corbin finally said enough of that and got some help. Again, that was partial Central's mistake as well. They started putting #14 in trips, instead of a wide single, and in trips it made it too congested for #14. But when he was by himself, he was unstoppable running that slant.
Corbin coaching was maybe better prepared for this game from the start. Central's defensive coaches did a great job of adjusting at the half. Something adjusted on Corbin's O line to where the QB was better protected, but mainly it was just the fact the coach's finally decided to go to the air, more on first and 2nd down, not always 2 runs and then pass. Corbin possibly played a little "safer" defense, bringing less blitz packages, etc..Either that or Central picked it up better. Central's O line is quite a bit bigger than I've seen them in the past. I'd love to have them.
My biggest surprise, Central's D line couldn't beat, consistently, Corbin's offensive line. From what I analyzed last week, Central's D line was as good as I'd seen this year. I don't know if #52 was injured, or what, but he wasn't used on the D line last night. Kid is at least 275, with arms like fence posts. SOmething had to be going on for him to not play D...unless they just thought he'd tire out against Corbin's depth. He certainly played well on offense, pancaking kids all night.
If you were at the game last night, that last series (which the game should have been tied anyways if you kick your XPs)...Anyways that last series, I think Central has 1:07 on the clock, taking over around their own 40 after the punt. They run a play, about a 4 yard run by their back...Coach calls the QB all the way across the field for the play...tick tick tick, 40 second remain! 27 seconds have run off from 1st to 2nd down. Run another play, I'm thinking it was an incomplete pass, 3rd down. QB sees an opening and runs for about 12/13 yards, runs over a Corbin kid or two and gets out of bounds himself 20 seconds or so (?) remain. I think they threw a screen then, kid runs up the sideline for maybe 5 yards, gets stopped, IN BOUNDS...tick tick tick...Maybe 10 seconds clock ticking down and an incomplete pass but #14 was open and had beat his man yet again (you can't cover him 1 on 1). 7 second remaining and a completed pass but kid fought for yards and time runs out. I'm not sure the coach was aware to use the timeout even if the kid had got down with 1 second to spare...
My point, that was horrible, with Central's scoring ability when they really are clicking, they can score in under a minute. To have only 1:07 and not show some urgency was what killed me, as a coach. To me the time was more valuable than a down. Hell, Elway the ball on one of those if you have to have your QB come to the sideline for a play. Not using your timeout is inexcusable, but even a quick spike could have saved a full 30 seconds of game time. In my estimation, the last series, Central lost right around 30 seconds of game time. Corbin coach's wouldn't have done that.
One thing, of several I'll give Corbin's staff of doing, and I give it loosely cause I would have adjusted before Corbin (lol, yeah I'm Sabanesque...). They FINALLY brought a kid over to help on #14. You don't have a corner on that team, nor maybe in 3A that can single cover him. A couple times Corbin hinted at bumping the OLB out a bit and looked like he was gonna help with the receiver, he dropped back a bit with his read steps, #14 zooms behind him on the slant, and with the separation he was able to get, every time against that corner, and he high steps into the endzone...Corbin finally said enough of that and got some help. Again, that was partial Central's mistake as well. They started putting #14 in trips, instead of a wide single, and in trips it made it too congested for #14. But when he was by himself, he was unstoppable running that slant.
Corbin coaching was maybe better prepared for this game from the start. Central's defensive coaches did a great job of adjusting at the half. Something adjusted on Corbin's O line to where the QB was better protected, but mainly it was just the fact the coach's finally decided to go to the air, more on first and 2nd down, not always 2 runs and then pass. Corbin possibly played a little "safer" defense, bringing less blitz packages, etc..Either that or Central picked it up better. Central's O line is quite a bit bigger than I've seen them in the past. I'd love to have them.
My biggest surprise, Central's D line couldn't beat, consistently, Corbin's offensive line. From what I analyzed last week, Central's D line was as good as I'd seen this year. I don't know if #52 was injured, or what, but he wasn't used on the D line last night. Kid is at least 275, with arms like fence posts. SOmething had to be going on for him to not play D...unless they just thought he'd tire out against Corbin's depth. He certainly played well on offense, pancaking kids all night.
11-25-2017, 05:47 PM
#55PirateFan Wrote:I got to listen to the game last night from my cell. Awesome game and win for the Hounds. But the timeout situation at the end of the game puzzled me last night. Did they have a timeout or was the scoreboard showing one they didn't have? Man I hope it's the latter. Because if not that was some horrible clock management by Central. If I'm not mistaken they had about 1:30 left on the clock with a timeout at midfield. Is this correct? I'm posting this just wondering what happened. I don't think they score on that Corbin D either way that late,with that much on the line but I hate to think they ended the game last night in that situation with a timeout still in the pocket. Head scratcher.
Absolutely they had 1. The scoreboard showed they had 3 but it was incorrect. I heard some of their fans saying we got 3 timeouts, but myself and then the former player/fans behind me said/knew they had 1 remaining. Calling that QB over, with barely over a minute on the clock...running halfway across the field...man...no. It's time to hurry up. I know you want a quality play, but you've got to be prepared. If nothing else, spike it! But 100%, use your timeout!
11-25-2017, 07:12 PM
pjdoug Wrote:Corbin was flying to the ball and forcing miscues just like I said they would and they definitely had the better staff, but some of you pump Scroggins up too much. look at the talent that he has had .
Iâm with you. Not slamming scroggins. But man Iâd love to have some of those kids they had. He just got out coached. Itâs not on the kids. They made the plays. Their offense was getting 7 yds a play and you canât get into the end zone in 4 plays inside the 10? Thatâs coaching. It might just be his first year there kinda thing, buts heâs had a whole season to figure them out
11-25-2017, 07:20 PM
smoke1015 Wrote:Talent or not, I've seen Scroggins make some unbelievable calls a few times, gutsy calls. Time management, that I remember, he never had a problem with.I know on certain coverages, they were taking the corner and playing him on the outside and deep and using a DB to help jam him up in the slant. When they done that, central wouldnât throw to him, but when we didnât, it was all night long for #14. We couldnât keep doing it every play though because it was making us vulnerable to the run and in the deep middle.
If you were at the game last night, that last series (which the game should have been tied anyways if you kick your XPs)...Anyways that last series, I think Central has 1:07 on the clock, taking over around their own 40 after the punt. They run a play, about a 4 yard run by their back...Coach calls the QB all the way across the field for the play...tick tick tick, 40 second remain! 27 seconds have run off from 1st to 2nd down. Run another play, I'm thinking it was an incomplete pass, 3rd down. QB sees an opening and runs for about 12/13 yards, runs over a Corbin kid or two and gets out of bounds himself 20 seconds or so (?) remain. I think they threw a screen then, kid runs up the sideline for maybe 5 yards, gets stopped, IN BOUNDS...tick tick tick...Maybe 10 seconds clock ticking down and an incomplete pass but #14 was open and had beat his man yet again (you can't cover him 1 on 1). 7 second remaining and a completed pass but kid fought for yards and time runs out. I'm not sure the coach was aware to use the timeout even if the kid had got down with 1 second to spare...
My point, that was horrible, with Central's scoring ability when they really are clicking, they can score in under a minute. To have only 1:07 and not show some urgency was what killed me, as a coach. To me the time was more valuable than a down. Hell, Elway the ball on one of those if you have to have your QB come to the sideline for a play. Not using your timeout is inexcusable, but even a quick spike could have saved a full 30 seconds of game time. In my estimation, the last series, Central lost right around 30 seconds of game time. Corbin coach's wouldn't have done that.
One thing, of several I'll give Corbin's staff of doing, and I give it loosely cause I would have adjusted before Corbin (lol, yeah I'm Sabanesque...). They FINALLY brought a kid over to help on #14. You don't have a corner on that team, nor maybe in 3A that can single cover him. A couple times Corbin hinted at bumping the OLB out a bit and looked like he was gonna help with the receiver, he dropped back a bit with his read steps, #14 zooms behind him on the slant, and with the separation he was able to get, every time against that corner, and he high steps into the endzone...Corbin finally said enough of that and got some help. Again, that was partial Central's mistake as well. They started putting #14 in trips, instead of a wide single, and in trips it made it too congested for #14. But when he was by himself, he was unstoppable running that slant.
Corbin coaching was maybe better prepared for this game from the start. Central's defensive coaches did a great job of adjusting at the half. Something adjusted on Corbin's O line to where the QB was better protected, but mainly it was just the fact the coach's finally decided to go to the air, more on first and 2nd down, not always 2 runs and then pass. Corbin possibly played a little "safer" defense, bringing less blitz packages, etc..Either that or Central picked it up better. Central's O line is quite a bit bigger than I've seen them in the past. I'd love to have them.
My biggest surprise, Central's D line couldn't beat, consistently, Corbin's offensive line. From what I analyzed last week, Central's D line was as good as I'd seen this year. I don't know if #52 was injured, or what, but he wasn't used on the D line last night. Kid is at least 275, with arms like fence posts. SOmething had to be going on for him to not play D...unless they just thought he'd tire out against Corbin's depth. He certainly played well on offense, pancaking kids all night.
11-25-2017, 07:39 PM
Only complaint about the officiating was the clock keeper. Central shouldâve had about 30 seconds less off the clock last night on that last drive. Left a lot of time on the clock from not running it.
11-25-2017, 08:46 PM
smoke1015 Wrote:Absolutely they had 1. The scoreboard showed they had 3 but it was incorrect. I heard some of their fans saying we got 3 timeouts, but myself and then the former player/fans behind me said/knew they had 1 remaining. Calling that QB over, with barely over a minute on the clock...running halfway across the field...man...no. It's time to hurry up. I know you want a quality play, but you've got to be prepared. If nothing else, spike it! But 100%, use your timeout!
Wow! That's unreal, and unacceptable.
11-25-2017, 09:22 PM
#55PirateFan Wrote:Wow! That's unreal, and unacceptable.
Right, the scoreboard operator was definantly not a go getter. The scoreboard showed 3 time outs both team all game, the game was more like 52 minutes versus 48. He was for sure slow to hit start at one point the official pointed up to box while he was signaling to start the clock.
11-25-2017, 09:44 PM
Hound05 Wrote:I know on certain coverages, they were taking the corner and playing him on the outside and deep and using a DB to help jam him up in the slant. When they done that, central wouldnât throw to him, but when we didnât, it was all night long for #14. We couldnât keep doing it every play though because it was making us vulnerable to the run and in the deep middle.
Yep, 100% what I saw. I think maybe the couple of times I seen the OLB flinch, like he was going to possibly help with coverage on the kid, may have just been to throw the QB off a split second. I will say this, you all beat a monster of a team, stopped a monster of a little running back who has no quit, and I feel the title is there for Corbin to take.
11-26-2017, 03:15 AM
chs crazy Wrote::Shaking: Here we go again
Lol
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11-30-2017, 02:51 AM
STIFFY Wrote:According to Maxpreps Corbin has 3 state titles not 5 going for 6 or whatever you keep talking about regarding 6
Richard Stiffy,
Have you not yet figured out that nobody cares about whatever you're babbling about? #huntforSIX!!!!
11-30-2017, 07:30 AM
This really eats at people from other areas when it really donât affect them. Whatâs funny is everyone wants to use the KHSAA website. Well corbins WiKi site says different, so which one is right? Also on the KHSAA website under the titles tab, it has a âmember sinceâ place, weâll if corbin was a member since 1920, then why isnât the OUTRIGHT titles weâve on listed on there? Because THEY donât list the CJ titles, it still was played and counted though?? I guarantee you Alabama, Florida, etc. count their titles before the college playoffs, this is NO different.
11-30-2017, 04:30 PM
AngryMob Wrote:Wikipedia isn't a reliable source we learned that in school
Since playoffs don't matter can we just claim championships anytime we went undefeated? 2007 and 2008 state champs!!
Look it really don't matter. Enjoy your 4th championship Friday night.
I know Wikipedia isnât a reliable site. Thatâs not the point. What makes the KHSAA a reliable source? Heck they had our game playing on Saturday. Not real reliable.
Iâve never said playoffs donât matter. I donât even know how you interpreted it that way. Iâm saying before the playoffs mattered, if they donât, then why is Alabama celebrating so many before be college playoffs?
I know it doesnt matter. Thatâs why I said I donât see why it eats at people so much. I wasnât alive to enjoy our 4th championship. But I have enjoyed it through replays so thanks.
One more hunt left for these Hounds. The HUNT 4 SIX!!
11-30-2017, 04:48 PM
Hound05 Wrote:I know Wikipedia isnât a reliable site. Thatâs not the point. What makes the KHSAA a reliable source? Heck they had our game playing on Saturday. Not real reliable.
Iâve never said playoffs donât matter. I donât even know how you interpreted it that way. Iâm saying before the playoffs mattered, if they donât, then why is Alabama celebrating so many before be college playoffs?
I know it doesnt matter. Thatâs why I said I donât see why it eats at people so much. I wasnât alive to enjoy our 4th championship. But I have enjoyed it through replays so thanks.
One more hunt left for these Hounds. The HUNT 4 SIX!!
It really doesn't matter to me how many titles Corbin claims. They have a long, long tradition of great football. They have won 3 titles and been awarded 2 by various groups that I'm certain shows how strong they have been in decades long ago.
I will share this only if you find it applicable or not.
Living near Tar Heel country and UNC, when I arrived here in 2000 I saw a bunch of shirts/caps from UNC that claimed 4 National Titles. I asked a guy wearing the had could he name them. So he named 1924 as a Helms Foundation National Title. It was awarded by the Helms people in retrospect but I'm certain it was deserved.
Of course I told him if he wanted to go that route UK could claim 9 (at that time) cause the Cats had two Helms Titles given for 1933 and 1954. He walked away.
I know UNC did what they did because of Duke's success and not wanting to take any back seat to them. Since their run under Roy most Tar Heel fans have dropped counting that 1924 title.
If Corbin wants to claim those 2 I see no reason why they shouldn't. I just think whether they claim 5 or 3; any person with a KY Football Knowledge knows the long standing tradition of Corbin football.
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