[The Urban Sombrero]

Prayers up for all Congressmen, staff, and security who were at the baseball field this morning.

[Bob Seger]

Reports say they should all be OK.

[Bob Seger]

Now that being said....When someone comes out on the field and asks if these are republicans or democrats and then returns with a firearm randomly shooting anyone moving, it appears to be an act of a democrat left winger....

[Bob Seger]

Reports say they should all be OK.

I need to edit this comment somewhat...

Reports say the congressman will be OK. The condition of the others at this time is unknown.

[Granny Bear]

Two are in critical condition.

And you are correct about him asking if those were republicans.

Heavy set white male in his late 50s or 60s.

[Bob Seger]

How much you wanna bet he's a Bernie Sanders supporter?

[Granny Bear]

^That was just reported. Not only a supporter but worked for him locally, during the election.
James T Hodkinson. He's expired.

[TheRealThing]

Larry Elder, lawyer, writer and media personality living and working in California of all places, says the following in response to today's atrocity. "The temptation is to say both sides are guilty of the vitriol and this is the result. My observation has been completely different. The anger and contempt coming from the left has reached near pathological proportions. This kind of thing does not come from the right." [the foregoing slightly paraphrased]

Beginning with the so-called 'beer summit,' the narrative coming from the DC and especially from Democrats, along with the special interest groups that represent their zoo stew voting base, has been caustic at sufficient levels as to spur people to commit theretofore unthinkable acts of politically based rhetoric and violence. This is not politics, it is anarchy. One of the main selling points for the election of DJT to the Oval Office was his promise of a return to law and order.

Quite recently we were an orderly society, thanks to the Dem's open and therefore easily documentable call for enhanced 'resistance' efforts, those days are now past. While champions of the resistance such as the originator of this thread feign compassion, the lucid minded of this land know better. You watch, 2018 will see the Dems get their heads handed to them again, and I for one can scarcely wait to get in the booth and pull that lever.

[The Urban Sombrero]

⬆️ Unless what appears to be the case turns out to be false, this guy had a history of mental illness. Your remarks above are about what one would expect.

"This kind of thing does not come from the right."

⬆ There it is, TRT. Perfect example of sanctimonious horse manure. McVeigh? I don't recall him as a left winger. In fact, he was of alt right spirit.

[Granny Bear]

He had enough sense to make sure he was shooting at Republicans.

[The Urban Sombrero]

He had enough sense to make sure he was shooting at Republicans.

If he indeed had a history of mental illness, his choice of target is not particularly relevant. When it comes to victims of senseless violence, prayers and concern are not limited to political lines.

These Congressmen were practicing for a charity baseball game between Dems and 'Pubs set to raise 600k for charity.

The Dems blame the NRA. The 'Pubs blame Black Lives Matter. There are those who see everything in either/or terms. So be it.

[The Urban Sombrero]

"Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.

It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being. I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend."

These are the words of Timothy McVeigh. Advocacy for and perpetration of violence is wrong. Period.

[The Urban Sombrero]

"This kind of thing does not come from the right."

See the postings of the shooter of Gabrielle Giffords (and 18 others I think) in the days and months leading up to the perpetration of violence.

[Granny Bear]

If he indeed had a history of mental illness, his choice of target is not particularly relevant. When it comes to victims of senseless violence, prayers and concern are not limited to political lines.

These Congressmen were practicing for a charity baseball game between Dems and 'Pubs set to raise 600k for charity.

The Dems blame the NRA. The 'Pubs blame Black Lives Matter. There are those who see everything in either/or terms. So be it.

Where did you see the "Pubs" were blaming Black Lives Matter?

This was a hate crime, until it's proven that it isn't. His facebook page is a testament of it.

[TheRealThing]

"Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.

It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being. I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend."

These are the words of Timothy McVeigh. Advocacy for and perpetration of violence is wrong. Period.

You supported Bernie Sanders did you not? But don't try to lay this off on mental illness, it's anarchy. And you by your continual eveready bunny defenses of all things liberal, are a supporter thereof.

[The Urban Sombrero]

You supported Bernie Sanders did you not? But don't try to lay this off on mental illness, it's anarchy. And you by your continual eveready bunny defenses of all things liberal, are a supporter thereof.

The connections and insinuations you are making here simply serve to illustrate in high relief the nauseating degree of your Patti Partisanship.

[Granny Bear]

I did a quick search on linking Black Lives Matter and Hodgkinson's mental illness. Can't find anything that confirms either.

The only link to mental illness that is even mentioned is his dogmatic loyalty to support "Terminate the Republican Party". One reporter's opinion that the far left has gone so far as to be insane.

All of this is on Hodgkinson's facebook page. He was a real hater.


Sombrero, YOU just posted two things as facts that so far has not been proven. Did you not?

[The Urban Sombrero]

I did a quick search on linking Black Lives Matter and Hodgkinson's mental illness. Can't find anything that confirms either.

The only link to mental illness that is even mentioned is his dogmatic loyalty to support "Terminate the Republican Party". One reporter's opinion that the far left has gone so far as to be insane.

All of this is on Hodgkinson's facebook page. He was a real hater.

The shooter today, the shooter of Gabrielle Giffords are not representative. They are outliers. Anyone who advocates for and/or perpetrates violence is wrong, regardless of their personal political views. If he thought he was justified in shooting Republicans, he and anyone else who thinks that is a form of nuts.

[The Urban Sombrero]

I did a quick search on linking Black Lives Matter and Hodgkinson's mental illness. Can't find anything that confirms either.

The only link to mental illness that is even mentioned is his dogmatic loyalty to support "Terminate the Republican Party". One reporter's opinion that the far left has gone so far as to be insane.

All of this is on Hodgkinson's facebook page. He was a real hater.


Sombrero, YOU just posted two things as facts that so far has not been proven. Did you not?

I think, GB, I said "my guess is." I do not think I posted as fact. I was going off the impression being given in early reporting. "Unless what appears to be the case turns out to be false" were the introductory words. This was based on earliest reports about the shooter, not stated as fact.

[plantmanky]

You are never going to be able to prevent these type of acts. However what was prevented today was a quick response and resolution to the situation because it was a gun free zone. The only armed people there were the shooter, and the two Capitol Hill Officers (who were only there because the WHIP was there.)

I hope our leaders look at this and realize (now that it has hit close to home) what a horrible idea gun free zones are.

[plantmanky]

The shooter today, the shooter of Gabrielle Giffords are not representative. They are outliers. Anyone who advocates for and/or perpetrates violence is wrong, regardless of their personal political views. If he thought he was justified in shooting Republicans, he and anyone else who thinks that is a form of nuts.

And yet, they are plastered all over media and given front page news time.

[The Urban Sombrero]

And yet, they are plastered all over media and given front page news time.

Personally, I have not seen those who advocate for and/or perpetrate violence commended or celebrated in the mainstream media. "If it bleeds, it leads" is certainly the case.

[TheRealThing]

The connections and insinuations you are making here simply serve to illustrate in high relief the nauseating degree of your Patti Partisanship.

That's your dodge, but for the rest of us there remain those numerous and pesky posts you're so proud of in support of leftist extremism.

[TheRealThing]

Personally, I have not seen those who advocate for and/or perpetrate violence commended or celebrated in the mainstream media. "If it bleeds, it leads" is certainly the case.

Get real.

“Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon,”

Black Live Matter, for whom you have advocated fervently, chanted this all over the US, and your buddies over there at the NYT, the Washington Post and MSNBC said what?

[The Urban Sombrero]

That's your dodge, but for the rest of us there remain those numerous and pesky posts you're so proud of in support of leftist extremism.

I support equal protection under the law extended to same sex couples. How is that advocacy of violence? I support the right of peaceful protest. How is that advocacy of violence? Violence in pursuit of political and/or religious beliefs is wrong, is criminal. Using peaceful protest as a pretext for looting, rioting is wrong, is criminal. Period.

[TheRealThing]

I support equal protection under the law extended to same sex couples. How is that advocacy of violence? I support the right of peaceful protest. How is that advocacy of violence? Violence in pursuit of political and/or religious beliefs is wrong, is criminal. Using peaceful protest as a pretext for looting, rioting is wrong, is criminal. Period.

Well now there's your problem. You can't support anarchists without supporting anarchy anymore than you can support laws that legalize abortion and gay rights without supporting the sin they foster.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Get real.

“Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon,”

Black Live Matter, for whom you have advocated fervently, chanted this all over the US, and your buddies over there at the NYT, the Washington Post and MSNBC said what?

I support the right of peaceful protest. Advocating violence against police, or anyone else is wrong. Period. Martin Luther King Jr. constantly struggled against parts of the movement that tended toward violence. Were he alive today, he would certainly be concerned in the manner of the concerns of Black Lives Matter. He would refute and struggle against those who advocated violence.

[TheRealThing]

I support the right of peaceful protest. Advocating violence against police, or anyone else is wrong. Period. Martin Luther King Jr. constantly struggled against parts of the movement that tended toward violence. Were he alive today, he would certainly be concerned in the manner of the concerns of Black Lives Matter. He would refute and struggle against those who advocated violence.

You support anarchy and you're hiding behind a liberal indoctrination for which you will answer.

[The Urban Sombrero]

You support anarchy and you're hiding behind a liberal indoctrination for which you will answer.

And, there it is.

So you say: so you need to believe. And do believe, I guess: zeal without understanding.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Well now there's your problem. You can't support anarchists without supporting anarchy anymore than you can support laws that legalize abortion and gay rights without supporting the sin they foster.

Supporting equal protection under the law extended to all citizens is not sin. Supporting the right to peaceful protest is not sin. Is loving the sinner co-equal to loving the sin? That's a form of zeal God will not own, a form of either/or thinking that has the appearance of "for God" but actually contradicts the Spirit.

The United States was not designed to be governed as a Christian Church. It was designed to allow a Christian Church to govern itself, within its own beliefs, free of interference from government.