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04-07-2017, 10:21 PM
Brass monkey, I agree you don't see any AAU Bball being televised on ESPN, but those teams you do see are like you said loaded up with AAU teammates.. I attended a lot of basketball games this past season, boys and girls, in several different regions and I saw one college coach at a boys game. So if you are a player that wants to get looks it kind of backs you in a corner. You can contact schools and send videos but if it isn't against good competition then that could end up hurting more than helping.. A lot of tough decisions for parents and players..
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04-07-2017, 11:46 PM
I agree with you passtheball it's a tough decision for the kids and parents,really in my opinion these kids need someone in their corner pulling for them to have a shot. Sadly this is like everything in life,very political. Just my opinion
04-08-2017, 02:53 AM
AAU is for the money no doubt but there's a lot on the line and getting a kid looked at can make the difference in a good offer and no offer at all. I think the talent is usually very very close in some D1 players and other players that never get a shot. If AAU can tilt the scales in a kids favor then maybe it's worth the time and expense.
04-08-2017, 10:23 PM
passtheball, unsure if you have followed this whole thread, but once again the college basketball season is going on while the high school season is going on,therefore there will always be more college coaches at AAU events, always, because college teams are not playing at that time
Like I said the best players in the country will have college coaches at AAU and High School Events. Here is a kid that plays mainly with kids from a Northern Kentucky AAU team, but plays in an Indiana community across from Louisville that is a top recruit nationally. As you can see coaches are coming to his high school events.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/r.../95384824/
I will also say this, the Major Division 1 prospects are seen prior to the time they enter 11th grade maybe even 10th. AAU competition may help players that might not be seen, but I can guarantee that a quality player can send some game film and highlights to a college coach and they could get a shot at a school. Im not saying elite schools, but at some college (there are probably about 1000 college basketball programs at some leve)l.
I will say that I have a pretty good relationship with some smaller colllege coaches (NCAA D2, D3, Juco, NAIA) and have sent recommendation for players to these coaches and all the film they ever got was from high school games and were all given good offers. They may not be your household D1 programs, but they were offers that paid for bulk of their college, (Say 80 percent) On the boys side it may be different, but on the girls side lets just say AAU got the kid a scholarship to UCONN and then became the Number 1 draft pick in the WNBA, that means even with all that "Exposure" even the best player in the world is going to get about a 60,000 professional contract. On the mens side there is a lot more money and financial opportunity to gain, whether in NBA , NBDL, or overseas.
What I am saying in a nutshell, is AAU is more about making money for AAU than helping kids gain scholarships. If they happen to get one so be it. I like the AAU competition, but I am unsure its really needed at the level it is today. They could play every weekend, if they wanted.
Call me a traditionalist, but I just hate the fact some AAU programs are diluting and watering down the high school game for selfish reasons, and basically have an all recruited AAU team beating actual high school teams to a pulp and puffing their chest out like they did something special. If you want to recruit go become a college coach then go do it, keep high school sports high school sports, keep AAU sports AAU Sports.
Like I said the best players in the country will have college coaches at AAU and High School Events. Here is a kid that plays mainly with kids from a Northern Kentucky AAU team, but plays in an Indiana community across from Louisville that is a top recruit nationally. As you can see coaches are coming to his high school events.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/r.../95384824/
I will also say this, the Major Division 1 prospects are seen prior to the time they enter 11th grade maybe even 10th. AAU competition may help players that might not be seen, but I can guarantee that a quality player can send some game film and highlights to a college coach and they could get a shot at a school. Im not saying elite schools, but at some college (there are probably about 1000 college basketball programs at some leve)l.
I will say that I have a pretty good relationship with some smaller colllege coaches (NCAA D2, D3, Juco, NAIA) and have sent recommendation for players to these coaches and all the film they ever got was from high school games and were all given good offers. They may not be your household D1 programs, but they were offers that paid for bulk of their college, (Say 80 percent) On the boys side it may be different, but on the girls side lets just say AAU got the kid a scholarship to UCONN and then became the Number 1 draft pick in the WNBA, that means even with all that "Exposure" even the best player in the world is going to get about a 60,000 professional contract. On the mens side there is a lot more money and financial opportunity to gain, whether in NBA , NBDL, or overseas.
What I am saying in a nutshell, is AAU is more about making money for AAU than helping kids gain scholarships. If they happen to get one so be it. I like the AAU competition, but I am unsure its really needed at the level it is today. They could play every weekend, if they wanted.
Call me a traditionalist, but I just hate the fact some AAU programs are diluting and watering down the high school game for selfish reasons, and basically have an all recruited AAU team beating actual high school teams to a pulp and puffing their chest out like they did something special. If you want to recruit go become a college coach then go do it, keep high school sports high school sports, keep AAU sports AAU Sports.
04-08-2017, 11:39 PM
Good post brass monkey, I like getting different perspectives. I agree, the top notch elite players are going to get looks no matter where they are playing. So do you think a player good enough to play college bball but not at the D 1 level would be better served playing AAU to get looks or contact programs they are interested in and submit videos? I agree the AAU season should be limited..
04-09-2017, 12:24 AM
passtheball, I personally believe that no more than 4-6 AAU events are needed the whole entire calendar year (January- Decemeber) for any one AAU team, once they reach the high school age. By then they have played enough games in their career. The NCAA actually has periods throughout the year when they can talk to kids and recruit kids, etc.
Here is link
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...170209.pdf
I would even say they need one AAU warm-up tourney, and the rest of games they need to try and get the best competition they can (in front as many coaches as they can, usually NCAA sanctioned Exposure Events). If they cant prove themselves to a college coach in that many events, its time to start working on skill refinement.
Skills and players are developed in empty gyms. I think it would be more advantageous to a player that is not a visual freak (pass the eye test that they are better than anyone on floor) or genetic standout (Taller, Faster, and Stronger than anyone) to work on becoming a better all around player. The more skills a player possesses the more attractive they become to a college. I don't know if any of you have ever seen this, but some great high school scorers will not be recruited or struggle at the college level, because they never passed the ball in high school. Their only stat was scoring, no assists, 2 rebounds, 1 point, and hit and miss on defense. Scoring may have been these kids only weapons. So they go to college and other kids are bigger, faster, stronger, and they can no longer score, so their coach now has a liability on their hands.
I have always believed the more skills a player has, the harder it is too take them out of game. Kids play too many games and do not work enough on their skills. So my suggestion is spend 2-4 days a week in off-season working on skills then play free pickup ball (at a park or get a group of players together) and try to work on those skills during that setting, dont try these things at this "Exposure" events, or you are going to get "Exposed"
Did anyone growing playing at a park or open gym and had to sit out if your team lost. That will help a person improve real quick if they want to play. It is a little hard for girls to get alot of players together in offseason, but it can be done.
I would say that video is good evidence, but college coaches will want to see whole game film and not just see highlights. You have to be realistic about the level they can play too and if my daughter averaged 5 points a game at the varsity level, Im not sending videotape to Tennessee. I would tell a kid that loves the game that is not getting any D1 looks to think about what they may want to major in college and make my aim towards that so at least they can get an education in their preferred field.
I would talk to them about what part of country they want to live in (close to home, warm weather, etc). I would tell them the difference between costs of private and public schools and community colleges (JUCO). If the family has little income coming in they will probably get grants that will pay for most of school even without a scholarship, if they go the JUCO or public school route. I would tell them you play because you love the game and most smaller colleges have empty gyms. Its not glamorous, its long bus rides at most places and only the big time D1 programs get the glamourous luxuries. I would paint the picture, its about the love of the game.
Colleges basketball coaches want to see how the kid played on every facet of the game, they will look at the kids demeanor, body language, offense, and defense. Most small college programs, not D1, dont even turn a profit with their teams, so they also want good kids and bad kids will get booted off teams quick and many programs don't even want to take a chance on them. Some smaller colleges will not fire their coaches either with bad records, but they still have to field a team, so they go after good kids that can play basketball.
Sorry this is probably more than anyone ever wanted to know.
Here is link
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...170209.pdf
I would even say they need one AAU warm-up tourney, and the rest of games they need to try and get the best competition they can (in front as many coaches as they can, usually NCAA sanctioned Exposure Events). If they cant prove themselves to a college coach in that many events, its time to start working on skill refinement.
Skills and players are developed in empty gyms. I think it would be more advantageous to a player that is not a visual freak (pass the eye test that they are better than anyone on floor) or genetic standout (Taller, Faster, and Stronger than anyone) to work on becoming a better all around player. The more skills a player possesses the more attractive they become to a college. I don't know if any of you have ever seen this, but some great high school scorers will not be recruited or struggle at the college level, because they never passed the ball in high school. Their only stat was scoring, no assists, 2 rebounds, 1 point, and hit and miss on defense. Scoring may have been these kids only weapons. So they go to college and other kids are bigger, faster, stronger, and they can no longer score, so their coach now has a liability on their hands.
I have always believed the more skills a player has, the harder it is too take them out of game. Kids play too many games and do not work enough on their skills. So my suggestion is spend 2-4 days a week in off-season working on skills then play free pickup ball (at a park or get a group of players together) and try to work on those skills during that setting, dont try these things at this "Exposure" events, or you are going to get "Exposed"
Did anyone growing playing at a park or open gym and had to sit out if your team lost. That will help a person improve real quick if they want to play. It is a little hard for girls to get alot of players together in offseason, but it can be done.
I would say that video is good evidence, but college coaches will want to see whole game film and not just see highlights. You have to be realistic about the level they can play too and if my daughter averaged 5 points a game at the varsity level, Im not sending videotape to Tennessee. I would tell a kid that loves the game that is not getting any D1 looks to think about what they may want to major in college and make my aim towards that so at least they can get an education in their preferred field.
I would talk to them about what part of country they want to live in (close to home, warm weather, etc). I would tell them the difference between costs of private and public schools and community colleges (JUCO). If the family has little income coming in they will probably get grants that will pay for most of school even without a scholarship, if they go the JUCO or public school route. I would tell them you play because you love the game and most smaller colleges have empty gyms. Its not glamorous, its long bus rides at most places and only the big time D1 programs get the glamourous luxuries. I would paint the picture, its about the love of the game.
Colleges basketball coaches want to see how the kid played on every facet of the game, they will look at the kids demeanor, body language, offense, and defense. Most small college programs, not D1, dont even turn a profit with their teams, so they also want good kids and bad kids will get booted off teams quick and many programs don't even want to take a chance on them. Some smaller colleges will not fire their coaches either with bad records, but they still have to field a team, so they go after good kids that can play basketball.
Sorry this is probably more than anyone ever wanted to know.
04-14-2017, 06:14 AM
Big Hammer Wrote:AAU is for the money no doubt but there's a lot on the line and getting a kid looked at can make the difference in a good offer and no offer at all. I think the talent is usually very very close in some D1 players and other players that never get a shot. If AAU can tilt the scales in a kids favor then maybe it's worth the time and expense.
Very true hammer it's all about money and playing aau from 6th grade to juniors in high school are not being looked at like they are told. Colleges coaches go watch seniors for the most part so parents spend a fortune for several years and watch bad basketball which creates bad habits for their child. Good players will get seen playing high school ball.
04-14-2017, 12:05 PM
BallerFromTheHoller Wrote:Very true hammer it's all about money and playing aau from 6th grade to juniors in high school are not being looked at like they are told. Colleges coaches go watch seniors for the most part so parents spend a fortune for several years and watch bad basketball which creates bad habits for their child. Good players will get seen playing high school ball.
This is not true per say. If you research this there are many many 2018 kids already committed as well as 2019 kids. None of this came through high school, all travel basketball. I know on the boys side and I would think the girls side resembles it, 90% of all big time players at the D1 level are on one of the major shoe circuit travel teams.
04-14-2017, 01:11 PM
The 2018 class in Kentucky in girls basketball is loaded! Probably has 20+ D1 kids, several have already committed. The run for Miss Basketball will be very interesting for sure! One would have to think Robbins would be the front runner but there are there are several that will contend for that honor.
04-14-2017, 02:36 PM
Most big time D1 commits have been seen way before their senior year of high school and most likely on the AAU or travel circuit. However, that does not mean they get Offers!!!!!!! Most do not get offers and The best players will get them early, but the rest of players are going to have to sell themselves to colleges.
The second a kid gets an offer all of the AAU coaches try to claim on their respective websites that they made the kid and got them a full scholarship. Heck there is a girl right now that played for Team Shively, Kentucky Premier, and Louisville Legends and Butler High School. And each one claims that they got her the scholarship. The problem comes to an old quote, "We can all be successful, if we do not care who gets the credit"
I just feel there is this jealousy on both sides of the fence--- The AAU coach wants the prestige and media coverage that the high school teams get, and the High School coaches wants to be able to assemble the best players they can get for their high school team like the AAU coaches are able to do, and also feel like they get more respect than what AAU coaches want to give them.
My main problem is when AAU coaches jump to high schools with their recruited AAU team and destroy "true high school" teams, (Players that were going to be at that school anyways and not be enticed to come there). Talking about getting your cake and eating it too.
The second a kid gets an offer all of the AAU coaches try to claim on their respective websites that they made the kid and got them a full scholarship. Heck there is a girl right now that played for Team Shively, Kentucky Premier, and Louisville Legends and Butler High School. And each one claims that they got her the scholarship. The problem comes to an old quote, "We can all be successful, if we do not care who gets the credit"
I just feel there is this jealousy on both sides of the fence--- The AAU coach wants the prestige and media coverage that the high school teams get, and the High School coaches wants to be able to assemble the best players they can get for their high school team like the AAU coaches are able to do, and also feel like they get more respect than what AAU coaches want to give them.
My main problem is when AAU coaches jump to high schools with their recruited AAU team and destroy "true high school" teams, (Players that were going to be at that school anyways and not be enticed to come there). Talking about getting your cake and eating it too.
04-14-2017, 03:15 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-14-2017, 03:28 PM by Big Hammer.)
I guess I don't know as much about recruiting as some on here. I think many D1 players will get interest early and some will get offers but the majority get the concrete offers in their senior year. Offers trickle down if 20 colleges are interested in a player and she commits to one of them the other 19 set their sights on another player and on and on till they fill their rosters. Just because a player don't commit in her sophomore or junior year doesn't mean she is not a D1 player. Another tool used that I've not heard mentioned are the elite camps. A school might invite 20 players to this camp and give them a serious look and these invites come usually in their junior or senior year. I'm guessing probably 90% of D1 players get their offers in one of these processes. The other 10% are the elite of the elite and get the earliest offers
04-14-2017, 04:16 PM
I agree that could be a good avenue for a kid trying to get noticed. Those elite camps are open for any high school player to attend so that may be a great option for an athlete not competing in AAU ball during the summer. Also, I think the major benefit of the camp option is the ability to visit the campus, meet the coaching staff, and compare the facilities. Usually those camps are worked by current players so the athlete can get an idea of what the school is looking for.
04-14-2017, 05:56 PM
Kids are already ranked up to the Class of 2020. Check Link (some Ky girls on there)http://www.espn.com/high-school/girls-ba...class/2017
04-16-2017, 02:31 AM
Maroons Wrote:This is not true per say. If you research this there are many many 2018 kids already committed as well as 2019 kids. None of this came through high school, all travel basketball. I know on the boys side and I would think the girls side resembles it, 90% of all big time players at the D1 level are on one of the major shoe circuit travel teams.
I said for the Most Part just read the post
04-16-2017, 07:16 AM
Maroons Wrote:I am going to investigate these offers......
Please do idiot
04-23-2017, 04:10 AM
Maroon 5 What do you think about this AAU program from Kentucky heading out to Arizona for an exposure event? Check out the U16 and U17 age groups
http://basketball.exposureevents.com/723...enix/teams
http://basketball.exposureevents.com/723...enix/teams
04-23-2017, 01:21 PM
brassmonkeys Wrote:Maroon 5 What do you think about this AAU program from Kentucky heading out to Arizona for an exposure event? Check out the U16 and U17 age groups
http://basketball.exposureevents.com/723...enix/teams
From the looks of the scores they need some new players. On the girls side, only one big AAU program in Kentucky. Its not the Louisville Legends.
05-06-2017, 06:04 PM
Meggett for all of them? Even if they leave school and go out of town and get smashed by 30 points a game, so they can get some "Exposure"?
05-06-2017, 08:05 PM
Exposure basketball is not for everyone. Only the best kids. Alot of parents choose to not play for alot of reasons.
1.Money- Yes it costs, the tournaments are expensive. Travel is expensive. Fees are expensive to cover the very very high entry fees which is college coach driven as they want everything in the convention centers which has driven the prices up for the event operators, then the teams that are entering, which in turn to the parents of the kids.
2. Parents sometime choose to hold their kid out of big time exposure basketball. Its easy to hide them and sometimes it works and they get offers that they would not have if they were on a team with alot of big time kids. Its a roll of the dice that usually ends up in a transfer if the kid has not been exposed to high level competition and is a internet sensation rather than a player who has went out and proven they can play a the highest level or what ever level they are not hiding in high school.
Every kid has their own path they take to try to get to their dreams. From my experience it usually works out, unless of course you are the Levar Ball parent of your child then you tend to be looked at like a idiot and hurt your kid by doing alot of talking instead of the kid backing it up vs the best in America.
1.Money- Yes it costs, the tournaments are expensive. Travel is expensive. Fees are expensive to cover the very very high entry fees which is college coach driven as they want everything in the convention centers which has driven the prices up for the event operators, then the teams that are entering, which in turn to the parents of the kids.
2. Parents sometime choose to hold their kid out of big time exposure basketball. Its easy to hide them and sometimes it works and they get offers that they would not have if they were on a team with alot of big time kids. Its a roll of the dice that usually ends up in a transfer if the kid has not been exposed to high level competition and is a internet sensation rather than a player who has went out and proven they can play a the highest level or what ever level they are not hiding in high school.
Every kid has their own path they take to try to get to their dreams. From my experience it usually works out, unless of course you are the Levar Ball parent of your child then you tend to be looked at like a idiot and hurt your kid by doing alot of talking instead of the kid backing it up vs the best in America.
05-08-2017, 04:35 AM
No offense to anyone on here....but if you think college coaches only watch seniors to be then you clearly haven't been to any major recruiting events....if these coaches are not on these D1 kids well before their senior year they will have no shot at getting them.
05-08-2017, 02:39 PM
magicfan, The majority of people on here do not believe that college coaches only watch seniors to be.
08-15-2017, 07:18 PM
RingKing Wrote:Lol... who decided they were D1? Players who get emails from D1 schools??... must have signed up for their newsletter
During the season 5 of top 6 girls were committed
To D1 programs.1 UofL, 1 NKU, and 3 SEMO.
All returning seniors this year. If you went to the girls sweet 16
Tournament you might have seen them. They were the
Ones holding the big trophy at the end.
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