[killerb]

At Knott Central the clock (all 4 sides), the clock above backboards, and the backboard lights (red) are all wired thru same circuit. When the clock hits :00 the horn sounds and the backboard lights come on at same time. The only time the lights come are at :00 on scoreboards.

[zaga_fan]

I've looked at the raw video several times.

There are four frames of video where the light is on before the buzzer sounds.

The video I was looking at was 30 frames per second.

That means there is a 0.13 seconds difference in the light and the horn in this instance.

99.99999% of the time, that isn't going to be a difference, but this time it's the difference. The ball is in his hand when the light comes on, out of his hand when the buzzer sounds. So IMO this is the right call.

I will add that shortly after the game, I thought it was a bad call. Granny can tell you that. After looking at the video and breaking it down - it was the right call. I don't envy any official in this position.

[zaga_fan]

Let me add the clock trumps all.
I've not seen a good shot of the clock and the shot at the same time.

[Granny Bear]

Neither have I and I've looked!!

Coming from the officials' point of view, I would think the horn would be the indicator. It would be impossible to watch the clock, shot and lights all at the same time.

Odd that .13 seconds could make such a difference!

[Predator/Prey]

You guys are killing me. What about the video and and the sound of light.......ect....LOL. The shot was good because the official said it was. It was late because I saw the video and it doesn't lie. If it were college would they take .13 into account on the replay? NOOOOOOO! It was late out of his hands and good on the scoreboard. Stop with the 0.9999999 sec difference crap. I calibrated those to go off at the same time myself~!!!!LOL

[Granny Bear]

Then you missed the mark. You can watch the video and the sound of horn and lights on the backboard are not synchronized.

[Predator/Prey]

You are correct, that is not how they are wired. They are all on the same circuit and wired together. That is how they all are made. Video is bad. All three are together.

[hitter]

I was at the game and was sitting with 5 officials and 4 coaches in my area and in real time everybody said the basket was no good. the bigger thing to me is when the ref told cordia coach that they were going to add 1 second and wouldn't give any reason. he has to actually see that clock at a certain time or he cannot add time. the play when cordia hit the layup, he shot the ball at 1.6 seconds and as the ball was rolling around the rim I looked straight at the clock and it was at .6 and the ball still had to go through the net before anybody can call a time out. so at most there should have been only .2 on the clock. the game shouldn't have came down to that shot, the same ref that counted the last shot gave carmichal 4 free throws on phantom fouls, on one the cordia defender was backing away from him and Harlan player ran him down.and the officials know that you cant catch a ball going away from your basket, pivot, take a dribble and then a step and shoot in 1.1 seconds. the refs should have waved it off even without the horn because anything can happen to the horn

[Granny Bear]

I agree, the video is misleading. But the audio is crystal clear.

[Predator/Prey]

All 3 together, wired together, when one goes of, so do the others. Impossible to do something different. Shot good, ONLY because the ref said it was and high school doesn't have replay.

[Granny Bear]

Did you even read zaga's post? Even in real time, the horn is clearly after the lights.

[Predator/Prey]

Yes I read it and made fun of it. They are WIRED TOGETHER. SAME CIRCUIT, he is watching a video from who knows what.

[zaga_fan]

LoL
I can promise you my videos are not the problem.

[zaga_fan]

I'll break it down for you guys tonight - after I get done with these games.

[Granny Bear]

You must not know what zaga does for a living!

nicker:

[hollcat]

If the official is watching the clock, he is probably not watching the ball come out of the shooter's hand so the clock turning to 0:00 is the least desirable option.

Sound travels at about 1080 feet per second. So if the official is 50 feet from where the horn (not the horn operator, but the horn) is located it would take about 0.05 second for the sound of the horn to reach the official's ears.

Light travels at about 185 miles per second, which is almost instant. The light would be far more accurate than the first two options.

Not arguing the shot either way just clarifying that light travels at 286,000 miles per second

[Predator/Prey]

You must not know what zaga does for a living!

nicker:

You don't know what I do. I install and provide maintenance for scoreboards for The Coke plant. We are now phasing out of this as others are taking over. I have installed at least 3 and know how they are wired. There is no synchronizing them or calibrating them, that is not how it works. Zaga can show us whatever he wants, but bottom line is they are all wired together.

Now, my statement stands, if we had replay in high school , the basket would be no good.

[hitter]

and you know whats funny, nobody is mentioned the guy that was bringing the ball in for Harlan county stepped across the line twice on the final play and the ref was standing right there and had called it on cordia earlier in the game

[stripedofficial]

and you know whats funny, nobody is mentioned the guy that was bringing the ball in for Harlan county stepped across the line twice on the final play and the ref was standing right there and had called it on cordia earlier in the game

This 100% did not happen.

[zaga_fan]

Here y'all go.
I'm just showing you guys what I see with the tools before me.

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[Madness]

With what you just showed me, I can say with confidence the clock operator screwed Cordia. No way all of that is done in 1 sec. Plus shot was no good , had not left hand when time ran out.

[basketball101]

People do the best they they can do .

[Granny Bear]

Thank you zaga!

I won't be posting on this subject anymore.

Mic drop

[hoghead]

Ball was in the players hand Cordia should have won

[Pulp Fiction]

zaga_fan is a gangster!!!!!

[kryptonite]

I bet that shot never gets aired on ESPN. They know that it shouldn't have been counted. The shot went through the net but everything else about the play was an embarrassment. The refs putting time back up, the clock keeper holding the clock and the refs counting the basket. Those are all embarrassing because clearly there are people either being incompetent or biased. They are being paid to do a job and they did not competently do that job.

[ekywildcat]

Like the other poster said the horn and light are wired together. How else could it work? The timekeeper can't start one on time, so surely not two. I watched it on Sports Overtime, said there was one second left, I was expecting a catch and shoot. Not denying it was a great shot and I didn't care who won, but no way you can do what that kid did in one second.

[stripedofficial]

Zaga, do you have a view of the scoreboard in any of the shots to see how long after the refs hand drops that the time started?
It looked like in the reverse view you could see the scoreboard when he catches it.

[Paparazzi]

I bet that shot never gets aired on ESPN. They know that it shouldn't have been counted. The shot went through the net but everything else about the play was an embarrassment. The refs putting time back up, the clock keeper holding the clock and the refs counting the basket. Those are all embarrassing because clearly there are people either being incompetent or biased. They are being paid to do a job and they did not competently do that job.

The clock keeper did not hold the clock. He started the clock when the ref lowered his arm. Have you ever ran a clock. You don't question the integrity of a very find gentleman over a fraction of a second. Pure idiot!

[hitter]

This 100% did not happen.

you better watch the video of Harlan county bringing it in on the last play. its plain as day