[Bob Seger]

If you don't understand that the goal of giving the money is to get one's worldview a hunky place at the policy making table, and that that is what is being suggested, then, well, you fell short of a reasonable modicum of objectivity.

The classic good vs. evil scenario...

Of course doing and promoting good offends most libs.
hmm, you seem to be upset about it too, come to think of it.

[The Urban Sombrero]

The classic good vs. evil scenario...

Of course doing and promoting good offends most libs.
hmm, you seem to be upset about it too, come to think of it.

Upset? This is a political discussion forum.

[Bob Seger]

Upset? This is a political discussion forum.

Yeah I know...That's probably the disturbing part of it..


Said the guy who is ashamed to even indicate on an anonymous website who his political allegiance lies within....I think that if I was that ashamed, I think I would maybe start working cross word puzzles as opposed to posting on political discussion forums.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Yeah I know...That's probably the disturbing part of it..


Said the guy who is ashamed to even indicate on an anonymous website who his political allegiance lies within....I think that if I was that ashamed, I think I would maybe start working cross word puzzles as opposed to posting on political discussion forums.

Do you do well on crossword puzzles? How about word finds?

[Bob Seger]

Do you do well on crossword puzzles? How about word finds?

I've read about them.

Good spin and twist away from the objective though.

Duck n Dive.

[The Urban Sombrero]

I've read about them.

Good spin and twist away from the objective though.

Duck n Dive.

My personal voting record mirrors my political beliefs as closely as is possible in a restrictive, two party system. However, divulging same is NOT relevant to issues here discussed. Debating ideas need not become a zone for haters and trolls to personalize them, thus making true, reasonable debate difficult, if not impossible.

[Bob Seger]

My personal voting record mirrors my political beliefs as closely as is possible in a restrictive, two party system. However, divulging same is NOT relevant to issues here discussed. Debating ideas need not become a zone for haters and trolls to personalize them, thus making true, reasonable debate difficult, if not impossible.

About what I figured!!!:Clap:

And you think someone is supposed to take you seriously..

[The Urban Sombrero]

About what I figured!!!:Clap:

And you think someone is supposed to take you seriously..

I don't think it is within my control how someone "takes me." Thus, I don't "think" at all about how someone "takes me."

[Bob Seger]

I don't think it is within my control how someone "takes me." Thus, I don't "think" at all about how someone "takes me."

I think that most will agree that you don't "think" at all.

[The Urban Sombrero]

I think that most will agree that you don't "think" at all.

Define "most"...

[Bob Seger]

Define "most"...

Well I guess when you ponder on that one for a few minutes, that might not have been the most appropriate wording...Perhaps with people that have common sense, "all", "purt near everybody", "the vast majority" are terms and phrases that would quickly come to mind.

[The Urban Sombrero]

I am hoping that "the vast majority" of people have common sense enough to realize that the art of politics (consensus building, finding common ground, "you give a little; I give a little") is dying under the barrage of extremism in this country and around the globe.

[Bob Seger]

I am hoping that "the vast majority" of people have common sense enough to realize that the art of politics (consensus building, finding common ground, "you give a little; I give a little") is dying under the barrage of extremism in this country and around the globe.

Apparently those people are sick and tired of the games (that you seem so fond of playing and condoning) that politicians play....

Over your head?

[The Urban Sombrero]

Apparently those people are sick and tired of the games (that you seem so fond of playing and condoning) that politicians play....

Over your head?

I hope you live your life on a level above how you debate. I imagine you do.

[Bob Seger]

I hope you live your life on a level above how you debate. I imagine you do.

Debate? Is that what we are doing?:biggrin:

[SKINNYPIG]

I am hoping that "the vast majority" of people have common sense enough to realize that the art of politics (consensus building, finding common ground, "you give a little; I give a little") is dying under the barrage of extremism in this country and around the globe.

In your opinion, which side has moved more extremely over the past twenty years?I gotta say, to me it seems the left has. I'm 55 years old and can't remember socialism getting American voters as excited about a guy like Bernie Sanders. People screaming for free this or that. I can't remember a party brag about an economy when so many Americans were out of work or no longer looking for work. I can hear all kinds on the left actually saying we don't need handguns or saying "get a shotgun and shoot through the door when you feel threatened". I honestly have not heard anyone (in government) on the right say we should have any kind of weapon we choose, just that we should be able to have what we've had for decades.

I somewhat agree with your "barrage of extremism" argument but hell man, we're a country debating which bathroom penises should be peeing in. We're a country debating the chance of building extra bathrooms incase someone is questioning what their penis is for. We are a country where men are filing lawsuits to marry their laptop. We are a country that labels anyone against illegal immigration a racist. We've become a country where people that would like to vet incoming Muslims closer is a bigot, when safety is legitimate concern.

A lot of extreme things are happening right before our eyes. I'm sure you can list a few extreme things coming from the right but honestly most of it seems to be coming from the left. That's how I see it anyway.

[The Urban Sombrero]

In your opinion, which side has moved more extremely over the past twenty years?I gotta say, to me it seems the left has. I'm 55 years old and can't remember socialism getting American voters as excited about a guy like Bernie Sanders. People screaming for free this or that. I can't remember a party brag about an economy when so many Americans were out of work or no longer looking for work. I can hear all kinds on the left actually saying we don't need handguns or saying "get a shotgun and shoot through the door when you feel threatened". I honestly have not heard anyone (in government) on the right say we should have any kind of weapon we choose, just that we should be able to have what we've had for decades.

I somewhat agree with your "barrage of extremism" argument but hell man, we're a country debating which bathroom penises should be peeing in. We're a country debating the chance of building extra bathrooms incase someone is questioning what their penis is for. We are a country where men are filing lawsuits to marry their laptop. We are a country that labels anyone against illegal immigration a racist. We've become a country where people that would like to vet incoming Muslims closer is a bigot, when safety is legitimate concern.

A lot of extreme things are happening right before our eyes. I'm sure you can list a few extreme things coming from the right but honestly most of it seems to be coming from the left. That's how I see it anyway.

I think extremists lead us to get bogged down in non-essentials. If Bruce Jenner comes to the conclusion he was supposed to have been a woman, the nation is not threatened. But while we are yelling at each other about who can pee where, our infrastructure continues to deteriorate, other nations are implementing high speed rail, etc. Extremism has yanked the process away from "roll up the sleeves" pragmatism into a world where symbolic acts of solidarity with the extremists matter more than solving problems via the art of politics.

[SKINNYPIG]

I think extremists lead us to get bogged down in non-essentials. If Bruce Jenner comes to the conclusion he was supposed to have been a woman, the nation is not threatened. But while we are yelling at each other about who can pee where, our infrastructure continues to deteriorate, other nations are implementing high speed rail, etc. Extremism has yanked the process away from "roll up the sleeves" pragmatism into a world where symbolic acts of solidarity with the extremists matter more than solving problems via the art of politics.

The art of politics is history. The likes of Hillary Clinton and Barrak Obama will never throw a midline conservative a bone, never under any circumstance. EVERYONE knows what she is yet still remains the front runner to become POTUS. I'm not extreme at all (maybe extremely handsome) but she has me shut out of ever listening to her or looking her in the eye.

[The Urban Sombrero]

The art of politics is history. The likes of Hillary Clinton and Barrak Obama will never throw a midline conservative a bone, never under any circumstance. EVERYONE knows what she is yet still remains the front runner to become POTUS. I'm not extreme at all (maybe extremely handsome) but she has me shut out of ever listening to her or looking her in the eye.

Seasons change; pendulums swing. I have hope that the political process can and will get back to a sort of gritty pragmatism and the country will tackle the very difficult challenges that lie ahead. The many visions of what America means will never be one, but love for core freedoms and civil debate amongst people who love this country can prevail. One wishes all Americans would have to live abroad for a few years. They, then, might gain a renewed appreciation for not a perfect nation, but a pretty darn special and good one.

[SKINNYPIG]

Seasons change; pendulums swing. I have hope that the political process can and will get back to a sort of gritty pragmatism and the country will tackle the very difficult challenges that lie ahead. The many visions of what America means will never be one, but love for core freedoms and civil debate amongst people who love this country can prevail. One wishes all Americans would have to live abroad for a few years. They, then, might gain a renewed appreciation for not a perfect nation, but a pretty darn special and good one.

First step, rebuke Hillary Clinton.

[TheRealThing]

I think extremists lead us to get bogged down in non-essentials. If Bruce Jenner comes to the conclusion he was supposed to have been a woman, the nation is not threatened. But while we are yelling at each other about who can pee where, our infrastructure continues to deteriorate, other nations are implementing high speed rail, etc. Extremism has yanked the process away from "roll up the sleeves" pragmatism into a world where symbolic acts of solidarity with the extremists matter more than solving problems via the art of politics.

There we have it folks. Start off with a shred of truth and come to a completely irrational conclusion in defense of liberalism. I believe one is being extreme, when they (libs) lie their heads off to make those various defenses. Even going to the extent of dragging the intentions of the founders into it. But as Seger mentioned, there is an even greater trespass associated with all this, that is the good versus evil. And that is in distorting the truths of God's Word in order to justify things like sloth and homosexuality. Government cannot regulate such things and not remain uncorrupted for having so done. It's one thing to allow policy like DADT, which though not endorsing such behavior, does not take a position of support of same, but it is quite another question to make law in support of it.

So, we have even gone to the incredible length of using man's law to overrule God's law. The federal government has thusly become the supreme arbiter and definer, even to the point of usurping the rightful role and the authority of the Church, to regulate and administer rights in contravention of God's Word. Government cannot treat the sexually deviant as a protected class. But, the genie is out and as I have said this election will say a lot about how much longer the US has left.

One man put it like this, "We're going down the drain. The only question is are we in that outer vortex moving slowly enough so as to possibly escape it's immediate pull for a while? Or are we already partially down the drain with no hope at all?" To my way of thinking, if 'the people' reject Hillary and liberalism this time, maybe we're in the outer part of the vortex and we can maybe escape for a season, to survive and do the Lord's work a while longer.

[TheRealThing]

Seasons change; pendulums swing. I have hope that the political process can and will get back to a sort of gritty pragmatism and the country will tackle the very difficult challenges that lie ahead. The many visions of what America means will never be one, but love for core freedoms and civil debate amongst people who love this country can prevail. One wishes all Americans would have to live abroad for a few years. They, then, might gain a renewed appreciation for not a perfect nation, but a pretty darn special and good one.

Government's role is not to accommodate every fruit in La-La Land. If they want to act that way, fine. We'll leave them along as long as they don't commit objectionable acts in public, and we'll give them the same protections everybody else has. But passing law meant to validate their debaucheries is gong a bridge too far.

[WideRight05]

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[Bob Seger]

I think the Koch brothers have an agenda. I have not studied Soros closely. My intention was not to compare the Koch Brothers and Soros on moral terms. However, no fair observer would paint halos above the Koch brothers heads.

Those hacked George Soros emails sure do make him look like a great guy, doesn't it, Travolta?

[The Urban Sombrero]

Those hacked George Soros emails sure do make him look like a great guy, doesn't it, Travolta?

▶ First, I beg your pardon; I never said Soros was a rose garden.

▶ Second, before the "anti-Semitic" stuff gets too long in the tooth, Soros is a child survivor of the Holocaust. Like Chomsky, he deeply opposes the policies of the present right wing Jewish leadership.

▶ Third, the suggestion was that Soros and the Koch brothers use their vast wealth to bolster those who share their worldviews...and are big enough spenders to have access to policy makers that almost no other private citizens have.

[TheRealThing]

▶ First, I beg your pardon; I never said Soros was a rose garden.

▶ Second, before the "anti-Semitic" stuff gets too long in the tooth, Soros is a child survivor of the Holocaust. Like Chomsky, he deeply opposes the policies of the present right wing Jewish leadership.

▶ Third, the suggestion was that Soros and the Koch brothers use their vast wealth to bolster those who share their worldviews...and are big enough spenders to have access to policy makers that almost no other private citizens have.

▶ Fourth, Soros merrily spends his cash to circumvent our freedoms. Who do you think bank rolls the liberal organizations at the following link? http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewS...sp?id=1237

I wouldn't waste my time trying to digest every one of them, just scroll the list and see for yourself. From Occupy Main Street, to the 650 thousand dollars he just gave BLM, the guy is a creep. Equating the Koch's and Soros to say they both use their money to effect change, is like saying Hitler and Richard the Lionheart both did the best they could to effectively rule their countries. Not quite the same.

[RunItUpTheGut]

About what I figured!!!:Clap:

And you think someone is supposed to take you seriously..

I think what taco bowl is trying to say is he will never admit hes voting for Trump so he'll act like Hillary has some ounce of character but it becomes harder to defend every day nicker:

[The Urban Sombrero]

▶ Fourth, Soros merrily spends his cash to circumvent our freedoms. Who do you think bank rolls the liberal organizations at the following link? http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewS...sp?id=1237

I wouldn't waste my time trying to digest every one of them, just scroll the list and see for yourself. From Occupy Main Street, to the 650 thousand dollars he just gave BLM, the guy is a creep. Equating the Koch's and Soros to say they both use their money to effect change, is like saying Hitler and Richard the Lionheart both did the best they could to effectively rule their countries. Not quite the same.

In my view, comparing Soros to Hitler, remembering Soros' childhood, is, at best, an error in judgement. I assert, again, that both the Koch brothers and Soros funnel large amounts of cash chasing policy and policy makers that most closely mirror their prospective worldviews.

Emily Dickinson wrote, "Tell the truth/but tell it at a slant." While her meaning was not political, I think it helpful when partisans are citing this source or that to remember it.

[The Urban Sombrero]

I think what taco bowl is trying to say is he will never admit hes voting for Trump so he'll act like Hillary has some ounce of character but it becomes harder to defend every day nicker:

If the suggestion is that one's vote on November 8, 2016, should be based on the elevated character of one or the other major party candidates, I'd be very dubious as to that particular line of thought.

[TheRealThing]

In my view, comparing Soros to Hitler, remembering Soros' childhood, is, at best, an error in judgement. I assert, again, that both the Koch brothers and Soros funnel large amounts of cash chasing policy and policy makers that most closely mirror their prospective worldviews.

Emily Dickinson wrote, "Tell the truth/but tell it at a slant." While her meaning was not political, I think it helpful when partisans are citing this source or that to remember it.

Redirect you honor. We've covered this ground in the past and though I fully expect you once again to completely side step. Where and when did the Koch Brothers use their money to foment riot and insurrection, right here in the good ol USA?