[RunItUpTheGut]

Cruz really pissed off a lot of people in the state of Colorado who are marching on the GOP head quarters there.
The GOP has two choices.
Back Trump and take the Whitehouse in 2016 OR screw Trump and he runs as a third party and takes his 40 percent with him and the repubs (by repubs I mean dems) give the Whitehouse to a piece of trash.

Up to you all.
I will write in Trump before voting for Cruz if Trump has the most votes and most delegates at the end of this primary. I don't care what the rules are.

[Hoot Gibson]

LOL, I sincerely doubt that; you have responded to every post I've ventured, even when I quoted other posters than you.

No, I'm not wrong, and we were not discussing how one becomes a delegate. We were discussing how they are to vote at the convention, a general principle of which I and everybody else on here are likely aware. I mean, how many times do I have to say they are bound on the first ballot? You know how to use the search feature, look it up.

And you could at least come up with your own material. Tirades are the stuff of your posts, as I have pointed out. You really need to quit hiding behind all the verbosity. The convention rules have been discussed on TV lately ad nauseam, making me far more familiar with them than I really care to be.

As I keep pointing out and you keep sidestepping, there are many knowledgeable people of good repute, discussing all the Trump bashing by Republican higher ups, on-air personalities and the notable list of #NeverTrumpsters and they are appalled by it. It's dirty and nothing good will come of it. There is a cliché apt for purposes of demonstration here; "What goes around, comes around." Republicans will rue the day they made their unholy alliance with the Dems to bring down Trump, who so far has been the people's choice.

Really, TRT, you are lecturing me for being verbose? I may be the runner-up, but you are the king of verbosity. :biglmao:

Republicans will rue the day for allowing a liberal Democrat run for their party's nomination. You have repeatedly stated that delegates are chosen by votes, and gone as far as trotting out that liberal canard of voter disenfranchisement. Trump has been whining about how delegates are chosen because he knows that he is very unlikely to win the nomination if he does not win it on the first ballot. Trump is the choice of 37 percent of the Republican "people" at this point and has actually been awarded more delegates proportionally than his plurality of the vote because of the winner take all states. Where is Trump's concern about people's voting franchise who had their vote negated by voting against him in winner take all states that he won? Trump is the center of Trump's universe. He couldn't care less about the people who do not support him.

Delegates bound to Trump will vote for Trump on the first ballot. Cruz's success in states like Louisiana will not change that fact, so Trump is clearly not whining about delegates being bound to him on the first ballot. His issue is that so many who will be forced to vote for him on the first ballot will not be forced to vote for him on subsequent ballots. That is the area in which Cruz is cleaning his clock and it is too late for him to do much about it - except whine about it, make empty threats to sue the GOP, call Cruz a cheaters, etc.

As for the #NeverTrumpers, as much as it pains you, I have as much right to cast my vote for who I choose as you have the right to vote for Trump. There is nothing dirty about opposing a candidate who I believe would be at least as damaging to this country as Hillary Clinton.

As for those "knowledgeable people of good repute" who support Trump and think that I should vote for him for no other reason than he claims to be a Republican - those people should cast their votes however they want but keep their collective nose out of my business. I couldn't care less about what "knowledgeable people of good repute" think I should do with my vote.

#NeverTrump

[Hoot Gibson]

Cruz really pissed off a lot of people in the state of Colorado who are marching on the GOP head quarters there.
The GOP has two choices.
Back Trump and take the Whitehouse in 2016 OR screw Trump and he runs as a third party and takes his 40 percent with him and the repubs (by repubs I mean dems) give the Whitehouse to a piece of trash.

Up to you all.
I will write in Trump before voting for Cruz if Trump has the most votes and most delegates at the end of this primary. I don't care what the rules are.

I respect your right to stick with Trump to the bitter end if you want, but exactly what did Cruz do wrong in Colorado? The Colorado GOP decided in August to select its delegates at a convention. Trump, Kasich, and Cruz were all invited to address the convention. Only Cruz accepted the invitation. Trump had a handful of representatives at the convention and judging by the videos of the conventions, they were probably outnumbered by Cruz supporters 100 to 1 or more.

Trump made the decision to skip the convention to focus on winning a majority of votes in New York. Maybe that was a smart move strategically, but Trump had to have known that he was forfeiting his chances of picking up delegates in Colorado by snubbing the state's GOP.

Cruz played the cards that he was dealt. Trump folded, left the table, and returned a few days later with his gang to lay claim to part of the pot.

[Spirit100]

So if the fix is on, which all arrows appear to be pointing, with a contested convention and whether Cruz, Kasich, or the Golden Boy ( Paul Ryan ) "are appointed" the nomination...

what are the chances Trump can win the election as an independent? Might as well start kicking that hypothetical around!!!

[TheRealThing]

1) - Really, TRT, you are lecturing me for being verbose? I may be the runner-up, but you are the king of verbosity. :biglmao:

Republicans will rue the day for allowing a liberal Democrat run for their party's nomination. 2)- You have repeatedly stated that delegates are chosen by votes, and gone as far as trotting out that liberal canard of voter disenfranchisement. Trump has been whining about how delegates are chosen because he knows that he is very unlikely to win the nomination if he does not win it on the first ballot. Trump is the choice of 37 percent of the Republican "people" at this point and has actually been awarded more delegates proportionally than his plurality of the vote because of the winner take all states. Where is Trump's concern about people's voting franchise who had their vote negated by voting against him in winner take all states that he won? Trump is the center of Trump's universe. He couldn't care less about the people who do not support him.

3)- Delegates bound to Trump will vote for Trump on the first ballot. Cruz's success in states like Louisiana will not change that fact, so Trump is clearly not whining about delegates being bound to him on the first ballot. His issue is that so many who will be forced to vote for him on the first ballot will not be forced to vote for him on subsequent ballots. That is the area in which Cruz is cleaning his clock and it is too late for him to do much about it - except whine about it, make empty threats to sue the GOP, call Cruz a cheaters, etc.

As for the #NeverTrumpers, as much as it pains you, I have as much right to cast my vote for who I choose as you have the right to vote for Trump. There is nothing dirty about opposing a candidate who I believe would be at least as damaging to this country as Hillary Clinton.

4)- As for those "knowledgeable people of good repute" who support Trump and think that I should vote for him for no other reason than he claims to be a Republican - those people should cast their votes however they want but keep their collective nose out of my business. I couldn't care less about what "knowledgeable people of good repute" think I should do with my vote.

#NeverTrump

Told ya, OCD is a cruel taskmaster. I refer you to the first line of post #58


1)- No I said you're hiding behind verbosity. You rarely address my posts directly, though you dance around them with a lot of information that usually is not relevant.

2)- Never said that or come close to saying that and you cannot show where I have.

3)- Ah, finally a straightforward statement on which we can agree.

4)- None, and I mean none of those people have ever suggested anything like that. They do call out the over the top and otherwise irrational hysteria of the #NeverTrumpsters however.

[WideRight05]

Frankly, I thought Trump's answer was just about as pointed as any I have heard in memory. He did not dodge when Matthews turned up the heat on him. I don't know, now that Trump has blazed the path for the rest again we may hear Cruz get on board with the idea that women should not expect to break the law without repercussion.

The question I heard was 'IF' abortion was outlawed, should there be a punishment attached for women who do it anyway. Now, I know it's in vogue these days for Presidents to sidestep and maneuver around the law, but normally one would not expect to hear a candidate for President advocate for law breaking without "some form of punishment." I really don't get it, and if I were advising the Trump campaign, I'd have him go into depth on the matter. How it happened, exactly what Matthews asked him and then I'd point out that he is THE ONLY guy with big enough nads to call out the bad behavior of the women who have abortions with far less consideration than most people suffer when for reasons of failing health, they are forced to have their pet euthanized. I mean, when does it get serious enough to do something about it? We've slaughtered, depending on who you might ask, 60 million here in this country alone since 1973. BTW, according to the ruling Congress has barred the use of federal Medicaid funds to pay for abortions, except when the woman’s life would be endangered or in cases of rape or incest. Yeah, right.

If there is anything on Cruz, they're saving it for a nuclear strike. But, when you think about things for just a second, it's pretty clear that every possible effort is being made to dig up anything possible on Trump. The jerk down thing with Fields, the abortion answer to Matthews which Pastor Jeffress of the First Baptist Church of Dallas agreed with, it's a put on. There's no proof that Trump is a misogynist, but there certainly is ample for his being tagged with the tried but true war on women sign. The thing that is incredible to me is that it actually seems to be working for the anti-Trump forces.

Excuse me for running behind on my response. You know as much as anybody that I am slammed with work and studies and have very little time right now to contribute as consistently as I would like to.

I can agree with you and with Donald Trump that any woman who has an abortion should face punishment. I believe, personally, it should be a very harsh punishment. Unfortunately, Donald Trump ended up backing off of his comments. My issue isn’t what he’s saying here or that he gaffes from time to time – how many people could run on 3-4 hours of sleep a night and not slip a wrong comment or two from time to time? Probably none. When he talks about this, or any issue, he should be right around the same ball park each time in that you can gather a consistent idea of what his view is. We can gather that idea when it comes to immigration or the economy. But on a lot of the other issues, it’s hard to get a firm grasp of what he will do.

Like that video I showed you a while back with Trump discussing the “progress” made on gay rights with a reporter, I just don’t know if I can trust him in this area. Too many inconsistencies on the abortion issue, and most of the time it has only come up while being asked. I have seen Trump speak, most of the time he only talks about immigration or the economy with a touch on foreign policy.

Cruz was on board with being pro-life long before Donald Trump announced his campaign or was even considered to be a contender for the presidency. Cruz has utilized his voice, his vote, and has also co-sponsored legislation to defund Planned Parenthood (well before Trump announced his intention to run).

I won’t argue you that Trump has blazed a trail on the immigration issue, but on abortion and other social issues I feel that he is mainly just trying to keep in line so that he doesn’t lose the Christian vote. At this point, he has not posted anything related to abortion on his website. He has posted seven different issues, most of them related to immigration or the economy. In addition, it has rarely been mentioned in his speeches.

You know I like you TRT, I certainly don’t want our discussion going the direction that yours and Hoot’s have gone. But I’m just having a difficult time getting on board with Trump should he emerge victorious. Reading the posts between you and Hoot is just another example of how divided the conservative movement is right now. It just shocks me at how months ago, many on this board were behind Ted Cruz, often signaling that it would either be someone like him or Paul or some other non-establishment candidate that gets their vote. His communication skills were even compared to Reagan’s at some point. Now, it’s like Ted Cruz is the devil. I supported Ted Cruz, but I still liked Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, and others that remained in the race. I even like some of the things Trump has brought to the table, such as his shredding of political correctness. I just don’t see that attitude in a lot of his supporters though. In all reality, Cruz should be Trump’s biggest ally should he emerge victorious because of his tough stance on immigration.

For many months I thought that the GOP nominee be it Cruz, Rubio, or Trump would win with nearly 400 electoral votes. Now, I just don’t think it will happen. Trump has destroyed any chance of developing a solid relationship with those around him, and with the way this election is set up I just see the outcome being disastrous no matter who wins. If he thinks that he will be able to run this ship without the help of young stars like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio, he can think again. We’re already losing Rubio in the Senate, for one, and he will not be an easy one to replace. It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Florida GOP send a more moderate candidate, or even a Democrat to win his position in a year in which conservatives have a lot of Senate seats to defend.

[TheRealThing]

Excuse me for running behind on my response. You know as much as anybody that I am slammed with work and studies and have very little time right now to contribute as consistently as I would like to.

I can agree with you and with Donald Trump that any woman who has an abortion should face punishment. I believe, personally, it should be a very harsh punishment. Unfortunately, Donald Trump ended up backing off of his comments. My issue isn’t what he’s saying here or that he gaffes from time to time – how many people could run on 3-4 hours of sleep a night and not slip a wrong comment or two from time to time? Probably none. When he talks about this, or any issue, he should be right around the same ball park each time in that you can gather a consistent idea of what his view is. We can gather that idea when it comes to immigration or the economy. But on a lot of the other issues, it’s hard to get a firm grasp of what he will do.

Like that video I showed you a while back with Trump discussing the “progress” made on gay rights with a reporter, I just don’t know if I can trust him in this area. Too many inconsistencies on the abortion issue, and most of the time it has only come up while being asked. I have seen Trump speak, most of the time he only talks about immigration or the economy with a touch on foreign policy.

Cruz was on board with being pro-life long before Donald Trump announced his campaign or was even considered to be a contender for the presidency. Cruz has utilized his voice, his vote, and has also co-sponsored legislation to defund Planned Parenthood (well before Trump announced his intention to run).

I won’t argue you that Trump has blazed a trail on the immigration issue, but on abortion and other social issues I feel that he is mainly just trying to keep in line so that he doesn’t lose the Christian vote. At this point, he has not posted anything related to abortion on his website. He has posted seven different issues, most of them related to immigration or the economy. In addition, it has rarely been mentioned in his speeches.

You know I like you TRT, I certainly don’t want our discussion going the direction that yours and Hoot’s have gone. But I’m just having a difficult time getting on board with Trump should he emerge victorious. Reading the posts between you and Hoot is just another example of how divided the conservative movement is right now. It just shocks me at how months ago, many on this board were behind Ted Cruz, often signaling that it would either be someone like him or Paul or some other non-establishment candidate that gets their vote. His communication skills were even compared to Reagan’s at some point. Now, it’s like Ted Cruz is the devil. I supported Ted Cruz, but I still liked Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, and others that remained in the race. I even like some of the things Trump has brought to the table, such as his shredding of political correctness. I just don’t see that attitude in a lot of his supporters though. In all reality, Cruz should be Trump’s biggest ally should he emerge victorious because of his tough stance on immigration.

For many months I thought that the GOP nominee be it Cruz, Rubio, or Trump would win with nearly 400 electoral votes. Now, I just don’t think it will happen. Trump has destroyed any chance of developing a solid relationship with those around him, and with the way this election is set up I just see the outcome being disastrous no matter who wins. If he thinks that he will be able to run this ship without the help of young stars like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio, he can think again. We’re already losing Rubio in the Senate, for one, and he will not be an easy one to replace. It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Florida GOP send a more moderate candidate, or even a Democrat to win his position in a year in which conservatives have a lot of Senate seats to defend.

Well actually Wide, other than arguable details I don't see where Trump has been inconsistent in his stance on abortion. He says he is against it, and past that, there walks no man who can be much more specific when an interventional and morally unhinged federal government currently makes all the rules to that end. One would expect that the eventual Republican nominee would enjoy relative cooperation with the Republican held upper and lower houses of Congress; And yet, we'd be plowing new ground here, and further, the left would be howling like werewolves. It would not be easy, but I feel Trump has the chin for it.

But as to the deal with Cruz being the devil, I don't see that either. Cruz is a good candidate but he is not always truthful. Take the whiner tag that #NeverTrump, media and political, have tried to hang on Trump. Pointing out shenanigans is not whining. Only last August the Republican elites out in Colorado ended voter participation for this primary season. Why is anybody's guess but, I know what I think and the voters in Colorado who were unaware they had been disenfranchised as the result are livid. Cruz who hangs his hat on being a constitutionalist should oppose such in my mind, but he has used the events in Colorado in which he masterfully aced Trump, as a vehicle to mock and berate him. Now, we're talking about a guy in whom the voter has bested Cruz by very nearly 2 million votes here. So, all of those who voted for Trump are incensed about it and very rightfully so.

Those who have ventured a defense of Mr Trump are not Cruz haters or Cruz opponents. When one stoops to scrape up mud to sling with one hand while flashing a white glove on the other, he is still a mud slinger. That's my problem with all of this. Most of the Trump bashing comes from the very ones who are under threat from his policies, and that certainly includes the establishment and those who have been riding for decades on the tax payer gravy train.

[Hoot Gibson]

Told ya, OCD is a cruel taskmaster. I refer you to the first line of post #58


1)- No I said you're hiding behind verbosity. You rarely address my posts directly, though you dance around them with a lot of information that usually is not relevant.

2)- Never said that or come close to saying that and you cannot show where I have.

3)- Ah, finally a straightforward statement on which we can agree.

4)- None, and I mean none of those people have ever suggested anything like that. They do call out the over the top and otherwise irrational hysteria of the #NeverTrumpsters however.

TRT, with all due respect, your recent posts have contained little more than your unsupported opinions and petty insults. If you want point by point responses, then try supporting your position with some factual information. There is no point debating opinions in the absence of facts and if I want to exchange insults with somebody, then I can tweet them directly to the The Donald.

If you persist on filling your posts with personal insults aimed my way, then you will not need to worry about any verbose responses from me.

[jetpilot]

I swear Hoot, I have never encountered anyone as full of sh!t as you. And I deal with Democrats 24/7.

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I swear Hoot, I have never encountered anyone as full of sh!t as you. And I deal with Democrats 24/7.

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[TheRealThing]

LOL, I didn't even know I liked hip hop. This guy is pretty good :biggrin:

[TheRealThing]

TRT, with all due respect, your recent posts have contained little more than your unsupported opinions and petty insults. If you want point by point responses, then try supporting your position with some factual information. There is no point debating opinions in the absence of facts and if I want to exchange insults with somebody, then I can tweet them directly to the The Donald.

If you persist on filling your posts with personal insults aimed my way, then you will not need to worry about any verbose responses from me.

Well, you're in a minority of one with that review old friend. And, I guess I need to say this one more time; the stuff you have posted about Trump and then cited may pass for factual information in some circles, but it is conspiratorial blather in my book. Yes the #NeverTrump rationale is sporadically dotted with shreds of truth, but most of the connective tissue is thinner than a gnat's butt stretched over a boxcar.

Point by point responses? You're on here by your own admission, to campaign for Cruz. You have given him a pass every time his campaign workers have gone out a vote stealin, while he stands back with that soap opera-like, obviously staged dramatic aver, promising he knew nothing of it. Even his own supporters know better. Campaign away, but you should know if your intent is to make it seem more intellectual by calling it debate, I for one ain't buying. The smearing, slander and distortions on the part of #NeverTrump and others has been offensive to all not guilty of participating.

To just claim the high ground is easy and sometimes cheap; Earning it, now that is something that only others can affirm. In any case, there is a wide gulf between the stuff you keep putting out and a respectable debate IMO.

[jetpilot]

Well, you're in a minority of one with that review old friend. And, I guess I need to say this one more time; the stuff you have posted about Trump and then cited may pass for factual information in some circles, but it is conspiratorial blather in my book. Yes the #NeverTrump rationale is sporadically dotted with shreds of truth, but most of the connective tissue is thinner than a gnat's butt stretched over a boxcar.

Point by point responses? You're on here by your own admission, to campaign for Cruz. You have given him a pass every time his campaign workers have gone out a vote stealin, while he stands back with that soap opera-like, obviously staged dramatic aver, promising he knew nothing of it. Even his own supporters know better. Campaign away, but you should know if your intent is to make it seem more intellectual by calling it debate, I for one ain't buying. The smearing, slander and distortions on the part of #NeverTrump and others has been offensive to all not guilty of participating.

To just claim the high ground is easy and sometimes cheap; Earning it, now that is something that only others can affirm. In any case, there is a wide gulf between the stuff you keep putting out and a respectable debate IMO.

Exactly what it is and I don't think one person on here buys one bit of it. Our boy Hoot is on the public tit and doesn't want to fathom life off of it. Trump will topple the apple cart. Hoot knows Cruz can't win and would rather have Hillary and business as usual. :flush:

[Hoot Gibson]

I swear Hoot, I have never encountered anyone as full of sh!t as you. And I deal with Democrats 24/7.

With your charm and (lack of) intellect, you are well qualified to serve as a Trump state campaign chairman. The job doesn't pay much and it's temporary - it only lasts a few days, but you get one of those cool Chinese red Trump hats to wear. You also get the great honor of swearing your loyalty to Trump.

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[jetpilot]

Good one Hoot. I've told you about 10 times now I will vote for the Republican nominee, which puts me several notches above you.

[jetpilot]

With your charm and (lack of) intellect, you are well qualified to serve as a Trump state campaign chairman. The job doesn't pay much and it's temporary - it only lasts a few days, but you get one of those cool Chinese red Trump hats to wear. You also get the great honor of swearing your loyalty to Trump.

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Maybe after that I can join you at the taxpayer funded trough.

[Hoot Gibson]

Maybe after that I can join you at the taxpayer funded trough.

Probably not. The people who I work for have some high standards. They might let you take out the trash.

[Hoot Gibson]

Good one Hoot. I've told you about 10 times now I will vote for the Republican nominee, which puts me several notches above you.

Trump is not a Republican. The party should have turned him away at the door and given him directions to the DNC's office.