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04-05-2016, 03:23 PM
64SUR Wrote:Spirit100....I will except the democrat Nominee for president of the united state.
alute: TRT,HOOT,RUIUG get ready I have little money I'm only asking for $9.99 in donations from every single person in the United States. And yes I will consider Granny Bear for Secretary of State only if she change over to democrat before April 30,2016. :truestory:
There is no clear line of delineation between the parties anymore. I may as well be a member of one or the other; they are all the same.
It is a sad sad state of affairs for our nation these days. I hope we haven't gone too far to come back to a solid government and supported military.
The only thing I can say for certain is that Donald Trump would never "tweet" from my dinner table!!
Thank you all for your comments. I really enjoy reading them and have learned a lot from them. I'm thankful that we can still disagree, and state those disagreements freely.
04-05-2016, 04:47 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Under no circumstance will I vote for Donald Trump and there are millions of Republicans who feel the same as I do. I agree with what you are saying about the Republican and Democrat establishments being virtually indistinguishable, but even the GOPe has never managed to offer a worse candidate than Donald Trump. By no stretch of the imagination am I qualified to be president but I honestly believe that I have a deeper understanding of our Constitution, our justice system (including the Supreme Court) foreign policy, history, and geography that Trump has. There is no excuse for a presidential candidate to be as ignorant of critical issues as Trump.
I despise Hillary Clinton and believe that she belongs in a jail cell but she is far more knowledgeable and far more qualified to be president than Trump - and I do not consider Hillary qualified at all.
It takes an absolute moron to suggest that Saudi Arabia should be armed with nuclear weapons. Saudi Arabia is governed by radical Muslims under sharia law. The government publicly beheads adulterers, converts to Christianity, and other "criminals." Minor crimes like theft are often punished by publicly lopping off the offenders hands and/or feet. 15 of the 19 9/11 attackers were born in Saudi Arabia, as was Bin Laden himself.
Arming Saudi Arabia with nuclear weapons would make it an attractive target of ISIS and other terrorist organizations. How could an American presidential candidate make such a ridiculous suggestion?
Proposing nukes for South Korea and Japan was also a mistake, but I think a case can be made to support the proposal. There is no way any sane human being can make a good argument for arming Saudi Arabia with nuclear weapons.
As with many of Trump's other ridiculous statements, Trump backed off of his original statement regarding Saudi Arabia, but then later said that they (Saudi Arabia) would eventually have nuclear weapons anyway.
Maybe I am worrying too much. After all, Trump has promised to become very presidential as soon as he dispenses with "leftovers" Cruz and Kasich, who he explains have not been very nice to him. So, as nasty as Trump has been to his fellow Republican candidates (and in some cases, to their wives), he is going to be so presidential in the general campaign against Hillary Clinton that he will be "boring." Does that explanation make sense to anybody? Does Trump expect Hillary Clinton to be nice to him, which will allow him to be presidential?
Trump supporters have an opportunity to strike at the GOPe without voting for an idiot. If they give Trump the 1,237 delegates that he needs to win the nomination, and Hillary Clinton becomes president, it will not be anybody's fault but Trump's, his supporters, and the GOPe, which tried to rig the process for a RINO. Trump is a RINO, just not the RINO that the GOPe had in mind.
Playing the Hillary card to scare people into voting for Trump is not going to work in November. Many of us are at least as scared of a Trump presidency as a Hillary presidency. Both of them would rather be our ruler than of our president. If I am going to be a subject of another imperial president, it will not be because I voted for my own subjugation.
I firmly believe there are more people that feel that way about Cruz than any other candidate. He is probably at the top of the list as far as people who will vote against or not at all against Cruz. Hes the least liked candidate and hasn't done much to sway those opinions.
I don't think Cruz has the backing to beat anyone.
04-05-2016, 05:25 PM
RunItUpTheGut Wrote:I firmly believe there are more people that feel that way about Cruz than any other candidate. He is probably at the top of the list as far as people who will vote against or not at all against Cruz. Hes the least liked candidate and hasn't done much to sway those opinions.If that is true, then Trump should easily win if a second ballot is required at the convention. But those pesky poll numbers say that Trump would be the most unpopular presidential candidate in history.
I don't think Cruz has the backing to beat anyone.
04-07-2016, 03:23 AM
RunItUpTheGut Wrote:lol, dont forget TRT, the socialist party may elect senile ole Bernie.
The one thing downplaying the disgrace that is the RINOs and what they've done this election cycle is the fact that the self appointed female goddess in a pantsuit cant shake off a silly communist and his LGBQTDFB following.
I seen another "this is finally the end for Trump" article today. Dear god, he will be in his 7th year in office and they will still be writing articles on how he will lose the nomination nicker:
You're not hearing a lot about that but Hillary is so ticked she can't see straight. But, even she is asking for a 45% tax on industry and you're not hearing a thing on that. The question about the takers selling their vote has been answered in spades. The Democrat giveth, but first he must taketh away from people who work. And for all the bozos who will vote for them anyway, if you do it again you deserve whatever calamity befalls you.
Just saying, I know the swamis are all saying Bernie has zero chance to win. If he steps up in New York I guarantee they will have to start recognizing his chances, though slim.
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04-10-2016, 04:33 PM
Cruz continues to gear up for a contested convention, while Trump continues to struggle with organizational issues.
Quote:Cruz's Methodical Delegate Strategy Narrows Trump's Path To GOP Nomination
On the way into the Colorado Republican Party's state convention in Colorado Springs Saturday morning, a Ted Cruz supporter waved a big broom with the letters "CRUZ" fastened to the top.
The convention took place in a hockey arena, and the prop is probably familiar to most sports fans. The Cruz supporter was looking for a sweep, and a sweep was what he got.
Cruz picked up all 34 Republican National Convention delegates that Colorado Republicans awarded this week. Delegates backing Cruz won all three spots in each of the state's seven congressional districts, as well as 13 statewide slots.
The Colorado win follows a similar outcome in North Dakota, where Republicans elected a mostly Cruz-approved slate of delegates at a state convention last week. Those two delegate hauls, along with more complex delegate maneuvering in states like Louisiana that had already held their primaries and caucuses, highlight a growing organizational gap between Cruz's campaign and frontrunner Donald Trump's.
As recently as last month, the Cruz campaign insisted that he was fighting to win 1,237 delegates and clinch the GOP nomination outright, though Cruz told the Denver Post on Saturday that a contested convention is a "very significant possibility." Cruz also expressed confidence that he would win in such a scenario.
04-18-2016, 01:53 AM
Trump must not realize that the U.S. bankruptcy laws do not apply to the national debt.
Quote:Trumpâs nonsensical claim he can eliminate $19 trillion in debt in eight years
Donald Trump: âWeâve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt.â
Bob Woodward: âHow long would that take?â
Trump: âI think I could do it fairly quickly, because of the fact the numbersâ¦â
Woodward: âWhatâs fairly quickly?â
Trump: âWell, I would say over a period of eight years. And Iâll tell you why.â
Woodward: âWould you ever be open to tax increases as part of that, to solve the problem?â
Trump: âI donât think Iâll need to. The power is trade. Our deals are so bad.â
Woodward: âThat would be $2 trillion a year.â
Trump: âNo, but Iâm renegotiating all of our deals, Bob. The big trade deals that weâre doing so badly on. With China, $505 billion this year in trade. Weâre losing with everybody.â
â exchange during a Washington Post interview, March 31, 2016
Of all the wildly impossible assertions made by Donald Trump, the notion that he could eliminate the nationâs $19 trillion in debt in just eight years ranks near the top. Trump suggests he can manage this feat simply by cutting better trade deals.
04-19-2016, 12:04 AM
Cheri Jacobus files a defamation suit against Donald Trump and Corey Lewandowski. Trump's unfavorable rating among women cannot go much higher, but this lawsuit will not help. This was another unforced error made by the Trump campaign and another mistake that probably could have been made to go away with a public apology a few months ago.
Quote:GOP operative sues Trump, Lewandowski for defamation
A veteran Republican operative filed a defamation suit against Donald Trump and his campaign manager in New York on Monday over statements the pair made earlier this year portraying her as a spurned job-seeker with a grudge against the Republican front-runner.
The suit, brought in New York County by communications strategist Cheri Jacobus, seeks $4 million in damages as well as unspecified punitive damages and court costs. It alleges that Trump and campaign manager Corey Lewandowski falsely and knowingly impugned her professional reputation in retaliation for her criticisms of Trumpâs performance as a candidate.
The case again casts a cloud of legal trouble over Trumpâs campaign just four days after a prosecutor in Florida announced his decision not to pursue a criminal battery case against Lewandowski for an unrelated March incident in which he grabbed Michelle Fields, then a reporter for Breitbart, by the arm.
The complaint stems from comments Lewandowski and Trump made in late January and early February following Jacobusâ January 26 assertion on CNN that Trump, in interviews and debates, âcomes off like a third grader faking his way through an oral report on current affairs.â
04-19-2016, 03:48 AM
Just like Michelle Fields, she's just seeking her 15 minutes. This too shall pass.
04-19-2016, 04:07 AM
Demarcus ware Wrote:Just like Michelle Fields, she's just seeking her 15 minutes. This too shall pass.
Hardly a ripple. And of course the timing has nothing to do with tomorrow's primary in New York.
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04-29-2016, 01:06 AM
Let's all hope that Donald Trump can get this allegation adjudicated before Hillary Clinton can make it into a campaign issue. Trump should go to court immediately and demand a declaratory judgment to put this issue behind him.
Quote:Donald Trump denies rape of teenage girl at 'sex party with convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein'
The presidential hopeful categorically denies sexually assaulting and raping the woman at his New York residence back in 1994
Donald Trump denies rape of teenage girl at 'sex party with convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein'
23:23, 28 APR 2016 UPDATED 00:05, 29 APR 2016
BY CHRISTOPHER BUCKTIN
The presidential hopeful categorically denies sexually assaulting and raping the woman at his New York residence back in 1994
US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has denied claims he raped a woman when she was a teenager.
The Republican front-runner has been accused of attacking the alleged victim with convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
The bombshell claim threatens to derail Trumpâs bid for the White House , as he is currently on course to win the partyâs nomination for the November election.
The billionaire businessman responded last night saying the allegations are "categorically falseâ.
The alleged victim, who lodged her claim in the Central District Court of California on Tuesday, is suing for $100m.
While the Mirror does not usually name victims of sexual abuse, the woman has identified herself in court papers as Kate Johnson, and plans to defend herself in court.
She accused Trump and fellow billionaire Epstein of âsexual abuse under threat of harmâ and âconspiracy to deprive civil rights.â
04-29-2016, 02:30 AM
If Trump gets the nomination, Hillary Clinton will have no problem making the War on Women charge stick against Donald Trump. His past has been filled with disgusting comments toward the fairer sex.
Quote:Donald Trump Blamed Mike Tysonâs Rape Victim: She Went to Hotel Room on âHer Own Willâ
After boxer Mike Tyson was sentenced to six years for raping an 18-year-old beauty queen, Donald Trump responded by arguing on national television that Tyson had been ârailroaded,â noting that she had gone to Tysonâs hotel room on her own.
âYou have a young woman that was in his hotel room late in the evening at her own will,â Trump told NBC News in 1992, in a clip dug up by Buzzfeed. âYou have a young woman seen dancing for the beauty contestâdancing with a big smile on her face, looked happy as can be.â
âItâs my opinion that to a large extent, Mike Tyson was railroaded in this case,â Trump said.
04-29-2016, 02:53 AM
A casino and strip job operator has alleged mob ties that span decades? I know, it is hard to believe.
Quote:Yes, Donald Trump has been linked to the mob
Donald Trump "seems terrified to release his taxes" because they may reveal his true net worth, his donations to liberal causes, or something even seedier, Sen. Ted Cruz suggested on Meet the Press.
"There have been multiple media reports about Donald's business dealings with the mob, with the mafia," Cruz said Feb. 28. "Maybe his taxes show those business dealings are a lot more extensive than has been reported."
Pressed by host Chuck Todd to back up his claim, Cruz cited reports by ABC and CNN. A Cruz spokesman forwarded us several other media reports detailing the real estate developerâs alleged ties to organized crime. The Trump campaign did not get back to us.
Is Cruz right that the Donald has worked with a few Dons in his career?
Itâs important to note that Trump hasnât been charged with any illegal activity, and itâs reasonable to argue that he was unaware or even a victim in some cases. But Cruz has a point that the mogul has been linked to the mob for decades.
04-29-2016, 02:05 PM
Hoot the Democrat shill talking crap about Trump. What a surprise. Hoot has been wrong from the get-go and looking more wrong (and desperate) every day. Why not devote a little of your valuable time making a case against Hillary, Hoot?
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04-29-2016, 02:20 PM
The desperation is pouring out of Hoot nicker:
04-29-2016, 05:13 PM
How many women have now accused Donald J. Trump of rape? The number now stands at least two. Nobody should be surprised that a friend of Bill Clinton and Jerry Epstein stands accused of rape. Trump's supporters are obviously not concerned that the liberal who they support may have much more in common with Bill Clinton than they want to know about. As long as he shouts deep, probing questions like, "What are we going to build?" and "Who is going to pay for it?" they will continue clapping like trained seals. (No offense to trained seals intended.) :-)
04-29-2016, 06:27 PM
I find it more and more difficult to find the truth in this mess of a campaign. I am surprised to find posters that I hold in the highest regard using information from questionable sources. This has become a competition that doesn't offer positive informed opinions to support one candidate or the other; rather, it has become a mud slinging free- for-all to distort facts only to down grade one candidate or the other.
One source that has been used is this thread is "The Mirror", a news source that I find more than questionable when it comes to their credibility. While they have reported on the alleged rape of this teenager at a sex party held at Epstein's residence (not Trump's), no one appears to be questioning why a teen aged girl is partying at the apartment of a known sex offender or why she has waited 20+ years to file a suit. I'm certain it being a Presidential election year is only a coincidence.
This same news source has reported on Cruz and the fear that perhaps Cruz's daughter exhibited behavior consistent with "rape culture" when she repelled from a hug that Cruz had offered to her on stage. This stuff makes me sick.
I wish that we could all be more objective in our posting about this political race, and far less personal, but I don't expect any changes.
One source that has been used is this thread is "The Mirror", a news source that I find more than questionable when it comes to their credibility. While they have reported on the alleged rape of this teenager at a sex party held at Epstein's residence (not Trump's), no one appears to be questioning why a teen aged girl is partying at the apartment of a known sex offender or why she has waited 20+ years to file a suit. I'm certain it being a Presidential election year is only a coincidence.
This same news source has reported on Cruz and the fear that perhaps Cruz's daughter exhibited behavior consistent with "rape culture" when she repelled from a hug that Cruz had offered to her on stage. This stuff makes me sick.
I wish that we could all be more objective in our posting about this political race, and far less personal, but I don't expect any changes.
04-29-2016, 06:35 PM
Granny Bear Wrote:I find it more and more difficult to find the truth in this mess of a campaign. I am surprised to find posters that I hold in the highest regard using information from questionable sources. This has become a competition that doesn't offer positive informed opinions to support one candidate or the other; rather, it has become a mud slinging free- for-all to distort facts only to down grade one candidate or the other.
One source that has been used is this thread is "The Mirror", a news source that I find more than questionable when it comes to their credibility. While they have reported on the alleged rape of this teenager at a sex party held at Epstein's residence (not Trump's), no one appears to be questioning why a teen aged girl is partying at the apartment of a known sex offender or why she has waited 20+ years to file a suit. I'm certain it being a Presidential election year is only a coincidence.
This same news source has reported on Cruz and the fear that perhaps Cruz's daughter exhibited behavior consistent with "rape culture" when she repelled from a hug that Cruz had offered to her on stage. This stuff makes me sick.
I wish that we could all be more objective in our posting about this political race, and far less personal, but I don't expect any changes.
I agree with you Granny, that we should all be objective. I have debated with TRT this whole way and he has been nothing but gracious and understanding with me.
DeMarcus Ware and RIUTG, different ball game. They seem to think that getting on here and taking cheap shots is the way to do it. If they would answer my questions or points, I would be happy to discuss it with them.
04-29-2016, 09:28 PM
WideRight05 Wrote:I agree with you Granny, that we should all be objective. I have debated with TRT this whole way and he has been nothing but gracious and understanding with me.
DeMarcus Ware and RIUTG, different ball game. They seem to think that getting on here and taking cheap shots is the way to do it. If they would answer my questions or points, I would be happy to discuss it with them.
Cheap shots? Are you kidding me?
You have an entire damn thread of cheap shots at Trump.
Literally, an entire thread. Hypocrite much?
Your own signature is a cheap shot at trump.
Go home with ted. It's over.
Let me know when you guys come out of the gutter.
04-29-2016, 10:40 PM
Granny Bear Wrote:I find it more and more difficult to find the truth in this mess of a campaign. I am surprised to find posters that I hold in the highest regard using information from questionable sources. This has become a competition that doesn't offer positive informed opinions to support one candidate or the other; rather, it has become a mud slinging free- for-all to distort facts only to down grade one candidate or the other.
One source that has been used is this thread is "The Mirror", a news source that I find more than questionable when it comes to their credibility. While they have reported on the alleged rape of this teenager at a sex party held at Epstein's residence (not Trump's), no one appears to be questioning why a teen aged girl is partying at the apartment of a known sex offender or why she has waited 20+ years to file a suit. I'm certain it being a Presidential election year is only a coincidence.
This same news source has reported on Cruz and the fear that perhaps Cruz's daughter exhibited behavior consistent with "rape culture" when she repelled from a hug that Cruz had offered to her on stage. This stuff makes me sick.
I wish that we could all be more objective in our posting about this political race, and far less personal, but I don't expect any changes.
Never seen anything like it? Me either and there's a reason. We live in the last days, the day when lies are so preeminent, one cannot keep track of them all even with a score card. I have listened to the candidates speak with my own ears and in my mind, those who are trying to steer the outcome of this election are the ones doing all the lying.
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04-29-2016, 11:55 PM
RunItUpTheGut Wrote:Cheap shots? Are you kidding me?
You have an entire damn thread of cheap shots at Trump.
Literally, an entire thread. Hypocrite much?
Your own signature is a cheap shot at trump.
Go home with ted. It's over.
Let me know when you guys come out of the gutter.
I haven't created a thread taking cheap shots at Trump relating to particular issues and I haven't used a profile sig in a long time. Are you even in the same dimension as the rest of us? nicker:
I was being quite generous calling you an establishment supporter in the other thread. I should have compared you to an Obama supporter since that's pretty much all you can say. "We win, you lose." Barack Obama was elected two times. Using your logic, I guess we should have just given up when he was elected to the White House.
04-29-2016, 11:58 PM
Granny Bear Wrote:I find it more and more difficult to find the truth in this mess of a campaign. I am surprised to find posters that I hold in the highest regard using information from questionable sources. This has become a competition that doesn't offer positive informed opinions to support one candidate or the other; rather, it has become a mud slinging free- for-all to distort facts only to down grade one candidate or the other.The leading GOP candidate for president was just hit with a $100 million lawsuit in which the plaintiff alleged that Trump raped her when she was a teenager. What part of that report is not true, Granny? Was there no lawsuit filed? Did the plaintiff not make those claims?
One source that has been used is this thread is "The Mirror", a news source that I find more than questionable when it comes to their credibility. While they have reported on the alleged rape of this teenager at a sex party held at Epstein's residence (not Trump's), no one appears to be questioning why a teen aged girl is partying at the apartment of a known sex offender or why she has waited 20+ years to file a suit. I'm certain it being a Presidential election year is only a coincidence.
This same news source has reported on Cruz and the fear that perhaps Cruz's daughter exhibited behavior consistent with "rape culture" when she repelled from a hug that Cruz had offered to her on stage. This stuff makes me sick.
I wish that we could all be more objective in our posting about this political race, and far less personal, but I don't expect any changes.
Fox News Channel would have been content to have ignored the story and that is not what a free media is supposed to do. Should the media just ignore all of the lawsuits that are entangling Trump's campaign?
How many of these Trumpsters attacked Trump and his minions Roger Stone and David Pecker for alleging that Ted Cruz engaged in affairs with five different women? None of them that I recall. Cruz is not the only GOP candidate who has been slimed by Pecker's National Enquirer during this campaign.
Lawsuits are matters of fact, just as the non-binding 2012 Colorado straw poll was a matter of fact. The source of the news should not matter if what is being reported is factual. Political campaign staffs should not be dictating news coverage.
Trump has an extremely shady personal history and the American media has done the public a real disservice with its biased reporting and relentlessly chasing after ratings.
Likewise, our media has done a very poor job covering Hillary Clinton's latest scandals. The woman should be rotting in jail already. There is no way that we should be looking forward to a November election between two sleazy characters like Trump and Clinton.
I have always known that liberals could not care less about the extreme character flaws of the Clinton family. Until Donald Trump came along and suddenly declared himself to be a conservative Republican, I thought that conservatives had higher expectations for their candidates.
I love the British tabloids like the Telegraph, Daily Mail, and Times, because when they "break" stories that the American media would prefer to ignore, it forces our media to begrudgingly cover the same stories.
As for being objective, all we can do is try. I can find no reason to vote for Trump and no reason to vote for Hillary. I know that Trumpsters cannot fathom why a conservative like myself would not jump at an opportunity to hitch a ride on the Trump bandwagon, but I would rather walk across broken glass and my mind will not be changing.
Trump and Hillary are both extreme threats to the general welfare of this nation. I cannot fathom how anybody could support either of them with any enthusiasm, although I cannot fault anybody for trying to discern the lesser of two evils and reluctantly voting for "it."
The Bushes, Dole, McCain, and Romney were all clearly lesser evils than their Democrat opponents. I had decided before this campaign began that I would never vote for the lesser of two evils again in a presidential election.
I never imagined that I would ever have any trouble deciding whether Hillary Clinton or any Republican opponent would be the lesser evil. If Trump wins the nomination, then the GOP has failed to earn my support this fall.
04-30-2016, 12:51 AM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:The leading GOP candidate for president was just hit with a $100 million lawsuit in which the plaintiff alleged that Trump raped her when she was a teenager. What part of that report is not true, Granny? Was there no lawsuit filed? Did the plaintiff not make those claims?
I never claimed that any part of the fact that the lawsuit was filed, was erroneous. And yes, the plaintiff did make those claims.
Fox News Channel would have been content to have ignored the story and that is not what a free media is supposed to do. Should the media just ignore all of the lawsuits that are entangling Trump's campaign?
Fox or any of the news channels should not ignore important stories regarding any of the candidates. By the same rationale, they shouldn't report them because of "who" that candidate is. As far as free media is concerned, I'm afraid we've crossed that imaginary bridge a long time ago.
How many of these Trumpsters attacked Trump and his minions Roger Stone and David Pecker for alleging that Ted Cruz engaged in affairs with five different women? None of them that I recall. Cruz is not the only GOP candidate who has been slimed by Pecker's National Enquirer during this campaign.
Lawsuits are matters of fact, just as the non-binding 2012 Colorado straw poll was a matter of fact. The source of the news should not matter if what is being reported is factual. Political campaign staffs should not be dictating news coverage.
Lawsuits are NOT matters of fact. The resulting examination of evidence and verdict are. I could sue you for sexual harassment. It certainly does not make the allegation true. Political campaign staffs should not be dictating news coverage regarding other candidates who may have pulled out of the campaign either. I can certainly agree that dirty tricks have been happening on both sides or better yet ALL sides, of the campaign trail.
Trump has an extremely shady personal history and the American media has done the public a real disservice with its biased reporting and relentlessly chasing after ratings.
If you want to talk about the media doing a disservice by not reporting history, let's take a look at more than just Trump. Yes, Trump does have a shady personal history, but Cruz's father fought with Castro in Cuba before he received a green card to come to America. He then discounted his citizenship and moved to Canada. It's mud slinging, and I'm not sure what all of it has to do with the candidates directly.
Likewise, our media has done a very poor job covering Hillary Clinton's latest scandals. The woman should be rotting in jail already. There is no way that we should be looking forward to a November election between two sleazy characters like Trump and Clinton.
I have always known that liberals could not care less about the extreme character flaws of the Clinton family. Until Donald Trump came along and suddenly declared himself to be a conservative Republican, I thought that conservatives had higher expectations for their candidates.
I love the British tabloids like the Telegraph, Daily Mail, and Times, because when they "break" stories that the American media would prefer to ignore, it forces our media to begrudgingly cover the same stories.
Most of them are reliable sources, but The Mirror? Come on, Hoot. Even you can't convince me that you think their reputation is reliable.
As for being objective, all we can do is try. I can find no reason to vote for Trump and no reason to vote for Hillary. I know that Trumpsters cannot fathom why a conservative like myself would not jump at an opportunity to hitch a ride on the Trump bandwagon, but I would rather walk across broken glass and my mind will not be changing.
Trump and Hillary are both extreme threats to the general welfare of this nation. I cannot fathom how anybody could support either of them with any enthusiasm, although I cannot fault anybody for trying to discern the lesser of two evils and reluctantly voting for "it."
The Bushes, Dole, McCain, and Romney were all clearly lesser evils than their Democrat opponents. I had decided before this campaign began that I would never vote for the lesser of two evils again in a presidential election.
I remember the answer you gave me four years ago when I was complaining about having no choices, and forced to choose the lesser of two evils. I tried to find the post, but my skills are good enough to do that. Basically, you told me to hold my nose and vote for a major party. You told me that voting third party would dilute the system, and be dangerous. I took your advice, Hoot.
I never imagined that I would ever have any trouble deciding whether Hillary Clinton or any Republican opponent would be the lesser evil. If Trump wins the nomination, then the GOP has failed to earn my support this fall.
I understand where you are coming from Hoot. If Cruz wins the nomination, I have not a problem pulling that lever. If Trump wins, I will pull that lever. I will NOT be voting for Hillary. Bottom line is, everyone has a right to their own opinion and I'm not going to make my political debates personal in order to convince myself that I my opinion is correct for all of humanity.
And that's all I have to say about that.
04-30-2016, 01:30 AM
Granny Bear Wrote:And that's all I have to say about that.Lawsuits are news, Granny. They can have a major impact on a campaign and they can be major distractions to a presidency. Paula Corbin Jones demonstrated that fact years ago.
I have resolved to keep my posts shorter than they have been in the past, so forgive me for not addressing your response point by point.
However, I have no doubt that your recollection of the advice that I have your four years ago is on the money. I cast a protest vote for Ross Perot because George H. W. Bush reneged on a promise not to raise my taxes. When I voted for Bob Dole, I settled for the lesser of two evils. When I voted for George W. Bush twice, I settled for the lesser of two evils twice more. When I voted for John McCain, I had to hold my nose very tightly, but I cast another vote for the lesser of two evils. I believe that Romney had the potential to be a great president, but he was far from my first choice.
After watching Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, and most of the rest of the Republicans in Congress cave time after time to Obama's will, and after watching the way that true conservatives like Ted Cruz have been treated by the RINOs who care about nothing but feathering their own beds, I promised myself not to settle for the lesser of two evils ever again.
If the Republican Party does not earn my vote in 2016 or in any future election, the Republican candidate will not be getting my vote. I am not settling for another mediocre candidate who is just going to lead us down the path of destruction at a slightly slower pace than his or her Democrat opponent.
I was wrong when I suggested that anybody hold their noses and vote for a candidate who had done nothing to earn their vote. It would be hypocritical of me to criticize anybody else for voting for a less than stellar candidate, given the number of times that I fell for the lesser of two evils argument myself.
My problem is not with the Trump supporters who believe that anybody would be a better alternative for president than Hillary. I can respect that position, whether I agree with it or not. But I felt bad enough voting for John McCain. I would have a hard time sleeping if I ever voted for Donald Trump.
As for making posts personal, I have endured my share of insults from Trump supporters during this campaign. I don't get offended when people insult candidates who I support, but I do not take kindly to being personally insulted in response to me criticizing a candidate who I do not support.
If Trump wins the nomination, I intend to continue to criticize him relentlessly. I will be doing the same in Hillary's case, just as I have done for more than 20 years. They are both contemptible human beings, IMO, and I will not pretend that one of the pigs is any prettier than the other.
04-30-2016, 08:38 AM
It seems odd to me that Donald Trump believes his "conservative" message will appeal to the socialist supporters of Bernie Sanders. The fact that Trump is making a play for Bernie's socialist supporters is just another red flag for conservative Republicans. Surely Trump will not compromise his core conservative values in an effort to win support from voters on Hillary's left. nicker:
Quote:Donald Trump's new target: Bernie Sanders supporters
(CNN)With the Republican presidential nomination within his grasp, Donald Trump is courting an unlikely group of voters: Bernie Sanders supporters.
The GOP front-runner has ratcheted up his rhetoric against presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in recent weeks, calling her a "crooked" politician who is unqualified to be president. But when it comes to her challenger, Bernie Sanders, Trump has taken a notably softer tone, praising the Vermont senator's rhetoric and encouraging him to launch a third-party bid.
"I think Bernie Sanders should run as an independent. I think he'd do great," Trump said at a victory rally in New York City Tuesday night, after sweeping five GOP contests in the Northeast.
The next morning, Trump said on MSNBC: "Bernie Sanders has a message that's interesting. I'm going to be taking a lot of the things Bernie said and using them."
04-30-2016, 10:41 PM
Trump continues to dig a deeper hole with women voters.
Seven in 10 Women Have Unfavorable Opinion of Trump
Boasting about an endorsement by "tough guy" and convicted rapist Mike Tyson is enough to make one wonder if Trump really wants to become president. He blamed the victim for going to Mike Tyson's hotel room when Tyson was convicted of rape.
Bobby Knight, who is almost as well known for his anger management issues and advice to women that "if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it," as he is for his coaching, is another endorsement that may prove to be less than helpful during a general campaign.
Seven in 10 Women Have Unfavorable Opinion of Trump
Boasting about an endorsement by "tough guy" and convicted rapist Mike Tyson is enough to make one wonder if Trump really wants to become president. He blamed the victim for going to Mike Tyson's hotel room when Tyson was convicted of rape.
Bobby Knight, who is almost as well known for his anger management issues and advice to women that "if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it," as he is for his coaching, is another endorsement that may prove to be less than helpful during a general campaign.
05-02-2016, 04:52 PM
The Trump Arizona State Campaign Chairman Jeff DeWit has charged the Arizona GOPe with collusion. On the ground while the delegates were being chosen, Mr DeWit says Trump representatives were told over and over the delegate vote was not going to happen as scheduled and that they might as well go home, some did. While at the same time "huddles" which included only Cruz, Kasich and state GOP officials would appear "and shortly thereafter things would happen."
Further, names that the Trump campaign submitted for delegate did not even appear on the ballot, and incredibly, former Arizona Governor Jan Brewer was denied a delegate slot.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the establishment is trying to deny the people's will. The Arizona vote tally went overwhelmingly for Trump as follows. Trump 250 thousand or 47%, Cruz 132 thousand or 25%, Kasich, who cares. Trump won every county in Arizona except 1 and it was a squeaker with barely 100 votes separating Cruz and Trump. And yet, the vast majority of the Arizona unbound delegates have (reportedly) gone to Cruz.
The more this stuff comes to light, the more the status quo of our national nominating process will come under scrutiny, and fire, from those who thought they had a say in said process. And, the more the people will rise up and demand their just due where a government of and by the people are concerned.
But specifically where the Arizona delegate selection was concerned, when we see folks like Jan Brewer being denied a slot, we know strings are being pulled. In other words, those in power at the moment, rode over the will of the people in favor of their own inclinations. And is this not exactly what the arrogant and self absorbed know it alls of the present administration have done in ramming homosexuality and the transformed USA down our throats? The voter has awakened and the establishment is actually trying to squelch them. I submit the voters need to be even more determined to exercise their power.
Further, names that the Trump campaign submitted for delegate did not even appear on the ballot, and incredibly, former Arizona Governor Jan Brewer was denied a delegate slot.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the establishment is trying to deny the people's will. The Arizona vote tally went overwhelmingly for Trump as follows. Trump 250 thousand or 47%, Cruz 132 thousand or 25%, Kasich, who cares. Trump won every county in Arizona except 1 and it was a squeaker with barely 100 votes separating Cruz and Trump. And yet, the vast majority of the Arizona unbound delegates have (reportedly) gone to Cruz.
The more this stuff comes to light, the more the status quo of our national nominating process will come under scrutiny, and fire, from those who thought they had a say in said process. And, the more the people will rise up and demand their just due where a government of and by the people are concerned.
But specifically where the Arizona delegate selection was concerned, when we see folks like Jan Brewer being denied a slot, we know strings are being pulled. In other words, those in power at the moment, rode over the will of the people in favor of their own inclinations. And is this not exactly what the arrogant and self absorbed know it alls of the present administration have done in ramming homosexuality and the transformed USA down our throats? The voter has awakened and the establishment is actually trying to squelch them. I submit the voters need to be even more determined to exercise their power.
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05-02-2016, 06:30 PM
Effectively nullifying my vote is the single thing that makes me the angriest. WHO do they think they are, trying to tell me that I don't have enough of a mind to make the correct choice? It's as if they are telling us to vote "their" candidate or don't vote at all.
05-02-2016, 09:48 PM
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That's definitely what the Cruz campaign and the establishment are trying to sell us.
Too bad nobodies buying.
Im just curious if these Cruz supports and Cruz himself finally concede after tomorrow if the polls do in fact hold, or do they cling to hope all the way until Trump gets to 1237, because that will happen now as well.
That's definitely what the Cruz campaign and the establishment are trying to sell us.
Too bad nobodies buying.
Im just curious if these Cruz supports and Cruz himself finally concede after tomorrow if the polls do in fact hold, or do they cling to hope all the way until Trump gets to 1237, because that will happen now as well.
05-02-2016, 10:12 PM
Granny Bear Wrote:Effectively nullifying my vote is the single thing that makes me the angriest. WHO do they think they are, trying to tell me that I don't have enough of a mind to make the correct choice? It's as if they are telling us to vote "their" candidate or don't vote at all.
And well it should. You're right, in their minds the voter is too low brow to make an intelligent choice. This is what has irked me for decades now. It is true that many folks seemingly trusted the system to be honest and above board. After all, we've all been brought up believing everything American is honest and that would obviously include the elective processes of this land. Somewhere along the line, some egg-headed Dem figured that out and that's when they began taking advantage of naïve and trusting voters. And not just the voter, the Democrat Party itself has been completely coopted into the liberal/progressive movement. Notice how proud they have become in declaring their allegiances to liberalism and progressivism on the heels of the Sanders generated appreciation for socialism?
Some would chalk up politicians desire to pick candidates for voters to arrogance, and to a large degree that is likely true. But, I believe that after the incredible victory America enjoyed in winning WW2, many just let down their guard. The party skid into liberalism did not happen overnight to be sure. Though it has been noticeable to me since the Johnson Administration, as in addition to sweeping liberal policy changes, it was then that obvious media bias began to shine through the 'News' broadcasts. Americans just did not see this thing coming, the perceived threat had always been military in scope. Who would have believed our own government officials, universities and other people of influence, would have been converted to a philosophical bent that would cause many to despise their own country?
American exceptionalism is not bad. What one sees here. is proof positive how a society can flourish under the guidelines of the concept of equality of opportunity and other conservative principles set forth by the founding fathers. We've been admired and hated for our success by the rest of the world since our inception. Somewhere along the line academia and big time libs have succeeded in stealing successive generations of our youth, as support for the Bernie Sanders campaign clearly demonstrates. And BTW, in another eerie example of Orwellian Deja Vu, the left is moving to strike the financial successes of the Reagan Administration from the record, or at least redefine them.
Americans are attempting to rediscover their national heritage, and I for one, hope the will of the voter prevails. Because that is the only thing that separates this country from becoming another applicant to the Eurozone.
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05-02-2016, 10:24 PM
RunItUpTheGut Wrote:^
That's definitely what the Cruz campaign and the establishment are trying to sell us.
Too bad nobodies buying.
Im just curious if these Cruz supports and Cruz himself finally concede after tomorrow if the polls do in fact hold, or do they cling to hope all the way until Trump gets to 1237, because that will happen now as well.
He won't get out. He for all intents and purposes, has been relegated to riding the same rung Kasich has been on. Both of them believe the establishment is gong to roll the dice and they'll be there to govern as usurper-in-chief.
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