[PHSForever]

Pretty hard to get your arms around the head of a guy standing up and running. Lol. I kid, I kid. It was a battle for sure. I can't wait to see stats and maybe one of Panther Thunder's awesome videos.

[VoR_58]

Happened right in front of me. It was thrown a little low as well. He was moving and trying to catch a pass right around thigh level. Not faulting Jarrell, just pointing it out. Not all on Frasure.

Someone posted the kids didn't lose this, the coaches did. Can't say I agree with it. On the pass to Frasure, he was open, it was a good play call in hindsight, just an execution issue/first game issues you tend to expect.

Someone else said Pikeville couldn't stop the run in the 2nd half, then another said we couldn't stop the pass. Guys, you're not giving credit where it is due. The WR for Pburg ran some really crisp routes to get open, and Jarrell's shiftiness kept the plays alive to make those passes happen. Credit to Pburg, they will be a tough out for anyone the rest of the season. I'm happy that with the exception of I think two designed run plays, Pikeville didn't really allow a breakout run. With a strong back like Frasure, containment and gang tackling/wrapping up is key. That is what Pikeville did. I'd also LOVE to see a replay of Pugh's run for Pikeville that got called back because his helmet came off. That had the potential to be a real back breaker. Also curious why he lost his helmet 3 times in the game. Hmmm .

But it was a fun game, definitely worth the price of admission and the delay to play. Pikeville had 2 starters out, I believe. I know one for sure. It is a great day to be a Panther, looking forward to the rest of the season!

It was most def not a good play call. All the credit in the world goes to Pikeville for pulling the win out, I am a Pikeville fan, but they are not stopping Frasure out of the backfield from getting 2 yards right there for the first down. Besides, Prestonsburgs kicker was kicking extra points into the river. Kick a field goal and the game is likely over. It's a 2 possession game then with very little time on the clock. And yes, I will stand by saying, the P-burg coaching staff lost this game for them.

[Granny Bear]

By the way, got to meet #1 Blackcat Fan last night. Classy guy, had a good time discussing the game back and forth. I thought he was going to have a heart attack the last minute and a half. nicker:

He was texting me the scores every time they changed!!

Now that I think of it, I haven't heard anything from him since that last text!!
:yikes:

[PHSForever]

It was most def not a good play call. All the credit in the world goes to Pikeville for pulling the win out, I am a Pikeville fan, but they are not stopping Frasure out of the backfield from getting 2 yards right there for the first down. Besides, Prestonsburgs kicker was kicking extra points into the river. Kick a field goal and the game is likely over. It's a 2 possession game then with very little time on the clock. And yes, I will stand by saying, the P-burg coaching staff lost this game for them.

Kicking into the river is exaggerating a little, but definitely a solid kicker. Don't think he got one over the fence. Plus, Estep was VERY close to blocking a couple of the PAT's coming off the edge. That might have factored into the coaches' thought process.

And credit Pikeville's D a little more, made SEVERAL stops in the backfield, and I can think of 2-3 times Frasure had no gain. Pikeville spent a fair amount of time in the Blackcat backfield. BUT they also let Jarrell have WAY too much time to throw on others. That is credit to the Pburg Oline. Not saying he's a bad back, before anyone accuses me of that. Just saying THAT call was not a particularly bad one. There were others I thought were way more questionable throughout the game than that one.

[PHSForever]

He was texting me the scores every time they changed!!

Now that I think of it, I haven't heard anything from him since that last text!!
:yikes:

Last I heard from him was after the last pass attempt was broken up and no clock left. May have to check on him today.

:biggrin:

[hunter33]

No one said it was on frasure! Win, as a team, lose as a team, good game to watch for Pikeville fans. Not so good for p burg fans.this game should have been 29 to 0 at the half! Dropped passes in the end zone killed pburge. Bad snaps hurt the blackcats,also the only 2 scoring drives for Pikeville came on missed defensive assignments in the first half! Blackcats need to work on there mistakes, put this behind them and move on to next week.congrats to Pikeville for not giving up.

[VoR_58]

Kicking into the river is exaggerating a little, but definitely a solid kicker. Don't think he got one over the fence. Plus, Estep was VERY close to blocking a couple of the PAT's coming off the edge. That might have factored into the coaches' thought process.

And credit Pikeville's D a little more, made SEVERAL stops in the backfield, and I can think of 2-3 times Frasure had no gain. Pikeville spent a fair amount of time in the Blackcat backfield. BUT they also let Jarrell have WAY too much time to throw on others. That is credit to the Pburg Oline. Not saying he's a bad back, before anyone accuses me of that. Just saying THAT call was not a particularly bad one. There were others I thought were way more questionable throughout the game than that one.

Yes I was being sarcastic about the kicker. But I definitely would have tried it.

We must have watched a different game is all I know. I told you I give all the credit in the world to Pikeville for not giving up, but anyone that knows football, knows that Pburg should have won this game. But they didn't because of coaching decisions. Plain and simple.

[oneijoe]

Yes I was being sarcastic about the kicker. But I definitely would have tried it.

We must have watched a different game is all I know. I told you I give all the credit in the world to Pikeville for not giving up, but anyone that knows football, knows that Pburg should have won this game. But they didn't because of coaching decisions. Plain and simple.

Right or wrong, Coach D. is nothing if not consistent. It was 4th and 9 from the Somerset 16 with the score tied in last years Regional final and he wouldn't call for the FG attempt. Instead, we don't get the 1st down and you know the outcome. He plain and simply refuses to trust any kicker with the game on the line, outside a PAT.

And here's what I don't get about that... Prestonsburg beat a good Sheldon Clark team 5-6 years ago with a 38 yard FG deep in the 4th. He called it then, but never has again with a game on the line.

My thought is using the kicking game as he does might be a result of some kind of published statistical study somewhere or other he's read. hh:

It may be the same deal with the squib kickoffs. Prestonsburg never benefitted from them last year and instead kept giving up good field position. Ignoring the fact it actually worked as designed Saturday night (P-burg got a recovery), over the last 3 years Prestonsburg always does that squib kickoff looking for a magic bounce.

But ignoring all of that, IMO the worst call was calling a pass play on 3rd and long with about 1:40 remaining while Pikeville was out of time-outs (last one was used on previous play I believe). If the Blackcats call a run, the clock could conceivable get to 1:00 to play before kicking on 4th down (depending on how long it took to untangle the pile and mark the ball). While I'm sure Coach D. had faith in the call, it simply is NOT smart football. Perhaps he mistakenly thought Pikeville had another time-out...? I did notice the scoreboard changed to 0 timeouts remaining for the Panthers only after P-burg came to the line for the 3rd down play. It's certainly no excuse, as the coach isn't supposed to depend on the scoreboard for that info, but it's the only logical reason which makes some kind of sense.

The ensuing P-burg punt was poor (I think Jarrell was surprised there was no rush...lol), but that's another of those things which happen in a game.

Pikeville's offense simply outplayed/outgutted Prestonsburg's defense on that last drive.

[PHSForever]

Yes I was being sarcastic about the kicker. But I definitely would have tried it.

We must have watched a different game is all I know. I told you I give all the credit in the world to Pikeville for not giving up, but anyone that knows football, knows that Pburg should have won this game. But they didn't because of coaching decisions. Plain and simple.

I know football. And all I'm saying is, one play decision did not decide this game. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, in the end, Pikeville won by executing and Prestonsburg did not. And for the record, I agree, if the kicker is that good, a FG would have been a wise decision. I can't believe I'm actually defending Derossett. Someone set up a doctors appointment for me, please? :biggrin:

[VoR_58]

No it was a couple plays that did. Another being the one that oneijoe just referenced above.

[PHSForever]

Right or wrong, Coach D. is nothing if not consistent. It was 4th and 9 from the Somerset 16 with the score tied in last years Regional final and he wouldn't call for the FG attempt. Instead, we don't get the 1st down and you know the outcome. He plain and simply refuses to trust any kicker with the game on the line, outside a PAT.

And here's what I don't get about that... Prestonsburg beat a good Sheldon Clark team 5-6 years ago with a 38 yard FG deep in the 4th. He called it then, but never has again with a game on the line.

My thought is using the kicking game as he does might be a result of some kind of published statistical study somewhere or other he's read. hh:

It may be the same deal with the squib kickoffs. Prestonsburg never benefitted from them last year and instead kept giving up good field position. Ignoring the fact it actually worked as designed Saturday night (P-burg got a recovery), over the last 3 years Prestonsburg always does that squib kickoff looking for a magic bounce.

But ignoring all of that, IMO the worst call was calling a pass play on 3rd and long with about 1:40 remaining while Pikeville was out of time-outs (last one was used on previous play I believe). If the Blackcats call a run, the clock could conceivable get to 1:00 to play before kicking on 4th down (depending on how long it took to untangle the pile and mark the ball). While I'm sure Coach D. had faith in the call, it simply is NOT smart football. Perhaps he mistakenly thought Pikeville had another time-out...? I did notice the scoreboard changed to 0 timeouts remaining for the Panthers only after P-burg came to the line for the 3rd down play. It's certainly no excuse, as the coach isn't supposed to depend on the scoreboard for that info, but it's the only logical reason which makes some kind of sense.

The ensuing P-burg punt was poor (I think Jarrell was surprised there was no rush...lol), but that's another of those things which happen in a game.

Pikeville's offense simply outplayed/outgutted Prestonsburg's defense on that last drive.

I was really surprised they kept doing it with only one recovery. Especially knowing Pikeville has a good rushing game, you really don't like giving strong running teams short field like that normally. Pikeville needed to go squib due to not having a Zack Vanhoose anymore, and enough speed on the coverage team to make it work. I figured they'd try to pine Pikeville deep more often.

[PHSForever]

No it was a couple plays that did. Another being the one that oneijoe just referenced above.

Just agree to disagree. Believe me, I have NO problem not defending Coach D. Lol. I do wish Pburg luck the rest of the way, though.

[oneijoe]

No one said it was on frasure! Win, as a team, lose as a team, good game to watch for Pikeville fans. Not so good for p burg fans.this game should have been 29 to 0 at the half! Dropped passes in the end zone killed pburge. Bad snaps hurt the blackcats,also the only 2 scoring drives for Pikeville came on missed defensive assignments in the first half! Blackcats need to work on there mistakes, put this behind them and move on to next week.congrats to Pikeville for not giving up.

These are just "the things which happen", especially in a season's first game. The worst one was the 82 yd Pikeville TD pass.

The cornerback did just about everything wrong on that one. He lined up 3 yards off the receiver with his eyes on the Pikeville backfield.

- if you're spying the backfield, you have to be at least 5 yards off the WR to have time to turn and stay with him if he streaks.

-or-

- if you're playing bump/run, you have to be right up ON the receiver to jam him at the line and keep your eyes on HIM.


Only when a safety has your backside can you take chances out on the island. Tough way for the CB to learn that (though in this case, it was more thoughtlessness). But hey...better to get it wrong now rather than later.


EVERY PLAYER should have a thought progression (is he in the right place, his assignment, etc.) he goes through and plays his position correctly each and every snap.


:popcorn:

[Trashtalker]

WOW didn't see that comming

[TigerBlues]

Damn, what a football game. Congrats to Pikeville, talk about gutting out a win that was it.

[Trashtalker]

Big win for pikeville must be as good as advertised

[oneijoe]

I was really surprised they kept doing it with only one recovery. Especially knowing Pikeville has a good rushing game, you really don't like giving strong running teams short field like that normally. Pikeville needed to go squib due to not having a Zack Vanhoose anymore, and enough speed on the coverage team to make it work. I figured they'd try to pine Pikeville deep more often.

Nope, the squib has been a P-burg constant, regardless of the opponent. I'm sure Coach D. has his reasons, but it would take some convincing to get me to see it as a smart play. Most coaches take the ball on the 35 if a kick goes out of bounds (Coach D. does every time), so one has to believe coaches see that as good field position on a KO return.

That logic makes no sense when you squib every KO, which gives the ball to the opponent in better position than that virtually every time (other than the 1-in-5 odds of a kicking team recovery, and that only if executed correctly).

[jetpilot]

Don't know why all the focus seems to be on what Prestonsburg did wrong to lose the game. Besides Pikeville just gutting out the win, if they don't have all the turnovers, snapping over the punter's head, TD called back because of no helmet, and a few dumb penalties, they win going away.

[BlueSky]

Two pretty fair teams, and a Great High School game to watch....Two pretty even teams

[Big Five-0-]

For me, the highlight of the game was where Daric Pugh ran the ball in with no helmet. Don't see that too often.

[hunter33]

Like I said they need to work on things this week. Coverage assignments being one of them! Enough mistakes made for the blame to be spread all over the team. Not just one or two players. I'm out!! Till next week!!

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

By the way, got to meet #1 Blackcat Fan last night. Classy guy, had a good time discussing the game back and forth. I thought he was going to have a heart attack the last minute and a half. nicker:

Nice to meet you to sir. It was only a stroke not a heart attack. nicker:

He was texting me the scores every time they changed!!

Now that I think of it, I haven't heard anything from him since that last text!!
:yikes:

I have learned over the years not to post for a day or two after a tough loss. You tend to make an ass of yourself.

Kicking into the river is exaggerating a little, but definitely a solid kicker. Don't think he got one over the fence. Plus, Estep was VERY close to blocking a couple of the PAT's coming off the edge. That might have factored into the coaches' thought process.

And credit Pikeville's D a little more, made SEVERAL stops in the backfield, and I can think of 2-3 times Frasure had no gain. Pikeville spent a fair amount of time in the Blackcat backfield. BUT they also let Jarrell have WAY too much time to throw on others. That is credit to the Pburg Oline. Not saying he's a bad back, before anyone accuses me of that. Just saying THAT call was not a particularly bad one. There were others I thought were way more questionable throughout the game than that one.

I know for a fact both of the first two extra point attempts was over the fence to the river bank. I can not confirm the third one i was celebrating.

In my coach from the stands opion, when you are up 7 on 4th down at your oppenents 14, and have a kicker who is knocking down 40-45 yarders in warm ups, take the 3.

Bottome line Prestonsburg made several mistakes, but the Panthers did also. Pikeville never lost focus and never gave up and overcame the mistakes they made.

Both teams appear to have bright seasons ahead of them. Both need to work on the fundamental mistakes made in this game.

This was one of the best high school football games i have ever witnessed. Congrats to Panthers and good luck on the season.

Blackcats on to the next one.

[PHSForever]

Nice to meet you to sir. It was only a stroke not a heart attack. nicker:



I have learned over the years not to post for a day or two after a tough loss. You tend to make an ass of yourself.



I know for a fact both of the first two extra point attempts was over the fence to the river bank. I can not confirm the third one i was celebrating.

In my coach from the stands opion, when you are up 7 on 4th down at your oppenents 14, and have a kicker who is knocking down 40-45 yarders in warm ups, take the 3.

Bottome line Prestonsburg made several mistakes, but the Panthers did also. Pikeville never lost focus and never gave up and overcame the mistakes they made.

Both teams appear to have bright seasons ahead of them. Both need to work on the fundamental mistakes made in this game.

This was one of the best high school football games i have ever witnessed. Congrats to Panthers and good luck on the season.

Blackcats on to the next one.

Classy post sir. And thanks for correcting me on the PAT kicks. I guess I blur bad things from memory. Glad the stroke appears to have been minor. nicker:

[Panther Thunder]

After the game, Coach Mac and, Panther Great, Jody Brown fulfilled their part of the deal on a challenge issued by their coach, Hillard Howard. The two participated in the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge and handed out some challenges of their own to some more Panther legends! It was a fun night for Panthers fans, topped off with support for a great cause.

[TigerBlues]

For me, the highlight of the game was where Daric Pugh ran the ball in with no helmet. Don't see that too often.

I agree Five-O that was something else, watching that on tv made it even better. That takes a different mentality to do that, obviously he is beyond tough.

[oneijoe]

Don't know why all the focus seems to be on what Prestonsburg did wrong to lose the game. Besides Pikeville just gutting out the win, if they don't have all the turnovers, snapping over the punter's head, TD called back because of no helmet, and a few dumb penalties, they win going away.

IMO, it's because some of Prestonsburg's mistakes were of the controversial "coaching decision" kind. It's more fun (?) talking about those than execution mistakes.

But you're right, objectively both teams played fairly sloppy games - entertaining as it was.

[Big Five-0-]

I agree Five-O that was something else, watching that on tv made it even better. That takes a different mentality to do that, obviously he is beyond tough.

Agree. He's a player for sure.

[Ike Cooter]

Unbelievably awful playing calling down the stretch by the P-burg coaching staff. The kids did not lose this game. The coaches did.

I would like my crow medium well with a side of gravy. I truly thought Prestonsburg would win big based on what each team had returning and their seasons last year. However what I didn't factor into my prediction was coaching.

Congrats Pikeville. Looking forward to week 3.

[PaytoPlay]

Just from reading this thread, it sounds like Pikeville's coaching staff really outshined Pburg's staff.

[jetpilot]

Just from reading this thread, it sounds like Pikeville's coaching staff really outshined Pburg's staff.

No, it sounds like a lot of whining coming from the losing team's "fans".
Bashing coaches is what losing teams do when they refuse to admit their team lost on the field.