[Slamup]

Final from the Boman Classic

[TriCountySports]

Harlan seems to be playing pretty good, even if they lost to Bell Co. This was a good win for them. I'm going to say Williamsburg is the favorite in the All A, but Barbourville and Harlan are close on their tracks.

This is the only game we predicted wrongly in the Bowman Classic.

[HDE]

Jackson County is the favorite.

I'd go:
1. Jackson
2. Middlesboro, Harlan, Williamsburg, Barbourville
6. Pineville
7. Oneida Baptist
8. Lynn Camp
9. Red Bird

[thedealer12]

If I'm not mistaken Williamsburg and Jackson County play each other in the first round again and Barbourville plays Harlan. 2 of the top 4 or 5 teams in the 13th region all "a" won't even get to make it to the Semi's

[TriCountySports]

I hate the scheduling of the tournament. HDE is right on the money, I think, with most of the teams being tied at second.

According to our new rankings, the projections would look like this:

1. Jackson
2. Barbourville
3. Williamsburg
4. Harlan
5. Middlesboro
6. Pineville
7. OBI
8. Lynn Camp
9. Red Bird

You can see all of our rankings here:

ITCS 13th Region Power Rankings

[TheProfessor33]

I agree with your rankings other than flipping Middlesboro and Harlan. I know Middlesboro has struggled early, but I really like Foister and Poindexter. IMO, Foister is the best pure scorer in the region. Poindexter, is a man when he wants to play. I also think their point guard is very underrated. Harlan, on the other hand, lives and dies with Miller. There isn't one other consistent player in their lineup. They also struggle to handle the ball. I've watched them a couple of times, and turnovers are a major problem for them. I also think Pineville is very dangerous in this group.

[Tobin Frost]

Miller spent the bulk of the Pineville game on the bench in foul trouble. Aaron Simpson, Harlan's other big that professor says has no game, had 21 points and 13 rebounds and was the main reason for the win. Simpson then had 15 to lead all scorers but Potter against Bell, and he was the Harlan radio station's player of the game. Busroe, the guard professor says struggles to handle the ball, had 6 assists and 1 turnover against Bell, and Harlan had only 8 turnovers as a team against Bell, a team ranked higher than Middlesboro.

Harlan is 3 (North/Pineville/Lynn Camp) and 2 (Bell twice), not 3-3 as Tri-County Sports has them listed.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the rankings, and thankfully you never have to let facts get in the way. We can read them, believe them, or not, because it all eventually is settled on the scoreboard anyway. Just thought rivals members might be interested.

[TheProfessor33]

I wasn't at the second Bell Co. game. However, the numbers do not lie. On the season, Harlan has struggled to take care of the ball...period. 20 plus turnovers against North, and 20 plus turnovers against Bell Co. the first time (Busroe had 12 by himself in that ballgame). I don't know where you're getting your numbers from in Bell Co. #2 but im a little skeptical. If they are accurate then that is a huge improvement.

[BBN30]

I have a feeling TheProfessor33 is going to say those games the Simpson boy had against Pineville and Bell must have been flukes...

[Tobin Frost]

Nah, he just focused on something else and ignored Simpson. I doubt any player in the region has had 12 turnovers by himself in any game this year, so I'm more than a little skeptical of that figure, especially for one obviously grinding his axe daily against Harlan. The stats I quoted came straight from the radio. No guarantee on accuracy, but even two or three (if radio is off a bit) is a long way from 12.

[TheProfessor33]

I'm just making observations..that's all! It seems like you two are taking everything personal. I don't take it personal that ITCS has Harlan ranked ahead of Middlesboro. I simply state reasons why I think Middlesboro is better. Chill out..have fun and root for your team without being so hostile. geez!!!

[TriCountySports]

Miller spent the bulk of the Pineville game on the bench in foul trouble. Aaron Simpson, Harlan's other big that professor says has no game, had 21 points and 13 rebounds and was the main reason for the win. Simpson then had 15 to lead all scorers but Potter against Bell, and he was the Harlan radio station's player of the game. Busroe, the guard professor says struggles to handle the ball, had 6 assists and 1 turnover against Bell, and Harlan had only 8 turnovers as a team against Bell, a team ranked higher than Middlesboro.

Harlan is 3 (North/Pineville/Lynn Camp) and 2 (Bell twice), not 3-3 as Tri-County Sports has them listed.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the rankings, and thankfully you never have to let facts get in the way. We can read them, believe them, or not, because it all eventually is settled on the scoreboard anyway. Just thought rivals members might be interested.

You're right, they're 3-2. I was trying to get it posted before my wife and I left for our church's Christmas play.

I think M'boro and Harlan are interchangeable, really. I actually think M'boro is more talented than Harlan, but that 53-point loss was just too much to put them ahead of the Green Dragons.

Harlan has one good win (North Laurel), and no bad losses, to this point. They really shouldn't lose another game until they play Harlan Co on Jan 14th. I don't like their schedule at all and think it will hurt them come tournament time. But, I've been wrong before.

[Tobin Frost]

Who's not having fun? Which team are you rooting for and not being 'hostile' when repeatedly explaining why Harlan and its individual players are terrible? I said rankings can go either way. Have no dog in that fight, just making my own "observations" about your statements against what I heard at the Bowman tournament. We play them in a few weeks, and if they are still as bad as you say, should be an easy win. Listening Saturday though, I doubt it.

[TheProfessor33]

You still sound hostile

[Tobin Frost]

Haha...the basher becomes the emotional police? Facts often sound hostile when they go against what we believe to be true. Another incorrect observation

[TheProfessor33]

Not bashing anyone. When we consistently rank Red Bird last in the region, are we bashing Red Bird?? Its an opinion. We discuss basketball teams on here. That is the point. I watch a lot of games in the 52nd district, so naturally I am going to make observations about those teams.

[Tobin Frost]

Hahaha...nice try. I'll remember that the next time I see a post where you exaggerate the high turnovers, the lack of any talent besides one player, or anything negative for Red Bird or for any of the other 52nd district teams. You keep observing, and I'll 'naturally' keep making observations about your observations. Your points, and your right to discuss comes with an equal right to a response. Otherwise, it's just you preaching. Don't sling crap and then go sensitive when someone disagrees.

[TheProfessor33]

Dude..I'll keep making my observations. You keep making your observations! IMO Harlan has one player that is legit....period!!! The Miller kid! I've watched them play several times. That's my opinion. If you have a problem with that, stop reading my posts. I'll sling whatever I want to sling. No one is exaggerating turnovers. They're reported on the sports websites, local newpapers, etc. As for the Busroe kid, he absolutely had a ton against Bell Co. in their first matchup. When I said 12, I was going by what the talk after the game was. I watched the game and I knew that if it wasn't 12 it was somewhere in that neighborhood. I question if you know what you are talking about. What do you mean, you doubt anyone has turned it over 12 times by themselves. That's actually pretty common, especially for a freshman (that's an avg. of 3 per quarter..guess you're not a math expert) The point is..Very Possible!! So, keep making your observations about my observations. I look forward to it. I love debating crazy, dillusional parents!!!

[Tobin Frost]

Aw...I sense hostility...hahahahahaha.

[TheProfessor33]

You have to be either a player or one of the palyer's parents. Likely a parent, IMO. I'm gonna guess the parent of one of the two players you keep making reference to.

[Tobin Frost]

Hahaha...I am a parent, but of a student that now goes to HC, and I know EXACTLY which HC player to make 'observations' about if we are really trying to reveal internet identities.

[Harlan Native]

Dude..I'll keep making my observations. You keep making your observations! IMO Harlan has one player that is legit....period!!! The Miller kid! I've watched them play several times. That's my opinion. If you have a problem with that, stop reading my posts. I'll sling whatever I want to sling. No one is exaggerating turnovers. They're reported on the sports websites, local newpapers, etc. As for the Busroe kid, he absolutely had a ton against Bell Co. in their first matchup. When I said 12, I was going by what the talk after the game was. I watched the game and I knew that if it wasn't 12 it was somewhere in that neighborhood. I question if you know what you are talking about. What do you mean, you doubt anyone has turned it over 12 times by themselves. That's actually pretty common, especially for a freshman (that's an avg. of 3 per quarter..guess you're not a math expert) The point is..Very Possible!! So, keep making your observations about my observations. I look forward to it. I love debating crazy, dillusional parents!!!

I would go as far as to say he does indeed know what he is talking about.. You always bash Harlan in any thread they're mentioned in.... It's a constant, "Miller is all they have," "Harlan is nothing without Miller," etc etc... When in all reality they have a collective group of kids who are pretty good ball players. Yes, Miller is the most talented kid on the team, but the Simpson boy is nothing to sleep on... He averaged a double-double for the Bowman Classic and was POG against Bell, and Busroe is on a very steep decline in his turnover margin.. This HHS team will be something to watch over the season, despite what you may think..

[TheProfessor33]

And you take EVERY oppurtunity to let everyone know just how good the Simpson kid is . So, I guess it all evens out..right?? You must also be a parent. Let me be more specific..dillusional parent. Again, I'll bash who I want to bash. If you don't like it, dont read it. But, i'm not saying anything your own fans at the games dont say.

[Harlan Native]

And you take EVERY oppurtunity to let everyone know just how good the Simpson kid is . So, I guess it all evens out..right?? You must also be a parent. Let me be more specific..dillusional parent. Again, I'll bash who I want to bash. If you don't like it, dont read it. But, i'm not saying anything your own fans at the games dont say.

I take that opportunity to let you know that because YOU claim that he isnt any good and that you don't even know his name which is ridiculous because we both know that you know who he is.. Yes, I am a parent, but my child is not in highschool... By the way.

[TheProfessor33]

You don't know what I know. When we started talking about 52nd district bball, i absolutely did not know what his name was. My observation was, "he was limited" thats all. Don't tell me what I know. I don't know any of the kids in Harlan Co. personally. You guys started using names on here. I've said before that Poindexter doesn't always play hard. We've watched him for several years down here and it drives us crazy. Am I bashing him because I criticize his game?? I think not. You're just a couple of crazy parents..period!!

[Tobin Frost]

"Again, the 6'7" kid CAN'T PLAY!!!!"

Your quote from the "Bell starts 0-2" thread. You also screamed that Harlan against any other district opponent is a "mismatch, period!", but now two Bell games have proven otherwise. Poor observations over and over.

Again, when you can no longer support your statements, it is easier to insult the messenger ("delusional", "crazy") or become "hostile" (all your words). You can say/bash anything you want (your only correct statement), but you get to be accountable for incorrect statements when you get called on them, just like everyone else.

[Harlan Native]

Tobin, you have hit the nail on the head! Very logical arguments from you... I love it! The professor is threatened when someone gives him a logical return to his bashing and goes deeper and deeper with the personal insults to the two of us "Delusional Parents"

[TheProfessor33]

Sounds like two vicious mommas!!

[From Downtown]

I think Harlan will get better as the year plays out. The only reason I think they might not reach their full potential is their schedule. The schedule is one of the weakest if not the weakest in the region. Other than the NL game and district games they have no body on the schedule that shows much about this team.

[Harlan Native]

I think Harlan will get better as the year plays out. The only reason I think they might not reach their full potential is their schedule. The schedule is one of the weakest if not the weakest in the region. Other than the NL game and district games they have no body on the schedule that shows much about this team.

Other than the district games and the game against Buckhorn, I believe you are correct. On the other hand, they do play B'ville twice and the All "A" tournament will be a good test with teams like Jackson Co in it...