[Dolphinsfan]

first of all u must be very good friends with the coach to think he has done a good job how do u explain going from first place in the county to third place after the middle of the season it just dont happen if u are even a average coach in as little games as they are in county basketball or are u one of those people who buddy up to coaches to get them on your side for your kids sake or do u even have kids u cant explain going from first to third in that short of a time so in all reality u aint worth discussing this matter with .erved:

All of my kids are grown and gone, so I'll just unbiasedly give you an answer. It's just like in a basketball game it is not over until all 4 quarters are played, a season is not over until all of the games are played. You can win 3 quarters of a game and only loose 1 quarter and still get blown off the court.

He finished third because he has a team that has the 3rd best talent in the county. His talent level took him exactly as far as it could take him. No inside presence hurts, and they only have two players on the team that are capable of scoring. That is why. Central Elementary is far more talented from top to bottom, and Highlands will be unbeatable in the tournament. Anything more.

[brokencard]

I think it is a real shame that some of the coaches no matter what won't let kids play!!!!If a 6th grader is good enough to make it on the A team at the beginning of the year , then they ought to be good enough to play in the county tournament. It should be absolutely unacceptable to let a sixth grader sit the bench when that may be their last opportunity to represent their school! I heard that a parent tried to have an altercation with one of the coaches, all I can say to that parent is that I sympathize with you. One of these days that coaches sons will be old enough to play and the only true justice in this world would be that they just couldn't measure up. Then when his child has to sit the bench broken hearted maybe he might find some compassion!!!!!:boo: By the way congratulations to HIGHLAND on their victory!

[halfstep]

I have been coaching in the elementary schools for a few years now and I don't think we ever have taken just one kid and tried to make them a superstar. And there have been a few that we could have and I don't ever remember any grade school coach doing that. I guess you would take a loss and play all your kids than to teach them about the sport. I don't think if you were the cheerleading coach you would let everyone cheer if that would cost you a title. I know for a fact that I worked with every kid no matter how good or bad they were and everyone got to play at the c team level and most at the b team level. I can't think of kids that did not get to play and then transfer across the creek and get to play. I can think of a few that they have persuaded to come across the creek, promise them the world and then they don't even get to play. Then they try to come back to the other side of the creek and they won't release them to play. So the point of that is they try to get as many as they can and then won't play them. :Thumbs: Give me an example of someone who did not get to play at the grade school level and get developed some where else. I don't think we will use that page out of Paintsville's book. So what do you consider the pee wee division in basketball, football, and baseball. I think the same rules apply to Jr. pro! What about buddy ball. Are you telling me that in Paintsville's leagues that no one is considered a superstar and promised the world? And that they don't watch to see who the next superstar at the high school level? I don't disagree with the programs that give a chance for these kids but you need to get some facts straight before you argue about something. So what you are saying is have a try out for the grade schools and keep only those who are good enough, cut those that are not, and only keep 10 or 11. That would really cure the problem until the parents come crashing down on you for cutting their kids. How will that allow a kid to develop if you cut them? I think some kids won't hit their full ability for a few years but most good coaches can tell if the have any talent. So the Jr. pro coaches don't try to win their games? I don't think so! I have watched a few of those games.

I never said to cut any kids. I said to put 10 to 12 kids on each team. That is a total of 30 to 36 kids. I know of only one school that used to have that many come and that was Highlands. And this only a suggestion. My only mistake was I compared it to across the creek. I should have compared it to Buddy Ball. And I never said to not try and win. You always want to teach the kids to be winners.
As I said in another reply. I have only bashed one area of the system. And that is because I see it very often and I am not the only one that feels that way. I know that the school system has always been good to me. If they hadn't you wouldn't see me at as many games as you do. I support that school just as much as I do the other one. If you would read any of my post concerning the boys basketball team I have never bashed them and always wished them nothing but good luck. I have done nothing but praise the girls team and their players. I make one negative comment, which didn't include any coaches names or schools, and make a opioninated suggestion and the world becomes "halfstep haters". I have nothing but love for the kids of this county and city. I have always treated everyone at that school with nothing but up most respect. Unlike what just happened to me in another post. :confused:

[BUBBA]

I think the schools need to go back to teachers and school staff being coaches instead of every john doe that just walked off the street.When did it change?Do they even background check to see if potential basketball coaches have basketball experience whether it be playing or coaching somewhere else?

[brokencard]

I think the schools need to go back to teachers and school staff being coaches instead of every john doe that just walked off the street.When did it change?Do they even background check to see if potential basketball coaches have basketball experience whether it be playing or coaching somewhere else?

Well BUBBA, in a perfect world that would be fine and dandy, but guess what? We don't live in a perfect world! The teachers are so overloaded academically right now that it makes it almost impossible to take on anything else. Then if you tried to find a teacher that has coaching/playing experience that narrows the candidates down even more. Then you could go to school staff but very few schools have a lot of staff besides their teachers( oh yeah let's not forget the experience factor).I only agree with you on one thing. It shouldn't be just any John Doe that walks in off the street. I think that if it could not be a teacher or staff member, that the person should at least have children within the school system.I also have to give credit to the school system for one thing, they do at least do the right type of background check,A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK!!!!:Clap:

[cardsfan]

Everybody has gotten a little off course here. Some people on here want to try to expose other people and tell them to take their kids to another school.Someone else tried and question everyones coaching ability and everyones knowledge of the game of basketball. Those people have some serious problems with their ego's. I was simply saying that as a coach you do not under any circumstances make kids sit the bench in practice.I don't care if you are playing for the championship!! The coach at WR maybe a great person but,this does not change the truth. It really does not matter in this county what you do as long as you win and win often. I just wonder if those people whos children were getting to play just about every minute of every game had to sit the bench would still be on here saying thats the way the game is played? I say they would be on here complaining and probably be in the principals office more than the school bully!!! :big grin:

[brokencard]

Everybody has gotten a little off course here. Some people on here want to try to expose other people and tell them to take their kids to another school.Someone else tried and question everyones coaching ability and everyones knowledge of the game of basketball. Those people have some serious problems with their ego's. I was simply saying that as a coach you do not under any circumstances make kids sit the bench in practice.I don't care if you are playing for the championship!! The coach at WR maybe a great person but,this does not change the truth. It really does not matter in this county what you do as long as you win and win often. I just wonder if those people whos children were getting to play just about every minute of every game had to sit the bench would still be on here saying thats the way the game is played? I say they would be on here complaining and probably be in the principals office more than the school bully!!! :big grin:

I agree with you cardsfan.It shouldn't be about who can win the most games, not at this level anyway! The coaches should concentrate on teaching the fundamentals(to each and every player)not on how many games they can win. I heard Coach Starns on the radio the other night saying how these kids need to learn that life is not fair. Tough love may be alright at some levels, but I just don't agree with it in elementary school. Maybe the school system will change the rules within the JCEAA to make it as fair as possible for every child.
:rules: Bring back the love of the game!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChillyWilly]

Boy this thread is a real dandy. Now were stooping down to raking elementary school coaches over the coals. I bet these are some of the same Johnson County people that just cant figure out why Bill Mike has been able to kick your tails year in and year out. I dont like Bill Mike the person the first bit, but I would say that he would tell a bunch of you folks where you could go or what you could do with Little Freddy if you started this junk on him, and I guess in a way I have to respect him a little for that. I am really amused with some of the nuts that have posted on this one.

The way I have read this whole thread is that all of the kids that come out to play in Johnson County get a chance to play on a team somewhere because they do not cut players? Then when the final season tounament comes up when you are playing for all the marbles, then you are not supossed to play your best players, even after all of the kids on the team have played the whole year? I read into it that just because Freddy is a 6th grader that he should be playing overtop of a 5th grader named Tommy that might be better just for the only reason of that he is older and might be his last chance to play for his school? Someone please correct me if I am reading all of this wrong. What ever happened to earning what you work for? I have seen a lot of examples in the elementary level ( and older ages as well) where 5th grader Tommy has worked his tail off playing in the driveway all summer , fall and spring long and shot and shot and shot, and worked on his dribbling in the rain or the cold to try to become a better ball player because he loves to play while 6th grader Freddy sits in his room all year long playing video games, gets fat and out of shape and never picks a ball up until the season starts. And when Tommy just plains beats Freddy out from his hard work then mommy and daddy of Freddy blames it all on the coach, and it's all his fault. This is all just classic stuff. We are becoming socialistic more and more every day and this is just a classic example of how it all starts. Next thing you find Freddy one day trying to get that government check for doing nothing. It's being bread into our kids more and more every day.

I dont know this elementary coach any more from the man in the moon,but I do know that I would hate to have his job with the bunch of nutty parents that it sounds like he is having to deal with.

[The Guru]

I have been coaching in the elementary schools for a few years now and I don't think we ever have taken just one kid and tried to make them a superstar. And there have been a few that we could have and I don't ever remember any grade school coach doing that. I guess you would take a loss and play all your kids than to teach them about the sport. I don't think if you were the cheerleading coach you would let everyone cheer if that would cost you a title. I know for a fact that I worked with every kid no matter how good or bad they were and everyone got to play at the c team level and most at the b team level. I can't think of kids that did not get to play and then transfer across the creek and get to play. I can think of a few that they have persuaded to come across the creek, promise them the world and then they don't even get to play. Then they try to come back to the other side of the creek and they won't release them to play. So the point of that is they try to get as many as they can and then won't play them. :Thumbs: Give me an example of someone who did not get to play at the grade school level and get developed some where else. I don't think we will use that page out of Paintsville's book. So what do you consider the pee wee division in basketball, football, and baseball. I think the same rules apply to Jr. pro! What about buddy ball. Are you telling me that in Paintsville's leagues that no one is considered a superstar and promised the world? And that they don't watch to see who the next superstar at the high school level? I don't disagree with the programs that give a chance for these kids but you need to get some facts straight before you argue about something. So what you are saying is have a try out for the grade schools and keep only those who are good enough, cut those that are not, and only keep 10 or 11. That would really cure the problem until the parents come crashing down on you for cutting their kids. How will that allow a kid to develop if you cut them? I think some kids won't hit their full ability for a few years but most good coaches can tell if the have any talent. So the Jr. pro coaches don't try to win their games? I don't think so! I have watched a few of those games.

Now I am not done reading this thread, but I got here and decided I had to post....just can't help myself!
I have coached in Paintsville's Jr. Pro league(taking a first year team entirely from the draft, and developing them into back to back regular season and tourn. championships, and was the first team to ever do that!)(then I was banished from the league:lol: :ban: :wtf1: )
I have coached at the AAU level with great success, and yes we were just as good as the Dorton's and Virgies off which are now getting allt the talk as 8th graders and freshmen, E. Justice, the Bryants The kid at Pikeville, Daniel hHarmon maybe? Anyway I have also coached at the grade school level. And enjoyed success there as well! With the exception of Jr. Pro, I cut every team! And one year, I even had tryouts, and 1 kid that woulda started had measles and couldn't try out......cut him, another kid had broken his wrist but was the best player I would have when he got his cast off two weeks later, couldn't tryout, had to cut him! A third was a great talent that would have started at the post, he forgot to tell his parents about tryouts and missed them!!! I fielded a decent team that year but a problem I never had was having any parent come to me wanting their son to be put on the team!!! Know why? They knew I had set the rules and went by them!!! They all understood! Also, I had to cut some very fine players that just had not developed enuff yet, Not one of the kids resent anything I had done! Maybe some of the parents, but not the kids cause they knew I work with all, and play the best, but all get ample playing time! As a matter of fact, I have had several former players come to me and tell me that not only were they more successful when I coached them, but that they had fun playing then.
Am I tooting my own horn? Just a bit, but I am trying to show that cutting might be needed! Heck, I had 15 uniforms and 36 players trying out!!!
Now I could have put 36 players in unis, but when you dilute the talent of your team, your practices CAN'T be as productive. Cut, let the hurt heal, then watch them work their tails off to prove to you that they will make themselves better!!! It is very fulfilling!
Now,...I will read the rest of the thread!!!:thumb:

[The Guru]

Boy this thread is a real dandy. Now were stooping down to raking elementary school coaches over the coals. I bet these are some of the same Johnson County people that just cant figure out why Bill Mike has been able to kick your tails year in and year out. I dont like Bill Mike the person the first bit, but I would say that he would tell a bunch of you folks where you could go or what you could do with Little Freddy if you started this junk on him, and I guess in a way I have to respect him a little for that. I am really amused with some of the nuts that have posted on this one.

The way I have read this whole thread is that all of the kids that come out to play in Johnson County get a chance to play on a team somewhere because they do not cut players? Then when the final season tounament comes up when you are playing for all the marbles, then you are not supossed to play your best players, even after all of the kids on the team have played the whole year? I read into it that just because Freddy is a 6th grader that he should be playing overtop of a 5th grader named Tommy that might be better just for the only reason of that he is older and might be his last chance to play for his school? Someone please correct me if I am reading all of this wrong. What ever happened to earning what you work for? I have seen a lot of examples in the elementary level ( and older ages as well) where 5th grader Tommy has worked his tail off playing in the driveway all summer , fall and spring long and shot and shot and shot, and worked on his dribbling in the rain or the cold to try to become a better ball player because he loves to play while 6th grader Freddy sits in his room all year long playing video games, gets fat and out of shape and never picks a ball up until the season starts. And when Tommy just plains beats Freddy out from his hard work then mommy and daddy of Freddy blames it all on the coach, and it's all his fault. This is all just classic stuff. We are becoming socialistic more and more every day and this is just a classic example of how it all starts. Next thing you find Freddy one day trying to get that government check for doing nothing. It's being bread into our kids more and more every day.

I dont know this elementary coach any more from the man in the moon,but I do know that I would hate to have his job with the bunch of nutty parents that it sounds like he is having to deal with.

This is a great post!!! BTW, the only nutty ones I dealt with crossed the creek thank goodness!!:BigLaugh:

[brokencard]

cutting might be needed! Heck, I had 15 uniforms and 36 players trying out!!!
Now I could have put 36 players in unis, but when you dilute the talent of your team, your practices CAN'T be as productive. Cut, let the hurt heal, then watch them work their tails off to prove to you that they will make themselves better!!! It is very fulfilling!
Now,...I will read the rest of the thread!!!:thumb:

Okay Guru, I just had to respond. First of all, they weed the kids out the first couple of weeks of practice by working their guts out. I realize why they do that but I also know that they only put so many on the A, B, and C teams. They didn't put more on a team than they had uniforms for. There would be 5 or six players that would practice and 10 or 11 that would just sit in the bleachers. When you have one coach and 3 assistants how can you possibly explain kids having to sit during practice? They had enough manpower to be able to work with ALL of the kids not just the "talented" ones.How can these kids prove themselves from the bleachers? They are considered part of the team when they have to run suicides and participate in whatever type of punishment it may be that day, so why can they not play. If they stink it up, at least they will have earned their punishment.

[The Guru]

Okay Guru, I just had to respond. First of all, they weed the kids out the first couple of weeks of practice by working their guts out. I realize why they do that but I also know that they only put so many on the A, B, and C teams. They didn't put more on a team than they had uniforms for. There would be 5 or six players that would practice and 10 or 11 that would just sit in the bleachers. When you have one coach and 3 assistants how can you possibly explain kids having to sit during practice? They had enough manpower to be able to work with ALL of the kids not just the "talented" ones.How can these kids prove themselves from the bleachers? They are considered part of the team when they have to run suicides and participate in whatever type of punishment it may be that day, so why can they not play. If they stink it up, at least they will have earned their punishment.

I agree that if this is what happened, then it is a shame!
Every team I had, I had little or no help. I practiced my team hard and with a schedule! Every player has to get equal time in practice! It is the only way to develope a true team. 4 coaches should be able to handle any challenge in practice, trust me in that they are tons of thing to work on that don't even include a ball! Dive yor squad into stations and develope your team as a whole, and you will be successful!As matter of fact, I usually practiced for 2 or 3 weeks befor we ever worked on shooting! Defense, rebounding ball handling and passing are tons more important in practice! I guess that is what made my teams successful, develope a team that no matter who is on the floor at any time, they can handle the rock, pass and play D as well as rebound! Constant hustle! Then let another team that only has a few developed teammembers try and beat you!!

[The Guru]

BTW, I personally know all of these coaches, and cannot believe that they would be party to anything like this.

[halfstep]

BTW, I personally know all of these coaches, and cannot believe that they would be party to anything like this.

I agree Guru as do I know all these coaches. I mean why practice with only 5 or 6 kids. You can't teach an offense much without a defense to go against or vise versa!

[VoiceOfReason]

Let's break this down a little at a time.

If a 6th grader is good enough to make it on the A team at the beginning of the year , then they ought to be good enough to play in the county tournament. It should be absolutely unacceptable to let a sixth grader sit the bench when that may be their last opportunity to represent their school!!

First of all, just because a child is good enough to make it on the A team at the beginning of the year does not mean he is good enough to play on the A team. Being on the team does not guarantee an inherent right to play. Also, when another child is more talented than another child on the team...how would it be considered "acceptable" to make that child sit the bench just because another, less-talented child is older? I just love rational thinkers :graduate:.

I heard that a parent tried to have an altercation with one of the coaches, all I can say to that parent is that I sympathize with you.

That has to be one of the most outrageous quotes I have ever read. Let me get this straight...the parent tried to instigate an altergation with the coach and you have sympathy for the parent? First of all, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it is a felony to even touch a coach or referee. And, what happened to all of the talk of being an example to the players? How is a parent trying to have an altercation with the coach because his son was not getting to play being a good example?

It would also be good to keep in mind that when there are more than 10 players on a team and the team is scrimmaging in practice it is highly likely that someone will be sitting on the sidelines.

I too feel sorry for this coach and hope for his sake that those troublemaker parents were parents of children that will be moving on to the middle school next year.

Also, in terms of what type of job this coach did this season, I think that a second-place regular season finish and a third-place finish in the tournament is pretty good when one considers that this team was picked fifth in the preseason.

[cardsfan]

Let's break this down a little at a time.



First of all, just because a child is good enough to make it on the A team at the beginning of the year does not mean he is good enough to play on the A team. Being on the team does not guarantee an inherent right to play. Also, when another child is more talented than another child on the team...how would it be considered "acceptable" to make that child sit the bench just because another, less-talented child is older? I just love rational thinkers :graduate:.



That has to be one of the most outrageous quotes I have ever read. Let me get this straight...the parent tried to instigate an altergation with the coach and you have sympathy for the parent? First of all, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it is a felony to even touch a coach or referee. And, what happened to all of the talk of being an example to the players? How is a parent trying to have an altercation with the coach because his son was not getting to play being a good example?

It would also be good to keep in mind that when there are more than 10 players on a team and the team is scrimmaging in practice it is highly likely that someone will be sitting on the sidelines.

I too feel sorry for this coach and hope for his sake that those troublemaker parents were parents of children that will be moving on to the middle school next year.

Also, in terms of what type of job this coach did this season, I think that a second-place regular season finish and a third-place finish in the tournament is pretty good when one considers that this team was picked fifth in the preseason.

I might be out on a limb here but I think what brokencard was saying that it is hard on a childs parent to watch their children sit the bench all the time.The parent is going to harbor hard feelings toward who he or she thinks is not being fair to their child.As for the more talented players getting to play no one said they should not. Everyone is simply stating that every child deserves a chance to play.If you have more than ten players on a team someone is going to have to stand on the sidelines or sit in the bleachers till it's their turn.I guess the parents got tired of waiting so long for their turn to come up!It's funny the way you throw the rankings for the preseason in your post and mention where they were seated in the county tournament.I don't think anybody cares where they were picked to finish and where they were seated!!!I think they are more concerned about the right things and that being every child should get to participate not only at practice but in the games too.I hope for the kids sake they are moving on to the middle school so they will not have to play for that coach again!!! Your post is pretty :lame: !!!!

[brokencard]

Being on the team does not guarantee an inherent right to play.
Let me get this straight...the parent tried to instigate an altergation with the coach and you have sympathy for the parent?
It would also be good to keep in mind that when there are more than 10 players on a team and the team is scrimmaging in practice it is highly likely that someone will be sitting on the sidelines.

I too feel sorry for this coach and hope for his sake that those troublemaker parents were parents of children that will be moving on to the middle school next year.

Also, in terms of what type of job this coach did this season, I think that a second-place regular season finish and a third-place finish in the tournament is pretty good when one considers that this team was picked fifth in the preseason.

Okay VoiceOfReason, let's break this down since you seem to think I am so slow! Being on a TEAM should absolutely give them an inherent right to play! That's suppose to be why it is called a TEAM.Apparently you must not have children and if you do I would hate to think that you as a parent would not be willing to go to bat for your child. Most parents would do whatever it takes to ensure their child's happiness. I did not say that I would have jumped the coach , but he would have heard from me. Most of those parents have been patient with the coach and held their tongues throughout the season, hoping that their children would get a fair shake , but now that the season is over they have every right to voice their complaints.
Since you know so much about the practices enlighten me about why 5 or 6 get to participate and the rest do not. By the way I am glad to say that most of the parents will be returning next year to keep the coach on his toes.It really doesn't matter what they were picked in the preseason it wouldn't have even mattered if they finished last, it does matter however that the children are unhappy with the coach. They joined the team to play ball. If the coach had no intention of letting all of the kids play, then he should have just made them waterboys. Since you know so much about the practices I just have one more ? several of the kids have said that they have been cursed at during practices. Just wondering if you can confirm this, or are all the kids lying?

[VoiceOfReason]

I might be out on a limb here but I think what brokencard was saying that it is hard on a childs parent to watch their children sit the bench all the time.The parent is going to harbor hard feelings toward who he or she thinks is not being fair to their child.As for the more talented players getting to play no one said they should not. Everyone is simply stating that every child deserves a chance to play.If you have more than ten players on a team someone is going to have to stand on the sidelines or sit in the bleachers till it's their turn.I guess the parents got tired of waiting so long for their turn to come up!It's funny the way you throw the rankings for the preseason in your post and mention where they were seated in the county tournament.I don't think anybody cares where they were picked to finish and where they were seated!!!I think they are more concerned about the right things and that being every child should get to participate not only at practice but in the games too.I hope for the kids sake they are moving on to the middle school so they will not have to play for that coach again!!! Your post is pretty :lame: !!!!

Every child does get to participate...that is what B and C teams are for. When it comes to every child haveing a chance to play...you are 100% correct...they should...and they do...I don't know how this coach does things but for the most part playing time is earned in practice. And, if your child is not good enough to be one of the 10 players on the floor during a practice scrimmage, he probably won't see much time during the game.

This is the problem with kids today and this mentality comes straight from the parents. Everyone thinks that things should be given to them without the child earning it. The "everyone should play" mentality is killing kids' ability to be accountable. If they don't get to play it is because the coach doesn't like them or they have the wrong last name or because the coach is an idiot. Noone ever tells the kid that maybe, just maybe, the kids that are getting to play are better than they are. No, we couldn't do that because that might hurt their prescious self esteem. Everyone wants to say all they need is encouragement to do better and don't ever tell them they failed. Encouragement is fine but failure is inevitible and the sooner they learn that the better off they will be. Sometimes instead of a pat on the back they need a kick in the butt. (not literally)

Many times kids attitudes during practice goes a long way in determining whether or not they play and said attitudes are often destroyed by parents at home telling them how they are getting the shaft by the coach when what the parent should be telling the child is that they need to work harder and take advantage of every opportunity afforded them and be ready when called on whether it be in practice or a game.

[preacherman]

i agree with brokencard and cardsfan im not saying the less talented kids should get to play more than the talented kids but working with the less talented kids show them that u care and have a little bit of faith in them and that some day they may be the more talented kids maybe even what everyone calls superstars u just never know what the future holds plus if there is foul language being used in front of these kids the coaches should be banned from the game and never allowed around the game again plus with 3 asst. coaches there should be no reason why every kid should not have a little one-on-one time to help them understand more fully of the game i happened to know the parents of one child and when the parents asked that he not sit the bench during practice , not playing time just practice , they were treated like they were asking for something unacceptable and even then they stil backed there team and went to games and made there child go when he was ready to quit waiting for the chance that he might get put on the floor so what is a parent to do just let their child be ran over or go to bat for them it was handled in the right way but a child walked away with low self esteam and no self confidence and stated he was not good enough to coach this is sad that a child should feel this way when all he wants to do is have fun at something he likes :coach:

[BUBBA]

Well I don't have a dog in this fight but it seems to me that these same parents who are mad because their kid doesn't play would be mad if their child was good and had to sit out because a coach put in a less talented player so either way these same people would always be complaining about something.Find something your child is good at and he will love that because he is good at it and develop that talent to its fullest.

[brokencard]

Every child does get to participate...that is what B and C teams are for. When it comes to every child haveing a chance to play...you are 100% correct...they should...and they do...I don't know how this coach does things but for the most part playing time is earned in practice. And, if your child is not good enough to be one of the 10 players on the floor during a practice scrimmage, he probably won't see much time during the game.

This is the problem with kids today and this mentality comes straight from the parents. Everyone thinks that things should be given to them without the child earning it. The "everyone should play" mentality is killing kids' ability to be accountable. If they don't get to play it is because the coach doesn't like them or they have the wrong last name or because the coach is an idiot. Noone ever tells the kid that maybe, just maybe, the kids that are getting to play are better than they are. No, we couldn't do that because that might hurt their prescious self esteem. Everyone wants to say all they need is encouragement to do better and don't ever tell them they failed. Encouragement is fine but failure is inevitible and the sooner they learn that the better off they will be. Sometimes instead of a pat on the back they need a kick in the butt. (not literally)

Many times kids attitudes during practice goes a long way in determining whether or not they play and said attitudes are often destroyed by parents at home telling them how they are getting the shaft by the coach when what the parent should be telling the child is that they need to work harder and take advantage of every opportunity afforded them and be ready when called on whether it be in practice or a game.

What a big selfish JERK you are!!! It is apparent you have no concept about coaching.If you have kids on a team that you know are not good enough to play in a game type setting you do not under any circumstance tell them they are not good enough.You should observe what they are doing wrong and work with them to improve their play.I know one can't devote all their time to this ,but a child at this age needs to be dealt with delicately and their self esteem doesn't need to be destroyed!!! Voice of reason if you are a part of the coaching staff at WR Castle you should be ashamed of yourself.I wonder how any of the parents can stand to let their children be around you!! I think they ought to give you a kick in the butt and send you down the road counting mailboxes!:bike:

[preacherman]

This is the problem with kids today and this mentality comes straight from the parents. Everyone thinks that things should be given to them without the child earning it. The "everyone should play" mentality is killing kids' ability to be accountable. If they don't get to play it is because the coach doesn't like them or they have the wrong last name or because the coach is an idiot. Noone ever tells the kid that maybe, just maybe, the kids that are getting to play are better than they are. No, we couldn't do that because that might hurt their prescious self esteem. Everyone wants to say all they need is encouragement to do better and don't ever tell them they failed. Encouragement is fine but failure is inevitible and the sooner they learn that the better off they will be. Sometimes instead of a pat on the back they need a kick in the butt. (not literally)

I would like to know how many times you told your child he was a failure.I can bet that if it was very many times then he has an attitude like you.The problem with kids today is they think they can look up to their coaches and asst.A child should not have to earn practice time.I don't care who you are or who your kid is you can't say and make anyone believe that a child has to earn his practice.That is what coaches are for.Practicing and teaching the game if a kid is on your team you have to coach and teach the game to that kid.It isn't pick and choose practice.If they all made the team they all should practice.The only failure in this whole situation is that a parent somewhere led a child to believe that basketball would be fun and satisfying and in all honesty just put that child in a room with a person like you.If failure is inevitable then what is the point in trying.

[ChillyWilly]

Preacherman,cardsfan, and brokenrecord...er fan, I will say that I can't find 3 more perfect examples of the type of mentality that I referred to in my post. Thank you for making my case a little easier for all to understand.

Oh BTW, I hear it's sign up day for all those government checks tomorrow.

[cardsfan]

Oh the great VoiceOfReason you must have been so deprived of love as a child. Do you need a hug? :Sad04: We have been trying to tell you how the coach does, but you just don't seem to understand.You keep contradicting what you are saying. First you say that everyone shouldn't get to play then you say they should. Then you say they have to earn their playing time in practice ,but what you don't seem to understand is that you can't earn playing time from the bench. I hate to burst your bubble ,but most of the time kids do get to play because of their last name, who they know, or because their parents stay at the practices to ensure that they do get to play. I agree with brokencard, you are a big JERK!!!!!! I hope that you are not a teacher, coach, or for that matter a parent! Kids get disappointed enough in life without adults telling them that they are not good enough! Ever heard of verbal abuse?!!!! You know when a disturbed child goes to a school to shoot it up, it is the people like you that have always put them down that they look for first. You really might need to get some counseling or something!

[brokencard]

Preacherman,cardsfan, and brokenrecord...er fan, I will say that I can't find 3 more perfect examples of the type of mentality that I referred to in my post. Thank you for making my case a little easier for all to understand.

Oh BTW, I hear it's sign up day for all those government checks tomorrow.

You must be one of the coaches that just can't take criticism! I guess after you lose your coaching job maybe you can sign up for one of those government checks. :lol:

[preacherman]

well chiily willy i guess u will be the first person in line since u know all about goverment checks and things of that nature i would almost say u are one of those people who go down to the school and make sure your kid gets to do everything my kids on the other hand dont have a special name and they work hard in everything they do im just curious do u know the real situation going on in the schools i think coaches should be equal to every player and not to just a few i believe every kids that goes out for a sport does it to have fun and enjoy being a kid and its people like u that take the fun out of it for the kids after all this is supposed to be just for the kids and not adults glory and as for bill mike he is a good coach but i do think he gets carried away with some of the things he does but that is another story so please get your facts straight before you reply to letters on this thread thanks and have a good life and god bless!!!:Clap:

[BUBBA]

OH MY GOD!!!!!What a sad world it is when we get our stress relief and daily entertainment from insulting perfect strangers rather than discuss the thread and what can be done about it:yesno:

[brokencard]

OH MY GOD!!!!!What a sad world it is when we get our stress relief and daily entertainment from insulting perfect strangers rather than discuss the thread and what can be done about it:yesno:

Who said we were perfect strangers?? ecret:

[BUBBA]

You are right, probably everyone on this thread has sat beside each other at a ballgame one time or another what would be funny would be if you all were from the same team:lmao:

[Eagle Eye]

Every child does get to participate...that is what B and C teams are for. When it comes to every child haveing a chance to play...you are 100% correct...they should...and they do...I don't know how this coach does things but for the most part playing time is earned in practice. And, if your child is not good enough to be one of the 10 players on the floor during a practice scrimmage, he probably won't see much time during the game.

This is the problem with kids today and this mentality comes straight from the parents. Everyone thinks that things should be given to them without the child earning it. The "everyone should play" mentality is killing kids' ability to be accountable. If they don't get to play it is because the coach doesn't like them or they have the wrong last name or because the coach is an idiot. Noone ever tells the kid that maybe, just maybe, the kids that are getting to play are better than they are. No, we couldn't do that because that might hurt their prescious self esteem. Everyone wants to say all they need is encouragement to do better and don't ever tell them they failed. Encouragement is fine but failure is inevitible and the sooner they learn that the better off they will be. Sometimes instead of a pat on the back they need a kick in the butt. (not literally)

Many times kids attitudes during practice goes a long way in determining whether or not they play and said attitudes are often destroyed by parents at home telling them how they are getting the shaft by the coach when what the parent should be telling the child is that they need to work harder and take advantage of every opportunity afforded them and be ready when called on whether it be in practice or a game.

:Thumbs: Well Said!!!