[Eagle Eye]

Tax dollars??? I always thought cheerleader parents had to pay for all of their uniforms, shoes, etc.

[SeniorCheer]

I think your quote was supposed to read "The competion squad came around for those NOT wanting to cheer games but cheer in competions." So why are they cheering at the District Games?

SO your point is way off. Competions Squad was formed for competions such as qualifying and going to nationals. Not, cheer ballgames. Also as for the coach taking out his best players and replacing them for a district game, Your right! He would play the players that have been playing all season! Also as for using your "BEST" cheerleaders, you had 17 quit the competion squad and a few were replaced. NOT to offend anyone, but, how can you say that they are the "best", when that many original girls quit. Also how can you say that there is NOT a problem when that many quit.

Also BOTH don't get to cheer a Paintsville & JCHS Boys Varsity Game! I am sorry but there is a problem when that many champions come over from JCMS and they can't put together a squad that will stay together and dominate like they did over there! And the problem is at the top.:coach:

:Cheerlead

:omg: You need to get over yourself and grow up. Some of the cheerleaders "freshman" parents are just upset because their "CHAMPION" daughters couldn't take the heat of Ms.Sturgills coaching and they quit! You cannot want Ms.Sturgill to put a bunch of quitters out on the floor to be judged for districts...who knows they may decided to quit halfway though the game..

[Fuzzy5118]

You're right Title IX will not go for that one suggestion. I don't know diddly about tax dollars unless they're talking about, well, I don't know! Maybe they were on a rant and forgot to post it as a rant~LOL~ maybe it is the fact that the county does seem to run right to the squeakiest wheel whenever it squeaks or looks like a spoke or two is gonna fly off somewhere else~ I don't know, but like was suggested earlier, forget the competition squad. Pick (2) squads of equal talent and cheer both~(do not take girls who can not benefit the squad~ there's many other groups within the school where people can represent and contribute) alternating games in a fair and equal measure and allowing both to cheer competition. It seems to work for everyone else, why not Johnson County? It makes no difference to me what school it is, it works everywhere else and it gives twice as many girls a chance to shine + it gives the school twice the opportunity to be successful!

[halfstep]

:omg: You need to get over yourself and grow up. Some of the cheerleaders "freshman" parents are just upset because their "CHAMPION" daughters couldn't take the heat of Ms.Sturgills coaching and they quit! You cannot want Ms.Sturgill to put a bunch of quitters out on the floor to be judged for districts...who knows they may decided to quit halfway though the game..

What I wanted to accomplish has happened. Alot of other schools are starting to see what the girls at JCHS are facing.
What heat are you speaking of? What you meant was favortism. Yes, they did quit. BUT 17 QUIT! It is just like a marriage, why would you hang around when you are not appreciated and not treated fairly. Just because someone is a senior doesn't give them right to tell someone else what to do.
And why should I get over myself? I have said absolutely NOTHING about ME!
I have nothing against you or any girls on the squad, You girls should be one of the most dominating forces in the mountains. But, it is not happening and hasn't happened for years. Something needs to change. As for me not having anything against any of you girls, you should have nothing against any of the girls.

[halfstep]

Who says the best interests of the girls who cheer are not being met? One side of this situation has been represented in this thread. Most of what has been written is faulty information. The administrators at JCHS do care and have tried to give their students choices.

SNAKE first, THANK YOU! Eagl eye seems to need to do a little home work. I post on evry thing on here. Not, Just paintsville. If they will pull up my post they will see, SC,SF,JCHS,PHS,P-Burg,PRO,HUNTING,CHEER.
Also, FAULTY? OK if living in denial is how you choose. But, Good Luck at Florida. That is sincere. For you girls! It is not your fault what happens with the squad.:Cheerlead

[SnakE]

You're welcome!

[eagleclaw]

I've just finished reading this thread and felt I had an obligation to clear a few things up. First of all why did the competition squad come about? As stated before some of the girls want to just cheer games and not have to worry about putting in all the time required for competition, Many schools only have one squad that cheers boy's,girls,and competitions but, it is the philosophy of the JCHS administration that as many girls as possible should be allowed to participate.If there were only one squad many girls who wanted to cheer would not be able to.If there were two squads competing ,as in the past ,the girls would have no choice as is whether or not to compete.Also, the talent would be divided between two squads and the best "product"would not be on the floor.Title IX does not allow boys cheerleaders to be better than the girls or visa versa, so that is why the games are divided between the squads and there is no longer a boys or girls squad. At tryouts the girls could choose which squad they wanted to cheer for and if they wanted to be on the competition squad. 25 girls made the squad,but only 13 remain. I don't know why they quit, but they did quit. Also it was made clear at the beginning in the rules signed by both cheerleaders and parents that it was up to the coach to decide who cheers what game. If a girl has a higher tryout score and sticks out the 12+ hour per week practices shouldn't they be the ones allowed to cheer the districts and regionals.The competition squad cheered football playoffs and nothing was said. But of course this was before certain girls quit the competition squad. The cheer boosters spent a significant amount of money to have a routine choreographed for 25 girls and since these girls quit the routine had to be completely reworked. I don't think that was fair, but it just had to be dealt with. For any action you take you have to consider the consequences if the reason for quitting was justified or not ,sitting out the post season is one of them. I think that as parents we should be applauding rather than bashing the commitment that our school has for cheering .Ditto,for Ms Sturgill and Ms Green. They do an awesome job and deserve our support.

[eagleclaw]

I also wanted to clarify that the girls on the competion squad have cheered all basketball season on either the black or gold squad. The wording from some previous posts could possibly mislead one to believe that the girls on the competition squad have not cheered at the b-ball games all year and are coming in to replace the girls that have. I don't think that it s was worded to intentionally deceive,but I read it that way and just wanted to clear it up in case others had also.

[Eagle Eye]

Great post Eagleclaw!

[PvilleCheerAlum]

Well let me tell you, at Prestonsburg we have 12 cheerleaders. Those cheerleaders cheer for girls and boys, and do competitions. They are also competing in the district tournament for both squads, unless the girls and boys are to play the same night and then they are only getting judged for one or the other. These cheerleaders are also going to be the ones going to KAPOS. They have worked together all year long and worked very hard and their coach isn't going to sit anyone out, for any reason!

i applaude that. Cheering for everything and then competing for themselves is very hard to do. pikeville does the same thing. we have one varsity squad and they cheer boys basketball, football and compete. johnson central is lucky that they have enough girls interested in cheerleading to be able to have 3 squads.

but according to KAPOS rules the squad that competes at KAPOS State at large has to have cheered a certain number of KHSAA games in order to compete. just wanted to throw that out there.

[cheergirl]

i applaude that. Cheering for everything and then competing for themselves is very hard to do. pikeville does the same thing. we have one varsity squad and they cheer boys basketball, football and compete. johnson central is lucky that they have enough girls interested in cheerleading to be able to have 3 squads.

but according to KAPOS rules the squad that competes at KAPOS State at large has to have cheered a certain number of KHSAA games in order to compete. just wanted to throw that out there.

FYI-All girls on the competition squad have cheered KHSAA games all season. The competition squad is not a team made up of girls that just compete. They have been on the black or gold squads all year long.

EagleClaw--Great post. Thanks! :-)

Halfstep--One faulty piece of info I was referring to is the fact that the gold squad cheered the Paintsville Boys away game. The black squad will be cheering the Paintsville Boys game at home while the gold squad will be cheering the girls game. This takes place on February 17th. Hope to see you there.

[cheergirl]

It seems to work for everyone else, why not Johnson County?

Fuzzy, Variety is the spice of life. JCHS tried something different this year. Nothing wrong with that. Just because something works for someone else doesn't mean it is right for all.

The threads that have been written here are representative of a very small few. After tryouts, there were 16 girls from the black squad and 9 girls from the gold squad on the competition team. 8 girls from the gold squad quit this team,,,,,,3 completely quit cheering and 5 continued to cheer for the Gold team. They did this because they had a choice and decided that they didn't want to commit to the amount of time required to practice for competition, not because Ms Sturgill had done anything to them to cause them to quit. They are perfectly happy with their decision. They were able to cheer for their teams and not have to compete. Contrary to information on this web-site, the gold squad has not practiced every day. Usually, they practice before the games that they cheer.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I repect that right that you have. I hope that before those opinions are formed though, that all sides of the situation have been considered.
:-)

[halfstep]

johnson central is lucky that they have enough girls interested in cheerleading to be able to have 3 squads.

but according to KAPOS rules the squad that competes at KAPOS State at large has to have cheered a certain number of KHSAA games in order to compete. just wanted to throw that out there.[/QUOTE]

Nice post by the way Eagle claw. I would like to make a comment about what is highlighted. With this beeing so, why not add the competion squad to the game cheering rotation through out the year? Since they all cheer on both squads anyway. Then come Districts and Regionals just continue to allow your Black and Gold squads to cheer. By doing this you leave out no one. And all the girls get the great honor of cheer during these games and none get left out and feel that that aren't good enough to do this. Not saying that all do feel this way, but it just seems like the fair thing to do.
NOW, I have noticed that this has attracted alot of new members (Your welcome BGR. LOL.) getting into the conversation. A lot seem to be possible cheerleaders at JCHS. In NO way have I meant to hurt any of you girl's feelings. This was just meant to get attention to the matter and see what everyone else thought. If I hurt any JCHS cheerleaders feelings, I AM SORRY. I know that you girls work very hard every day and I wish nothing but the best for you all. I just know what all of you girls are capable of and I would love to see it happen, but fairly and the right way. I taking back anything I said though. Because at NO time have I ever mentioned a kids name and I will not mention a kids name. This was all directed at the ones who need to wake up and look into some of these matters and apparently I am not the only one who sees this.:loveya:

[PvilleCheerAlum]

[QUOTE="cheergirl"]FYI-All girls on the competition squad have cheered KHSAA games all season. The competition squad is not a team made up of girls that just compete. They have been on the black or gold squads all year long.[ QUOTE]

didnt mean to push any buttons. from what i read, it was my understanding that there were 2 game squads and a strictly competition only squad. my mistake

[halfstep]

[QUOTE="cheergirl"]FYI-All girls on the competition squad have cheered KHSAA games all season. The competition squad is not a team made up of girls that just compete. They have been on the black or gold squads all year long.[ QUOTE]

didnt mean to push any buttons. from what i read, it was my understanding that there were 2 game squads and a strictly competition only squad. my mistake

Their eally is only two squads which cheer all year long and that is the Black and the Gold Squads. The competion squad is made up from All the girls on Black and like one girl on Gold. They were put together for competions NOT games. They get their KAPOS cheering in while cheering for the other squads. Do they not?

This is what I am saying. These two squads cheer all year long. So why Not come Districts and maybe Regionals allow them to continue the rotation instead of sitting out almost all of the Gold Squad and like only three of the Black squad girls and allowing the Competion Squad to take their places? Makes no sense. And only certain ones get to cheer tounaments.

[cheergirl]

[QUOTE="PvilleCheerAlum"]

Their eally is only two squads which cheer all year long and that is the Black and the Gold Squads. The competion squad is made up from All the girls on Black and like one girl on Gold. They were put together for competions NOT games. They get their KAPOS cheering in while cheering for the other squads. Do they not?

This is what I am saying. These two squads cheer all year long. So why Not come Districts and maybe Regionals allow them to continue the rotation instead of sitting out almost all of the Gold Squad and like only three of the Black squad girls and allowing the Competion Squad to take their places? Makes no sense. And only certain ones get to cheer tounaments.

The girls knew before tryouts how the game situation would be. They were given rules and regulations that had to be signed by the participant and their parent before trying out. This set up was not a surprise to anyone and it seems to me the only ones complaining about it are the ones that CHOSE TO QUIT. Had they not quit, they would also be cheering the tournament games. The bottom line is,,,,,,,with over 40 girls cheering,,,,there is just not room enough on the sidelines for all to cheer. During state tournament, there are actually only 16 girls allowed to be on the floor,,,,,,so sitting out participants is not a new thing and certainly didn't begin at JCHS.

[halfstep]

[QUOTE="halfstep"]

The girls knew before tryouts how the game situation would be. They were given rules and regulations that had to be signed by the participant and their parent before trying out. This set up was not a surprise to anyone and it seems to me the only ones complaining about it are the ones that CHOSE TO QUIT. Had they not quit, they would also be cheering the tournament games. The bottom line is,,,,,,,with over 40 girls cheering,,,,there is just not room enough on the sidelines for all to cheer. During state tournament, there are actually only 16 girls allowed to be on the floor,,,,,,so sitting out participants is not a new thing and certainly didn't begin at JCHS.

If they signed this as you say they did, then so be it. I know that this title 9 deal has really messed with the way things used to be. When you had a girls varsity, boys varsity, JV and freshman squad.
I have never meant to hurt anyones feelings or cause turmoil amongst the squad. I have never mentioned any girls names what so ever. But, it just seems that maybe a few things need to change. I know alot of the girls who quit and it is not because they are quitters. They felt that they were being treated unfairly. And everyone keeps refering to the freshmen. The freshmen girls aren't the only ones to quit. Am I not right? You had quite of few sophamores, juniors and a senior or two quit also didn't you? I am not for sure on the senior, but I m sure on the other ones. Like I said earlier. I hope nothing but the best for the girls, because iknow that they work their rears off every day prepping for these things. I just can't understand also why so much good talent just all of a sudden desides to quit. I guess I never will.

[Eagle Eye]

SNAKE first, THANK YOU! Eagl eye seems to need to do a little home work. I post on evry thing on here. Not, Just paintsville. If they will pull up my post they will see, SC,SF,JCHS,PHS,P-Burg,PRO,HUNTING,CHEER.
Also, FAULTY? OK if living in denial is how you choose. But, Good Luck at Florida. That is sincere. For you girls! It is not your fault what happens with the squad.:Cheerlead

By the way I did do my homework and you do post on other sites but you have not bashed a school, administration, and coaches like you did on here. I know you might have interest in both schools but I can't stand a parent that bashes a school because their kid is not getting what they want. Have you ever tried to work things out with the coach or administration before bashing out? Maybe you have...I don't know, but getting on a site like this and speaking out like you have leaves you to all kinds of criticism from others who support their school and administration 100%. Our school is not perfect, but it is the best in this county HANDS DOWN. Our new superintendent, which I admire greatly, is the best thing that happenend to this school system in a loooonnnnggg time. So, having an opinion is great, but don't expect the rest of us not to put our 2 cents in.

[halfstep]

By the way I did do my homework and you do post on other sites but you have not bashed a school, administration, and coaches like you did on here. I know you might have interest in both schools but I can't stand a parent that bashes a school because their kid is not getting what they want. Have you ever tried to work things out with the coach or administration before bashing out? Maybe you have...I don't know, but getting on a site like this and speaking out like you have leaves you to all kinds of criticism from others who support their school and administration 100%. Our school is not perfect, but it is the best in this county HANDS DOWN. Our new superintendent, which I admire greatly, is the best thing that happenend to this school system in a loooonnnnggg time. So, having an opinion is great, but don't expect the rest of us not to put our 2 cents in.

I only gave my opinion on a certain program in the school. And both have been appraoched and nothing was ever replied to. "I will check into it and get back with you" was what was told. I have never said that any school is perfect. And when I posted, I said let me hear it. What did everones else think. I never asked for personal attacks and people to start calling out family memebers like some people did. I must say it has been fun debating with you though. You keep your cool and do actually post with logic and reason. But, what's said is said and it can't be changed. And as they say "opinions are like @#$holes, everyone has one". So with every thing said and done, See you at the next game.

[The Guru]

By the way I did do my homework and you do post on other sites but you have not bashed a school, administration, and coaches like you did on here. I know you might have interest in both schools but I can't stand a parent that bashes a school because their kid is not getting what they want. Have you ever tried to work things out with the coach or administration before bashing out? Maybe you have...I don't know, but getting on a site like this and speaking out like you have leaves you to all kinds of criticism from others who support their school and administration 100%. Our school is not perfect, but it is the best in this county HANDS DOWN. Our new superintendent, which I admire greatly, is the best thing that happenend to this school system in a loooonnnnggg time. So, having an opinion is great, but don't expect the rest of us not to put our 2 cents in.

This may be your opinion and that is fine. But just so you know, Not everyone feels the same! You would have trouble trying to prove it! Actually, You can't!
I respect your school and love nearly all that work and attend there, but I wouldn't put either JC or PHS as the best school system in the county!!
Neither are FAR from perfect!

[The Guru]

Some on here have really jumped halfstep for having opinons. You act as if you know him, heck, maybe you do, I don't, but anyway, IMO, when people get really ticked by others opinions, it is usually cause they hit a little to close to the truth.
Halfstep has made plenty of valid posts on here, and a few that I thought he must be drinking!! lol But he/she is entitled to their own opinion, and only the ones that feel personally attacked should get on here and halfstep bash!
Now....go on with your posts, cause I am lovin this SH...stuff!

[jchsrulz]

Quote from halfstep: I know that this title 9 deal has really messed with the way things used to be. When you had a girls varsity, boys varsity, JV and freshman squad.

I think that it would be a great idea to go back to the good old days. Title IX won't let us though. But I think the freshmen squad is a good idea! Let's make varsity squads grades 10-12, and let freshmen cheer the JV games. It seems that the biggest problem is the freshmen girls coming in to their high school careers struggle with being the big girls on campus, to learning a whole new system. I'm not saying they are not physically or mentally ready, but life teaches us that experience is the fuel for success!

[halfstep]

Some on here have really jumped halfstep for having opinons. You act as if you know him, heck, maybe you do, I don't, but anyway, IMO, when people get really ticked by others opinions, it is usually cause they hit a little to close to the truth.
Halfstep has made plenty of valid posts on here, and a few that I thought he must be drinking!! lol But he/she is entitled to their own opinion, and only the ones that feel personally attacked should get on here and halfstep bash!
Now....go on with your posts, cause I am lovin this SH...stuff!

Thanks Guru! You are right, I know a few times I get up the next morning and have to go to the screen wnadering what the heck I wrote. There has been a few times were I was like "OH MY GOD" "I Said That" LOL. Yes drinking and diving is very dangerous. And as I have found out, So is drinking and typing! LOL!:beer:

I must say though, Thanks to me Fuzzy and a couple other posters on here. Cheerleaders have been noticed alot more on here. HECK BGR even gave them their own FORUM now!!:Cheerlead

It's about time they get noticed. Some of us do see the work that these girls and guys do out there and they do deserve some props. BUT, remember where there is praise also comes some Booos!
So keep up the hard work guys and keep doing what you love!
I know I will!! LOL!!:beerwez:

[EKYMAMA]

Well let me tell you, at Prestonsburg we have 12 cheerleaders. Those cheerleaders cheer for girls and boys, and do competitions. They are also competing in the district tournament for both squads, unless the girls and boys are to play the same night and then they are only getting judged for one or the other. These cheerleaders are also going to be the ones going to KAPOS. They have worked together all year long and worked very hard and their coach isn't going to sit anyone out, for any reason!

I have been listening all the stuff going on lately,your right! why can,t they cheer for both! I have seen JCHS cheer and they are loosing a lot of great talent that is not on the competition squad. look like they could cheer together as one! I agree they work there tails off. Something should be done! From what I`ve gathered you need money to get what you want. Nice chatting with you!

[EKYMAMA]

like I said jchs competition squad doesn`t have nothing! My opinion, is to bring back a few of the girls you left out! When going to Florida you will fall on your face! I will be there to wittness this,I couldn`t miss this for nothing! Good luck to the other squads!!!!

[halfstep]

like I said jchs competition squad doesn`t have nothing! My opinion, is to bring back a few of the girls you left out! When going to Florida you will fall on your face! I will be there to wittness this,I couldn`t miss this for nothing! Good luck to the other squads!!!!

Why would you say something like this? You need to wish all the squads nothing but luck. It is not the girls fault for what is going on at that school. They all work the tails off and are trying to do their best. The ones that quit shouldn't be allowed back on the squad, cause they quit. If they want to try out next season that is fine. Because I do believe that everyone does deserve a second chance, because we all and I mean ALL do make mistakes. Good Luck girls in Florida!:Cheerlead

[BigEagle]

wow, you guys really don't know the whole truth about JC Cheerleading. Half step is just a mad dad, because these girls didn't want to work hard to be there. Freshmen has always had to prove themselves. That's just the way it has been throughout time. I do agree that the girls that quit were talented. But you still have to log the time. It is hard to go from Middle School dominance to being a Freshman. Whole different game, we all know that.

[EKYMAMA]

wow, you guys really don't know the whole truth about JC Cheerleading. Half step is just a mad dad, because these girls didn't want to work hard to be there. Freshmen has always had to prove themselves. That's just the way it has been throughout time. I do agree that the girls that quit were talented. But you still have to log the time. It is hard to go from Middle School dominance to being a Freshman. Whole different game, we all know that.

I`ve been around the system for a long time, from what I have seen the Freshman worked harder then anyone esle. They wasnt`t late for practice or games. seems like the others girls were either late,talking on cell phones and t.alking to boyfriends. If you were there you would no what I was talking about.I`m there after scool everyday I no alot that stays hidden from alot of people. You should hang around some time or maybe you do!

[Eagle Eye]

I`ve been around the system for a long time, from what I have seen the Freshman worked harder then anyone esle. They wasnt`t late for practice or games. seems like the others girls were either late,talking on cell phones and t.alking to boyfriends. If you were there you would no what I was talking about.I`m there after scool everyday I no alot that stays hidden from alot of people. You should hang around some time or maybe you do!

Maybe instead of hanging around the gym you should go back to school and learn how to spell and use correct grammer. The bottom line is some of these girls QUIT. Deal with it.

By the way... BEST OF LUCK JCHS CHEERLEADERS!! You guys have overcome a lot this year and made a lot of us proud.

[EKYMAMA]

Maybe instead of hanging around the gym you should go back to school and learn how to spell and use correct grammer. The bottom line is some of these girls QUIT. Deal with it.

By the way... BEST OF LUCK JCHS CHEERLEADERS!! You guys have overcome a lot this year and made a lot of us proud.

Right off the bat let`s get the truth straight. For those saying the freshman left the JCHS squad because they didn`t want to work hard, there are still 3 freshman on the comp. that you generalize in using the term freshman. For the exact statistics, 17 of the original 25 girls chosen for the comp. squad quit. Out of these 17 only 4 were freshman. If you can do the math,that left 13 girls that were not freshman. next, lets look at the facts that these freshman,were coached by Neva Bentley and everyone knows there is know tougher coach than her. From what I`ve heard she`s been undeafeated for the last two years! Which included these freshman girls,so evidently hard work was not a problem. So let`s get facts straight that Sturgills practices are weak and unorganized not to mention run by a few upper classman. So in closing, let me say, beware of false information trying to cover up the down fall of the squad.