[Hoot Gibson]

Your point? Senior officials from where? The Cincinnati office? Does any of this make it an "administration" thing? Nixon was caught on tape using the IRS for political gain, let us know when this happens in this case. You never did answer my question. Did you bitch when the IRS was doing the same exact thing in 2004-2006, to the NAACP? Was it an "administration" thing back then? Obama has stated "heads should roll". What more can he do?

Obama's words have been proven to be meaningless. This story about the IRS abuses being confined to Ohio is already unravelling. Is there no Obama lie that you are not willing to repeat?

IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

This administration is rotten to the core and it has been from day one.

[WideMiddle03]

Obama's words have been proven to be meaningless. This story about the IRS abuses being confined to Ohio is already unravelling. Is there no Obama lie that you are not willing to repeat?

IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups

This administration is rotten to the core and it has been from day one.

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[WideMiddle03]

uh-oh...whoops that sure wasn't supposed to get out was it

http://news.yahoo.com/irs-top-official-f...40572.html

[Hoot Gibson]

uh-oh...whoops that sure wasn't supposed to get out was it

http://news.yahoo.com/irs-top-official-f...40572.html

Too bad Hillary has already used the fake concussion ruse. The IRS Commissioner could have used a phony concussion excuse to explain away his lying to Congress. Mark Levin notified the Solicitor General in March 2012 and the targeting reportedly began in 2010.

[Wildcatk23]

What links this to the Obama administration.

The way I have understood is that the IRS is a independent agency.

[WideMiddle03]

What links this to the Obama administration.

The way I have understood is that the IRS is a independent agency.

there supposed 2 b independent but look at richard nixon da

[Wildcatk23]

You have no proof that Bush lied, all you have is an opinion. As far as you gladly admitting that you are wrong about anything...:biglmao:

Everyone knows he lied. He admitted there was no WMD.

Scandals was a everyday thing in the bush administration. I don't condone the Benghazi actions which caused Americans death.

But you guys defend and lie about the reasons we went to Iraq. Causing 1000s of deaths. Not 1 WMD was found.

Yellowcake forgery: Just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration presented evidence to the UN that Iraq was seeking material (yellowcake uranium) in Africa for making nuclear weapons. Though presented as true, it was later found to be not only dubious, but outright false.

2003 Invasion of Iraq depended on intelligence that Saddam Hussein was developing "weapons of mass destruction" (WMDs) meaning nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons for offensive use. As revealed by The (British) Downing Street memo "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy


Bush implemented a secrecy organization to ease drop on Americans which was later defined illegal. Scandal after scandal. Which was directly tied to bush. The deleting emails, people ge appointed resigning because of spending tax payers money on themselves.

[WideMiddle03]

Everyone knows he lied. He admitted there was no WMD.

Scandals was a everyday thing in the bush administration. I don't condone the Benghazi actions which caused Americans death.

But you guys defend and lie about the reasons we went to Iraq. Causing 1000s of deaths. Not 1 WMD was found.

Yellowcake forgery: Just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration presented evidence to the UN that Iraq was seeking material (yellowcake uranium) in Africa for making nuclear weapons. Though presented as true, it was later found to be not only dubious, but outright false.

2003 Invasion of Iraq depended on intelligence that Saddam Hussein was developing "weapons of mass destruction" (WMDs) meaning nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons for offensive use. As revealed by The (British) Downing Street memo "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy


Bush implemented a secrecy organization to ease drop on Americans which was later defined illegal. Scandal after scandal. Which was directly tied to bush. The deleting emails, people ge appointed resigning because of spending tax payers money on themselves.

proof ?

[Hoot Gibson]

What links this to the Obama administration.

The way I have understood is that the IRS is a independent agency.

The IRS the FBI, and other federal agencies are supposed to enforce the law in a non-partisan manner but they all fall under the Executive Branch of government, and answer to the president. The IRS is part of the Treasury Department. At least you are not under the same delusion as RV, who believes that the IRS is a private business. Have you ever heard anything so silly? :biglmao:

[Hoot Gibson]

Everyone knows he lied. He admitted there was no WMD.

Scandals was a everyday thing in the bush administration. I don't condone the Benghazi actions which caused Americans death.

But you guys defend and lie about the reasons we went to Iraq. Causing 1000s of deaths. Not 1 WMD was found.

Yellowcake forgery: Just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration presented evidence to the UN that Iraq was seeking material (yellowcake uranium) in Africa for making nuclear weapons. Though presented as true, it was later found to be not only dubious, but outright false.

2003 Invasion of Iraq depended on intelligence that Saddam Hussein was developing "weapons of mass destruction" (WMDs) meaning nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons for offensive use. As revealed by The (British) Downing Street memo "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy


Bush implemented a secrecy organization to ease drop on Americans which was later defined illegal. Scandal after scandal. Which was directly tied to bush. The deleting emails, people ge appointed resigning because of spending tax payers money on themselves.

Like I told RV, if this forum had real moderators, he could not get away with constantly trying to threadjack threads such as this one. Then, on cue, the very moderator I had in mind pops in to help derail the thread by jumping into the Bush filibuster himself. Well done, sir! :Clap:

[Wildcatk23]

proof ?

Bush said there was WMD, There wasnt. Hows that?

[TheRealVille]

proof ?

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press...?id=298775

[Wildcatk23]

Like I told RV, if this forum had real moderators, he could not get away with constantly trying to threadjack threads such as this one. Then, on cue, the very moderator I had in mind pops in to help derail the thread by jumping into the Bush filibuster himself. Well done, sir! :Clap:

Just dont respond to the post. Attack RV, ME, Anybody that doesnt agree with you

:notbad:

[Wildcatk23]

Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq
It was a systematic campaign to frighten the hell out of us about the threat of Hussein, and almost none of it was true.
June 26, 2003 |
"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
-- George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati.

There is a small somber box that appears in the New York Times every day. Titled simply "Killed in Iraq," it lists the names and military affiliations of those who most recently died on tour of duty. Wednesday's edition listed just one name: Orenthial J. Smith, age 21, of Allendale, South Carolina.

The young, late O.J. Smith was almost certainly named after the legendary running back, Orenthal J. Simpson, before that dashing American hero was charged for a double-murder. Now his namesake has died in far-off Mesopotamia in a noble mission to, as our president put it on March 19, "disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger."

Today, more than three months after Bush's stirring declaration of war and nearly two months since he declared victory, no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons have been found, nor any documentation of their existence, nor any sign they were deployed in the field.

The mainstream press, after an astonishing two years of cowardice, is belatedly drawing attention to the unconscionable level of administrative deception. They seem surprised to find that when it comes to Iraq, the Bush administration isn't prone to the occasional lie of expediency but, in fact, almost never told the truth.

What follows are just the most outrageous and significant of the dozens of outright lies uttered by Bush and his top officials over the past year in what amounts to a systematic campaign to scare the bejeezus out of everybody:

LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just a lie."

LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House already knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the CIA sent to check out the story is pissed: "They knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic, anonymously. "They [the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to make their case more strongly."

LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." -- Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the Press."

FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun the intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it suggested.

[Wildcatk23]

LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." -- President Bush, Oct. 7 .

FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied war planes.

LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States." -- President Bush, Oct. 7.

FACT: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000 miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to say "plane"?

LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established." -- President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.

FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces, there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.

LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets." -- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.

FACT: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive stockpile has been found, as previously reported on AlterNet the United States' own intelligence reports show that these stocks -- if they existed -- were well past their use-by date and therefore useless as weapon fodder.

LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to the press.

FACT: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west, south or north, somewhat or otherwise.

LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.

FACT: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But British and American experts -- including the State Department's intelligence wing in a report released this week -- have since declared this to be untrue. According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they were; facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British themselves.

[Wildcatk23]

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274/ten_...about_iraq


That was easy.

[TheRealVille]

Like I told RV, if this forum had real moderators, he could not get away with constantly trying to threadjack threads such as this one. Then, on cue, the very moderator I had in mind pops in to help derail the thread by jumping into the Bush filibuster himself. Well done, sir! :Clap:

When you make moderator, maybe you can change things. Maybe when you acknowledge the things on Bush, that you constantly want us to acknowledge on Obama, things will change. Blaming Obama on things while you refuse to hold Bush accountable, makes it easy to bleed one admin into the other in topics.

[Hoot Gibson]

Just dont respond to the post. Attack RV, ME, Anybody that doesnt agree with you

:notbad:

I have a better idea. Why don't you and RV start some Bush bashing threads, and let those of us who want to discuss current political events do so in threads on those topics. Is that not what a real moderator would want?

[Hoot Gibson]

When you make moderator, maybe you can change things. Maybe when you acknowledge the things on Bush, that you constantly want us to acknowledge on Obama, things will change.

You add nothing to political debates that we cannot read on the Obama campaign website, and Obama never stops campaigning. If you want to defend Obama's incompetence and his crooked minions, then please do so. Changing the subject is no defense. It is more akin to an admission of guilt.

[Wildcatk23]

I have a better idea. Why don't you and RV start some Bush bashing threads, and let those of us who want to discuss current political events do so in threads on those topics. Is that not what a real moderator would want?

Here ya go Hoot. Find something about Thread topics or Thread jacking and i will stop it.

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[TheRealVille]

You add nothing to political debates that we cannot read on the Obama campaign website, and Obama never stops campaigning. If you want to defend Obama's incompetence and his crooked minions, then please do so. Changing the subject is no defense. It is more akin to an admission of guilt.

Yet, when I, and now WC23, post proof of Bush's lies, you completely ignore the proof, and start your bashing.

[Wildcatk23]

Yet, when I, and now WC23, post proof of Bush's lies, you completely ignore the proof, and start your bashing.

They said show proof. We show proof.

YOU CANT DO THAT STAY ON TOPIC!!!!!

[Hoot Gibson]

Here ya go Hoot. Find something about Thread topics or Thread jacking and i will stop it.

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For starters, you might check out staff rule #3. You obviously do not like and disagree with threads that put Obama in a bad light. Spamming them with unrelated posts, which you have done, is interfering with the discussion. Do you really think that this is how the site owner wants you representing him?

A real moderator would know better.

[WideMiddle03]

Bush said there was WMD, There wasnt. Hows that?

its sad that i am trying 2 look stupid and it still dont beat u guys
is that all u got
that alternet site is OPINION
you and your boyfriend rv can't think for yourselfs :lmao:

[Hoot Gibson]

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274/ten_...about_iraq


That was easy.

Yeah, spamming is pretty easy. A trained monkey could cut and paste old Obama talking points.

[Wildcatk23]

For starters, you might check out staff rule #3. You obviously do not like and disagree with threads that put Obama in a bad light. Spamming them with unrelated posts, which you have done, is interfering with the discussion. Do you really think that this is how the site owner wants you representing him?

A real moderator would know better.

Yea . I know he does. Pretty good guy. Jealous of my grilling skills.

[TheRealVille]

its sad that i am trying 2 look stupid and it still dont beat u guys
is that all u got
that alternet site is OPINION
you and your boyfriend rv can't think for yourselfs :lmao:

I posted the Senate's report, and conclusion on Bush's lies. If you disagree, you need to take it up with them.

[Wildcatk23]

its sad that i am trying 2 look stupid and it still dont beat u guys
is that all u got
that alternet site is OPINION
you and your boyfriend rv can't think for yourselfs :lmao:

Ok let's try this again.

He said there was WMD. There wasn't.

Hopefully one of your accounts sees this.

[TheRealVille]

For starters, you might check out staff rule #3. You obviously do not like and disagree with threads that put Obama in a bad light. Spamming them with unrelated posts, which you have done, is interfering with the discussion. Do you really think that this is how the site owner wants you representing him?

A real moderator would know better.

I changed the topic, it was just a hypocrisy check for you guys, not really a topic change. I'm not staff. Until you acknowledge Bush's proven lies, how can we take you guys serious?

[Hoot Gibson]

Yea . I know he does. Pretty good guy. Jealous of my grilling skills.

I assumed that you know him. You obviously did not become a moderator on merit. Seriously, you should stop the spamming. Activity on this website has been declining and that kind of childish behavior is not helping matters. I have been spending more time on a competitor's website after they got rid of their subscription fees. There are others who have done the same.