[vector]

stats without a source or description of the sample population are worthless. Gay marriage has been placed on many ballots and lost in almost every case. That is why gay advocates have filed suits in federal court from coast to coast to overturn the will of the electorate.

the republicans will decide this just like roe vs wade and obamacare

[Hoot Gibson]

the republicans will decide this just like roe vs wade and obamacare

Sorry, vector, I don't speak gibberish. I don't think that Dragon Natural Speaking could untangle your words, but it couldn't hurt. nicker:

[vector]

Sorry, vector, I don't speak gibberish. I don't think that Dragon Natural Speaking could untangle your words, but it couldn't hurt. nicker:

you speak da :Clap:

[TheRealVille]

Stats without a source or description of the sample population are worthless. Gay marriage has been placed on many ballots and lost in almost every case. That is why gay advocates have filed suits in federal court from coast to coast to overturn the will of the electorate.

Watch how fast America is changing on social issues. Just in one decade there has been a 20% swing in whether or not Americans believe in gay marriage. The majority(58%, 81% for younger Americans, 18-30) of Americans now believe it is ok for gays to marry. This week, the Supreme court will be deciding two major cases on gay marriage. If they rule the way that it is expected to go, it will be a major, fast change in the marriage rules. This is just one of the social issues that are showing a changing America. If the conservative party doesn't want to die a slow death, they will have to evolve their views. It's that simple. People are tired of the "grumpy white man's club", and if you watch any news at all, you can't help but see that. To think otherwise, you are only kidding yourself, and hoping if you ignore it, it will go away.

For all your stats you pointed out, 2014 will be a major picture into how things are going for conservatives. We will know soon enough which one of was right.

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[Hoot Gibson]

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Gibberish seems to be contagious. Is this another case where you posted a statistic from a source that you are ashamed to provide? Democratic Underground? Huffington Post? DailyKos? Registered voters? Likely voters? American adults? American citizens? An unsupported statistic is meaningless, especially with your track record.

[TheRealVille]

Gibberish seems to be contagious. Is this another case where you posted a statistic from a source that you are ashamed to provide? Democratic Underground? Huffington Post? DailyKos? Registered voters? Likely voters? American adults? American citizens? An unsupported statistic is meaningless, especially with your track record.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...-abc-poll/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-...se_221.xml

[vector]

the republicans will decide this just like roe vs wade and obamacare

and let's not forget the 2000 election which your boy bush2 lost by 500,000
votes which you did not have a problem with

[Hoot Gibson]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...-abc-poll/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-...se_221.xml

As I suspected, the sample population was of "random" American adults, only 25% of whom identified themselves as Republicans. An unbiased sample of likely American voters would yield a much different result.

[Hoot Gibson]

and let's not forget the 2000 election which your boy bush2 lost by 500,000
votes which you did not have a problem with

more gibberish from RV's sidekick, or do you prefer the term "sock puppet?"

[TheRealVille]

As I suspected, the sample population was of "random" American adults, only 25% of whom identified themselves as Republicans. An unbiased sample of likely American voters would yield a much different result.

Which two classes take in more conservative voters?

Democrat
33%
Republican
25%
Independent
35%

[TheRealVille]

^How did the "likely voter" polls stack up against the "registered voter" polls in November 2012?

[TheRealVille]

Gibberish seems to be contagious. Is this another case where you posted a statistic from a source that you are ashamed to provide? Democratic Underground? Huffington Post? DailyKos? Registered voters? Likely voters? American adults? American citizens? An unsupported statistic is meaningless, especially with your track record.

Everybody on this site knows, if they would be honest, that I can "up my game", or "dumb it dow", depending on how big of an idiot I want to make you look.

[Hoot Gibson]

Everybody on this site knows, if they would be honest, that I can "up my game", or "dumb it dow", depending on how big of an idiot I want to make you look.

So, you have been dumbing it "dow" all these years? Now that is funny. Not quite as funny as your belief that everybody on this site knows that you are smarter than you seem, but funny nonetheless.

[Hoot Gibson]

^How did the "likely voter" polls stack up against the "registered voter" polls in November 2012?

The poll results that you posted did not even consist of "registered voters." In fact, it is unlikely that it consisted of only "Americans," as I doubt that the Washington Post cares whether illegal aliens are polled or not. I understand why you did not provide the source for your stat until it was requested multiple times. So does everybody else, your sidekick excepted. :biglmao:

[TheRealThing]

Costofwar doesn't agree with the new CBO figures, or others that are tallying it up.

That's the best you got? You totally avoided my question while at the same time rejecting my source. A source BTW that is widely accepted as an accurate 'running debt clock'. I saw nothing in your post to back up your claim that the wars have cost over 6 trillion so far. I mean, have you at least got a link?

Who is "others", far right sites again?

[TheRealVille]

The poll results that you posted did not even consist of "registered voters." In fact, it is unlikely that it consisted of only "Americans," as I doubt that the Washington Post cares whether illegal aliens are polled or not. I understand why you did not provide the source for your stat until it was requested multiple times. So does everybody else, your sidekick excepted. :biglmao:

:biglmao: Again, which two classes take in more conservatives?:biggrin:

(Among registered voters) Generally speaking, do you usually think of yourself as a...

Democrat
33%
Republican
25%
Independent
35%

Side note: I left off the n in down, lol. Is it that big of a deal to type too fast to catch a mistake?

[TheRealVille]

That's the best you got? You totally avoided my question while at the same time rejecting my source. A source BTW that is widely accepted as an accurate 'running debt clock'. I saw nothing in your post to back up your claim that the wars have cost over 6 trillion so far. I mean, have you at least got a link?

Who is "others", far right sites again?

You know who the CBO is, look it up for yourself. Make sure you find the updated number.

[Hoot Gibson]

:biglmao: Again, which two classes take in more conservatives?:biggrin:

(Among registered voters) Generally speaking, do you usually think of yourself as a...

Democrat
33%
Republican
25%
Independent
35%

Side note: I left off the n in down, lol. Is it that big of a deal to type too fast to catch a mistake?

The results given were for "random Americans." I already posted the stat for the percentage of Republicans who were polled. Why don't you "up your game" and try to understand the basis for stat that you posted? The poll was obviously biased and intended to show a bigger increase in support for gay marriage than actually exists. There is no doubt that liberals' campaign on behalf of deviant lifestyles in the media is having an impact, but it does not excuse the exaggeration shown by polls such as the one that you used.

[TheRealThing]

Independent means conservative. A conservative party is never going to rise until they get on board with social issues with liberals. The people of this country are changing their views on social issues, and it isn't a move to the right, it's a move left. Hence, the slow death of any conservative leaning party.

LOL, by whose definition? I know the liberal media is doing their best to make it seem like traditional American ideals are going in the toilet. I will give you that the dems are winning some big elections of late. The truth is that while the results of recent presidential elections seem like a validation of the liberal monsters who have presided over the butcher of over 55 million babies. Those results are wrongly attributed as support of the liberal agenda. The winning margin was bought and paid for with taxpayer dollars in the form of bribes and entitlements. The majority of America is still conservative. Naïve in the extreme, but conservative.

[TheRealVille]

The results given were for "random Americans." I already posted the stat for the percentage of Republicans who were polled. Why don't you "up your game" and try to understand the basis for stat that you posted? The poll was obviously biased and intended to show a bigger increase in support for gay marriage than actually exists. There is no doubt that liberals' campaign on behalf of deviant lifestyles in the media is having an impact, but it does not excuse the exaggeration shown by polls such as the one that you used.

You did see the "(Among registered voters)" part, right? And, you did see that it was Republican 25% Independent 35%, of which, most conservative people fall into, right?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-...FZmAnqumyw

[TheRealThing]

Watch how fast America is changing on social issues. Just in one decade there has been a 20% swing in whether or not Americans believe in gay marriage. The majority(58%, 81% for younger Americans, 18-30) of Americans now believe it is ok for gays to marry. This week, the Supreme court will be deciding two major cases on gay marriage. If they rule the way that it is expected to go, it will be a major, fast change in the marriage rules. This is just one of the social issues that are showing a changing America. If the conservative party doesn't want to die a slow death, they will have to evolve their views. It's that simple. People are tired of the "grumpy white man's club", and if you watch any news at all, you can't help but see that. To think otherwise, you are only kidding yourself, and hoping if you ignore it, it will go away.

For all your stats you pointed out, 2014 will be a major picture into how things are going for conservatives. We will know soon enough which one of was right.

The gay agenda owes every last achievement, advance and victory due to court actions. They sue and sue and keep on suing until they get an activist judge to give them what they want. Their certainly not winning elections among the people. Rather the courts are forcing acceptance by law. You know this, in one thread you claim the people are too stupid to make decisions about things like gay marriage by voting at the state level. And therefore, need to be ordered to embrace homosexuality, and other liberal attacks on the traditional social structure of this country by the federal government. Now in this one you're trying to say it's what the people actually want. I tell ya. You'd get laughed out of most places in Kentucky for trying to run a dishwater-weak haze job like that.

[TheRealVille]

You did see the "(Among registered voters)" part, right? And, you did see that it was Republican 25% Independent 35%, of which, most conservative people fall into, right?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-...FZmAnqumyw

Which might speak to another point. Maybe more and more American voters might be identifying with democrats now days.

[TheRealVille]

The gay agenda owes every last achievement, advance and victory due to court actions. They sue and sue and keep on suing until they get an activist judge to give them what they want. Their certainly not winning elections among the people. Rather the courts are forcing acceptance by law. You know this, in one thread you claim the people are too stupid to make decisions about things like gay marriage by voting at the state level. And therefore, need to be ordered to embrace homosexuality, and other liberal attacks on the traditional social structure of this country by the federal government. Now in this one you're trying to say it's what the people actually want. I tell ya. You'd get laughed out of most places in Kentucky for trying to run a dishwater-weak haze job like that.

Show it. But, to be honest, Kentucky voters are interjected with so many years of bias that they can't make an informed decision, according to what is right for one should be right for another.

2nd bold speaks for it's self. See first bold.

[TheRealThing]

Everybody on this site knows, if they would be honest, that I can "up my game", or "dumb it dow", depending on how big of an idiot I want to make you look.

Well, not everybody. That little factoid must have gotten by me somehow.

[Hoot Gibson]

You did see the "(Among registered voters)" part, right? And, you did see that it was Republican 25% Independent 35%, of which, most conservative people fall into, right?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-...FZmAnqumyw

Yes, I saw it and I actually understand it. I also saw the 33% Democrat number and understand that number as well. The poll was skewed by a liberal sample. You can ignore facts but they don't go away.

[TheRealVille]

Yes, I saw it and I actually understand it. I also saw the 33% Democrat number and understand that number as well. The poll was skewed by a liberal sample. You can ignore facts but they don't go away.

Let's look at it this way. Conservatives come from 60% of those polled.

[vector]

The gay agenda owes every last achievement, advance and victory due to court actions. They sue and sue and keep on suing until they get an activist judge to give them what they want.

WELL YOUR REPUBLICAN control supreme court is going to decide

[TheRealVille]

Yes, I saw it and I actually understand it. I also saw the 33% Democrat number and understand that number as well. The poll was skewed by a liberal sample. You can ignore facts but they don't go away.

Bottom line: Numbers don't lie, and know matter how much you argue with me about polls, it is obvious that America is starting to lean more toward gay marriages being accepted. They could poll every single person in America, and I'd put money that more people favor gay marriage being legal. You can see this, but you, being who you are, won't admit it. It's not in your make up to admit that somebody like me(liberal) might be right.

[TheRealThing]

Show it.

2nd bold speaks for it's self.

Okay, I'll do your work for you again. Remember this little conversation about state sovereignty?

YOU
"Are you meaning let the states decide on marijuana laws? Yea, that's laughable"

ME
"What's laughable is your failure to understand that the states are sovereign entities according to the US constitution."

YOU
"^ That can't deny the rights of people according to the constitution, or any amendments to it."

ME
"Returning to an on topic statement, the fact that the states are to remain SOVEREIGN is integral to our nation's history and the founding documents"

YOU
"The President, Congress, and the Supreme court have the power to make decisions for the United States. Maybe you should actually read the Constitution, and look at what it says."

Did I miss your meaning here? Are you not advocating for the federal government to assume an autonomous posture on social issues?

[Hoot Gibson]

Let's look at it this way. Conservatives come from 60% of those polled.

Now you have come full circle. The facts don't support your claim, so you just pull a number out of the air. You and your sidekick have quite a history of posting links that you do not understand. Maybe you better up your game a few more notches because I am certainly not looking dumb in this debate. :biglmao: