[TheRealVille]

Let's subtract the cost of our present wars and conflict with Pakistan(spending you all approve of), off of the deficit and see where Obama has done so much damage, compared to others.

[TheRealVille]

That's right. It shows some creativity. I usually refer to Obama as "Obama." You have used "Boner" 15 times. I suspect that it is because you cannot spell his name without looking it up. :biglmao:

No, I just like to make fun of the "Bitch and Boner" show.
I'm glad to know that calling the President names, as long as you think of multiple, creative names, isn't considered lame. nicker:

[Hoot Gibson]

As I have said, Boehner and Ryan think if we act with some fiscal prudence now, there is still time to turn our financial ship of state before we strike the iceberg. I'm not so confident, because I know Reid will never allow it.

The only thing that Boehner cares about is maintaining his grip on power. He has been too eager to make deals with Obama and has punished conservatives who have stood in the way. It think that Boehner is one of those Washington politicians who believes that he is sent to Washington "to get things done." Often, gridlock is better than the alternative. With Obama and Reid, it almost always beats compromise.

[Hoot Gibson]

No, I just like to make fun of the "Bitch and Boner" show.
I'm glad to know that calling the President names, as long as you think of multiple, creative names, isn't considered lame. nicker:

Yeah, I just roll in the floor LMAO every time that you recycle that phrase, RV. I am just providing you with some constructive criticism - you can take it or leave it. 16...

[TheRealVille]

Yeah, I just roll in the floor LMAO every time that you recycle that phrase, RV. I am just providing you with some constructive criticism - you can take it or leave it. 16...

I'll tell you what, when you take your own advice, and quit calling the President, and democrat legislators names, I'll take advice from you. Right now, your advice doesn't mean much, because you do the same "lame" stuff. :Thumbs:

[Hoot Gibson]

I'll tell you what, when you take your own advice, and quit calling the President, and democrat legislators names, I'll take advice from you. Right now, your advice doesn't mean much, because you do the same "lame" stuff. :Thumbs:

I don't really care what you call Republican politicians, RV. Calling them names is not lame, the lack of originality and humor is what is lame. I consider Boehner one of "your" guys as much as mine. Obama could not have hoped for a more malleable Republican Speaker of the House. Insult him all you want. They are golfing buddies. nicker:

[TheRealVille]

I don't really care what you call Republican politicians, RV. Calling them names is not lame, the lack of originality and humor is what is lame. I consider Boehner one of "your" guys as much as mine. Obama could not have hoped for a more malleable Republican Speaker of the House. Insult him all you want. They are golfing buddies. nicker:

Good. Ok, I'll give you the last word. I know that's what you are looking for. :Thumbs:

[TheRealThing]

The only thing that Boehner cares about is maintaining his grip on power. He has been too eager to make deals with Obama and has punished conservatives who have stood in the way. It think that Boehner is one of those Washington politicians who believes that he is sent to Washington "to get things done." Often, gridlock is better than the alternative. With Obama and Reid, it almost always beats compromise.

I didn't quite mean to defend Boehner. I think Paul's budget is written in the context that would afford as much fiscal responsibility as one might expect in the face of opposition from a substantial coalition of takers. The racist congressional black caucus, defenders of illegal immigration, gay rights activists, pro-choice activists, living document zealots, liberals, progressives (both parties), environmentalists, you know, the entirety that make up the left.

[TheRealThing]

I'll tell you what, when you take your own advice, and quit calling the President, and democrat legislators names, I'll take advice from you. Right now, your advice doesn't mean much, because you do the same "lame" stuff. :Thumbs:

Better yet, how about this scenario. The dems quit lying their heads off. Stop the slander and all forms of baseless republican denigration. Tell the truth about Benghazi. Apologize to Mitt Romney for their epic assault on his reputation and his family. Admit ObamaCare will never work and agree to cooperate with duly elected republican representatives, to keep the good parts and scrap the other 2,000 plus pages of communist take over. Govern from the middle, thusly providing the remaining 80% of the productive citizens of this land with representation according to the dictates of the constitution. Quit rigging elections, with things like the dead vote, poll sanctioned, and encouraged, illegal immigrant vote and the Freddie Johnson vote.

The Obama brain trust started referring to The Affordable Care Act as being a "bi-partisan bill" shortly after it's passage. The only problem with that is not one republican voted for it in the House nor, did even as much as one republican vote for it in the US Senate. In short every democratic vote was critical to the passage of ObamaCare because not one republican voted for it. So, those among the dems who would not support the passage of ObamaCare got their arm twisted with lavish gifts in the form of federal money to their districts. Is that even legal? According to Eric Holder it is, LOL. It's 'rammed through' legislation. The "people" didn't want it then and they don't want it now. The dems ran over the will of the people with ObamaCare, the gay rights center piece legislation known as the Repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, abortion on demand, and the eventual 23 trillion dollar national debt we will be facing come 2016.

After the way the DNC and Mr Obama denied the people reasonable campaign statesmanship in steamrolling the person of Mitt Romney, the collaboration between Obama and Crowley was more than obvious. I don't know how any democrat could ask for civility from across the aisle. We won't even bother to get into the daily forced feedings of distortions at the hands of the complicitous new media.

I don't know about Hoot but, once we see the end of all these kinds of shenanigans. I for one will be happy to show some respect. But, as long as I continue to see my country "fundamentally transformed" in front of my eyes, you can count on those little gems of wit, you call names. All in all, a pretty harmless relief valve if you ask me.

[TheRealVille]

Better yet, how about this scenario. The dems quit lying their heads off. Stop the slander and all forms of baseless republican denigration. Tell the truth about Benghazi. Apologize to Mitt Romney for their epic assault on his reputation and his family. Admit ObamaCare will never work and agree to cooperate with duly elected republican representatives, to keep the good parts and scrap the other 2,000 plus pages of communist take over. Govern from the middle, thusly providing the remaining 80% of the productive citizens of this land with representation according to the dictates of the constitution. Quit rigging elections, with things like the dead vote, poll sanctioned, and encouraged, illegal immigrant vote and the Freddie Johnson vote.

The Obama brain trust started referring to The Affordable Care Act as being a "bi-partisan bill" shortly after it's passage. The only problem with that is not one republican voted for it in the House nor, did even as much as one republican vote for it in the US Senate. In short every democratic vote was critical to the passage of ObamaCare because not one republican voted for it. So, those among the dems who would not support the passage of ObamaCare got their arm twisted with lavish gifts in the form of federal money to their districts. Is that even legal? According to Eric Holder it is, LOL. It's 'rammed through' legislation. The "people" didn't want it then and they don't want it now. The dems ran over the will of the people with ObamaCare, the gay rights center piece legislation known as the Repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, abortion on demand, and the eventual 23 trillion dollar national debt we will be facing come 2016.

After the way the DNC and Mr Obama denied the people reasonable campaign statesmanship in steamrolling the person of Mitt Romney, the collaboration between Obama and Crowley was more than obvious. I don't know how any democrat could ask for civility from across the aisle. We won't even bother to get into the daily forced feedings of distortions at the hands of the complicitous new media.

I don't know about Hoot but, once we see the end of all these kinds of shenanigans. I for one will be happy to show some respect. But, as long as I continue to see my country "fundamentally transformed" in front of my eyes, you can count on those little gems of wit, you call names. All in all, a pretty harmless relief valve if you ask me.

Tell your twin that. He was the one that called my dig at Boner lame.

[TheRealThing]

Tell your twin that. He was the one that called my dig at Boner lame.

That's fair.

[Hoot Gibson]

I didn't quite mean to defend Boehner. I think Paul's budget is written in the context that would afford as much fiscal responsibility as one might expect in the face of opposition from a substantial coalition of takers. The racist congressional black caucus, defenders of illegal immigration, gay rights activists, pro-choice activists, living document zealots, liberals, progressives (both parties), environmentalists, you know, the entirety that make up the left.

I gave Boehner the benefit of doubt for a long time, but the way that he and other members of the Republican establishment treaty conservative members in the Tea Party movement during and after this past campaign, convinced me that they are part of the problem. I think Boehner sees the Ryan budget as a bargaining chip and he will eventually agree to tax increases and get very little from Obama in return.

As he has done before, Boehner will punish conservatives who oppose the ultimate deal that he strikes with Obama. Conservatives should have refused to vote to reelect Boeher Speaker. Republicans are better than the alternative, but guys like Boehner are letting themselves be dragged to the left inch by inch. The Senate is in even worse shape. No Republican Minority Leader could do much there with RINOs like McCain and Graham competing for media approval.

[Hoot Gibson]

Tell your twin that. He was the one that called my dig at Boner lame.

The lame reference was not directed at your use of "Boner." It was aimed at your overuse of the name and your lack of creativity and originality. Few good ideas or lines come from campaign web sites or leftist blogs. If you want to hear a smart man make creative Boehner insults, then I suggest that you tune into a Mark Levin show. Boehner is not popular among conservatives.

[TheRealVille]

The lame reference was not directed at your use of "Boner." It was aimed at your overuse of the name and your lack of creativity and originality. Few good ideas or lines come from campaign web sites or leftist blogs. If you want to hear a smart man make creative Boehner insults, then I suggest that you tune into a Mark Levin show. Boehner is not popular among conservatives.

So, as long as I find him a new nickname it won't be lame anymore? Tell me the rules, and don't change them when I remind you of similar name calling. You state the rules, so we all know what's legal in the political "name calling" game. I'll let you make the rules. Make sure the rules suit you this time. Is "republican homer Boehner" ok with you? Maybe "Boso Boehner"? :biggrin:

Edit: Let me know when I've used Bitch McConnell too much, please.

[TheRealVille]

^ If it was good enough for Bush, I would think I'd be safe.

Politicians

Bama, Rock – Barack Obama, former Democratic Senator, Illinois, Bush's successor as President of the United States[30][dubious – discuss]
Boner – John Boehner, former Republican Majority Leader, current Speaker of the House [31]
Big Boy - Chris Christie, former United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey, current Governor of New Jersey [32]
Pablo – Paul Wellstone, Democratic Senator, Minnesota[33]
Pedro – Peter King, Republican Congressman from New York[10]
Hogan[34] – John McCain, Republican Senator, Arizona[10]
Big George – George Miller, Democratic Congressman, California[3]
Freddy Boy, Freddo – Fred Upton, Republican Congressman from Michigan[3]
Congressman Kickass – John Sweeney, Republican Congressman, New York[35]
Nellie (former), Benney (former), Benator (current) – Ben Nelson, Democratic Senator, Nebraska[36] (Daily Show, 02/28/05)
Ellis – Charles Ellis "Chuck" Schumer, Democratic Senator, New York[37]
Ali – Barbara Boxer, Democratic Senator, California[10]
Frazier – Dianne Feinstein, Democratic Senator, California[10]
Sabertooth – Barney Frank, Democratic Congressman, Massachusetts[38]
Red – Adam Putnam, Republican Congressman, Florida[39

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nic...ge_W._Bush

[Hoot Gibson]

So, as long as I find him a new nickname it won't be lame anymore? Tell me the rules, and don't change them when I remind you of similar name calling. You state the rules, so we all know what's legal in the political "name calling" game. I'll let you make the rules. Make sure the rules suit you this time. Is "republican homer Boehner" ok with you? Maybe "Boso Boehner"? :biggrin:

Edit: Let me know when I've used Bitch McConnell too much, please.

I don't care what you call any politician, RV. :biglmao:

As you can see from this thread, conservatives don't support the Republican Party in lockstep. You, OTOH, have been sucked into a personality cult. It is why you take personal offense to any criticism of Obama. In a representative democracy such as our's, political leaders need to earn support. Blind worship of any politician undermines the entire system.

[TheRealThing]

I don't care what you call any politician, RV. :biglmao:

As you can see from this thread, conservatives don't support the Republican Party in lockstep. You, OTOH, have been sucked into a personality cult. It is why you take personal offense to any criticism of Obama. In a representative democracy such as our's, political leaders need to earn support. Blind worship of any politician undermines the entire system.

Agreed. Blind worship of any politician or party, IMHO. The fact that the dems know they have their base in the bag, is what allows them to enjoy such a broad charter when it comes to their declarations of propaganda. The sky is the limit when it comes to character assassinations of those across the aisle. At this point, they believe they can say or do anything and get by with it. Their loyal base in tow, like willing sheep are being led to slaughter and, they're dragging people like me along with them albeit with kicking and screaming.

If at any point the willing happen to actually get interested in the process of self governance and therefore, begin to demand some degree of accountability from their democrat representatives, most dems will come down off of their high horses overnight. However, if their base doesn't ever demand honorable dealings from them, no changes will be made. For instance, Hoot and I don't agree on everything. I unlike him, would not be willing to tolerate the legalization of drugs in America. However, I have a lot of respect for his perspectives. That friendly and respectful debate is what is missing in Congress. The asinine rantings of folks like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and other extreme left loons are an insult to most folks intelligence. But, they keep getting sent back to the Hill where they can further foist their doctrines of liberal socialism upon the rest of us. Despite their claims, they are completely unwilling to work with republicans on a thing. Now, if a republican would happen to vote with them, like Rand Paul did in the Senate today, they trumpet all about bi-partisan support. But, it's always a republican coming over to vote with them, never the other way around, and I chose my word carefully when I said never.

It takes two to tango. If there is rampant infighting there in Congress, the dems are at least 50% responsible for it. They need to quit dividing the country and govern with the dignity which was on display as recently as the days of Rep Henry Hyde and Sen George Mitchell. To me the real problem is caused by elected public servants who are more than willing, to put party and politics ahead of country and service. When the corruption stops, so will our nation's problems. But, until and unless, voters find some character and demand honesty and statesmanship from their elected officials, we're had.

And, FWIW, I'm no fan of folks like John McCain, Karl Rove, and Lindsey Graham. But, the open declarations of depravity and subsequent platform planks that dems have unfortunately chosen to espouse leave people like me with only one choice. The lesser of two evils. Two evils that stack up like a comparison of Hitler and Pope Benedict XVI. :biggrin:

[TheRealVille]

I notice no one wants to address the posts about the 6+ trillion that the wars and the Pakistan conflict have added to the deficit. TRT wants to chant the 17T deficit, but ignores what wars have added to it. :dontthink

[RunItUpTheGut]

Simple facts......were broke.

Simple facts.......we have no politicians in either party smart enough to fix it.

I believe were circling to a point in this country where both parties are about to be widely rejected.
I wouldnt be surprised to see an independent start making good runs within the next 20 years.

[TheRealThing]

I notice no one wants to address the posts about the 6+ trillion that the wars and the Pakistan conflict have added to the deficit. TRT wants to chant the 17T deficit, but ignores what wars have added to it. :dontthink

I didn't speak to it so far for a reason. I don't agree with you. According to Cost of War .com, we've spent 1.4 trillion since 2001 on war with Iraq and war in Afghanistan combined. http://costofwar.com/

You usually just disappear or bail out semi-gracefully when one of your arguments runs out of steam. But, while we're noticing when the other doesn't answer the bell, address, at long last, this one for me. You can swallow a camel when speaking of the 7 trillion Obama added to the debt in a scant four years. But, the gnat that gags you in the form of the 5 trillion George W added in 8 years is entirely unpalatable for you. And, I know why you don't source your blanket contempt for Bush with your vague references to his supposedly having "put the country in a hole." But, my question is this. When are you going to admit that America took a 3 Trillion dollar hit as the result of the terror attacks of 9/11? That expense is separate from the wars that were fought subsequently BTW. You subtract that 3 trillion from the George W era deficit, and we get down to 2 trillion for 8 years. That's a paltry 250 billion a year. Now, if Obama could come within a light year of George's fiscal prowess, we'd all hear the angels singing!

In any event. A bi-partisan Congress voted to FUND those wars. Nancy, Hillary and Harry even helped spear head the legislation. But, if it makes you feel good to blame Bush (boy there's a novel idea for ya!) I'm sure there is an empty seat on the blame Bush bus. nicker:

But, I should thank you for giving me an opportunity to revisit a topic I like to talk about. And, I like to keep the record straight for liberals fascinated with George's accomplishments.

[TheRealVille]

I didn't speak to it so far for a reason. I don't agree with you. According to Cost of War .com, we've spent 1.4 trillion since 2001 on war with Iraq and war in Afghanistan combined. http://costofwar.com/

You usually just disappear or bail out semi-gracefully when one of your arguments runs out of steam. But, while we're noticing when the other doesn't answer the bell, address, at long last, this one for me. You can swallow a camel when speaking of the 7 trillion Obama added to the debt in a scant four years. But, the gnat that gags you in the form of the 5 trillion George W added in 8 years is entirely unpalatable for you. And, I know why you don't source your blanket contempt for Bush with your vague references to his supposedly having "put the country in a hole." But, my question is this. When are you going to admit that America took a 3 Trillion dollar hit as the result of the terror attacks of 9/11? That expense is separate from the wars that were fought subsequently BTW. You subtract that 3 trillion from the George W era deficit, and we get down to 2 trillion for 8 years. That's a paltry 250 billion a year. Now, if Obama could come within a light year of George's fiscal prowess, we'd all hear the angels singing!

In any event. A bi-partisan Congress voted to FUND those wars. Nancy, Hillary and Harry even helped spear head the legislation. But, if it makes you feel good to blame Bush (boy there's a novel idea for ya!) I'm sure there is an empty seat on the blame Bush bus. nicker:

But, I should thank you for giving me an opportunity to revisit a topic I like to talk about. And, I like to keep the record straight for liberals fascinated with George's accomplishments.

Costofwar doesn't agree with the new CBO figures, or others that are tallying it up.

[TheRealVille]

Simple facts......were broke.

Simple facts.......we have no politicians in either party smart enough to fix it.

I believe were circling to a point in this country where both parties are about to be widely rejected.
I wouldnt be surprised to see an independent start making good runs within the next 20 years.

Independent means conservative. A conservative party is never going to rise until they get on board with social issues with liberals. The people of this country are changing their views on social issues, and it isn't a move to the right, it's a move left. Hence, the slow death of any conservative leaning party.

[vector]

http://money.msn.com/investing/latest.as...d0d7ab9787


plus you add in the great recession he inherited from your boy bush2 he was in a pretty big hole to get out of

[TheRealVille]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/23/opinio...oblem.html

[WideRight05]

Independent means conservative. A conservative party is never going to rise until they get on board with social issues with liberals. The people of this country are changing their views on social issues, and it isn't a move to the right, it's a move left. Hence, the slow death of any conservative leaning party.

As much as you would like to see it, the conservatives are going nowhere. Yes, Obama has the presidency right now, but if the people of this country are changing on social issues, why have all these conservatives been elected in various states that have led to some of the most strict abortion laws being passed in years? The democrats do not have a big lead in the senate, and the republicans recently swept the house and still hold a big lead.

Realistically, the conservatives are going to win some and the liberals will win theirs from time to time. But to say that one party is going to have a slow death is extreme.

[TheRealVille]

As much as you would like to see it, the conservatives are going nowhere. Yes, Obama has the presidency right now, but if the people of this country are changing on social issues, why have all these conservatives been elected in various states that have led to some of the most strict abortion laws being passed in years? The democrats do not have a big lead in the senate, and the republicans recently swept the house and still hold a big lead.

Realistically, the conservatives are going to win some and the liberals will win theirs from time to time. But to say that one party is going to have a slow death is extreme.

Watch how fast America is changing on social issues. Just in one decade there has been a 20% swing in whether or not Americans believe in gay marriage. The majority(58%, 81% for younger Americans, 18-30) of Americans now believe it is ok for gays to marry. This week, the Supreme court will be deciding two major cases on gay marriage. If they rule the way that it is expected to go, it will be a major, fast change in the marriage rules. This is just one of the social issues that are showing a changing America. If the conservative party doesn't want to die a slow death, they will have to evolve their views. It's that simple. People are tired of the "grumpy white man's club", and if you watch any news at all, you can't help but see that. To think otherwise, you are only kidding yourself, and hoping if you ignore it, it will go away.

For all your stats you pointed out, 2014 will be a major picture into how things are going for conservatives. We will know soon enough which one of was right.

[TidesHoss32]

Start from scratch. Punt every single politician out of Washington. All of them. Theyve proven they are unwilling (like children) to work together, and theyve proven that they refuse to put the needs of the country above their own. Give them a 2 term limit and see how much more gets accomplished when "Career seat warmer" goes out the window.

[TheRealVille]

Start from scratch. Punt every single politician out of Washington. All of them. Theyve proven they are unwilling (like children) to work together, and theyve proven that they refuse to put the needs of the country above their own. Give them a 2 term limit and see how much more gets accomplished when "Career seat warmer" goes out the window.

This is a view that I'd bet all of America would get behind. The ones making the rules won't do it, though.

[Hoot Gibson]

Start from scratch. Punt every single politician out of Washington. All of them. Theyve proven they are unwilling (like children) to work together, and theyve proven that they refuse to put the needs of the country above their own. Give them a 2 term limit and see how much more gets accomplished when "Career seat warmer" goes out the window.

The same quality people would be elected with term limits in place. They would just play an elaborate game of musical chairs moving from elected office to elected office. This country's problem is not with politicians, it is with the people who put them into and leave them in office. This nation thrived for more than 200 years with term limits almost identical to what we have today. The immoral, illiterate, ignorant, and apathetic have joined forces to give us the lowlife career politicians that are looting the federal treasury today.

I hate to say it, but we are probably on a downward spiral from which recovery is no longer possible. Hopefully, the nation that arises from the ashes of this one will not be even worse.

[Hoot Gibson]

Watch how fast America is changing on social issues. Just in one decade there has been a 20% swing in whether or not Americans believe in gay marriage. The majority(58%, 81% for younger Americans, 18-30) of Americans now believe it is ok for gays to marry. This week, the Supreme court will be deciding two major cases on gay marriage. If they rule the way that it is expected to go, it will be a major, fast change in the marriage rules. This is just one of the social issues that are showing a changing America. If the conservative party doesn't want to die a slow death, they will have to evolve their views. It's that simple. People are tired of the "grumpy white man's club", and if you watch any news at all, you can't help but see that. To think otherwise, you are only kidding yourself, and hoping if you ignore it, it will go away.

For all your stats you pointed out, 2014 will be a major picture into how things are going for conservatives. We will know soon enough which one of was right.

Stats without a source or description of the sample population are worthless. Gay marriage has been placed on many ballots and lost in almost every case. That is why gay advocates have filed suits in federal court from coast to coast to overturn the will of the electorate.