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03-13-2013, 10:47 AM
I have watched and read many people give their particular opinion about our 6 class system within high school football. If you had to come up with a system what would your's look like and why? Or would you leave it like it is?
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03-13-2013, 11:43 AM
I would do exactly what they are doing in Oklahoma.
This is what they instituted in Oklahoma last year.
B. In athletic activities, a member school shall be placed one classification above the classification in which the member school would be placed according to ADM if the member school meets any three of the following four
criteria:
i) the school has the ability to decline admission or enrollment to a student, even if the student and the
student's parents (or custodial parent or court-appointed guardian with legal custody of the student) reside
within that school's public school district or designated geographic area;
ii) the school is located within a fifteen (15) mile radius of a school placed in the 5A or 6A classification
according to ADM;
iii) fewer than twenty-five (25) percent of the children enrolled at the school in grades nine through twelve
qualify for free or reduced lunches;
iv) the school's ADM in grades nine through 12 has increased by fifty (50) percent or more over the previous
three school years.
C. A school moved up one classification pursuant to the above criteria will be moved back down in classification in a
particular activity if the school's team has not finished among the top eight teams in that activity in at least three of
the previous five school years.
Indiana has instituted a new "success factor" rule. Each championship (from state to regional) is assigned a point value. If you exceed that point value over a certain period of time, then you move up a class. I'm not really sure how I feel about this one.
However, I'm one of these people that strongly feel that demographics and other geographical factors have a lot more to do with the success that all programs have (athletic and academic). I know that "work harder" is commonly used. If only it was that easy.
This is what they instituted in Oklahoma last year.
B. In athletic activities, a member school shall be placed one classification above the classification in which the member school would be placed according to ADM if the member school meets any three of the following four
criteria:
i) the school has the ability to decline admission or enrollment to a student, even if the student and the
student's parents (or custodial parent or court-appointed guardian with legal custody of the student) reside
within that school's public school district or designated geographic area;
ii) the school is located within a fifteen (15) mile radius of a school placed in the 5A or 6A classification
according to ADM;
iii) fewer than twenty-five (25) percent of the children enrolled at the school in grades nine through twelve
qualify for free or reduced lunches;
iv) the school's ADM in grades nine through 12 has increased by fifty (50) percent or more over the previous
three school years.
C. A school moved up one classification pursuant to the above criteria will be moved back down in classification in a
particular activity if the school's team has not finished among the top eight teams in that activity in at least three of
the previous five school years.
Indiana has instituted a new "success factor" rule. Each championship (from state to regional) is assigned a point value. If you exceed that point value over a certain period of time, then you move up a class. I'm not really sure how I feel about this one.
However, I'm one of these people that strongly feel that demographics and other geographical factors have a lot more to do with the success that all programs have (athletic and academic). I know that "work harder" is commonly used. If only it was that easy.
03-13-2013, 12:02 PM
I 110 percent agree with your opinion of demographics. I feel that many schools are trapped with what kids are there, and with little to no economy there isn't any type of turnover. Most faMilies who have a great athlete in a bad school Move to a new location, which requires parents to find a job in that new location. Most counties in Kentucky do not have that type of abilities do to their poor economic situation.
I honestly think that Kentucky should have a private/ independent league. I think that there should be 2 sections of the private independent league Class A and Class b for the large and smaller schools. I think that any private or independent school should not have a district but play 10 regular season games of their choice. From there they would be in there a Class A or Class B playoff bracket. This would do away with the private an independent monopoly of state titles in KKhsaa.
I honestly think that Kentucky should have a private/ independent league. I think that there should be 2 sections of the private independent league Class A and Class b for the large and smaller schools. I think that any private or independent school should not have a district but play 10 regular season games of their choice. From there they would be in there a Class A or Class B playoff bracket. This would do away with the private an independent monopoly of state titles in KKhsaa.
03-13-2013, 12:04 PM
I know with every situation, there would be something wrong with a plan. But I think there is in need of a plan that's why I started this thread. I would really like more opinions not to correct my opinion but your own opinion to see what could be done. ?!?
03-13-2013, 12:20 PM
Split the state in half, keep the same class systems. That way there are more: Louisville vs WKY and Eastern KY vs Lexington schools.
03-13-2013, 04:30 PM
I like what Oklahoma is doing it would be good for football here if different teams was winning.g titles every year and I know what the highlands n trinity n other schools will say work harder but there is a lot more to it than that
03-13-2013, 07:58 PM
chicken_hawks101 Wrote:I 110 percent agree with your opinion of demographics. I feel that many schools are trapped with what kids are there, and with little to no economy there isn't any type of turnover. Most faMilies who have a great athlete in a bad school Move to a new location, which requires parents to find a job in that new location. Most counties in Kentucky do not have that type of abilities do to their poor economic situation.Why do keep classifying independent with private schools? Independent schools are public schools.
I honestly think that Kentucky should have a private/ independent league. I think that there should be 2 sections of the private independent league Class A and Class b for the large and smaller schools. I think that any private or independent school should not have a district but play 10 regular season games of their choice. From there they would be in there a Class A or Class B playoff bracket. This would do away with the private an independent monopoly of state titles in KKhsaa.
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03-13-2013, 09:50 PM
^^^ You're right. Independent schools are public schools.
However, I think what some on here (and, I'm one of them, too) think about is how many of your "county" schools in these rural areas are at a disadvantage from the standpoint of travel a lot of of times and other factors.
Fact is, there are a lot of 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A and even some 5A "county" schools who are at a huge disadvantage when it comes to football.
A large majority of kids at these schools who actually live out in the county (let's say >6-7 miles from the school) just don't play. They have never played and they are never going to play. Be it because of travel. Be it because many of them farm. Be it simply because they don't have dads, grandfathers, uncles, cousins, etc. that ever played (see places like Highlands, Beechwood, Bowling Green, etc. Independent schools where football has always been a staple within the community, its families, the school and it always will).
I know many older coaches who have said that consolidation of these rural county schools back in the 50's, 60's and even 70's are what hurt football in a lot of these communities. And, it makes sense, too. Think about it: Many of these "______ County High School(s)" across the state were once made up of 2, 3, 4, 5 or so smaller schools throughout the county. Often times, though, ONLY ONE of those schools (usually the high school in the county seat/biggest city) played football. So, what you get is School A who had football, combined with School's B, C and D who didn't have football then (for whatever reasons). Well, the communities that housed the non football playing schools of B, C and D didn't care about football before 1960 & the fact is, they still don't care about it (now, will you get a couple kids who now play football from those areas? Sure, but the vast majority come from the main town in the county; which also happened to be the only football playing school before consolidation.)
Keep in mind that what I said with the above are those schools who are rural (heck, let's say less than 20K people in the county).
To add to the above. I've heard from many of these same older men/coaches (some who still coach, others who have since long retired) say that one of the reasons why basketball was so big in our state is because of the fact that it wasn't during any kind of harvest season. So, often times, thats why you'd have (and, still have) farm kids who didn't play football, but play basketball in these rural communities.
I know a few coaches at some respected "county" school programs across the state who have told me personally, that if it was determined that those kids out in the county (again, lets say > 6-7 miles from the school) weren't to be going to that school anymore that it wouldn't hurt their football program one bit. None. Their male enrollment would be cut in half, yet they still could play in the same class and not miss a beat. In short, you have insert town here High School Football @ insert County High School at a lot of these places. Or, another way to look at is; you have a 1A football program at a 3A school.
Before I end here, to prove that there is an obvious difference (be it in mentality, athletic abilities or both) bt the Privates/Independent/Populated area "county" schools and the rural area schools, take this into consideration: (I have a more detailed study about this if you would like to see)
Since 1998, there have been 144 schools play in the KHSAA Football State Championship games, and ALLLLLL but 20 of them have been:
1) Private
2) Independent
3) "County" schools that resided amonst the Top 15 most populated counties in the state.
Again....all, but 20 are from one of the above 3 criteria (for the record, 12 of those belong to 3 schools--I'll let you think on who they are and the other 10 are "one hit" wonders, so far).
As you can probably tell, I am also one of these people who believe that demographics play an extremely large role in everything; be it sports or academics. I know that's not the politically correct thing to say, but it's fact.
Lastly, I think 6 classes is too many. I've never like it. I'd love nothing more than to go back to 4 classes (5 max). However, instead of grouping merely by numbers, let's look at what's inside those numbers and break it down that way.
However, I think what some on here (and, I'm one of them, too) think about is how many of your "county" schools in these rural areas are at a disadvantage from the standpoint of travel a lot of of times and other factors.
Fact is, there are a lot of 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A and even some 5A "county" schools who are at a huge disadvantage when it comes to football.
A large majority of kids at these schools who actually live out in the county (let's say >6-7 miles from the school) just don't play. They have never played and they are never going to play. Be it because of travel. Be it because many of them farm. Be it simply because they don't have dads, grandfathers, uncles, cousins, etc. that ever played (see places like Highlands, Beechwood, Bowling Green, etc. Independent schools where football has always been a staple within the community, its families, the school and it always will).
I know many older coaches who have said that consolidation of these rural county schools back in the 50's, 60's and even 70's are what hurt football in a lot of these communities. And, it makes sense, too. Think about it: Many of these "______ County High School(s)" across the state were once made up of 2, 3, 4, 5 or so smaller schools throughout the county. Often times, though, ONLY ONE of those schools (usually the high school in the county seat/biggest city) played football. So, what you get is School A who had football, combined with School's B, C and D who didn't have football then (for whatever reasons). Well, the communities that housed the non football playing schools of B, C and D didn't care about football before 1960 & the fact is, they still don't care about it (now, will you get a couple kids who now play football from those areas? Sure, but the vast majority come from the main town in the county; which also happened to be the only football playing school before consolidation.)
Keep in mind that what I said with the above are those schools who are rural (heck, let's say less than 20K people in the county).
To add to the above. I've heard from many of these same older men/coaches (some who still coach, others who have since long retired) say that one of the reasons why basketball was so big in our state is because of the fact that it wasn't during any kind of harvest season. So, often times, thats why you'd have (and, still have) farm kids who didn't play football, but play basketball in these rural communities.
I know a few coaches at some respected "county" school programs across the state who have told me personally, that if it was determined that those kids out in the county (again, lets say > 6-7 miles from the school) weren't to be going to that school anymore that it wouldn't hurt their football program one bit. None. Their male enrollment would be cut in half, yet they still could play in the same class and not miss a beat. In short, you have insert town here High School Football @ insert County High School at a lot of these places. Or, another way to look at is; you have a 1A football program at a 3A school.
Before I end here, to prove that there is an obvious difference (be it in mentality, athletic abilities or both) bt the Privates/Independent/Populated area "county" schools and the rural area schools, take this into consideration: (I have a more detailed study about this if you would like to see)
Since 1998, there have been 144 schools play in the KHSAA Football State Championship games, and ALLLLLL but 20 of them have been:
1) Private
2) Independent
3) "County" schools that resided amonst the Top 15 most populated counties in the state.
Again....all, but 20 are from one of the above 3 criteria (for the record, 12 of those belong to 3 schools--I'll let you think on who they are and the other 10 are "one hit" wonders, so far).
As you can probably tell, I am also one of these people who believe that demographics play an extremely large role in everything; be it sports or academics. I know that's not the politically correct thing to say, but it's fact.
Lastly, I think 6 classes is too many. I've never like it. I'd love nothing more than to go back to 4 classes (5 max). However, instead of grouping merely by numbers, let's look at what's inside those numbers and break it down that way.
03-13-2013, 11:35 PM
Fly like a duck, your post said in the long version what I said; you never said the schools did not have the talent, you said that it is hard to get the kids to come out to play football. It would take a coach to come in and change that feeling about football in the school and community. Highlands football is successful because a ton of kids want to play from the time they are 4. Highlands basketball sucks, but according to your beliefs (independent school,large condensed population,good academics, ect) the should be good. The are not because there is little interest and very little off season practice by the ones who do play(one plays AAU ball). The dedication to football in Ft Thomas is crazy and people do not want to believe that. If the Highlands kids put as much work into basketball they would be winning regional titals. You do not see NKY people complain and want to make changes in the basketball format even though only 2 championships have ever made there way up here. We know why that is, more focus is placed on football. To win championships you have to have good coaching, but first it has to be something the kids want and willing to sacrifice to achieve.
03-14-2013, 12:02 AM
I actually didn't see your post. But, I will say this, too, since I'm not in the business of keeping things P.C, but many of these schools don't have the talent. They just don't.
Highlands basketball will come back around.
You and I have engaged in discussions here and privately. It's safe to say that there are things we agree on and things we don't, all the while respecting opinions.
So, I must say; that it takes a heck of a lot more than just a great coach to change a football program in the community. Bear Bryant coming back to life, Nick Saban and Urban Meyer couldn't do anymore at some of these places across our state than what's being done. They just couldn't.
I played at an Independent powerhouse program in this state and have coached in the past at both Independents and the most rural of schools. When you get knee deep involved, or should I say to the point of where your nose is barely above the water involved, then you truly see the sharp contrasts.
It's like education. Fact is, some of these schools will never get out of the gutter. Ever. I don't care if Harvard professors were to come and teach, or more realistically, some of our tracers from the top academic schools across our state, like Highlands, couldn't change what's going on at these schools. It goes sooooo much deeper than just who is leading the program. Again, I know that will be frowned upon by many, but it's fact. The same goes for football.
For the record, even though Highlands has struggled as of late in basketball, many of your final 4 teams the last several years have been from schools in one of those criteria (mostly bigger schools from our most populated communities/counties).
Highlands basketball will come back around.
You and I have engaged in discussions here and privately. It's safe to say that there are things we agree on and things we don't, all the while respecting opinions.
So, I must say; that it takes a heck of a lot more than just a great coach to change a football program in the community. Bear Bryant coming back to life, Nick Saban and Urban Meyer couldn't do anymore at some of these places across our state than what's being done. They just couldn't.
I played at an Independent powerhouse program in this state and have coached in the past at both Independents and the most rural of schools. When you get knee deep involved, or should I say to the point of where your nose is barely above the water involved, then you truly see the sharp contrasts.
It's like education. Fact is, some of these schools will never get out of the gutter. Ever. I don't care if Harvard professors were to come and teach, or more realistically, some of our tracers from the top academic schools across our state, like Highlands, couldn't change what's going on at these schools. It goes sooooo much deeper than just who is leading the program. Again, I know that will be frowned upon by many, but it's fact. The same goes for football.
For the record, even though Highlands has struggled as of late in basketball, many of your final 4 teams the last several years have been from schools in one of those criteria (mostly bigger schools from our most populated communities/counties).
03-14-2013, 12:16 AM
It takes parents, it takes the community, it takes the administration, it takes the dedication on they young men that play and it takes having some athletic types within that dedication to make a program.
Many of these places have none of those, especially many of the rural schools. Granted, they'll have runs of 3-4 year at best every 15 or 20, but as far as anything substantial? No.
If you look at the Highlands, Beechwoods, Bowling Greens, Mayfield, Hazard, Pikevilles, Paducah Tilghman, Owensboro's, Danville, Ashlands, Somersets, etc of our state; you are talking football programs that have been around close to, if not over, 100 years. They were the football schools in our state long before us (and, their current coaches) and they will be after we are long gone. (Minus the obvious Big Green, Private Monsters and other privates who have gotten the ball rolling).
Many of these places have none of those, especially many of the rural schools. Granted, they'll have runs of 3-4 year at best every 15 or 20, but as far as anything substantial? No.
If you look at the Highlands, Beechwoods, Bowling Greens, Mayfield, Hazard, Pikevilles, Paducah Tilghman, Owensboro's, Danville, Ashlands, Somersets, etc of our state; you are talking football programs that have been around close to, if not over, 100 years. They were the football schools in our state long before us (and, their current coaches) and they will be after we are long gone. (Minus the obvious Big Green, Private Monsters and other privates who have gotten the ball rolling).
03-14-2013, 12:22 AM
^^^Let me add, not just programs that have been around for close to 100 years (which I forgot about Male, too), but you are talking programs that have had allllllll of those necessities that I mentioned for that time span, too.
03-14-2013, 08:47 AM
Male isn't and independent, it just felt wrong leaving them out. In that list are some of the all time winning programs in the nation, so I thought I'd throw Male in there as well. Lol
03-14-2013, 09:10 AM
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03-17-2013, 03:01 PM
Go to three classes, puts roughly 75 to 80 teams per class which means each class will have more talented teams, making even regional championships harder to come by! When was the last time a local high school power house celebrated a regional championship? Not many do because its a cake walk until you get to the state semifinals. Give teams the option to play up one class if they want but not have the option to play down in class regardless of the situation. This would put 8 to 9 teams per district, making each week mean something. Making the playoffs would then be something worth bragging about, not something handed to you regardless of you season because of the district size. Plus you can have all three state championship games in the same day... and please, for the love of all that makes sense... move the championships back to Louisville or Lexington. Bowling Green is such a long drive for the eastern and northern part of the state. Louisville and Lexington are central to the whole state.
03-17-2013, 03:40 PM
bball_fan Wrote:Go to three classes, puts roughly 75 to 80 teams per class which means each class will have more talented teams, making even regional championships harder to come by! When was the last time a local high school power house celebrated a regional championship? Not many do because its a cake walk until you get to the state semifinals. Give teams the option to play up one class if they want but not have the option to play down in class regardless of the situation. This would put 8 to 9 teams per district, making each week mean something. Making the playoffs would then be something worth bragging about, not something handed to you regardless of you season because of the district size. Plus you can have all three state championship games in the same day... and please, for the love of all that makes sense... move the championships back to Louisville or Lexington. Bowling Green is such a long drive for the eastern and northern part of the state. Louisville and Lexington are central to the whole state.
One problem with this....it makes way too much sense
nicker:. I like it bball. Someone mentioned 4 classes earlier. Either 3 or 4 works in my book!
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03-17-2013, 04:36 PM
I like it bball, but if it makes since we probably are not allow to do it. This would make it a whole lot easier to schedule with 7or 8 team districts. They have got to do something about scheduling a pretty good team can not get any one to play.
03-17-2013, 05:02 PM
I got really bored one night and actually drew up what the districts and such would look like for all three classes...
CLASS 1A
South Region
---district 1
Ballard Memorial
Caldwell County
Crittenden County
Fulton City
Fulton County
Heath
Mayfield
Murray
Reidland
---district 2
Bardstown
Bethlehem
Butler County
Fort Knox
Hancock County
McLean County
Owensboro Catholic
Russellville
Todd County Central
West Region
---district 3
Campbellsville
Caverna
Clinton County
Danville
Glasgow
Green County
Metcalfe County
Monroe County
Washington County
---district 4
Carroll County
Christian Academy-Louisville
DeSales
Eminence
Gallatin County
Holy Cross (Louisville)
Kentucky Country Day
Owen County
Shawnee
Trimble County
North Region
---district 5
Beechwood
Bellevue
Bishop Brossart
Dayton
Holy Cross (Covington)
Lloyd Memorial
Ludlow
Newport
Newport Central Catholic
Walton-Verona
---district 6
Bath County
Bracken County
Fairview
Frankfort
Lexington Christian
Nicholas County
Paris
Raceland
West Carter
East Region
---district 7
Allen Central
Betsy Layne
Jenkins
Paintsville
Pikeville
Phelphs
Prestonsburg
Shelby Valley
South Floyd
---district 8
Berea
Harlan
Hazard
Leslie County
Lynn Camp
Middlesboro
Pineville
Somerset
Williamsburg
-----------------------------------
Class 2A
South
---district 1
Calloway County
Fort Campbell
Lone Oak
Madisonville-North Hopkins
Owensboro
Paducah Tilghman
Trigg County
Union County
Webster County
---district 2
Allen County-Scottsville
Breckinridge County
Edmonson County
Elizabethtown
Franklin-Simpson
Hart County
Larue County
North Hardin Christian
Warren East
West
---district 3
Adair County
Casey County
Corbin
Knox Central
Marion County
McCreary Central
Russell County
Taylor County
Wayne County
Whitley County
---district 4
Doss
Fairdale
Henry County
Moore
North Oldham
Spencer County
Valley
Waggener
Western
North
---district 5
Breathitt County
Clay County
Estill County
Garrard County
Jackson County
Mercer County
Perry County Central
Powell County
Rockcastle County
---district 6
Bourbon County
Cooper
Covington Catholic
Franklin County
Harrison County
Holmes
Lexington Catholic
Pendleton County
Western Hills
East
---district 7
Ashland Blazer
Boyd County
East Carter
Fleming County
Greenup County
Lawrence County
Lewis County
Mason County
Rowan County
Russell
---district 8
Belfry
East Ridge
Johnson Central
Knott County Central
Letcher County Central
Magoffin County
Morgan County
Pike County Central
Sheldon Clark
------------------------------------
Class 3A
South
---district 1
Christian County
Graves County
Hopkins County Central
Hopkinsville
Logan County
Marshall County
Muhlenberg County
Muhlenberg North
Muhlenberg South
---district 2
Apollo
Barren County
Bowling Green
Daviess County
Grayson County
Greenwood
Henderson County
Ohio County
Warren Central
West
---district 3
Boyle County
Bullitt Central
Bullitt East
Central Hardin
John Hardin
Meade County
Nelson County
North Bullitt
North Hardin
---district 4
Butler
Central
DuPont Manual
Fern Creek
Iroquois
Male
Pleasure Ridge Park
Seneca
Southern
St. Xavier
North
---district 5
Anderson County
Atherton
Ballard
Eastern
Jeffersontown
Oldham County
Shelby County
South Oldham
Trinity (Louisville)
---district 6
Boone County
Campbell County
Conner
Dixie Heights
Grant County
Highlands
Ryle
Scott
Scott County
Simon Kenton
East
---district 7
Bryan Station
East Jessamine
George Rogers Clark
Henry Clay
Lafayette
Montgomery County
Paul Laurence Dunbar
Tates Creek
West Jessamine
Woodford County
---district 8
Bell County
Harlan County
Lincoln County
Madison Central
Madison Southern
North Laurel
Pulaski County
South Laurel
Southwestern
CLASS 1A
South Region
---district 1
Ballard Memorial
Caldwell County
Crittenden County
Fulton City
Fulton County
Heath
Mayfield
Murray
Reidland
---district 2
Bardstown
Bethlehem
Butler County
Fort Knox
Hancock County
McLean County
Owensboro Catholic
Russellville
Todd County Central
West Region
---district 3
Campbellsville
Caverna
Clinton County
Danville
Glasgow
Green County
Metcalfe County
Monroe County
Washington County
---district 4
Carroll County
Christian Academy-Louisville
DeSales
Eminence
Gallatin County
Holy Cross (Louisville)
Kentucky Country Day
Owen County
Shawnee
Trimble County
North Region
---district 5
Beechwood
Bellevue
Bishop Brossart
Dayton
Holy Cross (Covington)
Lloyd Memorial
Ludlow
Newport
Newport Central Catholic
Walton-Verona
---district 6
Bath County
Bracken County
Fairview
Frankfort
Lexington Christian
Nicholas County
Paris
Raceland
West Carter
East Region
---district 7
Allen Central
Betsy Layne
Jenkins
Paintsville
Pikeville
Phelphs
Prestonsburg
Shelby Valley
South Floyd
---district 8
Berea
Harlan
Hazard
Leslie County
Lynn Camp
Middlesboro
Pineville
Somerset
Williamsburg
-----------------------------------
Class 2A
South
---district 1
Calloway County
Fort Campbell
Lone Oak
Madisonville-North Hopkins
Owensboro
Paducah Tilghman
Trigg County
Union County
Webster County
---district 2
Allen County-Scottsville
Breckinridge County
Edmonson County
Elizabethtown
Franklin-Simpson
Hart County
Larue County
North Hardin Christian
Warren East
West
---district 3
Adair County
Casey County
Corbin
Knox Central
Marion County
McCreary Central
Russell County
Taylor County
Wayne County
Whitley County
---district 4
Doss
Fairdale
Henry County
Moore
North Oldham
Spencer County
Valley
Waggener
Western
North
---district 5
Breathitt County
Clay County
Estill County
Garrard County
Jackson County
Mercer County
Perry County Central
Powell County
Rockcastle County
---district 6
Bourbon County
Cooper
Covington Catholic
Franklin County
Harrison County
Holmes
Lexington Catholic
Pendleton County
Western Hills
East
---district 7
Ashland Blazer
Boyd County
East Carter
Fleming County
Greenup County
Lawrence County
Lewis County
Mason County
Rowan County
Russell
---district 8
Belfry
East Ridge
Johnson Central
Knott County Central
Letcher County Central
Magoffin County
Morgan County
Pike County Central
Sheldon Clark
------------------------------------
Class 3A
South
---district 1
Christian County
Graves County
Hopkins County Central
Hopkinsville
Logan County
Marshall County
Muhlenberg County
Muhlenberg North
Muhlenberg South
---district 2
Apollo
Barren County
Bowling Green
Daviess County
Grayson County
Greenwood
Henderson County
Ohio County
Warren Central
West
---district 3
Boyle County
Bullitt Central
Bullitt East
Central Hardin
John Hardin
Meade County
Nelson County
North Bullitt
North Hardin
---district 4
Butler
Central
DuPont Manual
Fern Creek
Iroquois
Male
Pleasure Ridge Park
Seneca
Southern
St. Xavier
North
---district 5
Anderson County
Atherton
Ballard
Eastern
Jeffersontown
Oldham County
Shelby County
South Oldham
Trinity (Louisville)
---district 6
Boone County
Campbell County
Conner
Dixie Heights
Grant County
Highlands
Ryle
Scott
Scott County
Simon Kenton
East
---district 7
Bryan Station
East Jessamine
George Rogers Clark
Henry Clay
Lafayette
Montgomery County
Paul Laurence Dunbar
Tates Creek
West Jessamine
Woodford County
---district 8
Bell County
Harlan County
Lincoln County
Madison Central
Madison Southern
North Laurel
Pulaski County
South Laurel
Southwestern
03-17-2013, 05:28 PM
Should add, I would class all sports like this and keep the sweet 16 tradition going by allowing two teams from each district go to the state tournament but have a class a, aa and aaa tournament.
Class a basketball state championship could be in Pikeville, Corbin or Morehead
Class aa basketball could be in Bowling Green, Murray or Richmond
Class aaa basketball could be in Fort Thomas, Lexington or Louisville
Class a basketball state championship could be in Pikeville, Corbin or Morehead
Class aa basketball could be in Bowling Green, Murray or Richmond
Class aaa basketball could be in Fort Thomas, Lexington or Louisville
03-17-2013, 07:01 PM
leave 6 classes. Take top 2 teams from district. After 6 class champions have 1A vs 2A for Div 1 championship. 3A vs 4A div 2 and 5A vs 6A div 3.
03-17-2013, 08:07 PM
Bowling Green is the perfect place to have these games. Lexington is not going to happen.
03-18-2013, 12:27 AM
bball_fan Wrote:I got really bored one night and actually drew up what the districts and such would look like for all three classes...
CLASS 1A
South Region
---district 1
Ballard Memorial
Caldwell County
Crittenden County
Fulton City
Fulton County
Heath
Mayfield
Murray
Reidland
---district 2
Bardstown
Bethlehem
Butler County
Fort Knox
Hancock County
McLean County
Owensboro Catholic
Russellville
Todd County Central
West Region
---district 3
Campbellsville
Caverna
Clinton County
Danville
Glasgow
Green County
Metcalfe County
Monroe County
Washington County
---district 4
Carroll County
Christian Academy-Louisville
DeSales
Eminence
Gallatin County
Holy Cross (Louisville)
Kentucky Country Day
Owen County
Shawnee
Trimble County
North Region
---district 5
Beechwood
Bellevue
Bishop Brossart
Dayton
Holy Cross (Covington)
Lloyd Memorial
Ludlow
Newport
Newport Central Catholic
Walton-Verona
---district 6
Bath County
Bracken County
Fairview
Frankfort
Lexington Christian
Nicholas County
Paris
Raceland
West Carter
East Region
---district 7
Allen Central
Betsy Layne
Jenkins
Paintsville
Pikeville
Phelphs
Prestonsburg
Shelby Valley
South Floyd
---district 8
Berea
Harlan
Hazard
Leslie County
Lynn Camp
Middlesboro
Pineville
Somerset
Williamsburg
-----------------------------------
Class 2A
South
---district 1
Calloway County
Fort Campbell
Lone Oak
Madisonville-North Hopkins
Owensboro
Paducah Tilghman
Trigg County
Union County
Webster County
---district 2
Allen County-Scottsville
Breckinridge County
Edmonson County
Elizabethtown
Franklin-Simpson
Hart County
Larue County
North Hardin Christian
Warren East
West
---district 3
Adair County
Casey County
Corbin
Knox Central
Marion County
McCreary Central
Russell County
Taylor County
Wayne County
Whitley County
---district 4
Doss
Fairdale
Henry County
Moore
North Oldham
Spencer County
Valley
Waggener
Western
North
---district 5
Breathitt County
Clay County
Estill County
Garrard County
Jackson County
Mercer County
Perry County Central
Powell County
Rockcastle County
---district 6
Bourbon County
Cooper
Covington Catholic
Franklin County
Harrison County
Holmes
Lexington Catholic
Pendleton County
Western Hills
East
---district 7
Ashland Blazer
Boyd County
East Carter
Fleming County
Greenup County
Lawrence County
Lewis County
Mason County
Rowan County
Russell
---district 8
Belfry
East Ridge
Johnson Central
Knott County Central
Letcher County Central
Magoffin County
Morgan County
Pike County Central
Sheldon Clark
------------------------------------
Class 3A
South
---district 1
Christian County
Graves County
Hopkins County Central
Hopkinsville
Logan County
Marshall County
Muhlenberg County
Muhlenberg North
Muhlenberg South
---district 2
Apollo
Barren County
Bowling Green
Daviess County
Grayson County
Greenwood
Henderson County
Ohio County
Warren Central
West
---district 3
Boyle County
Bullitt Central
Bullitt East
Central Hardin
John Hardin
Meade County
Nelson County
North Bullitt
North Hardin
---district 4
Butler
Central
DuPont Manual
Fern Creek
Iroquois
Male
Pleasure Ridge Park
Seneca
Southern
St. Xavier
North
---district 5
Anderson County
Atherton
Ballard
Eastern
Jeffersontown
Oldham County
Shelby County
South Oldham
Trinity (Louisville)
---district 6
Boone County
Campbell County
Conner
Dixie Heights
Grant County
Highlands
Ryle
Scott
Scott County
Simon Kenton
East
---district 7
Bryan Station
East Jessamine
George Rogers Clark
Henry Clay
Lafayette
Montgomery County
Paul Laurence Dunbar
Tates Creek
West Jessamine
Woodford County
---district 8
Bell County
Harlan County
Lincoln County
Madison Central
Madison Southern
North Laurel
Pulaski County
South Laurel
Southwestern
Why did you put highlands in 3A when their enrollment is less than some of the 2A schools. Don't say travel because you also have Berea with Harlan city, which is a 3hr drive
03-18-2013, 07:16 AM
Seems like some are arguing for more classes not less. Why don't we just rotate a trophy or two to make some schools happy since they can't get it done on the field so the state will also award a mythical if private and independent schools didn't play state championship trophy
03-18-2013, 10:11 PM
Full deck Wrote:Why did you put highlands in 3A when their enrollment is less than some of the 2A schools. Don't say travel because you also have Berea with Harlan city, which is a 3hr drive
You beat me to the question. Did he just put Highlands in AAA because they are good? If going by size of schools, you would have to put Highlands in AA.
03-18-2013, 11:43 PM
I think the 3 classes sounds great! It would make winning district & regional championships so much more appreciative and respectful. And to just make the playoffs. Although maybe another class could be added making It 4. I think it would give these powerhouse schools a harder road to earn their accomplishments. And would also give some schools a greater chance to compete and see where they stand.
03-19-2013, 04:00 AM
I would put Highlands in 4A if we went to a 3A system.
03-19-2013, 07:05 AM
DonaldDuck Wrote:I think the 3 classes sounds great! It would make winning district & regional championships so much more appreciative and respectful. And to just make the playoffs. Although maybe another class could be added making It 4. I think it would give these powerhouse schools a harder road to earn their accomplishments. And would also give some schools a greater chance to compete and see where they stand.So by going from 6 classes to 3 classes it will give schools a greater chance to complete.
OK then. Would those teams also want juice boxes and orange slices at halftime?
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