[William Muney]

Breathit has the KDE crawling all over them, things are not the same they used to be. Holcomb will listen to all offers I am sure.

Just bc you return a ton of starters does not mean you will be good. UK returned a bunch this year and you see how they did.

[SPORTS FAN 101]

What about the asst coaches. Are they going to stay?

[Altro Cat]

This is a relevant and concerning point.

Nothing for PCC to worry about. I'll leave it at that.

[cougarpride08]

I am sure some will stay and some will go. Would love to have Terry Howard on staff.

[tcb]

YES!!! That is what LCC needs. Another legend with a stadium named for him. The last one that had that prestigious honor did pretty darn good in Cougar country.

[Booya]

Success at the middle school level doesn't necessarily translate to success at the high school level. If the players at LCC had poor fundamentals and problems learning systems in high school that's probably because they weren't taught these things at the middle school level. I think if LCC fans would worry more about a coach's ability and less if he's likable guy they might be able to keep coaches. Nick Saban is a perfect example. He's not the most likable guy in coaching but Alabama let him go through a few lean years when he got there and he built them into a perennial national championship contender. You can't keep getting on here and blasting coaches that have proven they can win at other schools just because he isn't a nice guy. I'd much rather have a coach that can win than one that everybody likes. But I don't see why any coach that can go somewhere else would take this job because he has from his hire date until the first game to be their favorite and then after that he's the worst coach in the country according to a bunch of people on here. Whitaker and Raines were both proven winners that LCC fans drug through the mud until they couldn't stand to put up with the crap anymore and left before they had a chance to install their program. It takes about 3 years for any coach to really get going, longer if the feeder programs refuse to get on board so that the high school coach has to teach the basics and start from scratch when they get into high school. Look at the successful programs, they run the same thing from peewee to high school, they also don't have a bunch of mommies and daddies on BGR complaining because someone yelled at their babies. If you all couldn't handle these guys I'd hate to see a coach like some in EKY that are really loud and vocal to kids when they make mistakes. Winning takes time, you can't compare every coach to the one that was there a few years ago. I'm guessing if he thought they'd be good for a few more years he might have stayed a couple more years but since he left it leads me to believe he also thought they'd be down that's why he left on top rather than wait a couple of years when all the kids were new or young. These LCC posts are the First Take of BGR constant nonsense spouted by people with little knowledge of the game.

[The_Rock]

Mike Holcomb will never leave Breathitt.

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
Thats said about every coach whos been at a program for a long time.
Im sure Bell fans thought Dudley would retire there....

[Fly Like a Duck]

^^^Well, he did technically...from teaching.

Anybody know how many years Holcomb has left before he can retire from teaching? I thought he already had his 27 years in; to be honest, I thought he was right at or within a year of having 30 in?

[cougarpride08]

Guys I really do hope Mike gets it. We need someone who will help these young men. You guys think that Whitaker and Raines would have worked if we gave them time? One didn't have the speaking skills of a Billie goat, and the other thought we was too dumb, and he bailed out on us. So I think we have a reason to want someone that these kids can look up to, and also modivate them now in the weight room.

[footballfan73]

well said cp08.

[Altro Cat]

^^^Well, he did technically...from teaching.

Anybody know how many years Holcomb has left before he can retire from teaching? I thought he already had his 27 years in; to be honest, I thought he was right at or within a year of having 30 in?

Mike already has more than 30 years. Started at Breathitt in 81 I believe or maybe earlier than that.

[cherokee]

Guys I really do hope Mike gets it. We need someone who will help these young men. You guys think that Whitaker and Raines would have worked if we gave them time? One didn't have the speaking skills of a Billie goat, and the other thought we was too dumb, and he bailed out on us. So I think we have a reason to want someone that these kids can look up to, and also modivate them now in the weight room.

Nick Saban couldn't win at LCC, do you ever thing that you have a horrible feeder system, talent pool that is down, and parents blowing smoke up their kids butts telling them how great they are and how stupid the coach is, when they should have been teaching their kids about leadership and team work and unity. Yeah this goes on, I sat in the stands even before Whitaker became head coach and listen to the parents cut him and talking about how the job should have been given to Larry Maggard (whom was part of this year staff and a failure at Jenkins as a head coach). I remember setting beside a parent dogging the coach one night and 2 consecutive TD passes dropped in the end zone by his son, right in his hands but it was still the coachs fault. LCC was formed out of three schools after the 2004 season, those schools in 04 were ( Fleming Neon 0-10), (Letcher 0-10) and ( Whitesburg 2-8) really. Other than Whitesburg being a less than average 2A team their has not been a whole lot of success in that county. Hillard Howard did a good job but it took him 3 years to field a good team, his first 2 year he had a total of 8 wins, 6 of these wins came by beating Evarts,Estill and Evangel Christian. Ozz Jackson the atheletic director is a class guy, that has tried his best to bring in the best coachs available for LCC. If Halcomb comes to LCC, I hope he can turn it around, but it will take some time, and attitude change on the part of the parents, along with adjusting the feeder system to meet the needs of the high schools future. Those people that think Paul Rains and Mike Whitaker are bad coachs must have a hidden agenda against them personally, because their success speaks for it's self. LCC i believe has one more chance to land a top coach, should it not work out again then good luck ever getting another chance. The eyes have turned away from the bad coaching excuses at LCC, so will you blame Halcomb or say he is a bad coach if he don't win in his first 2 season?

[Fly Like a Duck]

Mike already has more than 30 years. Started at Breathitt in 81 I believe or maybe earlier than that.

That's what I was thinking.

They could definitely save a lot of money going with him by not having to get a teaching job, too. On the flip side, unless there are a lot of assistants in the building, they might want their HC in the building as well? Then again, I think the value of that isn't as big as what's thought to be believed either. It's just the common thing to say.

But, being retired could mean he could actually come in, roam the halls and actually be more visible than just being stuck at the end of one hall like most all teachers.

I know some head coaches who are "in the building", and maybe only see a handfull of their players all day long. But....^^^ sounds good.

However, being "in the building", and having a weight lifting class that's offereed to all athletes (highest percentage kids who are most likely to come out for football if they aren't already), and lunchroom duty (where you literally are visible to the entire student body everyday)? Now, those are some things that actually put some validity to being "in the building."

[enknight84]

^^^Well, he did technically...from teaching.

Anybody know how many years Holcomb has left before he can retire from teaching? I thought he already had his 27 years in; to be honest, I thought he was right at or within a year of having 30 in?

He doesn't turn 55 until the end of October this year. He has enough years to retire though. He would draw more if he waits until he turns 55. It's a pretty big cut if you go early.

[Altro Cat]

They could definitely save a lot of money going with him by not having to get a teaching job, too.

If they are really offering what I have been told they offered him they will not be saving any money.

[RunItUpTheGut]

He doesn't turn 55 until the end of October this year. He has enough years to retire though. He would draw more if he waits until he turns 55. It's a pretty big cut if you go early.

From what im hearing now with buyouts around this area is you pretty much get your insurance paid for. After that, you draw next to nothing. The only way someone would be able to retire early is if they let you draw unemployment while your job paid for the insurance.
If you cant do that, its nearly impossible to retire early with the economy.

[Yogibear]

No coach with that type of pedigree is going to come cheap. To get a guy of that caliber, they'll pay.

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
They can only pay the max.
Unless boosters slip coaches some extra cash or something, you can only pay a coach so much.

[redhound93]

Success at the middle school level doesn't necessarily translate to success at the high school level. If the players at LCC had poor fundamentals and problems learning systems in high school that's probably because they weren't taught these things at the middle school level. I think if LCC fans would worry more about a coach's ability and less if he's likable guy they might be able to keep coaches. Nick Saban is a perfect example. He's not the most likable guy in coaching but Alabama let him go through a few lean years when he got there and he built them into a perennial national championship contender. You can't keep getting on here and blasting coaches that have proven they can win at other schools just because he isn't a nice guy. I'd much rather have a coach that can win than one that everybody likes. But I don't see why any coach that can go somewhere else would take this job because he has from his hire date until the first game to be their favorite and then after that he's the worst coach in the country according to a bunch of people on here. Whitaker and Raines were both proven winners that LCC fans drug through the mud until they couldn't stand to put up with the crap anymore and left before they had a chance to install their program. It takes about 3 years for any coach to really get going, longer if the feeder programs refuse to get on board so that the high school coach has to teach the basics and start from scratch when they get into high school. Look at the successful programs, they run the same thing from peewee to high school, they also don't have a bunch of mommies and daddies on BGR complaining because someone yelled at their babies. If you all couldn't handle these guys I'd hate to see a coach like some in EKY that are really loud and vocal to kids when they make mistakes. Winning takes time, you can't compare every coach to the one that was there a few years ago. I'm guessing if he thought they'd be good for a few more years he might have stayed a couple more years but since he left it leads me to believe he also thought they'd be down that's why he left on top rather than wait a couple of years when all the kids were new or young. These LCC posts are the First Take of BGR constant nonsense spouted by people with little knowledge of the game.

The first part of this comment is very true.

At Corbin, their incoming juniors and seniors won state titles or were runner up. Seniors were back to back runner up, and juniors were back to back state champs in middle school. Now they will be lucky to get past Bell County then you can forget about getting around Central.

[Cellking]

Mike was at breathitt as Dudley's Asst. Coach for a Couple years, about 79 or 80. I was at Leslie during this time.

[footballfever]

Isn't Randy Frazier from Whitesburg? Would he be interested in coming home or would he even be considered?

[Bear_Paw]

Frazier has been passed over twice. IMHO he has a better job. He is very well liked where he is. Middlesboro is now competing again. They're not gonna let him go easy.

[Bear_Paw]

If Holcomb doesn't come LCC would be well served to get an up an come assistant, get behind him and give him a shot.

[cherokee]

The first part of this comment is very true.

At Corbin, their incoming juniors and seniors won state titles or were runner up. Seniors were back to back runner up, and juniors were back to back state champs in middle school. Now they will be lucky to get past Bell County then you can forget about getting around Central.

Whayne county may be the best team in the district

[Fly Like a Duck]

The first part of this comment is very true.

At Corbin, their incoming juniors and seniors won state titles or were runner up. Seniors were back to back runner up, and juniors were back to back state champs in middle school. Now they will be lucky to get past Bell County then you can forget about getting around Central.

From looking at the scores this past year, before they worry about Bell and Central, they better worry about Larue County. Larue beat Corbin worse than anybody all year with the exception of Bell County.

Not to hijack the thread, but Corbin will be back. Heck, they were a good team this year. I never understood all of the 'down' talk, especially bc of what you pointed out Redhound about how successful their Seniors and Junior were.

They just came up short a few games, literally. Corbin was 4 plays (4 losses by a TD or less) away from everybody in the state talking about them, again.

[Fly Like a Duck]

^
They can only pay the max.
Unless boosters slip coaches some extra cash or something, you can only pay a coach so much.

By law, they have to pay the Head football coach the same stipend as the boys basketball coach (and, girls basketball coach I believe). Anybody actually know what Rains' football HC stipend was?

I'm guessing it had to be in upwards of 10-15K as a flat rate; or close to 10K + a handful or two of extended days. Anybody?

[Yogibear]

By law, they have to pay the Head football coach the same stipend as the boys basketball coach (and, girls basketball coach I believe). Anybody actually know what Rains' football HC stipend was?

I'm guessing it had to be in upwards of 10-15K as a flat rate; or close to 10K + a handful or two of extended days. Anybody?

The stipend will be of little issue.

[Fly Like a Duck]

The stipend will be of little issue.

Oh, I doubt that one bit, I'd just like to know what it's at to kill the curiosity.

[Strikeout King]

Guys Holcomb isn't leaving the Bobcats. If he really wanted out of Breathitt he would have taken the Madison Central job a few years back. If a miracle happens that Holcomb does end up taking the Letcher job then I will be very shocked!