[Truth]

To your two regions, I would add the 11th Region, the 9th Region (most years), and probably a few more. The 16th Region is not considered a strong region by most unbiased observers.

The Ashland tournament, like most others, pairs in an effort to assist the local school. They also don't play any other local team in the first round. They play the weakest of the out of area schools. There is nothing wrong with that because it helps insure a crowd and everyone knows it is done that way. Russell appears to have a good bit stronger opponent in the first round than does Ashland.

Fleming County plays a stronger overall schedule than does Russell or Ashland. That will help them at tournament time. Still, it is highly unlikely that any of them will be ready for the better teams in the state.

[UPIKEFAN]

You can add the 9th but you'd be wrong. With the exception of Holmes, the 9th usually stinks. And CovCath won't come out of the ninth. For someone who is so opinionated, I'd think you'd do your homework.

[tomcatfan722000]

If there talking about you it's cause they respect you. I have alway thought the 16th got a bad rep as a bad basketball conference. I believe the two regions Mike Flynn won he drew lex Cath both times. Morgan county an Elliot county had some really good teams and as you said Elliot and Rowan have both played on the final day with Rowan a overtime away from a championship. Also didn't Russell win a game or 2 at Rupp when Vanhoose was there? I'm not sure.

[Patch]

I don't think they won any while Vanhoose was there, actually they got beat pretty bad that trip his junior year and I think that is the only trip they had while he was there.

[Patch]

Lost 42-27.

[Truth]

You can add the 9th but you'd be wrong. With the exception of Holmes, the 9th usually stinks. And CovCath won't come out of the ninth. For someone who is so opinionated, I'd think you'd do your homework.

You are entitled to your opinion. Actually, most observers aren't very impressed with your 15th Region either. If CovCath, a team superior to any of your 15th Region teams, won't win the 9th Region, it sounds like you are admitting that the 9th Region trumps your boys. I know you boys up there are still smarting from the thumping CovCath gave Johnson Central in football. Maybe that is the reason for your hostility.

[Truth]

If there talking about you it's cause they respect you. I have alway thought the 16th got a bad rep as a bad basketball conference. I believe the two regions Mike Flynn won he drew lex Cath both times. Morgan county an Elliot county had some really good teams and as you said Elliot and Rowan have both played on the final day with Rowan a overtime away from a championship. Also didn't Russell win a game or 2 at Rupp when Vanhoose was there? I'm not sure.

Your defense of your region is good. However, whether fair or not, the 16th Region is not held in high regard around the state. Since you go clear back to Flynn, over ten years, it should be mentioned that one of the highest regarded teams to come out of your region recently was Rose Hill with Mayo. Of course, I do understand that Ashland fans still smart from the Mayo Era and are unlikely to mention it.

[Patch]

The year that they made it to state Rose Hill won two games, right? I cannot remember.

[FBALL]

Russell only won the region Vanhoose's junior year. His senior year he injured his knee in the district and Elliott County beat them in the regional final.

[Truth]

The year that they made it to state Rose Hill won two games, right? I cannot remember.

I believe they won one game. They lost in the second round to Louisville Ballard in a fairly close game. My point is that they came into the tournament as one of the higher regarded teams. I believe Mason County, Ballard, and Rose Hill were considered the top teams (Mason Co. beat Ballard for the championship). That pre-tournament respect is usually not afforded to the eastern regions.

No disrespect for your region or regions is intended.

[Patch]

Mason had a nice run there for a few years, having players like Miller and Lofton didn't hurt either, haha.

[FBALL]

Mason is in the 10th

[FBALL]

Nevermind

[Patch]

I was just talking in general about the teams that were in the State Tournament the year that Rose Hill made it on the boys side. Sorry.

[FBALL]

I didnt read the post before it. Made sense after that. That's why I put Nevermind. My bad.

[Leaping Lee]

To your two regions, I would add the 11th Region, the 9th Region (most years), and probably a few more. The 16th Region is not considered a strong region by most unbiased observers.

The Ashland tournament, like most others, pairs in an effort to assist the local school. They also don't play any other local team in the first round. They play the weakest of the out of area schools. There is nothing wrong with that because it helps insure a crowd and everyone knows it is done that way. Russell appears to have a good bit stronger opponent in the first round than does Ashland.

Fleming County plays a stronger overall schedule than does Russell or Ashland. That will help them at tournament time. Still, it is highly unlikely that any of them will be ready for the better teams in the state.

Truth, nobody is saying the 16th region one of the stronger regions in the state but to act like they are bottom feeders is simply foolish when you consider the recent success the region has enjoyed in Lexington. Granted from top to bottom it isn't in the same ballpark as the 6th, 7th, or 11th regions. But in most years the 16th stacks up will with most of the rest of the state.

As for Flemings schedule, if they are the best team and they play the toughest schedule and as you say it won't help them then what's matter who any of them play?

[UPIKEFAN]

You are entitled to your opinion. Actually, most observers aren't very impressed with your 15th Region either. If CovCath, a team superior to any of your 15th Region teams, won't win the 9th Region, it sounds like you are admitting that the 9th Region trumps your boys. I know you boys up there are still smarting from the thumping CovCath gave Johnson Central in football. Maybe that is the reason for your hostility.

Not hostile at all. Tired of reading your condescending baloney. As for the 9th, they are historically overrated. Feel free to check their record in Rupp, since you seem bent on using that as the end all measuring stick. CovCath isn't the favorite. NCC or Cooper perhaps, but you should know that because you know these things.

As for my region, we have a better shot than you this year with Johnson Central. Other than that we are weak. We had Shelby Valley who won it all, far better than your 16th, as you've admitted with the fluke run by Rowan in your opinion because of their cushy draw.

While I don't know you, I suspect you are a bitter old man, jaded by something you feel was owed you, yet you didn't receive. And you get the UPIKEFAN psychological profile for free!

Spare us the lecture about how there's no competition from your region or mine. In the past decade your region has done well in Rupp. But you know that, along with Ovinton Mayo's jock size.

[Truth]

Oh my goodness. I seem to have inadvertently hit a nerve with our friend from Pikeville College. He does seem to put his spin on what I am actually saying. And, of course, that is his right to do so.:dontthink

[Patch]

Seems like to me that there are lots of things that factor into how well a team does at the Sweet 16. Draw of course is one of them, and since there is no seeding that really has a huge effect on the tournament. And while Rowan did benefit from the draw, they also played very well due in large part to excellent guard play. Momenteum is key too, I remember many years ago Greenup coming out of the 16th Region with a terrible record and won a game down there, against Pikeville I beleive. No matter what though, Kentucky has a really unique format and I think it works pretty well.

[Truth]

Patch is correct. The variables like draw, time of play, and lack of seeding, and one team (weak and strong) from each region add to the mystic of the tournament. And, there is always the chance of a Cinderella team going deep into the tournament.

For example, it surprised most everyone when Rowan County, a relatively lightly regarded team, made it to the championship two years ago. On the other hand, no one was really surprised when Louisville Trinity walked through the tournament last year. All in all, it makes for an interesting few days and is a good diversion from the real world problems of the day.

[lionman]

Elliott county has really stepped up in the rankings i believe, if you have watched them in the last 5 games they have came together as a team and showed what they can accomplish in the region. they had a close game with east the second game of the year and lost in over-time by 1 on a last second shot. Elliott county will be the team to beat in the 62 district and could make a run come time for region

[HD28]

Elliott county has really stepped up in the rankings i believe, if you have watched them in the last 5 games they have came together as a team and showed what they can accomplish in the region. they had a close game with east the second game of the year and lost in over-time by 1 on a last second shot. Elliott county will be the team to beat in the 62 district and could make a run come time for region

Oh Lord...not this again....o:igiveup:

[Leaping Lee]

Elliott county has really stepped up in the rankings i believe, if you have watched them in the last 5 games they have came together as a team and showed what they can accomplish in the region. they had a close game with east the second game of the year and lost in over-time by 1 on a last second shot. Elliott county will be the team to beat in the 62 district and could make a run come time for region

I like Elliott's team but Morgan is the favorite in te 62nd. Elliott is dangerous because of their style of play, they will shoot it from anywhere at anytime. The negative to that is it makes it very tough to win 3 games in Morehead playing like your hair is on fire.

[TheSkipper]

Lionman, no offense but Elliott wil be the 3rd/4th seed in the 62nd. Morgan will win the district. They beat West at West by 11. And Elliott at Eliott by 16.

[RoyTheBoy]

Elliott's last 5 games: Phelps (1-8), Rose Hill (1-11), Fairview (7-5), Owsley County (6-6), and West Carter (1-9). 5 wins over teams that are collectively 16-39.

[Leaping Lee]

Elliott's last 5 games: Phelps (1-8), Rose Hill (1-11), Fairview (7-5), Owsley County (6-6), and West Carter (1-9). 5 wins over teams that are collectively 16-39.

Though they are over teams with bad records, a win is a win. Elliott is moving in the right direction. Flannery, Nickel, Holbrook, all 3 Griffiths, and Porter can all shoot the ball from deep.

[tomcatfan722000]

Your defense of your region is good. However, whether fair or not, the 16th Region is not held in high regard around the state. Since you go clear back to Flynn, over ten years, it should be mentioned that one of the highest regarded teams to come out of your region recently was Rose Hill with Mayo. Of course, I do understand that Ashland fans still smart from the Mayo Era and are unlikely to mention it.

I didn't mention the mayo era because If I'm not mistaken those seasons were taken off the books correct?

[Truth]

I didn't mention the mayo era because If I'm not mistaken those seasons were taken off the books correct?

Only by Ashland fans.

[16th Lion]

There is several factors that go into it, #1 being population of area to draw kids from, ex: 6th, 7th, 11th regions. #2 having a group of solid players together for several years growing up playing together against better comp. to make them better, usually during the summer ex: Elliott Co, Shelby Co. #3 Having an Elite level player to put the team over the top ex: Rose Hill, Mason Co. I know everybody thinks this kid and that kid from their area is elite but don't get confused there aren't that many of them if not nationally a top 100-150 kid and thats a strech. this applys to all regions in terms of weak or strong.

[16th Lion]

now back onto this thread

Fleming
Ashland or Russell we'll see tonight in what order

then everybody else falls in place with possablity of having a really good game and getting one of the 3, besides the bottom dwellers