[Pulp Fiction]

Can somebody please (using factual support/evidence) answer this question for me...

Why is it when a person/family/church/business takes a Biblical stance For or Against an issue/topic, the rest of society percieve's their stance to be "Hateful" towards that issue??

Example... When a business speaks out about gay marriage being an abomination as mentioned in the Bible (Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 18:22-24, Romans 1:26-27, Genesis 19:4-5) the supporters for gay rights make it out to be like they are being sentenced to life in prison without parole.... And then, that person/family/church/business is labeled Hateful for not accepting their way of life. Even though WE are taught it is wrong. I just can't understand why Non-Acceptance by a person/church/family/business is viewed as being "Hateful". And I just used this for an example, there are countless other topics/issues I could have used, but this one seems to be the biggest news maker.


Christianity IS NOT Hateful/Radical/Obscene..... True Christian's want to see everybody be saved before they die, cause we love everybody, we may not agree with your life choices/lifestyle, but that doesn't mean we don't love you; No matter how much the world hates US. And yes, I realize not everybody believes the Bible... and that's your choice. Nobody on this earth can make somebody believe the Bible if they don't want to. Our responsibility is to witness to the unsaved and hopefully sew the seed in their hearts; Jesus will take care of the rest.

"Sin will take further than you wanted to go. Keep you longer than you wanted to stay. And cost you more than you can afford to pay."
Lowell Webb

[WideMiddle03]

people from that religious standpoint don't have an open mind. they are intolerant and need to be more acceptiong of other people's beliefs

[Pulp Fiction]

Maybe you read that post above and have questions about Jesus.... Please PM me and I will do my best to answer them for you. If I can't answer them right away, I promise you I will get them answered correctly for you in a timely manner.

(Im fighting back tears as I post this.... feels like Im giving an alter call) Somebody needs to see that post. There's hope in Jesus.... Im not gonna sit down and start typing this for no reason. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

My intentions for this thread was to see if anybody could answer why Non-Acceptance was looked at as Hateful. But Jesus has totally changed the meaning of this thread.


If your a BGR member or not... Jesus Loves You. He died for You. He arose on the 3rd day for You. He accended to Heaven to prepare a place for You. And He will save You from your sins. All you have to do is call on His name. It's a free gift. He'll take what ever is holding you back.... And replace it with something 1000X better than what you think is worth holding on to.

In March of 2000, He took my 68 year old Grandfather who was a 3 pack a day smoker and a 20+ year alcoholic to being a Deacon in the church and hasn't touched a cigarette or anytype of alcohol since the day he got saved. Now he is 80 and never misses a church service. Folks, thats what the Lord can do. If He Saves you... He will keep you. It's not easy. I'd be lying if I told you it is, everything doesn't go your way. Everything doesn't always fall into place.

But if I had a choice that I could make, to be rich or to be saved.... I'd have to remember all the times I've needed the Lord. He's never failed me yet. Friends/Family have let me down; But not Jesus.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Very good questions.
Id like to see our reident athiest answer these.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

people from that religious standpoint don't have an open mind. they are intolerant and need to be more acceptiong of other people's beliefs

If one has strong beliefs based upon indisputable Judeo-Christian teachings, why should that person have an "open mind"? In such a case, an open mind is an empty mind. Why should one be more "accepting" of the beliefs of others?

And, in reality, I believe that, if you do your homework, you will find that those who are deserving of your indictment are those who attack Christianity for its tenets of the sanctity of human life, condemnation of same sex relationships, and requirement of personal responsibility.

[Pulp Fiction]

Just incase somebody doesn't know.....

You will NOT get to Heaven being a "good person". No matter who tells you different, remember that Pulp Fiction on BGR told you this.

YOU HAVE TO BE SAVED..... WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB!!! There is NO OTHER WAY you will get in to Heaven.

And yes, 1,000,000 (that's 1 million) years from now, you will be somebody, someplace. There is only 2 places you will be. Heaven or Hell. I know that's not popular to say, but it's the truth.

[TheRealThing]

Can somebody please (using factual support/evidence) answer this question for me...

Why is it when a person/family/church/business takes a Biblical stance For or Against an issue/topic, the rest of society percieve's their stance to be "Hateful" towards that issue??Example... When a business speaks out about gay marriage being an abomination as mentioned in the Bible (Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 18:22-24, Romans 1:26-27, Genesis 19:4-5) the supporters for gay rights make it out to be like they are being sentenced to life in prison without parole.... And then, that person/family/church/business is labeled Hateful for not accepting their way of life. Even though WE are taught it is wrong. I just can't understand why Non-Acceptance by a person/church/family/business is viewed as being "Hateful". And I just used this for an example, there are countless other topics/issues I could have used, but this one seems to be the biggest news maker.


Christianity IS NOT Hateful/Radical/Obscene..... True Christian's want to see everybody be saved before they die, cause we love everybody, we may not agree with your life choices/lifestyle, but that doesn't mean we don't love you; No matter how much the world hates US. And yes, I realize not everybody believes the Bible... and that's your choice. Nobody on this earth can make somebody believe the Bible if they don't want to. Our responsibility is to witness to the unsaved and hopefully sew the seed in their hearts; Jesus will take care of the rest.

"Sin will take further than you wanted to go. Keep you longer than you wanted to stay. And cost you more than you can afford to pay."
Lowell Webb

I can tell you why I think they do it. Our nation reveres tolerance above all else. The democrat party is celebration of folks that claim unrestrained acceptance of any and all 'special interest groups'. Everything from animal rights advocates, who would like to see folks who enjoy fried chicken for Sunday dinner charged with murder, the environmentalist crowd, which has our national energy and economic future in jeopardy, to gay rights and socio political activists who push the views of social justice. They accept the Hindu, the Muslim, the Hari Krishna, the Buddist, the atheist, even the socialist. The one group they will not tolerate are the Christians. To admit the existence of God means one has to accept the inevitable date with His judgement. Which, of course, is a topic of some discomfort. Consider what Christ said eons ago by way of prophetic text in the scriptures; (I have bolded the part of emphasis but, left the rest for context) As you will recall, verse one was quoted by Christ on the cross thousands of years into the future.

Psalm 22:1-8 (KJV)
1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

The inhabitants of Jerusalem had contempt for the Lord as He hung on the cross. They jeered him, shooting out their lips. The same is true today, some folks jeer Him and some have contempt for Him. All will bow before Him, however. As long as folks don't have to face their sin they will treat you like gold, force them to face the spector of the coming judgement of Christ, and you will get the kind of treatment you have outlined in your post above.

[WideMiddle03]

for the record i believe in God and Jesus i just don't think people from churches have open minds. they are intolerant of other religions and other viewpoints philosopically and politically

[TheRealThing]

for the record i believe in God and Jesus i just don't think people from churches have open minds. they are intolerant of other religions and other viewpoints philosopically and politically

Great, so you think people from churches should have open minds. The only problem with that, as I see it, is that all religious roads don't lead to heaven. :biggrin:

Acts 4:10-12 (KJV)
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

I'm not seeing a lot of room for open mindedness in this statement. Accepting folks is one thing, accepting their view of other gods on equal terms with the Living God is not scriptural. Taking a stand on such issues usually isn't popular and costs the Christian some social standing but, when we stand before Him, being open minded is like the old saying about being close, "it only counts in horse shoes."

[Harry Rex Vonner]

for the record i believe in God and Jesus i just don't think people from churches have open minds. they are intolerant of other religions and other viewpoints philosopically and politically

I don't entirely disagree with your position. While I don't believe that one must, or should, give credibility to political philosophies which are clearly in conflict with that persons long held beliefs, I agree that too many alleged Christians who seem to think that their church (denomination) has all the correct answers and that the others are wrong. That is arrogant on their part.

Personally, I believe Christianity would be far more effective with less emphasis on being "good" Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, etc. and more emphasis on following the teachings of Christ. From what I can ascertain, neither Christ nor his disciples were tied to any of those denominations.

Over and over, the Bible emphasizes sacrificing and helping the needy. I have never seen ski trips for the youth group or family life centers (ie: gymnasiums) or shopping trips for the "seniors" mentioned in the Scriptures. I believe these overly organized and exclusive churches tell much about themselves when they head out on a bus for a youth or senior trip and ignore all the poverty and need they pass on the way to the beach, ski slopes, or shopping centers.

[TheRealVille]

Very good questions.
Id like to see our reident athiest answer these.

I haven't saw an atheist on this board.

[TheRealVille]

Can somebody please (using factual support/evidence) answer this question for me...

Why is it when a person/family/church/business takes a Biblical stance For or Against an issue/topic, the rest of society percieve's their stance to be "Hateful" towards that issue??

Example... When a business speaks out about gay marriage being an abomination as mentioned in the Bible (Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 18:22-24, Romans 1:26-27, Genesis 19:4-5) the supporters for gay rights make it out to be like they are being sentenced to life in prison without parole.... And then, that person/family/church/business is labeled Hateful for not accepting their way of life. Even though WE are taught it is wrong. I just can't understand why Non-Acceptance by a person/church/family/business is viewed as being "Hateful". And I just used this for an example, there are countless other topics/issues I could have used, but this one seems to be the biggest news maker.


Christianity IS NOT Hateful/Radical/Obscene..... True Christian's want to see everybody be saved before they die, cause we love everybody, we may not agree with your life choices/lifestyle, but that doesn't mean we don't love you; No matter how much the world hates US. And yes, I realize not everybody believes the Bible... and that's your choice. Nobody on this earth can make somebody believe the Bible if they don't want to. Our responsibility is to witness to the unsaved and hopefully sew the seed in their hearts; Jesus will take care of the rest.

"Sin will take further than you wanted to go. Keep you longer than you wanted to stay. And cost you more than you can afford to pay."
Lowell Webb

The problem starts when christians try to interject/impose their beliefs on the rest of the population, and make laws to that effect. Believe what you want to believe, but don't try to force government to make laws that affect people that don't believe that way. America isn't a religious nation, but a nation that has religious people, not all, but some. Practice your belief all you want, but don't push it on the government, or it's citizens and you will be fine.

[TheRealThing]

]The problem starts when christians try to interject/impose their beliefs on the rest of the population[/B], and make laws to that effect. Believe what you want to believe, but don't try to force government to make laws that affect people that don't believe that way. America isn't a religious nation, but a nation that has religious people, not all, but some. Practice your belief all you want, but don't push it on the government, or it's citizens and you will be fine.

Christians don't do that anyway. However, how about outlining the specific problems you have noticed as a result of christians imposing their beliefs on the rest of the population? And/or what laws have been enacted to that end?

[WideRight05]

The problem starts when christians try to interject/impose their beliefs on the rest of the population, and make laws to that effect. Believe what you want to believe, but don't try to force government to make laws that affect people that don't believe that way. America isn't a religious nation, but a nation that has religious people, not all, but some. Practice your belief all you want, but don't push it on the government, or it's citizens and you will be fine.

And liberals don't force their beliefs on people? Government doesn't do that? The sad thing is that they claim they are doing it "in the name of tolerance." They certainly don't have a problem with muslim prayers or hindu prayers, but no way should Christianity be accepted. That is offensive.

The Bible even says (I believe it's in Titus or Timothy - TRT would probably know) that faith cannot be forced. Nobody is forcing faith on anybody. In fact, if things keep going like they are, we will be down to the level of the countries that are arresting people simply for having faith.

As a very wise person I know said, "it's a war between good and evil disguised as politics."

[Pulp Fiction]

I said this in a few threads already, but I'll say it again.

I am NOT Religious! Religion hurts.
I have Salvation..... There is a big difference.

[Pulp Fiction]

Some religions will tell people they have to travel around before they can be saved... and that's not true on any level. You can be in church, in a movie theater, eating at McDonalds or wherever..... but when Jesus knocks on your hearts door... You'd better answer.

[judgementday]

Can somebody please (using factual support/evidence) answer this question for me...

Why is it when a person/family/church/business takes a Biblical stance For or Against an issue/topic, the rest of society percieve's their stance to be "Hateful" towards that issue??
Example... When a business speaks out about gay marriage being an abomination as mentioned in the Bible (Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 18:22-24, Romans 1:26-27, Genesis 19:4-5) the supporters for gay rights make it out to be like they are being sentenced to life in prison without parole.... And then, that person/family/church/business is labeled Hateful for not accepting their way of life. Even though WE are taught it is wrong. I just can't understand why Non-Acceptance by a person/church/family/business is viewed as being "Hateful". And I just used this for an example, there are countless other topics/issues I could have used, but this one seems to be the biggest news maker.


Christianity IS NOT Hateful/Radical/Obscene..... True Christian's want to see everybody be saved before they die, cause we love everybody, we may not agree with your life choices/lifestyle, but that doesn't mean we don't love you; No matter how much the world hates US. And yes, I realize not everybody believes the Bible... and that's your choice. Nobody on this earth can make somebody believe the Bible if they don't want to. Our responsibility is to witness to the unsaved and hopefully sew the seed in their hearts; Jesus will take care of the rest.

"Sin will take further than you wanted to go. Keep you longer than you wanted to stay. And cost you more than you can afford to pay."
Lowell Webb

Because of people from the Westboro Baptist Church who preach hate but yet claim the Christian faith...

People who do not know Christian beliefs think that all Christians must be like Westboro.

[Pulp Fiction]

Because of people from the Westboro Baptist Church who preach hate but yet claim the Christian faith...

People who do not know Christian beliefs think that all Christians must be like Westboro.

Refresh my memory about the Westboro Baptist Church?

[WideMiddle03]

Great, so you think people from churches should have open minds. The only problem with that, as I see it, is that all religious roads don't lead to heaven. :biggrin:

Acts 4:10-12 (KJV)
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

I'm not seeing a lot of room for open mindedness in this statement. Accepting folks is one thing, accepting their view of other gods on equal terms with the Living God is not scriptural. Taking a stand on such issues usually isn't popular and costs the Christian some social standing but, when we stand before Him, being open minded is like the old saying about being close, "it only counts in horse shoes."

ya but the Bible also says to be nice to others and aceept their viewpoint. this is the second post you have attacked of mine in the poltiical thread i am offended

[Pulp Fiction]

ya but the Bible also says to be nice to others and aceept their viewpoint. this is the second post you have attacked of mine in the poltiical thread i am offended

Please provide the scripture(s) you are refering to from the Bible.

[judgementday]

Refresh my memory about the Westboro Baptist Church?

They take bus trips to funerals of soliders with signs that read "God Hates Fags"...

[Pulp Fiction]

^
I can't speak for that church nor can I answer why they do what they do.

But God does call homosexuality an abomination. I've cited several different scriptures from the Bible to back it up as well.


Jesus doesn't hate anybody. As a matter of fact, He died for the homosexual. Yes, Jesus hates the act of homosexuality. But He doesn't not hate the homosexual person.

[TheRealThing]

ya but the Bible also says to be nice to others and aceept their viewpoint. this is the second post you have attacked of mine in the poltiical thread i am offended

I was being nice to you. Nowhere does the bible say I am to accept a viewpoint from others that contradict the truths of scripture. Let me demonstrate my point. Remember Marshall Applewhite and the 'religious' group he founded known as Heaven's Gate? He taught his followers they would ascend up into a spaceship someday. Then one dark day and in anticipation of that event, the Comet Hale-Bopp was approaching in relatively close proximity to earth and Applewhite thought there was a spaceship traveling in it's shadow to avoid detection.

Applewhite somehow convinced the mass suicide of his followers so that their spirits could be transported to another world by that secret spaceship. God doesn't expect His children to accept viewpoints like the Applewhites had. Rather, He expects those that know the truth to point folks in the right direction. I have already done exactly that in my previous post. It was not my intention to offend you however, I disagree with your conclusions. Christians are the most forgiving and accepting folks out there. The people Pulp Fiction mentioned have an ax to grind with christianity in general and are offended by the name of Jesus Christ.

[judgementday]

^
I can't speak for that church nor can I answer why they do what they do.

But God does call homosexuality an abomination. I've cited several different scriptures from the Bible to back it up as well.


Jesus doesn't hate anybody. As a matter of fact, He died for the homosexual. Yes, Jesus hates the act of homosexuality. But He doesn't not hate the homosexual person.

I don't care either way, I was just answering your original post with what I think is one of the reasons why. Congregations like Westboro give religious groups, especially Christian bad publicity.

But to expand on your original post and offer another reason, IMO Christians are judgemental people. Maybe not all of them but at least 50%. To me this is the #1 reason that turn people away from Christianity. But again, that is just my IMO.

[Pulp Fiction]

I was being nice to you. Nowhere does the bible say I am to accept a viewpoint from others that contradict the truths of scripture. Let me demonstrate my point. Remember Marshall Applewhite and the 'religious' group he founded known as Heaven's Gate? He taught his followers they would ascend up into a spaceship someday. Then one dark day and in anticipation of that event, the Comet Hale-Bopp was approaching in relatively close proximity to earth and Applewhite thought there was a spaceship traveling in it's shadow to avoid detection.

Applewhite somehow convinced the mass suicide of his followers so that their spirits could be transported to another world by that secret spaceship. God doesn't expect His children to accept viewpoints like the Applewhites had. Rather, He expects those that know the truth to point folks in the right direction. I have already done exactly that in my previous post. It was not my intention to offend you however, I disagree with your conclusions. Christians are the most forgiving and accepting folks out there. The people Pulp Fiction mentioned have an ax to grind with christianity in general and are offended by the name of Jesus Christ.

Watching cable tv... there are numerous times I have noticed that when a character says, Jesus, it has been edited out. Or they will say "Jesus Christ" and 'Jesus' has been edited out. And I know it's been edited because I've seen the movie version, and know for a fact it's been edited.

And that is just one example.

[TheRealThing]

I don't care either way, I was just answering your original post with what I think is one of the reasons why. Congregations like Westboro give religious groups, especially Christian bad publicity.

But to expand on your original post and offer another reason, IMO Christians are judgemental people. Maybe not all of them but at least 50%. To me this is the #1 reason that turn people away from Christianity. But again, that is just my IMO.

Don't get your hackles up judgementday, your point about Westboro is very well taken. Lots of folks make the claim, certainly not all of them are for real.

[judgementday]

Watching cable tv... there are numerous times I have noticed that when a character says, Jesus, it has been edited out. Or they will say "Jesus Christ" and 'Jesus' has been edited out. And I know it's been edited because I've seen the movie version, and know for a fact it's been edited.

And that is just one example.

I will say that I never understood why Jesus or God was always edited out. Especially when someone utters the "GD" word.....Damn stays but they edit God out......why not just edit out the whole word or, the obvious curse word...

[WideMiddle03]

I was being nice to you. Nowhere does the bible say I am to accept a viewpoint from others that contradict the truths of scripture. Let me demonstrate my point. Remember Marshall Applewhite and the 'religious' group he founded known as Heaven's Gate? He taught his followers they would ascend up into a spaceship someday. Then one dark day and in anticipation of that event, the Comet Hale-Bopp was approaching in relatively close proximity to earth and Applewhite thought there was a spaceship traveling in it's shadow to avoid detection.

Applewhite somehow convinced the mass suicide of his followers so that their spirits could be transported to another world by that secret spaceship. God doesn't expect His children to accept viewpoints like the Applewhites had. Rather, He expects those that know the truth to point folks in the right direction. I have already done exactly that in my previous post. It was not my intention to offend you however, I disagree with your conclusions. Christians are the most forgiving and accepting folks out there. The people Pulp Fiction mentioned have an ax to grind with christianity in general and are offended by the name of Jesus Christ.

yes i know about applewhite and his followers they are crazy but christians are not forgiving at least most of them aren't they judge people and tell them they are going to hell and they keep them away from the church

[Pulp Fiction]

Just incase anybody is wondering....

Call me judgemental, call me Hateful, call me whatever you want........
But let me say this, no matter who/what you believe in OR who/what you don't believe in. You WILL be judged for your life's actions after you die. You will be somebody in one of two places; Heaven or Hell.

Now it's easy to say you don't believe in Jesus, God, Heaven, The Bible.... Or it's easy to say you "were born a certain way". And yes, you can do whatever you want with your life...... You can live however you please.

The wages of sin is death. And not a physical death... But death of being sentenced by the Almighty into a lake of fire for eternity. And it will happen.... As sure as your reading this post. When this life on earth has ended, judgement will happen.

Those that have accepted Christ will be in Heaven. Those that have not accepted Christ will be cast out into eternal damnation.

[WideMiddle03]

^ yes i agree that is real its just we shouldn't rub it in people's faces that we're going there and there not