[TheRealVille]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republicans in the U.S. Congress are under a "reign of terror" imposed by the party's conservative wing that also has pushed presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney to the right, President Barack Obama's senior campaign strategist said on Sunday.
David Axelrod, in an interview on CNN's "State of the Union" program, cited the Obama administration's plans for immigration reform as an example of Republican intransigence in Congress.
The political process in Washington should not be "monolithic opposition to everything the chief executive wants to do as a political strategy," Axelrod said, adding that an "implacable group of Republicans" had blocked any possibility of immigration reform.
"I think there are a lot of Republicans in Congress who want to cooperate ... but they're in the thralls of this reign of terror from the far right that has dragged the party to the right," he said.
"Governor Romney and the party have gone way off to the right," he added.
On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.
Axelrod said Romney, the former Massachusetts governor in line to be the Republican challenger to Obama's re-election in the November 6 election, has nothing new to offer voters.
"People don't know Mitt Romney very well," he said on CNN. "They see a businessman. They hope he has new ideas. When they find out what his ideas are, slashing taxes at the top for the very wealthy ... they're going to think, 'This is very familiar. We've tried this. This was a big failure.'"
Axelrod said Romney's campaign for the Republican nomination had been a negative one, based on attacking his opponents rather than spelling out ideas.
"When he does, I think people are going to judge them for what they are, which is backward-looking and a repeat of what got us into this mess in the first place," he added.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-strategist-s...32751.html

[TheRealThing]

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-strategist-s...32751.html

Sometimes I wonder if you and tvtimeout are not inmates in a sanitorium together who fight for time on the computer. Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid (D) Nevada, with help from his democratic following, is the one who holds the US Senate hostage. He and Nancy Pelosi were the one-two punch during the first two years of the Obama oddessy, in which the USA took a detour through the twilight zone. People who think for themselves won't be fooled by this kind of thing, we remember all too well Reid and his marionettes tabling every attempt by the house to bring up legislation, including stonewalling each attempt at a lawful federal budget. And of course, his signature acheivement, ObamaCare, courtesy of every cheap and dirty trick the dems could dream up. How many dems who opposed the impending health scare legislation were drug kicking and screaming to the 'dark side'. I mean, when you resort to David Axelnimrod for your news source, it can only mean Joe Biden must still be too heavily sedated or too hungover to make the Sunday news show circuit.

[tvtimeout]

Sometimes I wonder if you and tvtimeout are not inmates in a sanitorium together who fight for time on the computer. Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid (D) Nevada, with help from his democratic following, is the one who holds the US Senate hostage. He and Nancy Pelosi were the one-two punch during the first two years of the Obama oddessy, in which the USA took a detour through the twilight zone. People who think for themselves won't be fooled by this kind of thing, we remember all too well Reid and his marionettes tabling every attempt by the house to bring up legislation, including stonewalling each attempt at a lawful federal budget. And of course, his signature acheivement, ObamaCare, courtesy of every cheap and dirty trick the dems could dream up. How many dems who opposed the impending health scare legislation were drug kicking and screaming to the 'dark side'. I mean, when you resort to David Axelnimrod for your news source, it can only mean Joe Biden must still be too heavily sedated or too hungover to make the Sunday news show circuit.

:insane:


I have never agreed with the left on fiscal policy. I do agree with their agenda for individual liberties though.

I have never agreed with the republicrats on the military industrial complex.
I do agree with the right with their agenda on tax cuts...well not really, I agree with the idea of tax reform. No cuts, no taxes, except for sales tax. Logical...that is why it would never pass.

[TheRealThing]

^Well, just to clear the air, I am actually a registered democrat. I haven't been able to support many Democrats at the state or federal level for a long time. When they stop lying and slandering conservatives and their values with every breath, then, maybe I could once again vote for a dem. I can tell you this, on a scale of 1 to 100, Obama rates at about a minus 10, in my book. And, the dems will have to do much better. You continually berate the republicans which are light years better in the person of Mitt Romney.

[tvtimeout]

^Well, just to clear the air, I am actually a registered democrat. I haven't been able to support many Democrats at the state or federal level for a long time. When they stop lying and slandering conservatives and their values with every breath, then, maybe I could once again vote for a dem. I can tell you this, on a scale of 1 to 100, Obama rates at about a minus 10, in my book. And, the dems will have to do much better. You continually berate the republicans which are light years better in the person of Mitt Romney.

I don't think that Mitt is a conservative. His record indicates differently, no one ever calls him out on it though. I do berate republicrats, those that keep spending up without finding away to pay for it. They have lost their way which gave way to the tea party movement.

I respect democrats because I believe that they are honest, they really believe that a bigger government is the answer. I disagree with this mindset but they are honest.

Republicrats since 2001 cut taxes but they did not cut spending when they had both houses of congress and the white house. They could have done this. That pushed more towards a libertarian, than when the bail outs happened, the republicrats lost faith in the free market, at the same time accused the democrats 100 times over about bailing out the auto industry. To me there was no difference, liers, period.

It is easy to get on here and bash Obama's policies. I disgree with 99.999% of them. However, you have some republicrats on here, who claim conservative values but will not vote that conviction. So I call them out!

[Hoot Gibson]

:insane:


I have never agreed with the left on fiscal policy. I do agree with their agenda for individual liberties though.

I have never agreed with the republicrats on the military industrial complex.
I do agree with the right with their agenda on tax cuts...well not really, I agree with the idea of tax reform. No cuts, no taxes, except for sales tax. Logical...that is why it would never pass.

You could not be more wrong on this point. Nothing could be further from the truth. You cannot have personal liberty without economic liberty and you will find very, very few fiscal conservatives among Democrats who have been elected to national office. What part of Democrats' program of personal liberty do you agree? Hate crimes that punish thoughts and not criminal behavior but only when the victim belongs to a protected class? Laws against "hate speech," as defined by liberal college presidents? The so-called "Fairness Doctrine," which would force the media to provide equal time to people to express unpopular ideas that advertisers are unwilling to sponsor? Infringements on the Second Amendment? Infringements on the First Amendment, such as forcing religious organizations to subsidize abortion services over their conscientious objections?

There are people on the religious right who would also like to reduce our freedom, but they constitute a minority of the Republican Party and exert very little control over policy. Compare that to the leadership of the Democratic Party under Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, which managed to push through Obambacare, by which the federal government requires you to purchase health insurance and authorizes the IRS to collect fines if you fail to comply.

There is no more fundamental liberty than the freedom to spend our own money as we see fit and to enter into contracts with other free people. I cannot understand how somebody who professes to be a libertarian could possibly see the Democratic Party as a protection of personal liberty. If you are not active in the Libertarian Party, I encourage you to attend a few meetings and give somebody a chance to set you on the right course.

[TheRealThing]

[quote=tvtimeout]I don't think that Mitt is a conservative. His record indicates differently, no one ever calls him out on it though. I do berate republicrats, those that keep spending up without finding away to pay for it. They have lost their way which gave way to the tea party movement.

I respect democrats because I believe that they are honest, they really believe that a bigger government is the answer. I disagree with this mindset but they are honest.

Republicrats since 2001 cut taxes but they did not cut spending when they had both houses of congress and the white house. They could have done this. That pushed more towards a libertarian, than when the bail outs happened, the republicrats lost faith in the free market, at the same time accused the democrats 100 times over about bailing out the auto industry. To me there was no difference, liers, period.

It is easy to get on here and bash Obama's policies. I disgree with 99.999% of them. However, you have some republicrats on here, who claim conservative values but will not vote that conviction. So I call them out![/QUOTE]


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First bold-- some things are self evident, everybody knows you have affection for the liberals.

Second bold--you may think you are calling them out. However, having read your posts, it seems to me your gift is undermining your own talking points.

[nky]

1. Democrats controlled Congress for two years under President Obama.
2. Democrats currently control the Senate (when have they passed a budget?)
3. President Obama and his team are looking ahead for the fall elections since the can't run on their record/accomplishments they need someone to blame
A. Blame the rich
B. Blame your opponent
a. they don't want women to have birth control
b. they hate women
c. they hate poor people
d. their in bed with big...oil, pharm
e. they want dirty air and water
C. they're the party of NO. They don't want the President to be successful so they block everything in Congress


The democrats play book for the fall. Watch and enjoy as the electorate eats it up.

[tvtimeout]

You could not be more wrong on this point. Nothing could be further from the truth. You cannot have personal liberty without economic liberty and you will find very, very few fiscal conservatives among Democrats who have been elected to national office. What part of Democrats' program of personal liberty do you agree? Hate crimes that punish thoughts and not criminal behavior but only when the victim belongs to a protected class? Laws against "hate speech," as defined by liberal college presidents? The so-called "Fairness Doctrine," which would force the media to provide equal time to people to express unpopular ideas that advertisers are unwilling to sponsor? Infringements on the Second Amendment? Infringements on the First Amendment, such as forcing religious organizations to subsidize abortion services over their conscientious objections?
There are people on the religious right who would also like to reduce our freedom, but they constitute a minority of the Republican Party and exert very little control over policy. Compare that to the leadership of the Democratic Party under Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, which managed to push through Obambacare, by which the federal government requires you to purchase health insurance and authorizes the IRS to collect fines if you fail to comply.

There is no more fundamental liberty than the freedom to spend our own money as we see fit and to enter into contracts with other free people. I cannot understand how somebody who professes to be a libertarian could possibly see the Democratic Party as a protection of personal liberty. If you are not active in the Libertarian Party, I encourage you to attend a few meetings and give somebody a chance to set you on the right course.

You really going to talk about infringing rights...patriot act...

Religious Right does not set policy...gay marriage, abortion issue, war on drugs

Again, you never point out Romney's record...why?

Again, I said that I disgaree with the left with fiscal policy...you keep ignoring that point.

IMO, the government is way to massive cuts across the board, redefine the tax code...aka... get rid of it, would be a good start...

Republicrats never will, again look to past examples i.e. 2001-2008. Controlled both houses and white house in the early part of those years.

I also believe a person has the right to fail, the left and the right do not...bailouts on both sides. No one calls anyone out on this...sad.

[tvtimeout]

[quote=tvtimeout]I don't think that Mitt is a conservative. His record indicates differently, no one ever calls him out on it though. I do berate republicrats, those that keep spending up without finding away to pay for it. They have lost their way which gave way to the tea party movement.

I respect democrats because I believe that they are honest, they really believe that a bigger government is the answer. I disagree with this mindset but they are honest.

Republicrats since 2001 cut taxes but they did not cut spending when they had both houses of congress and the white house. They could have done this. That pushed more towards a libertarian, than when the bail outs happened, the republicrats lost faith in the free market, at the same time accused the democrats 100 times over about bailing out the auto industry. To me there was no difference, liers, period.

It is easy to get on here and bash Obama's policies. I disgree with 99.999% of them. However, you have some republicrats on here, who claim conservative values but will not vote that conviction. So I call them out![/QUOTE]


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First bold-- some things are self evident, everybody knows you have affection for the liberals.

Second bold--you may think you are calling them out. However, having read your posts, it seems to me your gift is undermining your own talking points.

Would you give me an example? Maybe, I have or maybe a post needs more explaination.

[TheRealThing]

[quote=TheRealThing]

Would you give me an example? Maybe, I have or maybe a post needs more explaination.

Tell you what, go to your "find all posts by tvtimeout" list, close your eyes, and put your finger on the monitor screen. Now, open your eyes, the post closest to your finger will suffice as an example.

[Hoot Gibson]

You really going to talk about infringing rights...patriot act...

Do you realize that a large majority of Democrats voted for the Patriot Act? Do you realize that it was renewed under the Obama administration? Bad example.

Religious Right does not set policy...gay marriage, abortion issue, war on drugs

Which administration is currently cracking down on medical marijuana operations in California? Do you think that the religious right is calling shots for the Obama White House?

Again, you never point out Romney's record...why?

This election will be a referendum on Obama's performance as president. All I need to know about Romney is that he is a capitalist who believes in American values. I know that Obama is a polarizing socialist who trashes traditional American values at every opportunity and whose policies are destroying our economy.

Again, I said that I disgaree with the left with fiscal policy...you keep ignoring that point.

You are arguing out of both sides of your mouth with different voices. You cannot simultaneously say that there is no difference between the policies of Democrats and Republicans on the one hand and criticize Democratic fiscal policy on the other. Not all Republicans are fiscal conservatives but almost all fiscal conservatives are Republicans. Ron Paul is a Republican.

AIMO, the government is way to massive cuts across the board, redefine the tax code...aka... get rid of it, would be a good start...

Republicrats never will, again look to past examples i.e. 2001-2008. Controlled both houses and white house in the early part of those years.

There you go again, smearing Republicans in your childlike way, in the same post that you claim to oppose Democrats' fiscal policies and oppose the religious right's social policies. Which is it - are they one party with two names or are there important differences between the two parties philosophies? It cannot be both.

I also believe a person has the right to fail, the left and the right do not...bailouts on both sides. No one calls anyone out on this...sad.

Yes, they do and those who do are Republicans. Name a fiscal conservative who is a Democrat currently serving in Congress or in the Obama administration. Just one.

[Hoot Gibson]

[quote=TheRealThing]

Would you give me an example? Maybe, I have or maybe a post needs more explaination.

See my post above for point by point examples of how your posts contradict and undermine your own arguments.

[tvtimeout]

Do you realize that a large majority of Democrats voted for the Patriot Act? Do you realize that it was renewed under the Obama administration? Bad example.

Which administration is currently cracking down on medical marijuana operations in California? Do you think that the religious right is calling shots for the Obama White House?

This election will be a referendum on Obama's performance as president. All I need to know about Romney is that he is a capitalist who believes in American values. I know that Obama is a polarizing socialist who trashes traditional American values at every opportunity and whose policies are destroying our economy.

You are arguing out of both sides of your mouth with different voices. You cannot simultaneously say that there is no difference between the policies of Democrats and Republicans on the one hand and criticize Democratic fiscal policy on the other. Not all Republicans are fiscal conservatives but almost all fiscal conservatives are Republicans. Ron Paul is a Republican.


Yes, they do and those who do are Republicans. Name a fiscal conservative who is a Democrat currently serving in Congress or in the Obama administration. Just one.

Who was in the White House and Who HAD MAJORITY: IF the republicrats did not want it to go through... it would not...your arguement of everybody is doing is exactly the point that I am making...they are the same.

Who started the war on drugs?

Raising fees and forcing indivdiual mandates are not american values, which Romney has done.

You are correct about policies...there is a difference in social policies. However, fiscally no difference. I will site 2001-2008, Republicans held majority of both houses during some of this term and the white house.
Government spent and spent...period.

I can not wait for you to come back and say Obama spent more, I agree he has. However, he said that he would, Republicrats lie "I am fiscally conservative, ignore what I do and listen to what I say". I was always taught to look at one's actions. Republicrats lost me by actions, so I went to the Libertarian party Not childish when calling out the truth, just trying to put it into simple terms for you.

[Granny Bear]

What?
I'm trying to follow this thread; afraid I'm lost.

[tvtimeout]

What?
I'm trying to follow this thread; afraid I'm lost.

Sorry about hijacking a thread... Hoot and I seem to be going around and around in many different threads.

This thread was I guess to point out all the things the GOP did and what went wrong.

I would agree alot went wrong between 2001-2008 with the GOP. Things are worse now with the democrats.

Hoot argues that a little spending without cutting is ok by his backing of political canadates.

I propose cutting the budget 20% across the board cut all social programs, and revamp the tax code.

Hoot and I disagree on the need of how much military force is needed around the world. I think we should not have nearly the military bases around the world. Hoot disagrees.

Hoot roots for Romney who passed an individual healthcare mandate in his state and raised fees to pay for it. I disagree with this action.

Hoot argues that individual liberties are being taken away by the President. He is right and I agree with him on this. I point out though that GOP did as much to infringe on individual liberties. Hoot does not respond.

Hoot believes in capitalistic market model. I agree with him, I point out though that both parties believes in bailouts. I disagree with this action by both parties. Hoot does not respond.

Hoot thinks that the Republican party is so much better. I disagree, I think the two party system has failed the American People.

Hoot will attack me personally, I will not attack him other than calling his party the Republicrats.

I think you are now caught up.

[Hoot Gibson]

Who was in the White House and Who HAD MAJORITY: IF the republicrats did not want it to go through... it would not...your arguement of everybody is doing is exactly the point that I am making...they are the same.

Who started the war on drugs?

Raising fees and forcing indivdiual mandates are not american values, which Romney has done.

You are correct about policies...there is a difference in social policies. However, fiscally no difference. I will site 2001-2008, Republicans held majority of both houses during some of this term and the white house.
Government spent and spent...period.

I can not wait for you to come back and say Obama spent more, I agree he has. However, he said that he would, Republicrats lie "I am fiscally conservative, ignore what I do and listen to what I say". I was always taught to look at one's actions. Republicrats lost me by actions, so I went to the Libertarian party Not childish when calling out the truth, just trying to put it into simple terms for you.

I think that you have spent too much time listening to Ron Paul's talking points and too little actually learning what is going on under the Obama administration. Thank you for allowing me a chance to illustrate just how poor your command of the facts are.

You say, in the bolded text that Obama promised to increase spending but Republicans lied about cutting spending. Obama shockingly campaigned on reducing the deficit, even though nobody with any measurable amount of common sense believed him.

If you want to see just how wrong you are on this very important fact, watch the video linked below. Then do some Googling and try to comprehend the magnitude of difference of the deficits that Bush posted when Republicans controlled the House of Representatives and the spending that Obama has done (versus the cuts that he promised) - or you can just keep repeating childish smears like "Republicrats" and ignore the very real differences between Republicans and Democrats.

Your statement that Obama promised to increase spending is flat out false, as you can see in the video below. Your other points are also full of factual holes but I am growing tired of correcting your misinformation. You need to spend more time researching and less time spouting your misleading list of talking points.

[TheRealThing]

What?
I'm trying to follow this thread; afraid I'm lost.

Sorry about hijacking a thread... Hoot and I seem to be going around and around in many different threads.

This thread was I guess to point out all the things the GOP did and what went wrong.

I would agree alot went wrong between 2001-2008 with the GOP. Things are worse now with the democrats.

Hoot argues that a little spending without cutting is ok by his backing of political canadates.

I propose cutting the budget 20% across the board cut all social programs, and revamp the tax code.

Hoot and I disagree on the need of how much military force is needed around the world. I think we should not have nearly the military bases around the world. Hoot disagrees.

Hoot roots for Romney who passed an individual healthcare mandate in his state and raised fees to pay for it. I disagree with this action.

Hoot argues that individual liberties are being taken away by the President. He is right and I agree with him on this. I point out though that GOP did as much to infringe on individual liberties. Hoot does not respond.

Hoot believes in capitalistic market model. I agree with him, I point out though that both parties believes in bailouts. I disagree with this action by both parties. Hoot does not respond.

Hoot thinks that the Republican party is so much better. I disagree, I think the two party system has failed the American People.

Hoot will attack me personally, I will not attack him other than calling his party the Republicrats.

I think you are now caught up.

:thatsfunn ^ Let's hear it Granny Bear, everything all cleared up now?

[TheRealThing]

The reign of terror road runs through the democrat party---


House OKs student loan bill, ignores veto threat
By ALAN FRAM Associated Press The Associated Press
Friday, April 27, 2012 6:06 PM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans defied a veto threat and the House voted Friday to prevent federal loan costs from doubling for millions of college students. The vote gave the GOP a momentary election-year triumph on a bill that has become enmeshed in partisan battles over the economy, women's issues and President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The measure's 215-195 passage was largely symbolic because the package is going nowhere in the Democratic-dominated Senate. Both parties agree students' interest costs should not rise, but they are clashing along a familiar fault line over how to cover the $6 billion tab: Republicans want spending cuts and Democrats want higher revenues
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It's the same old thing over and over. All stonewalling happening in the US Senate is strictly democratic partisanship. In lieu of an explanation to college students and parents for this outrage, Dems will resort to demagoguing the republicans to hide their hypocrisy. Like a bad dream one cannot wake up from, it cycles on and on.

[TheRealVille]

^Well, just to clear the air, I am actually a registered democrat. I haven't been able to support many Democrats at the state or federal level for a long time. When they stop lying and slandering conservatives and their values with every breath, then, maybe I could once again vote for a dem. I can tell you this, on a scale of 1 to 100, Obama rates at about a minus 10, in my book. And, the dems will have to do much better. You continually berate the republicans which are light years better in the person of Mitt Romney.

You have nothing in your blood that is democrat, why not switch over?

[Hoot Gibson]

The reign of terror road runs through the democrat party---


House OKs student loan bill, ignores veto threat
By ALAN FRAM Associated Press The Associated Press
Friday, April 27, 2012 6:06 PM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans defied a veto threat and the House voted Friday to prevent federal loan costs from doubling for millions of college students. The vote gave the GOP a momentary election-year triumph on a bill that has become enmeshed in partisan battles over the economy, women's issues and President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The measure's 215-195 passage was largely symbolic because the package is going nowhere in the Democratic-dominated Senate. Both parties agree students' interest costs should not rise, but they are clashing along a familiar fault line over how to cover the $6 billion tab: Republicans want spending cuts and Democrats want higher revenues
END EXCERPT---

It's the same old thing over and over. All stonewalling happening in the US Senate is strictly democratic partisanship. In lieu of an explanation to college students and parents for this outrage, Dems will resort to demagoguing the republicans to hide their hypocrisy. Like a bad dream one cannot wake up from, it cycles on and on.

The only area in which Democrats are willing to make serious budget cuts in before the election is in defense spending. Otherwise, Obama, Reid, and the Senate Democrats are perfectly willing to continue to increase federal spending and put the charges on their Chinese credit card.

[TheRealThing]

You have nothing in your blood that is democrat, why not switch over?

^ I can't believe you actually posted that JFK quote. I remember Jack Kennedy very well and I can speak to his political philosophies from experience. He was no advocate of welfare OR socialism. He would have balked at the substantialy replete list of luxuries, that pass for necessities in our day, compared to what the government provided and to whom, in his day. Folks are born retired these days. Not only do we have heads of households that have never worked a day of their life, we have literally successive generations of folks, that have never worked a day of their life. Kennedy would never have signed on for such absurdities. This is JFK's attitude about the American ideal; quote---"Ask not what your country can do for you, as what you can do for your country" I can assure you he would have never advocated 'Cradle to Grave Care' for folks willing to get in line.

As to your question, would it make you feel better if I switched?

[TheRealVille]

^ I can't believe you actually posted that JFK quote. I remember Jack Kennedy very well and I can speak to his political philosophies from experience. He was no advocate of welfare OR socialism. He would have balked at the substantialy replete list of luxuries, that pass for necessities in our day, compared to what the government provided and to whom, in his day. Folks are born retired these days. Not only do we have heads of households that have never worked a day of their life, we have literally successive generations of folks, that have never worked a day of their life. Kennedy would never have signed on for such absurdities. This is JFK's attitude about the American ideal; quote---"Ask not what your country can do for you, as what you can do for your country" I can assure you he would have never advocated 'Cradle to Grave Care' for folks willing to get in line.

As to your question, would it make you feel better if I switched?

He said it. I could really care less how you are registered. I just can't see why you would stay democrat when you hate everything about their politics.

[TheRealThing]

He said it. I could really care less how you are registered. I just can't see why you would stay democrat when you hate everything about their politics.

Yes he said it but, he wouldn't support today's liberal.



Really it's because it doesn't matter how I'm registered, it's how I vote that counts. But, if you don't mind my saying so, there is an inconsistency I see with your stated positions too. Why do you insist on helping to elect folks you know for a fact will raise your taxes so they can shovel more of them out to the listless among us. I don't get it, you're gonna get hit hard when you try to 'unshelter' that wad of dough you're sitting on.