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03-01-2012, 05:37 AM
If you could change the districts within your region, how would you set them?
Im a 13th region fan and believe its set up the only way possible it will work right now money wise as far as travel time goes, and the fact that theres 16 teams in it with 4 teams per district, but ive heard some others complain about 3 or 5 team districts. So if you could change your region, how would you do it?
Im a 13th region fan and believe its set up the only way possible it will work right now money wise as far as travel time goes, and the fact that theres 16 teams in it with 4 teams per district, but ive heard some others complain about 3 or 5 team districts. So if you could change your region, how would you do it?
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03-01-2012, 05:45 AM
I actually like the way the 56th District is (Estill, Powell, Lee, Owsley) no more than an hour apart. Really isn't any since in having teams in a District that are 2 - 4 hours apart.
Speaking of Re-Alignment, when is the next Boys/Girls Basketball, Baseball/Softball Re-Alignments?
Speaking of Re-Alignment, when is the next Boys/Girls Basketball, Baseball/Softball Re-Alignments?
03-01-2012, 08:32 AM
The only thing I would change in the 13th is switch Willamsburg (50th district) and Knox Central (51st district). Idk if you agree RIUTG but let's be honest, Knox is a shoe-in to region every year and Willamsburg will never make it out of the 50th. This switch could make things more even. Travel distance is the only thing that makes it not possible.
03-01-2012, 10:12 AM
Would have to drop the whole 56th District in the 14th. From Jenkins to Estill is way to far for a region to stretch out, probably over 150 miles, totally ridiculous. The 14th should pick up Harlan Co, Clay, Oneida and Red Bird to put in place of those other 4 schools. Then our region would just stretch out from Jenkins to Wolfe, which is a little better.
03-01-2012, 11:31 AM
Why woud you want to put 4 one "A" schools in the same district. That would weaken the region every year. I do agree that the 51st is weak but if they do anythig they should move Lynn Camp out and move Corbin or South into the 51st.
03-01-2012, 11:43 AM
EKYHoops Wrote:Would have to drop the whole 56th District in the 14th. From Jenkins to Estill is way to far for a region to stretch out, probably over 150 miles, totally ridiculous. The 14th should pick up Harlan Co, Clay, Oneida and Red Bird to put in place of those other 4 schools. Then our region would just stretch out from Jenkins to Wolfe, which is a little better.
How about keeping the 56th in the 14th and moving the 53rd to the 15th region, then you guys wouldn't have too far to drive, and neither would we....the road runs two ways----it's a long way for us to drive to Whitesburg and Hindman too. Jenkins is not 30 minutes from Pikeville. Knott is right in the 15th back door. Move some of the 13th region teams into the 14th to replace the 53rd, such as Clay County, and OBI.
03-01-2012, 12:42 PM
It doesn't effect us in the mountains but there's will have to be some changes in the 1st region. Heath, Reidland, and Lone Oak are consolidating to form McCracken County High School. That will basicly wipe out one district, and will have an effect on other districts. Other schools will have to be moved to fill in the void.
03-01-2012, 01:41 PM
thedealer12 Wrote:The only thing I would change in the 13th is switch Willamsburg (50th district) and Knox Central (51st district). Idk if you agree RIUTG but let's be honest, Knox is a shoe-in to region every year and Willamsburg will never make it out of the 50th. This switch could make things more even. Travel distance is the only thing that makes it not possible.Do you not understand what makes Kentucky High School basketball what it is? The reason this state isn't classed is because it gives the little guys (Williamsburg) the opportunity to knock off the big dogs (South and Whitley). That move would go aganist everything basketball is about in this great state. The logical moves that I see in the 13th is moving Pineville into the 52nd with the other Bell County schools and the Harlan County schools. Moving Corbin from the 50th, to the 51st with the other 3 Knox County schools. I like moving North from the 49th to the 50th because I think it is a travesty that the best rivalry in this region isn't in the same district. This would also give you two Laurel County schools and two Whitley County schools in the same district. That leaves the 49th being very uncompetitive with Clay, Jackson, OBI, and Red Bird, but I think geographically this would be the best set up. I definitely think that Clay fits in better in the 14th than the 13th, but that change would never happen.
03-01-2012, 02:25 PM
thedealer12 Wrote:The only thing I would change in the 13th is switch Willamsburg (50th district) and Knox Central (51st district). Idk if you agree RIUTG but let's be honest, Knox is a shoe-in to region every year and Willamsburg will never make it out of the 50th. This switch could make things more even. Travel distance is the only thing that makes it not possible.
It would definitley make more sense from a competetive standpoint but as you said it will never happen. Having one champion is what makes high school basketball here so great, but in all reality schools like Wburg might make region once every ten years so its coming to the point where something should be classes, but in my personal opinion i hope it stay like it is forever, just the district mixed up every now and then.
03-01-2012, 03:30 PM
LOOKAYANNER Wrote:How about keeping the 56th in the 14th and moving the 53rd to the 15th region, then you guys wouldn't have too far to drive, and neither would we....the road runs two ways----it's a long way for us to drive to Whitesburg and Hindman too. Jenkins is not 30 minutes from Pikeville. Knott is right in the 15th back door. Move some of the 13th region teams into the 14th to replace the 53rd, such as Clay County, and OBI.
the center of the region is the 54th district. Wolfe is about 50 miles from Hazard and Jenkins is about 55 miles from Hazard. Estill, Powell, Lee and Owsley are 80-95 miles from Hazard, totally ridiculous! And when Jenkins closes which it won't be long, it will even shorten the distance from Letcher to Hazard. The 56th would be better playing the teams down that way like they do in baseball and football.
03-01-2012, 03:53 PM
EKYHoops Wrote:the center of the region is the 54th district. Wolfe is about 50 miles from Hazard and Jenkins is about 55 miles from Hazard. Estill, Powell, Lee and Owsley are 80-95 miles from Hazard, totally ridiculous! And when Jenkins closes which it won't be long, it will even shorten the distance from Letcher to Hazard. The 56th would be better playing the teams down that way like they do in baseball and football.
Ummm they play the same teams in basketball in Baseball (Hazard, Letcher, Knott, Wolfe, Breathitt, Model, Madison Southern and Buckhorn) from Estill to Wolfe is about 40/45 Minutes, to Breathitt from Estill is about an hour and an hour and half to Hazard. From Estill to Madison Southern and Model is about 35-45 Minutes. Really no difference in Madison Southern, Model and Wolfe as in Distances. From Estill to Rockcastle is about an hour and half away. The 56th is and always will be in the 14th unless KHSAA decides to move it and I don't see them doing that
03-01-2012, 03:57 PM
SWHS Fan Wrote:One change I've thought about is moving Casey Co. with the Boyle schools and putting Lincoln with PC/SHS/Rock.
That's about it.
Southwestern, Pulaski, Somerset, Somerset Christian need to be in same district. 8 miles separate all 4 schools. East/West jessamine should be moved to 11th. Rock moved to district with Madison County schools. Russell County moved into 12th region. Bring Clinton and Cumberland to the 12th.
03-01-2012, 04:27 PM
Strikeout King Wrote:. The 56th is and always will be in the 14th unless KHSAA decides to move it and I don't see them doing thatUnfortunately! Would be much better to have Harlan County and Clay in the 14th than the 4 teams from the 56th. Better competition, closer to everyone and less money for schools for all the trips
03-01-2012, 04:41 PM
Basketball Guru Wrote:Southwestern, Pulaski, Somerset, Somerset Christian need to be in same district. 8 miles separate all 4 schools. East/West jessamine should be moved to 11th. Rock moved to district with Madison County schools. Russell County moved into 12th region. Bring Clinton and Cumberland to the 12th.
SCA isn't in the KHSAA.. Unless they're moving in or something, which I know nothing of.
So are we going to have Monticello/McCreary/Wayne in one district? Clinton/Cumberland/Russell in another? Two three team districts?
Moving those three teams into the 12th makes us a two time zone region. That's a pain in the you-know-what.
I miss the old 12th, but I've gotten used to the Jessamines. I'm ready for it to stay.
03-01-2012, 07:24 PM
I'd like to see Montgomery & Clark to the 14th region and in a district with Powell & Estill
03-01-2012, 09:34 PM
WALL2WALL Wrote:54th
Perry
Hazard
Knott
Letcher
:biglmao:
Fine with me. 2 good teams are setting at home every year though.
03-02-2012, 02:56 AM
EKYHoops Wrote:Unfortunately! Would be much better to have Harlan County and Clay in the 14th than the 4 teams from the 56th. Better competition, closer to everyone and less money for schools for all the trips
What Region would you put the 56th in? Their's a reason why Estill left the 10th. The 56th is perfectly fine right where they are. I don't know why your saying Jenkins because no team in the 56th ever plays Jenkins.
Platinum & Gold Wrote:I'd like to see Montgomery & Clark to the 14th region and in a district with Powell & Estill
Not Happening. That's part of the reason Estill left the 10th
Estill just came from the 10th, They won't go back. They won't play in the 11th Region. They wanna be somewhere where they can actually compete for Regional Titles. You can't do that in the 10th or 11th and those are the only Regions that are close to either Estill or Powell.
Teams/Schools are put in Regions that are their size or around their size. Montgomery, Clark, Madison Central, Scott County, Bryan Station, Henry Clay, Lexington Catholic, etc. etc. are a lot bigger than either Estill or Powell
03-02-2012, 10:37 AM
EKYHoops Wrote:the center of the region is the 54th district. Wolfe is about 50 miles from Hazard and Jenkins is about 55 miles from Hazard. Estill, Powell, Lee and Owsley are 80-95 miles from Hazard, totally ridiculous! And when Jenkins closes which it won't be long, it will even shorten the distance from Letcher to Hazard. The 56th would be better playing the teams down that way like they do in baseball and football.
Miles from each school... source Google Directions. Lee County and Owsley County are geographically not that far from any of the schools in the 14th.
To HAZARD:
Clay Co. (44.8)
Owsley Co. (45.7)
Lee Co. (55.6)
Harlan Co. (56.5)
Powell Co. (71.7) *Mt. Pkwy 70 mph speed limit to Campton
Estill Co. (88.2)*Mt. Pkwy 70 mph speed limit to Campton
To JACKSON:
Owsley Co. (23.8)
Lee Co. (24.9)
Powell Co. (40.8)*
Estill Co. (57.3)*
Clay Co. (57.6)
Harlan Co. (82.1)
To HINDMAN:
Owsley Co. (59.5)
Clay Co. (60.2) *Ky 80 Hal Rogers Pkwy
Lee Co. (69.3)
Harlan Co. (72)
Powell Co. (85.4) *Mt. Pkwy to Campton / Ky 80 from Hazard
Estill Co. (102)
03-02-2012, 11:07 AM
rawlingsfan Wrote:Miles from each school... source Google Directions. Lee County and Owsley County are geographically not that far from any of the schools in the 14th.So leave Owsley and Lee, put them with Wolfe and Breathitt like they used to be, and move out Estill and Powell, put them in with Menifee or someone in that area. Theyaren't even considered mountain teams, that is how far they are away from the "REAL" 14th region teams.
To HAZARD:
Clay Co. (44.8)
Owsley Co. (45.7)
Lee Co. (55.6)
Harlan Co. (56.5)
Powell Co. (71.7) *Mt. Pkwy 70 mph speed limit to Campton
Estill Co. (88.2)*Mt. Pkwy 70 mph speed limit to Campton
To JACKSON:
Owsley Co. (23.8)
Lee Co. (24.9)
Powell Co. (40.8)*
Estill Co. (57.3)*
Clay Co. (57.6)
Harlan Co. (82.1)
To HINDMAN:
Owsley Co. (59.5)
Clay Co. (60.2) *Ky 80 Hal Rogers Pkwy
Lee Co. (69.3)
Harlan Co. (72)
Powell Co. (85.4) *Mt. Pkwy to Campton / Ky 80 from Hazard
Estill Co. (102)
03-02-2012, 11:16 AM
EKYHoops Wrote:the center of the region is the 54th district. Wolfe is about 50 miles from Hazard and Jenkins is about 55 miles from Hazard. Estill, Powell, Lee and Owsley are 80-95 miles from Hazard, totally ridiculous! And when Jenkins closes which it won't be long, it will even shorten the distance from Letcher to Hazard. The 56th would be better playing the teams down that way like they do in baseball and football.
You need to re-take Geography 101.Owsley is not 80 or 90 miles from Hazard. It's 48 miles from Booneville to Hazard, as close as Jenkins is to Hazard. Beattyville in Lee County is about 50 miles from Hazard.
I agree that Hazard is the center of the region, and that Powell and Estill are a good distance from Hazard, or Hindman. But some schools in every region are going to be a long distance from the center. Estill used to be in the 11th region back in the 1970s, and in that region they were the farthest team to visit for other 11th region teams because they were located in the far southeastern section of the region. Well, they finally got in the 10th region, but they were no better off. They were the farthest team located in the southern part of that region. They made it to the region one year at Mason County and the tournament program had a write-up on each participating team, except for Estill. All it said was ,"We know very little about Estill County." They never played in that area of the region because of distance.
If you put Estill in the 12th region they then become the most northeastern team in that region. Now they're in the 14th and they (and Powell) are the most northwestern schools in that region. Any region you put Estill or Powell in, they will have to travel a long way to play games, as will regional teams visiting their gyms. They have to be a a region somewhere...the 14th is as good as any. Why penalize them because they are at the confluence of 4 regions.
03-02-2012, 11:36 AM
EKYHoops Wrote:Unfortunately! Would be much better to have Harlan County and Clay in the 14th than the 4 teams from the 56th. Better competition, closer to everyone and less money for schools for all the trips
EKYHoops, what exactly has the 53rd district done in the region in basketball that is so earth shaking in the last 20 years? Knott had a good run in the 1970s when they first consolidated, and a few region titles in the 1980s and in the early 1990s (they were actually in the 55th district with Breathitt then, but that's a technicality). Then they went from 1993 to 2010 before winning another region. Whitesburg won a region just before they closed their doors to consolidation, their second regional championship in their history, the other coming in the 1950s.
I admit, the 56th hasn't been as dominate as the 54th and the 55th. Lee won the region in 1968 and 1973, and Powell won it in 1974 and 2003. There have been several runner-up finishes---Owsley in 1983 and 1985, Wolfe in the early 2000s. But the 53rd hasn't set the world on fire either. Now that they have consolidated to have 1000 students Letcher Central will eventually have to break through and win a region simply due to the size of their enrollment, but it hasn't happened yet. Don't act like the 53rd is so much better than the 56th.
And by the way, the 56th has the 3rd and 4th largest enrollments in the region. Powell is 3rd with about 750 students and Estill is right behind them with around 730. Only Perry and Letcher are larger. With schools that size, the right coaches and building programs, there's no reason they can't compete with the Perry's, Hazard's, Letcher's and Knott's. Of course, they may have to throw in a transfer or two to keep up with the boys from the "Center Of The Region"!
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