[Tailback44]

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I wouldnt be surprise not one bit if you were telling the truth. PCC always seems to get away with it GT75 good luck to you and the Dores in 2012.

[king360]

Tailback44



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[RunItUpTheGut]

Whats everyons numbers going to look like going into this coming season?
I expect Whitley to have close to 35 upperclassmen (juniors and seniors) along with 40-45 underclassmen (freshmen and sophomores)
Now, as with every year, im sure that number will decrease greatly once summer practice starts, but i would love to see us dress 50 varsity players.
Realistically by the times the season starts id say we'll have around 15 seniors, 15 juniors, 15 sophomores, and 20-25 freshmen.

[Pig Jones]

This District will be going through the deep dark hill's of Eastern Kentucky. Harlan County will reload and win region this time around.

[cougarpride08]

What grade is he in?

He will be a sophomore.

[Backwoods]

Harlan County played Knox this year in Harlan County and we will travel to Barbourville this year.

HC scrimmaged Corbin last year, and I believe they have a few times in the past. My understanding is that Corbin just don't want to play a home and home, just want HC to come to Corbin. That's just what I've heard. We also have played Middlesboro, Leslie Co., and even Lynn Camp in the past but the smaller schools offer nothing but a local game for the Black Bears! Not talking down about these schools but they are smaller schools and generally the games weren't close.

I know it will never happen but I would like to play Harlan Ind. just because, but the better situation would be to play a City/County Bowl like Bell and M'boro. HC playing Knox, Bell, Corbin and Harlan Ind. could play M'boro, Leslie, or any other local team. What a gate that would be!!!

I think that would be a great gate Patriot. I would also like to see the Bears and Dragons play in a SEKC panarama. Harlan Ind. gave Bell a good showing last season in the panarama and they held thier own against Corbin after Corbin had begun to play better football. Could the Dragons beat HC? No way! But they might surprise some at how well they can play for a 1A team and then again they may get blown out. No difference than playing M'boro or Leslie Co. though. I think it would be great for Harlan county as a whole.

[Patriot]

I would love to see it, but it's really no benefit to HC at all! It's one of those if they win that's what they are supposed to do if they lost.....

Would never never ever be close.

[RunItUpTheGut]

The only problem you have with a lot of these city county deals is that the larger school (fro example HC is 5A and Harlan Ind. is 1A) has nothing to gain from the game amd everything to lose.

[Backwoods]

The only problem you have with a lot of these city county deals is that the larger school (fro example HC is 5A and Harlan Ind. is 1A) has nothing to gain from the game amd everything to lose.

A game between these two would purely be about the $$$. Both school's have a need for it and it would be an extremely large gate. I think a first game between these two school's,even a panorama,would rival or surpass an HC/Bell Co. game. But I'll say it would be a one time show because a second showing probably wouldn't generate much.

[RunItUpTheGut]

A game between these two would purely be about the $$$. Both school's have a need for it and it would be an extremely large gate. I think a first game between these two school's,even a panorama,would rival or surpass an HC/Bell Co. game. But I'll say it would be a one time show because a second showing probably wouldn't generate much.

I totally agree about the gate.
A Whitley/Wburg game gate would destroy a WC/PCC or WC/HC gate, however, if Whitley has a really bad year and Wburg is surprisingly good that year and Wburg beats us, then you know as well as i do, we'd never here the end of it.
The bigger schools have nothing to gain.
Now, in a situation like PCC and Hazard, it might look alright, because Hazard is a conteneder every year, but it would still look bad any time the bigger team loses.
It would have absoloutly no gain for the winning team.
Its the same reason Ive always been against a Whitley/Lynn Camp game.
Lynn Camp has beaten Whitley twice since 1989. But they'll always have those two years to refer back to, and Whitley cant refer to the other 20 because "we should have won" anyways.
Theres just no gain for the bigger schools.

One game i would be in support of is a Corbin/Whitley game. I think both teams would have something to take away from that game and you think a Harlan/HC game would bring in the money, a Whitley/Corbin game would probably double that.

[geauxtigers75]

I totally agree about the gate.
A Whitley/Wburg game gate would destroy a WC/PCC or WC/HC gate, however, if Whitley has a really bad year and Wburg is surprisingly good that year and Wburg beats us, then you know as well as i do, we'd never here the end of it.
The bigger schools have nothing to gain.
Now, in a situation like PCC and Hazard, it might look alright, because Hazard is a conteneder every year, but it would still look bad any time the bigger team loses.
It would have absoloutly no gain for the winning team.
Its the same reason Ive always been against a Whitley/Lynn Camp game.
Lynn Camp has beaten Whitley twice since 1989. But they'll always have those two years to refer back to, and Whitley cant refer to the other 20 because "we should have won" anyways.
Theres just no gain for the bigger schools.

One game i would be in support of is a Corbin/Whitley game. I think both teams would have something to take away from that game and you think a Harlan/HC game would bring in the money, a Whitley/Corbin game would probably double that.

Very, very, very good points there. I agree 100%.

[termite]

where and when can u look at next years schedules?

[cougarpride08]

Has anyone heard of LCC schedule?

[RunItUpTheGut]

where and when can u look at next years schedules?

KHSAA.org wont have any schedules ready until 3 or 4 weeks before the season.
My advice to you on that one is go ahead and pencil in your teams distrcit games and then look at the non district games you played and if this past year was the firt time you played a particular team, then most likely you will play at the opposite site as it was this past year (Home, Away) because most school will schedule atleast a 2 year contract.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Has anyone heard of LCC schedule?

Ill give it a shot...

District Games
Harlan County Home
Perry Central Away
Whitley County Home

Non District
Breathitt County Away
Franklin County Away
Montgomery County Home
Lawrence County Away
Russell County Home
Greenup County Away
Madison Central Home

Assuming that LCC signed a two year contract like most do, this would be your schedule. The one game that im not sure about is the Madison Central because it was kind of a bowl game, but i would still assume Lethcer will get a return game out of it and give them there 5th home game.

[HarlanCo]

Replacing Jordy Brewer will be Key!!! He was the leader of this years team. This is really the first time we have to replace a leader like this, in the past it's been a couple of Seniors leading but seems like Jordy really filled that role this year.

Jake Middleton is an outstanding back, but we will miss having a two headed monster someone could break out we have some promising young players. I look for Chitwood to be the other back along with Devin Daniels getting some time.

I'm guessing Tucker Lewis will be a ? at Full Back, so I see Chorak and possibly Fred Massey at FB.

QB will most likely be Jenkins, with Caldwell waiting in the wings. But if they both struggle look for Larkey to take a page out of Joker Phillips play book and play a Senior WR at QB (Austin Maggard)!!!!


Coach has done a great job replacing key players, Nathaniel Gilliam left we had TJ Green, Dylon Smith, & McMillan. Dylon left we had Jake Middleton, McMillian leaves.....we'll see.

The defense will be better, don't forget the Black Bears lost a lot of defense the year before last.

Replacing Michael Smith will be a task, when he wanted to he could block anyone!

I believe the Black Bears will be okay and leave it to the players who wins the district.

I agree with most of what you are saying except, with the QB part. Don't be so sure on Jenkins just yet.....He has a challange on his hands by what alittle bird is singing....! The challange is Senior Austin Maggard! By the information collected is Senior Austin Maggard [which hasn't QB since Junior High] is focusing on moving to QB. Which he does have alot under his belt due to the facts he has been on the Varsity Team and Started for Tom Larkey since his Freshman Year. By what this little birdy told me his arm doesn't look to bad either. So this is just something to bring up in the air to watch for.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I agree with most of what you are saying except, with the QB part. Don't be so sure on Jenkins just yet.....He has a challange on his hands by what alittle bird is singing....! The challange is Senior Austin Maggard! By the information collected is Senior Austin Maggard [which hasn't QB since Junior High] is focusing on moving to QB. Which he does have alot under his belt due to the facts he has been on the Varsity Team and Started for Tom Larkey since his Freshman Year. By what this little birdy told me his arm doesn't look to bad either. So this is just something to bring up in the air to watch for.

Patriot said in his post that its possible Larkey could play the maggard kid is things werent going as planned at QB.

[HCFollower1]

I really think that Maggard would be a early favorite , due to the way Brewer has ran the offense in the past, and Maggard is more of the runner than Jenkins, also anxious to see the season Middleton has this year following a successful season last year ( 1420 yards on 156 carries and 125 tackles)...they return alot of the defense back and people who played good minutes and gave good production to make up for the losses.:rockon:............saying this im going to predict district champs!:1:

[RunItUpTheGut]

Will Larkey give Middleton the ball 20-30 times a game or will they have another duo comination like they had with Mcmillan?

[HCFollower1]

Honestly, It's very untelling, I really dont think that they will be able to have a duo that will be as fluent together as those two were, but I could see a flop of positions. Putting Middleton at tailback and letting him get 20+ carries, and bringing Zach Chitwood to halfback to provide counters and reverses.

[Patriot]

Seems like the Bears have had two or three backs (see an earlier post) so I see them having another back emerge to compliment Middleton and Chitwood.

I actually thought Maggard could have challenged Brewer his freshman or sophomore year! I think if Maggard ends up QB Scotty Bailey will fill the wideout position nicely.

[HDE]

Chitwood would have started on offense for just about anyone else in eastern Kentucky. Devin Daniels and Fred Massey were impressive on the freshman team and would have played a lot on varsity if Harlan County wasn't so deep.

[HCFollower1]

I could see devin daniels, and also treyvon long playing time at the pro/ slot back as well. Middleton is a little bigger than most the other backs so I would not be surprised to see him at FB, however, he is also the fastest, so my best bet would be letting him play TB.

[tvtimeout]

I totally agree about the gate.
A Whitley/Wburg game gate would destroy a WC/PCC or WC/HC gate, however, if Whitley has a really bad year and Wburg is surprisingly good that year and Wburg beats us, then you know as well as i do, we'd never here the end of it.
The bigger schools have nothing to gain.
Now, in a situation like PCC and Hazard, it might look alright, because Hazard is a conteneder every year, but it would still look bad any time the bigger team loses.
It would have absoloutly no gain for the winning team.
Its the same reason Ive always been against a Whitley/Lynn Camp game.
Lynn Camp has beaten Whitley twice since 1989. But they'll always have those two years to refer back to, and Whitley cant refer to the other 20 because "we should have won" anyways.
Theres just no gain for the bigger schools.

One game i would be in support of is a Corbin/Whitley game. I think both teams would have something to take away from that game and you think a Harlan/HC game would bring in the money, a Whitley/Corbin game would probably double that.

Honestly, Williamsburg has a winning football record against the Whitley County. The series stopped when Mike Campbell took over the Whitley Job. I don't know if Williamsburg has anything to gain to play Whitley and vise versa. With that said, I think Harlan Co. will be first in the district, with Whitley Co. being second.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Honestly, Williamsburg has a winning football record against the Whitley County. The series stopped when Mike Campbell took over the Whitley Job. I don't know if Williamsburg has anything to gain to play Whitley and vise versa. With that said, I think Harlan Co. will be first in the district, with Whitley Co. being second.

You know that Whitley's program is COMPLETELY different than it was in the 80's. Whitley could barely scruff up a few wins before Campbell took over. Wburg had a winning record because Whitley didnt have anybody who knew what they were doing before Campbell came in. You know that is a fact.
Its a moronic thing to say Wburg has nothing to gain by playing Whitley. Its a 1A school who could potentially beat a 5A school and gain bragging rights.
Whitley on the other hand has nothing to gain. Losing to a 1A school like Wburg would kill a season IMO for Whitley.
Whitley should win that game every year. Wburg could have picked up some wins over Whitley over the last 20 years, but id say over the last 20, Whitley would have went 15-5 against Wburg. Its not a knock on Wburg, the bigger school should always win. Meaning, Whitley has nothing to gain. Id rather travel to Bowling Green every year than see a Whitley/Wburg game.
Its the same way i feel about Lynn Camp. Its time to end that series now and get a competetive game every year against a larger school. Why not trade that game for an annual series with North or South Laurel now that there in other districts? I know its a money thing, but to be honest, its getting old.

[HDE]

Whitley got bigger and stronger after Campbell took over and then became a different team. He did turn them around. That used to be an automatic win for Cawood in the old days.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Whitley got bigger and stronger after Campbell took over and then became a different team. He did turn them around. That used to be an automatic win for Cawood in the old days.

Before Campbell, the football program at Whitley was almost non existent. It was an automatic win for everyone. the program started in the early sixties and struggled mightily, only winning a handful of games each year.
Campbell was very smart and very young. When he took over he was the youngest head coach in the state at 24 i believe. He knew what it took in order to turn a program around. He built that thing up from the ground and quickly got the facilities Whitley needed in order to be a contender. Slowly but surely, kids bought in and you had some monsters on them teams Whitley had in the 90's and even into the early 00's. If it wasnt for the fact Whitley was stuck in a district with Bell and Rock for years, Whitley would probably have 7 or 8 more district titles in some of those other 3A districts.
All Whitley fans should be forever grateful for what he did at Whitley because had he not came along and stayed for almost 20 years, Whitley would still be in shambles.

[Bear_Paw]

I agree with most of what you are saying except, with the QB part. Don't be so sure on Jenkins just yet.....He has a challange on his hands by what alittle bird is singing....! The challange is Senior Austin Maggard! By the information collected is Senior Austin Maggard [which hasn't QB since Junior High] is focusing on moving to QB. Which he does have alot under his belt due to the facts he has been on the Varsity Team and Started for Tom Larkey since his Freshman Year. By what this little birdy told me his arm doesn't look to bad either. So this is just something to bring up in the air to watch for.

I don't know who will land at QB but I think HC like years past will have a lot of running backs to choose from. One thing is for sure is they will have to get Zack Caldwell on the field somewhere. Too big and strong just just sit and he is a gamer! Love this kid and if you want to see a pretty ball thrown just watch him chuck it some time. He has a cannon. In my opinion HC has got to get some linemen ready to play. If so they'll be fine on offense. I think their LB core will be fine, Whithead should move back to DE and if they can find another DE to match that should look good. But the biggest thing they must do is fnd a corner with speed and height. It was just too easy to throw on one corner this year.

[HDE]

I don't know who will land at QB but I think HC like years past will have a lot of running backs to choose from. One thing is for sure is they will have to get Zack Caldwell on the field somewhere. Too big and strong just just sit and he is a gamer! Love this kid and if you want to see a pretty ball thrown just watch him chuck it some time. He has a cannon. In my opinion HC has got to get some linemen ready to play. If so they'll be fine on offense. I think their LB core will be fine, Whithead should move back to DE and if they can find another DE to match that should look good. But the biggest thing they must do is fnd a corner with speed and height. It was just too easy to throw on one corner this year.

Zach is very athletic for someone who weighs 220-230. You don't see many people who play both quarterback and defensive tackle like he did on last year's freshman team.
My guess is Whitehead stays at linebacker after the year he had. Whitehead, Lewis and Middleton may be the three best linebackers in the district and one of them will have to play somewhere else. I think they could be just as good at the quick end with Fred Massey or Derek Akal.
The people expecting Harlan County to drop off next year have no idea how much depth they have now.

[Bear_Paw]

Agree but still concerned about line........