[RunItUpTheGut]

I think this is a topic that are popping up in a lot of places around the country where smaller towns have now become a little larger and have less of a bible belt tag around it.
Whats everyones opinion on this type of thing?

Personally i see it as a GREAT thing.
Currently Corbin allows the sale of alcohol at resteraunts who derive more than 70% of there profit from food sales.
If this passes, stores will be able to sale packaged alcohol, such as Walgreens, convienent stores, etc.
It also means resteraunts will only have to sale 50% in food sales to stay legal instead of 75%. IMO i dont think that should have changed. By leaving that open, you keep the bars out and dont allo that type of thing in. It was said best by a newspaper article i read yesterday that said, we should have resteraunts that serve alcohol instead of bars that serve food.

The reason i like the idea is because you do away with bootleggers who also sale stuff like pills and dope to people, especially underage kids. All of the stores will actually card this type of activity while bootleggers, as you know, wont.

IMO, it would be great tax money for the city and get a little bit of economic boom and growth around here. If it does pass here, you can bet your butt that London will also pass it within the next five years.

Also, currently, the closest place to buy beer is Jellico TN for the people of Corbin, which with the Tenn tax is about 6-7 more dollars for a case than it is in KY. If you dont want to go to Jellico, the next closest place is Richmond, which youll spend more gas money going than you would spend on beer.

I was also surprised to find out that in Tenn, a store cant sell both liquor and beer, only one or the other. I found that odd, but its law there.

I know it could cause the drunk driving rates to go up around here and stuff, but the drunks will get there beer anyways whether we have it here or not and people who would actually drive drunk, is only a bootlegger way from doing it. So, in the long run i think it could be great for the city itsself and hopefully the entire county could be wet, including Wburg.

Thoughts?

[TheRealVille]

I think all the counties around Cumberland Lake need to go wet. Think of the businesses that could be put in drawing in tourist money. Personally, I think all of KY should go wet, just like WV.

[Stardust]

Wow, I guess there are a lot of us that did not know there were still dry counties.

[TheRealVille]

Wow, I guess there are a lot of us that did not know there were still dry counties.

Just about all of Southern KY is dry. Of the 120 counties, around half are dry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dr...f_Kentucky

Of the 120 counties of Kentucky, 55 are completely dry and 30 are wet [1]. The remaining 35 counties are “moist, fall somewhere between.

Certain counties allow the sale of alcoholic beverages by the drink on golf courses located in dry counties.
Some wineries are allowed to operate within dry counties.
16 cities within dry counties have voted to allow restaurants above a specified size to serve drinks.
16 other cities are wet cities located in dry counties.
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controv...51076.html

[Stardust]

WOW, I just never knew

[LWC]

It was said best by a newspaper article i read yesterday that said, we should have resteraunts that serve alcohol instead of bars that serve food.

If that is truly the case, I have no problem with it.

I, personally, (the denomination that I serve in does not necessarily hold the same view) view gambling and alcohol the same: Moderation is the key.

[TheRealVille]

The churches in Paintsville ran adds on the radio when Paintsville was getting ready to vote, saying we would have strippers and hookers on every street corner. I have yet to see either, and believe me, I've kept my eyes open. :biggrin: They also said in those adds that drunks would be peeing behind every building. Haven't saw that either.

[Stardust]

If that is truly the case, I have no problem with it.

I, personally, (the denomination that I serve in does not necessarily hold the same view) view gambling and alcohol the same: Moderation is the key.

I agree LWC, but out view also ties into the new view on tolerance as a whole. And I believe I have fallen into that crowd that has helped make this country what it is today. I'm not a drinker, but I drink occasionally. I go to Vegas every year, and don't spend more than a $100 on any type of gambling, but gamble none-the-less. But that is far different than what I grew up with. My mentality now, would be considered a sure path to hell. And though I think that what I grew up with was wrong, I have to admit that it is only a view of tolerance. Now, when you look at what tolerance has turned into, we have a nation that is no longer God-Centered, as was our nation in all of it's early existence.

I'm not proclaiming one side in this post, but it's a fact that our tolerance for some things has allowed this country to be tolerant of all things. It's OK to be an illegal alien and get more benefits than any natural born american. It's OK for Abortion, marriages with a partner of the same sex, and to take the phrase "Under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance.

So, we don't want the cross over of State and Church, but we complain with the issues that have resulted from our tolerance and equality for all! We say we do not want God in our schools because there should because our tolerance should allow those who may be offended to have to participate in it. Then I hear the same people bitch and complain about foreigners who can't speak our language getting free medical care. Well, our tolerance in the New United States is to give freebies to everyone but those who have earned it.

So, in todays world, I am still shocked to see "Dry" counties.

[nky]

The churches in Paintsville ran adds on the radio when Paintsville was getting ready to vote, saying we would have strippers and hookers on every street corner. I have yet to see either, and believe me, I've kept my eyes open. :biggrin: They also said in those adds that drunks would be peeing behind every building. Haven't saw that either.

Yea baby
I know where my next guys "fishing" trip weekend will be

[Old School]

And the pro alcohol supporters said that Paintsville would benefit with increased tax dollars and new restuarants, and I've yet to see either.

[RunItUpTheGut]

WOW, I just never knew

As realville said, its almost completely dry every where around here.
Personally, i only drink casually and am not affected either way by the decision, except for the fact it could bring jobs to this community and open up many buinesses, especially resteraunt wise.
As i said in my first post, the closest place to get alcohol if you live in Corbin or london is Jellico TN. Problem with that is, a case of bud light in Richmond is about 18 bucks, give or take. In Jellico, with TN taxes, your lucky if you get a case for 25, so pretty much a dollar a beer.
If you do drive to Richmond, which from exit 25 or 29 in Corbin, is about 60 miles away, your out more gas money than you would have been going to Jellico.
So who gets all the money, bootleggers. Untaxed money that they will sell to a 10 year old if hes got enough cash. Plus at most bootleggers its a dollar a beer, from what ive been told :biggrin: so your paying the same you would in Tenn.

I think a lot of people are scared of some of the buinesses it might being in, but at the same time, if you dont like those businesses, dont go.

[vundy33]

Also, currently, the closest place to buy beer is Jellico TN for the people of Corbin, which with the Tenn tax is about 6-7 more dollars for a case than it is in KY. If you dont want to go to Jellico, the next closest place is Richmond, which youll spend more gas money going than you would spend on beer.

Damn...that sucks.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Damn...that sucks.

Tell me about it...

[Stardust]

As realville said, its almost completely dry every where around here.
Personally, i only drink casually and am not affected either way by the decision, except for the fact it could bring jobs to this community and open up many buinesses, especially resteraunt wise.
As i said in my first post, the closest place to get alcohol if you live in Corbin or london is Jellico TN. Problem with that is, a case of bud light in Richmond is about 18 bucks, give or take. In Jellico, with TN taxes, your lucky if you get a case for 25, so pretty much a dollar a beer.
If you do drive to Richmond, which from exit 25 or 29 in Corbin, is about 60 miles away, your out more gas money than you would have been going to Jellico.
So who gets all the money, bootleggers. Untaxed money that they will sell to a 10 year old if hes got enough cash. Plus at most bootleggers its a dollar a beer, from what ive been told :biggrin: so your paying the same you would in Tenn.

I think a lot of people are scared of some of the buinesses it might being in, but at the same time, if you dont like those businesses, dont go.

I'm filling my pick-up truck right NOW! Give me two hours and I will driving through a town near you...

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
lol, its lucrative career choice.

[SKINNYPIG]

As realville said, its almost completely dry every where around here.
Personally, i only drink casually and am not affected either way by the decision, except for the fact it could bring jobs to this community and open up many buinesses, especially resteraunt wise.
As i said in my first post, the closest place to get alcohol if you live in Corbin or london is Jellico TN. Problem with that is, a case of bud light in Richmond is about 18 bucks, give or take. In Jellico, with TN taxes, your lucky if you get a case for 25, so pretty much a dollar a beer.
If you do drive to Richmond, which from exit 25 or 29 in Corbin, is about 60 miles away, your out more gas money than you would have been going to Jellico.
So who gets all the money, bootleggers. Untaxed money that they will sell to a 10 year old if hes got enough cash. Plus at most bootleggers its a dollar a beer, from what ive been told :biggrin: so your paying the same you would in Tenn.

I think a lot of people are scared of some of the buinesses it might being in, but at the same time, if you dont like those businesses, dont go.

Manchester recently passed and has began package sales. Is that closer than Jellico?

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
Nope.
To get to Manchester you have to drive on the Hal Rogers parkway at 55mph not including the drive to london to even get to the hal rogers parkway. Its about hour and fifteen minute drive from corbin.
Then, you got Jellico which is a straight shot down I-75 for 25 miles at 80 mph, so you can be to jellico and back within 45 minutes, plus the beer places are literally right beside the exits in jellico.

I would assume it would be closer for people in london to go to manchester, id say itd be the same drive either way if you lived in london.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Heres the story...

Corbin group submits signatures for alcohol vote, wants Feb. 14 vote on the issue

Corbin voters will soon be deciding whether they want expanded alcohol sales.

Kurt Kraus, Chairman of the Citizens for Economic Progress, filed a petition at 11:54 a.m. Monday with the Whitley County Clerk's Office, which calls for a special election to decide the matter early next year.

"We presented them with the original all inclusive petition for both counties," he said Monday morning.

The group is asking that the special election be held on Feb. 14, which is within the 30-day time frame Whitley County Judge-Executive Pat White has to schedule the election.

The official question on the ballot will be: "Are you in favor of the sale of alcoholic beverages in Corbin, Kentucky?"

If passed, Corbin would likely be allowed to issue three licenses to stores to sell package liquor of any type. An unlimited number of licenses could be issued to grocery stores, convenient marts and the like for beer sales. Also, restrictions on sales of alcohol at restaurants would become more lax. Currently, restaurants that sell alcohol must have at least 70 percent of their gross receipts come from food sales. That would drop to 50 percent.

The Corbin group began organizing its effort to place the question on the ballot about two months ago, and the petition contains about 700 total signatures, Kraus said.

About 60 verified signatures are needed for the Knox County portion of Corbin and about 350 verified signatures are needed for the Whitley County side of Corbin in order to place the matter on the ballot, he said.

Kraus said he doesn't know how voters will cast their ballots when they go to the polls, and what the chances are of the measure passing.

Whitley County Clerk Kay Schwartz said her office will have to verify the signatures on the ballot to see that they are registered voters in Corbin city limits, and to make sure the same signatures aren't on there more than once.

"We are still awaiting the statistical reports from the state board of elections on the voter turnout for the general election, which should be here in a few days," she said.

The process will likely take a few weeks. Then the petition will be presented to the Whitley County Fiscal Court at the January monthly meeting.

White will then issue an executive order scheduling the special election no sooner than 60 days after the petition was filed and no later than 90 days after it was filed, Schwartz said.

"There is a 30-day period where we can have the election," she said.

A petition is currently circulating in Williamsburg to place an alcohol referendum on the ballot, which would allow alcohol sales at restaurants that seat at least 100 people, and derive 70 percent of their sales from food purchases.

Paul Croley, a Williamsburg lawyer involved in the petition drive, said Tuesday morning that he anticipates having more than enough signatures to place the matter on the ballot relatively soon.

"We hope to file the petition before the first of the year," he said.

Whether the petition gets filed in time for both special elections to be held on the same day remains to be seen, but Croley said it is something organizers are considering.

"I don't know that we will have the petition ready to file in time to do it in conjunction with their election," Croley said about the Corbin vote.

From what i understand, there are MANY big backers for this now and big city players wanting this.
I think it will be a done deal after the vote, as long as we have one.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Barbourville also prepares for a vote on alcohol sales

224 of 262 signatures on petition verified by Knox Co. officials

Enough signatures have been gathered in Barbourville to give that city’s residents the chance to vote on whether or not alcohol sales should be allowed in the city.

The petition, which was delivered about 1:30 p.m. Tuesday, contained a total of 262 signatures, according to Knox County Clerk Mike Corey.

Corey’s office immediately began the process of verifying the signatures belonged to registered voters who live within the Barbourville city limits.

About four hours later, Corey said the verification process was completed. Of the signatures, 38 couldn’t be verified, which left 224 valid signatures.

The number of signatures required to call for a special election is based upon the number of city residents who voted in the last general election. Based on that figure, Corey said about 136 signatures were needed on the petition.

Once the signatures were verified, state law requires the county’s fiscal court to order the special election.

Judge/Executive J.M. Hall has opted to hold a special called meeting of the Knox County Fiscal Court at 6 p.m. Monday to give the public notice that the petition has been received.

Hall said anyone who wishes to review the petition can do so during normal business hours at the Knox County Clerk’s Office in Barbourville. Any individual who believes his or her name was placed on the petition without his or her authorization can ask it be removed.

During an interview Wednesday, Hall said he does not believe the petition contains any fraudulent signatures.

The petition calls for the special election to be held Tuesday, Feb. 7. Voters will be asked, “Are you in favor of the sale of alcoholic beverages in Barbourville, Kentucky?”

Any registered voter who lives within Barbourville’s city limits can vote in the special election, which Corey said will encompass six precincts.

Corey said state law requires his office to close the books and not take further voter registrations 28 days prior to a special election. He said that means any city resident who wishes to vote in the February election must register by the end of office hours Monday, Jan. 9.

The fiscal court will be required to pay for the special election, which Corey estimated could cost about $6,000.

Although his office must pay for the election, Hall pointed out the county will receive no benefit if alcohol sales are allowed in Barbourville since all taxes generated will go to the city.

Corey said the petition was delivered by Randy Jewell, a Barbourville attorney.

Calls to Jewell’s office Wednesday weren’t returned.

http://thetimestribune.com/local/x781758...cohol-vote

[vundy33]

Good luck to ya man, haha.

I'm with Dusty, I didn't think there were many dry areas around home anymore.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Dry Counties in KY

1.Adair
2.Allen
3.Ballard
4.Barren
5.Bath
6.Bell
7.Breathitt
8.Breckenridge
9.Butler
10.Caldwell
11.Carlisle
12.Carter
13.Casey
14.Clay
15.Clinton
16.Crittenden
17.Cumberland
18.Edmonson
19.Elliott
20.Estill
21.Fleming
22.Garrard
23.Grant
24.Graves
25.Grayson
26.Greenup
27.Hancock
28.Hickman
29.Jackson
30.Johnson
31.Knox
32.Knott
33.LaRue
34.Laurel
35.Lawrence
36.Lee
37.Leslie
38.Letcher
39.Lincoln
40.Livingston
41.Marshall
42.Martin
43.McCreary
44.McCreary
45.McLean
46.Menifee
47.Mercer
48.Metcalfe
49.Monroe
50.Morgan
51.Ohio
52.Oldham
53.Owen
54.Owsley
55.Powell
56.Pulaski
57.Robertson
58.Rockcastle
59.Russell
60.Shelby
61.Simpson
62.Spencer
63.Taylor
64.Trimble
65.Trigg
66.Wayne
67.Webster
68.Whitley
69.Woodford

[vundy33]

Good God...they need to get laid or something. Lighten up. No wonder we make the best moonshine in the world.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Here is an attachment with the dry counties in KY.
I made the dry counties black so you could see just how much of KY is still dry.
Whitley County is highlighted in red so that you can see how theres no where close in KY.
As someone else stated, Clay can now sale i think but according to the site i fot this from, there till dry, either way you can see all of far SE KY is still dry for the most part, and i think some of you will be surprised at how many counties are still dry, especially counties that are neigboring big city/counties.
It looks like Harlan County is close to the naked eye, howevr, to get to Harlan County from Corbin you have to drive an hour up 25E then hit 119 (i think) for another 30-45 minutes.
Its actually closer for people who live in barbourville, pineville, or mboro to drive to Virginia.

[vundy33]

I would hate to live down there. You look so far from everything, lol.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I would hate to live down there. You look so far from everything, lol.

Trust me, i thought that when i was younger and i wanted to get out of here quicker than hell.
But, its a great place to raise kids. The schools systems in this county are 3 of the best in the state now and its just big enough to do something, but small enough to be left alone.

And on the contrary, while we look so far from everything, its kind of nice to be in the middle and have a choice where you want to go. Im sure kids who actually live in LEX hate the town once they get burnt out on it, while living here, you an hour away from Lex, hour away from Knoxville, under two hours from lville, and only an hour and hlaf away from gatlinburg, sevierville, etc.
So really, in an hours time i could go to 3 or 4 major cities.

One thing that helps is your on the I 75 Corridor.
I 75 literally runs all the way through Whitley County, all 27 miles.

[LWC]

I have known a lot of people that were born and raised IN Lexington. Once they become adults and get jobs, they move to surrounding counties like Wofford, Bourbon, etc... so that they can be close but not inside city limits.

[TheRealVille]

To be fair, Johnson is dry, but Paintsville is wet. Johnson is such a small county, anybody living out in the county can make it to Paintsville in a short time to purchase. I look for Johnson to go wet before long, when the rest of the county sees that nothing has changed since Paintsville went wet.


I read a statistic somewhere during the Paintsville wet election from the state police, that says when a county goes wet, DUI's historically actually go down in that county.

[Stardust]

RealVille, what is the reasoning for Dry County's in this day and age? Again, I'm asking from an ignorant standpoint. Spending my 40 plus years in an area that has never experienced such practices, I guess I don't understand the purpose any longer.

[NothingTrivial]

I know about where TRV is from Dusty, but I spent 20+ years in Bell County and can attest to why it isn't a wet county. For the most part in Bell, churches and bootleggers are against it, so its not getting done.

[LWC]

If a place can vote on whether or not to allow alcohol sales in their city/county, I am all for it.

If I am not mistaken, Russell County had a vote like this, and it was voted to remain dry. I have heard similar stories as well.