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12-03-2010, 09:30 AM
cksportsfan Wrote:mr.charlie hustle,The outcome of the game is inconsequential. That is your choice of belief and statement. I believe that this young man has a right to praise his god any time that he desires. That is his personal situation and he did not choose a time that conflicted with man's game. For it he and his team were punished. That in this day and time is very understandable. As I said earlier,I saw many displays following scores which included everything from high fives to fists being shook in the air and no flags were thrown. A rebuke of God was shown in this case. That sir is a dangerous call I would not want to make.
Not sure what this thread has to with drugs (your reference) or homosexuals (Westside's reference).
If you're ONLY making the gesture at a certain time, you're doing it to draw attention to yourself. Whether it's point to the sky to praise god, throat slash, the DDP Diamond Cutter (from WCW/WWF fame), whatever, if you're doing with the intent to draw attention to yourself.
And like I said earlier, it's amazing how many kids/coaches bring up God when they win and NEVER mention him when they lose. I thought you were supposed to like him no matter what?
The next time I see a HS football player do the point-to-the-sky routine at a point time not after a touchdown/made FG/XP ... will be the first time. That's the issue.
Plus, doing it can be seen as a slap in the face to the other team. So you were special enough that God helped you score a TD but he couldn't help the 11 players on the other team trying to stop you? Please. I'd hope he'd have far more important things to worry about than who scored a TD in high school football game.
I'm not saying don't pray for someone who's hurt. Happens all the time and not just in sports.
But there's a big, huge, GIGANTIC difference in the physical welfare of a teenager (former) and the outcome of a game (latter).
Do you really think God should be invoked in the latter?
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12-03-2010, 01:39 PM
TDs are scored in games all the time without the finger to the sky.
Does that mean the scorer doesn't praise God because they simply didn't do the point to the sky routine?
Does that mean the scorer doesn't praise God because they simply didn't do the point to the sky routine?
12-03-2010, 03:49 PM
cksportsfan Wrote:TDs are scored in games all the time without the finger to the sky.Certainly not.I hope.
Does that mean the scorer doesn't praise God because they simply didn't do the point to the sky routine?
12-04-2010, 01:46 AM
This was terrible! Kid wasn't taunting, mooning or texting after his touchdown! he pointed toward Heaven. Could have been pointing to God or a missed loved one. I applaud the kid!
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12-04-2010, 06:34 AM
OffTheHook Wrote:This was terrible! Kid wasn't taunting, mooning or texting after his touchdown! he pointed toward Heaven. Could have been pointing to God or a missed loved one. I applaud the kid!
Amen :Thumbs:
12-04-2010, 11:06 AM
OffTheHook Wrote:This was terrible! Kid wasn't taunting, mooning or texting after his touchdown! he pointed toward Heaven. Could have been pointing to God or a missed loved one. I applaud the kid!Agreed! What would have happened if he was a muslim and started pointing to his god and mumbling some crap about death to America? Maybe a flag would start the lawsuits flying!
12-04-2010, 11:30 AM
I don't think a flag should have been thrown but God does not need a player waving his finger on a football field to get His attention. Save the public testimony for the after game comments to the media. I don't believe God takes sides in high school football games.
12-04-2010, 12:35 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:I don't think a flag should have been thrown but God does not need a player waving his finger on a football field to get His attention. Save the public testimony for the after game comments to the media. I don't believe God takes sides in high school football games.I think you are right Hoot I am sure that God does not take sides in somehing as trivial as a football game. The issue here appears to be personal praise to someone who permitted that game to be played.
12-04-2010, 12:45 PM
mr.charlie hustle Wrote:I think you are right Hoot I am sure that God does not take sides in somehing as trivial as a football game. The issue here appears to be personal praise to someone who permitted that game to be played.That personal praise can be kept between the player of God for four quarters (or delivered on the sidelines). I would rather see this kind of behavior as dancing in the end zone and spiking the football but I think that just handing the football to the referee and sprinting back to the sidelines is the classiest way to behave following a touchdown.
12-04-2010, 07:38 PM
AMEN>>>I would tell this young child to do whats in his heart.. and HOOT GIBSON,I hope and pray every football game my son plays in that the lord is watching over him,so Yes I believe the Lord is in attendance of every game my son plays in.. The Bible says Deny me on this earth and Ill deny you in front of my Father in Heaven..And it also says that EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW
12-04-2010, 07:47 PM
loyalhawkfan Wrote:AMEN>>>I would tell this young child to do whats in his heart.. and HOOT GIBSON,I hope and pray every football game my son plays in that the lord is watching over him,so Yes I believe the Lord is in attendance of every game my son plays in.. The Bible says Deny me on this earth and Ill deny you in front of my Father in Heaven..And it also says that EVERY KNEE SHALL BOWNobody said that He is not in attendance at every game. I just do not think that He favors either team over the other. Why is it a more appropriate time for a player to point to the heavens and give thanks after scoring a touchdown than it is following any other play? The answer is it isn't.
12-04-2010, 07:48 PM
loyalhawkfan Wrote:AMEN>>>I would tell this young child to do whats in his heart.. and HOOT GIBSON,I hope and pray every football game my son plays in that the lord is watching over him,so Yes I believe the Lord is in attendance of every game my son plays in.. The Bible says Deny me on this earth and Ill deny you in front of my Father in Heaven..And it also says that EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW
Well said :Thumbs:
I think the kid pointing to the sky was a very humble act. And you all are right, a true Christian will praise God after a fumble as well as after a touchdown. But there are different ways of praise. After a fumble, you can praise Him by keeping your cool, not cursing, and remaining faithful that God's Will will be done. And I do believe that God cares about football games. Maybe not in the same way that we do, but he does care about them, He gave us the ability and opportunity to play football.
12-04-2010, 07:51 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Nobody said that He is not in attendance at every game. I just do not think that He favors either team over the other. Why is it a more appropriate time for a player to point to the heavens and give thanks after scoring a touchdown than it is following any other play? The answer is it isn't.
You never know. We don't know how He works. In my sports experiences, I know God used games to teach me.
12-04-2010, 09:40 PM
I applaud the kid.I know and believe with all my heart that god is all knowing and forgiving.I love see kids give credit to GOD for he is the one who gives us breath, talent,everything. I also think that we all come short in giving God the praise he deserves,weither it be in a football game or whatever!!!!
12-04-2010, 09:44 PM
MSU Eagle Wrote:Well said :Thumbs:
I think the kid pointing to the sky was a very humble act. And you all are right, a true Christian will praise God after a fumble as well as after a touchdown. But there are different ways of praise. After a fumble, you can praise Him by keeping your cool, not cursing, and remaining faithful that God's Will will be done. And I do believe that God cares about football games. Maybe not in the same way that we do, but he does care about them, He gave us the ability and opportunity to play football.
AMEN, I agree:Thumbs:
12-04-2010, 11:08 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Nobody said that He is not in attendance at every game. I just do not think that He favors either team over the other. Why is it a more appropriate time for a player to point to the heavens and give thanks after scoring a touchdown than it is following any other play? The answer is it isn't.Mr.G I have said this before,but God does not make a difference between two teams.Has there been someone else on the threads besides yourself who believes that he does. As to the timing referred to in your post, it may be that the kid felt the time was right for him to be thankful. The players decision, not mine not yours. Was the player genuine? I don't know,but the book I read says "Judge not lest ye be judged".
12-04-2010, 11:10 PM
oak 76 Wrote:I applaud the kid.I know and believe with all my heart that god is all knowing and forgiving.I love see kids give credit to GOD for he is the one who gives us breath, talent,everything. I also think that we all come short in giving God the praise he deserves,weither it be in a football game or whatever!!!!
Amen!
12-05-2010, 12:58 AM
I think people are making something political and worse then what it really is. Do I think the referee was wrong in throwing the flag, although he was following the rules. Yes. Do I think he was an anti-religion zealot who was looking for any reason to strike back at Christian football players. No. Passing judgement goes both ways. He who is without sin cast the first stone.
12-05-2010, 01:36 AM
mr.charlie hustle Wrote:Mr.G I have said this before,but God does not make a difference between two teams.Has there been someone else on the threads besides yourself who believes that he does. As to the timing referred to in your post, it may be that the kid felt the time was right for him to be thankful. The players decision, not mine not yours. Was the player genuine? I don't know,but the book I read says "Judge not lest ye be judged".
The kid could have been remembering a lost loved one, who knows?
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12-05-2010, 01:49 AM
TheBrahmaBull Wrote:Saw a kid from Mayfield do the same thing and he was not flagged.
I am sure some rules vary from state to state as well as an officials judgement.
12-05-2010, 03:31 AM
TheBrahmaBull Wrote:The kid could have been remembering a lost loved one, who knows?
And the loved one got remembered ONLY after a TD? How coincidental.
Like Hoot Gibson said, how come all of these praiseworthy and humble kids "just happen" to do so ONLY after TDs? It can't be that coincidental THAT many times. No way. No how.
It's a trend that started with NFL/college players and has filtered down. You don't have to draw attention to yourself to praise him or make the TD seem humble.
If you're going to perform this routine after a TD, you should be doing it when you fumble, get burned deep by a WR, miss a kick or get lit up as well.
But it NEVER happens. Watch a game - NFL, ncaa, prep, whatever - and see how many times you see the point to the sky after a TD compared to the 90 percent of the game that DIDN'T involve TDs. It's a startling statistic.
It's not just football. I've seen it with kids scoring goals in soccer, touching home plate after home runs in baseball and hitting clutch free throws in basketball.
But not once after they strike out, miss the soccer goal completely or brick a free throw? I guess they forget to praise God every single one of those times too?
God doesn't care if you score a TD or fumble the ball. And you shouldn't act like he deserves a public point-to-the-sky praise ONLY when you score a TD, either.
12-05-2010, 07:37 AM
mr.charlie hustle Wrote:Mr.G I have said this before,but God does not make a difference between two teams.Has there been someone else on the threads besides yourself who believes that he does. As to the timing referred to in your post, it may be that the kid felt the time was right for him to be thankful. The players decision, not mine not yours. Was the player genuine? I don't know,but the book I read says "Judge not lest ye be judged".In the Biblical sense, nobody is judging anybody in this thread. if you think they are, then you should apply the same passage of the Bible to the referee who threw the flag and criticize everybody who has voiced an opinion either way for "judging" and point the finger at yourself for judging me for voicing an opinion on the subject.
12-05-2010, 08:16 AM
[quote=oak 76]I applaud the kid.I know and believe with all my heart that god is all knowing and forgiving.I love see kids give credit to GOD for he is the one who gives us breath, talent,everything. I also think that we all come short in giving God the praise he deserves,weither it be in a football game or whatever!!!![/QUOTE
This country has lost it's common sense and I can't believe we are even talking about this, God help us.
This country has lost it's common sense and I can't believe we are even talking about this, God help us.
12-05-2010, 09:43 AM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:In the Biblical sense, nobody is judging anybody in this thread. if you think they are, then you should apply the same passage of the Bible to the referee who threw the flag and criticize everybody who has voiced an opinion either way for "judging" and point the finger at yourself for judging me for voicing an opinion on the subject.Again Mr.G. you seem to be adding to and taking away( not and I mean not in a Bibical sense).To further clarify, I am not making a Bibical reference to the official call by the ref. nor the rule in question. I am however concerned about anyone or thing that might question this young man's relationships with God. The rule is terrible but a clear example of how our world has turned.Please be advised that I was in no way attempting to Bibically judge you or anyone else. There is no place for politics with God, but the world is a wide open hole.
12-05-2010, 10:00 AM
pigskin Wrote:[quote=oak 76]I applaud the kid.I know and believe with all my heart that god is all knowing and forgiving.I love see kids give credit to GOD for he is the one who gives us breath, talent,everything. I also think that we all come short in giving God the praise he deserves,weither it be in a football game or whatever!!!![/QUOTE
This country has lost it's common sense and I can't believe we are even talking about this, God help us.
I agree. Common sense has went out of the window on both sides of the spectrum.
12-05-2010, 10:02 AM
mr.charlie hustle Wrote:Again Mr.G. you seem to be adding to and taking away( not and I mean not in a Bibical sense).To further clarify, I am not making a Bibical reference to the official call by the ref. nor the rule in question. I am however concerned about anyone or thing that might question this young man's relationships with God. The rule is terrible but a clear example of how our world has turned.Please be advised that I was in no way attempting to Bibically judge you or anyone else. There is no place for politics with God, but the world is a wide open hole.I have not noticed anybody trying to make this a "political" issue. The opinion that raising one's finger to the skies after torching an opponent on a football field for a touchdown is an act to draw attention to one's self is just as valid as the opinion that such an act is somehow "humble." I am as sure that some players act in such a way out of a sincere desire to give thanks to God and I am that other players do so to bask in the personal glory that comes with making a big play for a few more seconds. IMO, a player who scores should be looking for his teammates to congratulate them.
As I said in my first post, I think that it is entirely appropriate for Christians (or players of other faiths) to give God credit for making individual and team athletic accomplishments possible during media interviews. Raising a finger skyward and mumbling a few words that nobody else in the stadium can hear does nothing to glorify God, IMO - but you are certainly entitled to your own opinion on the subject.
As for the referee's flag, I think that if the rule compelled him to throw it, then the rule should be changed. Brief celebrations of any big play should not be discouraged, whether the celebration is religious in nature or not - although taunting and rehearsed dance moves should always draw a flag.
12-05-2010, 01:16 PM
cksportsfan Wrote:And the loved one got remembered ONLY after a TD? How coincidental.
Like Hoot Gibson said, how come all of these praiseworthy and humble kids "just happen" to do so ONLY after TDs? It can't be that coincidental THAT many times. No way. No how.
It's a trend that started with NFL/college players and has filtered down. You don't have to draw attention to yourself to praise him or make the TD seem humble.
If you're going to perform this routine after a TD, you should be doing it when you fumble, get burned deep by a WR, miss a kick or get lit up as well.
But it NEVER happens. Watch a game - NFL, ncaa, prep, whatever - and see how many times you see the point to the sky after a TD compared to the 90 percent of the game that DIDN'T involve TDs. It's a startling statistic.
It's not just football. I've seen it with kids scoring goals in soccer, touching home plate after home runs in baseball and hitting clutch free throws in basketball.
But not once after they strike out, miss the soccer goal completely or brick a free throw? I guess they forget to praise God every single one of those times too?
God doesn't care if you score a TD or fumble the ball. And you shouldn't act like he deserves a public point-to-the-sky praise ONLY when you score a TD, either.
Although I've never met you, I'll recognize you if I did. You'll be the guy walking around with your arm pointing in the air nonstop, 24/7. And apparently that's the only way to praise God, people can't praise Him any other way than pointing to the sky. Glad you cleared that up for me...
12-05-2010, 01:17 PM
pigskin Wrote:[quote=oak 76]I applaud the kid.I know and believe with all my heart that god is all knowing and forgiving.I love see kids give credit to GOD for he is the one who gives us breath, talent,everything. I also think that we all come short in giving God the praise he deserves,weither it be in a football game or whatever!!!