[BoondockSaint]

So just what does it take?

To me, and especially around EKY, it sounds like you could be a Presidential candidate before being qualified to be a head football coach.

What counts most?

*Knowledge of the game.
*The ability to apply that knowledge to student-athletes.
*Motivation.
*Work ethic.
*Discipline.
*X's and O's.
*Money
Educational Job
*Parent Appreciation (Just kidding parents, nobody really cares what your opinion is, seriously!)
What say you?

[BlackcatAlum]

This thread should help you out...

http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/sho...hp?t=28629

[gish]

In East KY? Who you know.

[bac2369]

i agree 110% with gish,, its who you know around here.

[Lisa Douglas]

It certainly helps!

[Possum Bait]

There are many issues involved. Contrary to what many good ole boys think, a coach is supposed to be a trained educator. Although some do not demonstrate it in any manner, coaches have been trained in school law, psychology, educational theory, writing, oral communication, the liberal arts and many other subjects. There is also the question of state certification which carries a host of legal issues.

It is not the training in X and O's that are at question. Many good ole boys know more football than coaches. Watch high school football any three weekends in a row and you will for sure see at least one coach who does not jack about the sport.

[IRISH4]

In East KY? Who you know.

Agreed, it just seems that for a while now it all boils down to politics.

[Elwayfan]

Legendary coaches all have one thing in common: They all have the respect of their players and assistant coaches. Now, there are a few ways to gain that respect, but there are many ways to lose it. Coaches have to find out what works for them. It don't just come about overnight.

I think coaches should have all of these traits:

-great work ethic
-non-conflicting personality
-attention to small details(on and off the field)
-great character
-of course x's and o's
-last but not least, a desire to win like no other.

[gish]

-non-conflicting personality
.

The only people that have conflicting personalities are players. Coaches should not have to worry about making people mad or not because it is their way or the highway more often then not. I'm pretty sure if you ask Chuck Knoll, Bill Parcells, Bill Belicheck or Bobby Knight they will tell you the same thing.

[The Private]

positive role model on and off the field,will not play politics, knowledge of the game,accepted in the community,remember it is only a game not life or death. remember to be a positive role model the kids are watching. Also play with your own kids don;t be a recruiting

[Possum Bait]

gish,

Based on your statement, I am guessing that you are a young coach with little public experience or a bitter old coach that has been battered to the point of frustration.

Coaches that do not cooperate in a cordually manner with parents have very little chance of long term success. You need the parents.

Coaches that do not work cordually with the school administration and coworkers soon find themselves packing up. You need the support of the faculty and administration.

Coaches that do not maintain good relationships with his kids are doomed to failure. You have to have the kids.


Contrary to what most coaches seem to believe recruiting and marketing are critical to the success of a high school program. Good coaches relentlessly recruit the hall ways of their own school. When a kid quits, he goes and gets the kid and talks him into coming back out. When reguired to get a kid out or keep a kid out, a good coach will go to the players house and have supper with mom and dad. A good coach consistently markets himself and his program with elementary students and their parents.

A guy like Bob Knight would last about one season here in the mountains before his house was burned, his car was vandalized or he was assaulted. High school students are children. If you want to get a good ole redneck family stirred up, disrespect their child. You can easily make 100 lifelong enemies (uncles, aunts, cousins, the whole clan) with one off color remark. I guarantee you that when you alienate one big family, it will cost you two or three good players in a 10 year period.

For that matter every one you PO will most likely cost you down the road.

Those two or three players often mean the difference between winning and losing. You never know when you are going to need a donation for one item or another. (POed people do not donate).

[gish]

gish,

Based on your statement, I am guessing that you are a young coach with little public experience or a bitter old coach that has been battered to the point of frustration.

Coaches that do not cooperate in a cordually manner with parents have very little chance of long term success. You need the parents.

Coaches that do not work cordually with the school administration and coworkers soon find themselves packing up. You need the support of the faculty and administration.

Coaches that do not maintain good relationships with his kids are doomed to failure. You have to have the kids.


Contrary to what most coaches seem to believe recruiting and marketing are critical to the success of a high school program. Good coaches relentlessly recruit the hall ways of their own school. When a kid quits, he goes and gets the kid and talks him into coming back out. When reguired to get a kid out or keep a kid out, a good coach will go to the players house and have supper with mom and dad. A good coach consistently markets himself and his program with elementary students and their parents.

A guy like Bob Knight would last about one season here in the mountains before his house was burned, his car was vandalized or he was assaulted. High school students are children. If you want to get a good ole redneck family stirred up, disrespect their child. You can easily make 100 lifelong enemies (uncles, aunts, cousins, the whole clan) with one off color remark. I guarantee you that when you alienate one big family, it will cost you two or three good players in a 10 year period.

For that matter every one you PO will most likely cost you down the road.

Those two or three players often mean the difference between winning and losing. You never know when you are going to need a donation for one item or another. (POed people do not donate).

Actually no, I am a college athlete that has been exposed to coaches at the highest level (Division 1 and professional). So I think I may know just a little bit about what I am talking about.

I think I am correct in what I say, but our interpretation of a "conflicting personalities" is different.

I am well aware of the whole public personality . The whole shaking hands, kissing baby's faces, and around here who's rear end. But I was referring to conflicting with the players. You are correct in saying you have to have the players. If a player doesn't want to play for the coach, they won't win. But a coach also has to have a firm hand on his program. You can't go around trying to please everyone. I feel like there is always going to be conflict. A kid is going to think that his coaches are stupid for calling this defense, or calling this play, or letting one kid play more then the other. To me that's conflict. But that's not something the coach has to worry about. He has to have kids that buy into his system and believe everything he is doing. And I'm sorry, but if a kid doesn't buy into what I'm selling then I don't want him around.

The comment you make about Bob Knight is a good example of what is wrong with this area as a whole. Kids grow up being babied and they go off to college where they are treated like men and not 12 years olds and they pack up their things and go home. I feel like coaches and most educators in this area are doing our young people injustices. They are not preparing students and student-athletes for REAL LIFE. Isn't that why people go into this profession? To mold and develop young people for success in life? Why does it have to start in college? Why can't it start in this high school? And I think i know what you mean by disrespecting someones child, and I know you can't dog cuss someone and demean. But some people have the perception that their child should play ever second, and if not that is disrespect.

Everything you say about off the field, or off the court is correct. You must be a model citizen and you must be a large part of the community if you want to be successful. I'm merely talking about behind the scenes.
I come from a long line of coaches, my grandfather coaches in highschool and college for over 30 years, and my dad the same. And I am exposed and have been exposed to professionals every single day. So I feel like I may have a pretty good grasp on what I'm talking about.

[Elwayfan]

Actually no, I am a college athlete that has been exposed to coaches at the highest level (Division 1 and professional). So I think I may know just a little bit about what I am talking about.

I think I am correct in what I say, but our interpretation of a "conflicting personalities" is different.

I am well aware of the whole public personality . The whole shaking hands, kissing baby's faces, and around here who's rear end. But I was referring to conflicting with the players. You are correct in saying you have to have the players. If a player doesn't want to play for the coach, they won't win. But a coach also has to have a firm hand on his program. You can't go around trying to please everyone. I feel like there is always going to be conflict. A kid is going to think that his coaches are stupid for calling this defense, or calling this play, or letting one kid play more then the other. To me that's conflict. But that's not something the coach has to worry about. He has to have kids that buy into his system and believe everything he is doing. And I'm sorry, but if a kid doesn't buy into what I'm selling then I don't want him around.

The comment you make about Bob Knight is a good example of what is wrong with this area as a whole. Kids grow up being babied and they go off to college where they are treated like men and not 12 years olds and they pack up their things and go home. I feel like coaches and most educators in this area are doing our young people injustices. They are not preparing students and student-athletes for REAL LIFE. Isn't that why people go into this profession? To mold and develop young people for success in life? Why does it have to start in college? Why can't it start in this high school? And I think i know what you mean by disrespecting someones child, and I know you can't dog cuss someone and demean. But some people have the perception that their child should play ever second, and if not that is disrespect.

Everything you say about off the field, or off the court is correct. You must be a model citizen and you must be a large part of the community if you want to be successful. I'm merely talking about behind the scenes.
I come from a long line of coaches, my grandfather coaches in highschool and college for over 30 years, and my dad the same. And I am exposed and have been exposed to professionals every single day. So I feel like I may have a pretty good grasp on what I'm talking about.

I was the one who said "non-conflicting personality." A better choice of words may have been "positive personality." What I mean is that a coach has to make his players and community feel that he is with them and not against them. If a player messes up on or off the field, of course the coach should correct, teach, and discipline if necassary. the players should feel that a coach is there for them at all times through whatever. A coach that has a negative attitude or personality can probably get kids to do whatever they ask, but with a positive or non-conflicting personality most of your kids will do the right thing without the coach having to tell them because they won't want to let the coach down. Mike Krzyzewski comes to mind when talking about qualifications as a coach!

[NKYCOACH]

I feel that a definition of a good coach is someone who prepares his players for life. I played and coached under Bob Schnieder at NCC and he does a great job at preparing his players for the real world. I feel that it is your staff that needs to be great at X's and O's. Of course you need to know some football, but your job as a head coach is to be a motivator and get the most out of your players.

[BigZig]

I feel that a definition of a good coach is someone who prepares his players for life. I played and coached under Bob Schnieder at NCC and he does a great job at preparing his players for the real world. I feel that it is your staff that needs to be great at X's and O's. Of course you need to know some football, but your job as a head coach is to be a motivator and get the most out of your players.

Agree that Coach Schneider is any outstanding example of what a GOOD COACH should be and it is great that he has had such a huge influence on you..
Unfortunately there are a few (maybe 2) in N. Ky. that look to take some unfair shots at him because of their own paranoia and insecurity. Take a good look fellas, Coach Schneider has more class in his little finger then either of you could ever hope for..