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02-09-2023, 01:43 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-09-2023, 02:29 PM by Cactus Jack.)
I always think it's fun to have everyone rank the regions that they'd most or least like to see their school draw prior to the draw actually occurring.
This is a good way to build a point of reference for later discussions when it's said that someone "got a tough draw" or that they "would have went further if they'd gotten an easier draw".
Keep in mind that this won't be perfect. For example, I think we all would agree that there are regions that have one really good team who would make for a terrible draw, but that region doesn't have much depth past that, meaning that if the favorite were upset, then it would become a favorable draw.
From 1-16, with 1 being the region that you'd least want to face and 16 being the region that you'd want to see most, how would you rank them?
# 1 - 7th
# 2 - 4th
# 3 - 11th
# 4 - 9th
# 5 - 10th
# 6 - 2nd
# 7 - 6th
# 8 - 8th
# 9 - 1st
# 10 - 13th
# 11 - 12th
# 12 - 3rd
# 13 - 5th
# 14 - 16th
# 15 - 15th
# 16 - 14th
This is a good way to build a point of reference for later discussions when it's said that someone "got a tough draw" or that they "would have went further if they'd gotten an easier draw".
Keep in mind that this won't be perfect. For example, I think we all would agree that there are regions that have one really good team who would make for a terrible draw, but that region doesn't have much depth past that, meaning that if the favorite were upset, then it would become a favorable draw.
From 1-16, with 1 being the region that you'd least want to face and 16 being the region that you'd want to see most, how would you rank them?
# 1 - 7th
# 2 - 4th
# 3 - 11th
# 4 - 9th
# 5 - 10th
# 6 - 2nd
# 7 - 6th
# 8 - 8th
# 9 - 1st
# 10 - 13th
# 11 - 12th
# 12 - 3rd
# 13 - 5th
# 14 - 16th
# 15 - 15th
# 16 - 14th
02-09-2023, 02:50 PM
1. 4th
2. 10th
3. 11th
4. 7th
5. 9th
6. 8th
7. 13th
8. 1st
9. 2nd
10. 3rd
11. 6th
12. 12th
13. 16th
14. 15th
15. 14th
16. 5th
2. 10th
3. 11th
4. 7th
5. 9th
6. 8th
7. 13th
8. 1st
9. 2nd
10. 3rd
11. 6th
12. 12th
13. 16th
14. 15th
15. 14th
16. 5th
02-09-2023, 03:29 PM
02-09-2023, 04:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-09-2023, 04:17 PM by Mountainparkway.)
Hard to see because it’s not . Appears he had the 5th region rated 9th lol
Or one of us is reading it wrong
Or one of us is reading it wrong
02-09-2023, 04:21 PM
You are probably correct Lookayanner. I know very little about the 5th. They did have the lowest RPI of any region favorite, which is why I have them 16th. But looking at the schedules of top teams in the 5th they have the best win of any teams in my bottom four regions. Larue over GRC 72-71 in the King of the Bluegrass.
02-09-2023, 07:04 PM
(02-09-2023, 03:29 PM)LOOKAYANNER Wrote:(02-09-2023, 02:50 PM)Stone Jack Baller Wrote: 1. 4thI have a hard time seeing the 5th region rated 16th.
2. 10th
3. 11th
4. 7th
5. 9th
6. 8th
7. 13th
8. 1st
9. 2nd
10. 3rd
11. 6th
12. 12th
13. 16th
14. 15th
15. 14th
16. 5th
When I looked at the RPI ratings today wondering which regions were at the bottom, I was surprised to see Larue County ranked 27th as the top 5th Region team. I haven't seen anyone in that region play, so I can't say if it's true, but it did seem odd.
02-10-2023, 02:41 AM
(02-09-2023, 07:04 PM)HCS Wrote: When I looked at the RPI ratings today wondering which regions were at the bottom, I was surprised to see Larue County ranked 27th as the top 5th Region team. I haven't seen anyone in that region play, so I can't say if it's true, but it did seem odd.
I don't think any of us would say that the RPI is perfect, but when I looked at it earlier it seemed to reward teams with few losses. I thought it might be leaving something to be desired when it comes to rewarding tough losses and scaling back the ratings for teams who've collected plenty of wins regardless of who those came against. Also might not be the best indicator of regional rankings if you are isolating a single region.
A good example of this would be the 13th Region.
1. Harlan Co. - .66229
2. Harlan - .65470
3. Corbin - .61903
4. South Laurel - .61657
5. North Laurel - .60162
Harlan County is 21-5 overall, 8-0 in region, 5-0 in district, and 3-0 vs. out-of-state;
Harlan is 22-5 overall, 11-2 in region, 4-2 in district, and 0-0 vs. out-of-state;
Corbin is 16-5 overall, 10-1 in region, 5-1 in district, and 2-1 vs. out-of-state;
South Laurel is 18-7 overall, 9-6 in region, 4-2 in district, and 3-0 vs. out-of-state;
North Laurel is 17-10 overall, 9-0 in region, 7-0 in district, and 2-4 vs. out-of-state;
Found it interesting that North Laurel was so low when one of the teams above them (South Laurel) had lost six regional games, including two decisive losses to North.
South Laurel's worst RPI loss is to Madison Southern (.571). North's worst RPI loss is a blowout against Madison Central (.595) and their next worst is to Covington Catholic (.669).
I'm wondering how the out-of-state components are weighted. Some rankings systems will exclude opponents with small sample sizes. Based on the 13th, I'm thinking that these are probably included, which leaves me wondering how heavily weighted the opponent's record against in-state teams is.
The 1st, 2nd, 6th, 7th, and 14th regions each has a really large gap between the first place and second and third place teams compared to others, which may also give some insight into the formula.
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