[thecavemaster]

I would like to hear opinions/discussion on this statement:

The effect of talent on coaching is greater than the effect of coaching on talent.

[J. R. VanHoose]

I would like to hear opinions/discussion on this statement:

The effect of talent on coaching is greater than the effect of coaching on talent.

Talent alone does not win games. From what I have experienced, I think coaching has an effect on talent.

[Watchful Eye]

If coached correctly coaching enhances talent. Talent doesn't replace coaching though. It's hard to learn, excel or grow in areas if you don't know to look toward those areas.

[Nike Man]

The greater the talent the more freedom a coach can give. The less talented teams need to be better decision makers and shorten the games as much as possible. I disagree with J.R., talent alone wins alot of games. It's up to you as a coach to gage that talent in comparision to the team you play. You play a more talented team, you better shorten the game and do what's necessary to control clock and tempo. In turn, I agree with JR and his view that coaching has an effect on talent. Coaches can overcoach a talented team and destroy the creativity they may bring to the table. Too much freedom, too much control, it's a fine line but a coach must be able and willing to make the right decisions according to his talent pool.

[100%SUCCESS]

The greater the talent the more freedom a coach can give. The less talented teams need to be better decision makers and shorten the games as much as possible. I disagree with J.R., talent alone wins alot of games. It's up to you as a coach to gage that talent in comparision to the team you play. You play a more talented team, you better shorten the game and do what's necessary to control clock and tempo. In turn, I agree with JR and his view that coaching has an effect on talent. Coaches can overcoach a talented team and destroy the creativity they may bring to the table. Too much freedom, too much control, it's a fine line but a coach must be able and willing to make the right decisions according to his talent pool.

NICE POST!!!!!

[bobcatfan22]

The way the coach practices a team will effect their talent and potentiol

[J. R. VanHoose]

The greater the talent the more freedom a coach can give. The less talented teams need to be better decision makers and shorten the games as much as possible. I disagree with J.R., talent alone wins alot of games. It's up to you as a coach to gage that talent in comparision to the team you play. You play a more talented team, you better shorten the game and do what's necessary to control clock and tempo. In turn, I agree with JR and his view that coaching has an effect on talent. Coaches can overcoach a talented team and destroy the creativity they may bring to the table. Too much freedom, too much control, it's a fine line but a coach must be able and willing to make the right decisions according to his talent pool.

Talent may win you some games, but up against a great "team" and a great coach, talent will not prevail. Talent is usually developed by a great coach. For example myself. When I began playing basketball I was just another tall kid, that coul donly run up and down the court and rebound. I could not shoot well at all. It wasn't until I was in the 6th grade that I learned to properly shoot the ball (by the advie of Coach Runyon and some of his staff). I was pushed by all of my coaches to work on the weaknesses of my game during practice and in the summer. I was taught the proper fundamentals at an early age and was corrected when I performed them wrong. With guidance from my coaches I became talented and accomplished many things. I honestly believe that without all of the coaches that I had, I would never have accomplished so much!!

[phs1986]

Talent may win you some games, but up against a great "team" and a great coach, talent will not prevail. Talent is usually developed by a great coach. For example myself. When I began playing basketball I was just another tall kid, that coul donly run up and down the court and rebound. I could not shoot well at all. It wasn't until I was in the 6th grade that I learned to properly shoot the ball (by the advie of Coach Runyon and some of his staff). I was pushed by all of my coaches to work on the weaknesses of my game during practice and in the summer. I was taught the proper fundamentals at an early age and was corrected when I performed them wrong. With guidance from my coaches I became talented and accomplished many things. I honestly believe that without all of the coaches that I had, I would never have accomplished so much!!

GREAT POST!!!!

[BballFan63]

GREAT POST!!!!

I agree. You made some good points.

[NEXT]

Talent may win you some games, but up against a great "team" and a great coach, talent will not prevail. Talent is usually developed by a great coach. For example myself. When I began playing basketball I was just another tall kid, that coul donly run up and down the court and rebound. I could not shoot well at all. It wasn't until I was in the 6th grade that I learned to properly shoot the ball (by the advie of Coach Runyon and some of his staff). I was pushed by all of my coaches to work on the weaknesses of my game during practice and in the summer. I was taught the proper fundamentals at an early age and was corrected when I performed them wrong. With guidance from my coaches I became talented and accomplished many things. I honestly believe that without all of the coaches that I had, I would never have accomplished so much!!

I agree, but the talent has to be there to work with. It might be locked inside and need coaching to get it out but the talent has to be there and the DESIRE of the player/players to get better.

[Nike Man]

Talent may win you some games, but up against a great "team" and a great coach, talent will not prevail. Talent is usually developed by a great coach. For example myself. When I began playing basketball I was just another tall kid, that coul donly run up and down the court and rebound. I could not shoot well at all. It wasn't until I was in the 6th grade that I learned to properly shoot the ball (by the advie of Coach Runyon and some of his staff). I was pushed by all of my coaches to work on the weaknesses of my game during practice and in the summer. I was taught the proper fundamentals at an early age and was corrected when I performed them wrong. With guidance from my coaches I became talented and accomplished many things. I honestly believe that without all of the coaches that I had, I would never have accomplished so much!!

Talent is usually develpod by hard work and the drive to get better along with coaching. I'll t5ake a kid with heart and desire to improve and he will get better even if he has a mediocre coach. Coaching is about preparation and adjustments. Game plans last about 4 minutes into a game and after that you can throw it out the window. It's all about adjustments!!! Great players and great coaches adjust accordingly and that's what makes them winners.

[J. R. VanHoose]

I agree, but the talent has to be there to work with. It might be locked inside and need coaching to get it out but the talent has to be there and the DESIRE of the player/players to get better.

I agree with you, that a certain talent must be there, but, I also believe that desire breeds talent. You get out of it what you put into it. I have seen many talented players fail because they had no desire to work hard and improve. They believed they could succeed on talent alone!

[Junk Yard Dog]

The effect of talent on coaching is greater than the effect of coaching on talent.[/QUOTE]

I think the effect is mutal. A team could have all the talent in the world and still be coached poorly, and thus, not as successful as they should be. Also, alot of good coaches have won more than they should have with less talent than others. IMO, great things happen when you get the right combination of coaching and talent.

[Lisa Douglas]

Where does "heart" fit into these equations? Never underestimate it.

[3Cat]

Development of talent can be developed through the proper coach and program.

[J. R. VanHoose]

Talent is usually develpod by hard work and the drive to get better along with coaching. I'll take a kid with heart and desire to improve and he will get better even if he has a mediocre coach. Coaching is about preparation and adjustments. Game plans last about 4 minutes into a game and after that you can throw it out the window. It's all about adjustments!!! Great players and great coaches adjust accordingly and that's what makes them winners.

On this I will have to politely disagree. Heart and desire in players are very important, but a great coach will make them better by showing them the proper way to play under certain circumstances. A mediocre coach can just roll a ball out and say play and kids can do that and look good and bad at times. Coaching is about preperations and adjustments, but it is also about teaching kids to play the proper way (fundamentals) in certain situations. A kid must know when to use a variety of moves (jump hook, jump shot, up-and-under, dribble drive, crossover, behind-the-back, etc.) and when not to. A kid must also know when to use a counter-move in a certain situation and that comes from coaching. For example, lets say a post player has shot a jump hook two straight times in the lane. A good coach has taught a counter move to the jump hook to use to score on the defender again. The next time down the floor the kid uses an up-and-under move a scores again. Only proper coaching in practice has allowed the kid to be able to know when and where to use that move.

I will agree that great coaches and players adjust to certain situations. That is correct, but I believe that preparing them for those situations makes them great players and makes coaches great.

[Nike Man]

Coaches at every level refine and improve fundamentals as part of daily practice. Some coaches are better at it than others. I got a chance to go to Memorial Col. and watch Mason and Catholic. Great game and excellent coaching. It's nice to see players like that with coaching that brings out the best in each individual player. Good luck the rest of the way JR.

[J. R. VanHoose]

Coaches at every level refine and improve fundamentals as part of daily practice. Some coaches are better at it than others. I got a chance to go to Memorial Col. and watch Mason and Catholic. Great game and excellent coaching. It's nice to see players like that with coaching that brings out the best in each individual player. Good luck the rest of the way JR.

Thank you very much for the best wishes! Good debate as well!

[A-TRAIN]

The effect of talent on coaching is greater than the effect of coaching on talent.

I totally disagree with that statement, all players must come to each game prepared. That preparation comes from hard working coaches who know what it takes to be successful. Having transplanted myself from the 15th region (where I grew up and went to high school) to the 11th region, it is obvious here that the effect of coaching on talent carries more emphasis on winning games. Although the 15th region has produced some great players, there is no comparison to the 11th region (Lex Cath, Dunbar, Henry Clay, Tates Creek, Bryan Station, Scott County, Lex Christian, Lafayette, Madison Southern, Madison Central) just due to sheer numbers of students in the school systems. All teams have players with superb natual god-given talent, without the proper coaching and preparation, these teams loose games to less taleneted squads with superior coaching staffs. When you have both great talent and coaching, you get what we have here in the 42nd District, two of the states top 4 teams.

[bluegrass15]

imo that an excellent coach w/ average players would get beat by an average coach with very talented players. my point, no matter how good a coach is, he/she still have to have talent to win.

[footballdaddy10]

There have been many teams made up of very talented players that have had mediocre results. But a good coach will find ways to win with less talented players, and will definitely win with very talented players. Even the best coaches can not teach natural ability, but they can motivate and push even the best of players to their full potential.

[Leonidas]

We can sum this up really quick with a simple equation.

Great talent + average coaching > average talent + great coaching

I'll take better "jimmy's & joe's over anyones X's & O's".

Great coaching gets the best out of whatever talent he/she has to work with. Average coaching takes a team as far as talent will allow them to do so, and poor coaching can ruin the best of teams.