[ekff]

All of you that just get on here and complain, why don't you get on khsaa.org and get your application and get started. All you want to do is complain about all of us and you don't want to do nothing about it. We are very short handed and are definitely losing more officials than we are gaining due to age and other things and are not getting any new ones to take their places, so if you think you can do better than some of us out here, quit complaining about it and get off your big butts and lets see how it is done if you think you can do a better job. These guys are PEOPLE TOO. They have lives just like everyone else, they have REAL JOBS AND FAMILIES TOO. They do this job yes for a little extra money, but also because they love the game. Some of these guys travel over 100 miles one way to do a game for $60 and then get home at midnight and have to get up and go to a real job the next day, after they put gas in the car they might clear a big $10, wooooo hooooo....so instead of giving these guys a hard time, why don't you give them a hand for letting your kid or your school a chance to play these games,because you have to have them their to be albe to even play. It's ridiculous listening to all you bleacher refs complain about calls that you have no clue about because you have never been in the situations that they have. So like I said, if you can do a better job, please contact the khsaa and then Assignor Tommy Hall and let him know you are ready to go, and if not, just shut the heck up and watch the game and thank the officials after the game. Yes some do better than others, but at least they are trying.

Ok, this is the problem it is way too easy to become an official but i do believe there are some out there that care about the game and try their hardest and you know what Thank You if your one of the few. But some just kill it for the rest because they just suck. But that's in any kind of work. Most of all I hate a ref. that knows the game and has been doing it for years but are just "dirty." Because as bad as you hate to say it there are DIRTY ones out there.

[zone buster]

WRONG WRONG WRONG.....

its not any different if 2 jv guys work the jv game or if the 3 varsity refs do it. Either way it's 90 bucks... if the jv guys do it, they get $45 each, if the 3 varsity refs do it, they only get $30 each, which either way adds up to $90...and it's up to the assignor who puts people on the games when they get to do it, depending on how many games are that night and if they have to do it or not. Most Varsity guys don't want to do it anyways, because yes they are out of shape and can only handle one game, but we have to do it just to be able for these kids to play the game. So again, you have no idea what you are talking about....
:devilflam

I was thinking if the home team used their on JV refs they only had to pay them $30, and most of the time they use 2 which would equal $60. That would make them save a few bucks each night. Sorry I didn't realize it was $45 even if you used your own JV refs. You don't have to get so defensive. :Thumbs:

[zaga_fan]

:Thumbs:

That's the second time you've agreed with me this week.
The third time if you count that we both said Perry was going to beat Knott.

[ekff]

Who's everyone's Top 5 favorite Refs in the region and Top 5 least favorite Refs in the region?

Myself now that Tommy Hutton is gone, my favorite would have to be Kristie Combs.. But whats sad is I tried to think of my top 5 and couldn't think of 5 that I would truely trust and say I like....

[zaga_fan]

Who's everyone's Top 5 favorite Refs in the region and Top 5 least favorite Refs in the region?

Myself now that Tommy Hutton is gone, my favorite would have to be Kristie Combs.. But whats sad is I tried to think of my top 5 and couldn't think of 5 that I would truely trust and say I like....

Kristie is a great ref.
She would be in my top 5 as well.

[redstorm]

I would put the 13th region officials up against any region in the state. Not for sure how many is in the region (60-70?) but the top 15 is as good as any region in the state.

[kcc73]

Kristie is a good ref. Just give her a few more years before we put her in the top 5. Here's my top 5, in no particular order: Cook, Thacker, D. Campbell, J. Ritchie, and melton.

[redstorm]

I will say that the 14th is much better than the 15th, watching them over the past 6 years in our regional tournament

[KyGurl]

I know refs cant see everything, but my goodness, with 3 of them out there, they should do a better job !!!

[theflash]

Refs do have a hard job to do. You might not agree from what you see from the stands, but I know a lot of times a parent will think their kid got fouled and technically they didnt. A ref in a game has gotta put up with coaches, assistant coaches, players, and the people in the stands giving them crap the whole game most of the time. There are bad calls, good calls, and missed calls every game. Thats part of the game. If a team of refs called every call perfect one game which is impossible, but if they did, Im sure the team that lost would have complainers.

[OrangenowBlue]

I would put the 13th region officials up against any region in the state. Not for sure how many is in the region (60-70?) but the top 15 is as good as any region in the state.

I do agree that the 13th has improved tremendously over the last few years. However, they continue to carry the burden of the previous history of the crookedness of referees past. Some of the older and former referees had a history of being the shadiest in the state. The 13th region is famous or infamous statewide, in EVERY region, for their questionable officiating. I think they are slowly eliminating the stigma due to the much improved officiating.

[OrangenowBlue]

Refs do have a hard job to do. You might not agree from what you see from the stands, but I know a lot of times a parent will think their kid got fouled and technically they didnt. A ref in a game has gotta put up with coaches, assistant coaches, players, and the people in the stands giving them crap the whole game most of the time. There are bad calls, good calls, and missed calls every game. Thats part of the game. If a team of refs called every call perfect one game which is impossible, but if they did, Im sure the team that lost would have complainers.

I do agree they have a hard job but they make good money. If you add it up, they are making almost $30.00 an hour. A game usually last and hour and a half. It is a stressful job but they are rewarded for it. As far as traveling, their are many coal miners who travel a great distance and make less money an hour.

[OrangenowBlue]

Kristie is a good ref. Just give her a few more years before we put her in the top 5. Here's my top 5, in no particular order: Cook, Thacker, D. Campbell, J. Ritchie, and melton.

I would agree with everyone except Jeff Ritchie. I would put Kristie Combs in there with the other five. What I hate about it is neither Campbell nor Melton can do Letcher Central games because they either teach there or have taught there and retired. Sounds like Letcher County has a monopoly on good officiating as Cook, Campbell, Melton, and Tommy Hutton are all from Letcher.

[Mr. Onion Head]

They're bad around here in general, but there are always a few good ones. I think the 15th is the worse around though

[LClion4life]

What region has schools 200 miles apart?

I think the quote said home.

[OrangenowBlue]

I think the quote said home.

There are no referees in the region that live 200 miles from a school. The ones that do live far away are often times given both games(JV and Varsity) to make more money to reimburse for travel.

[jackbenimble]

The only good one out of the bunch is Tommy Hutton,the rest are terrible.

[Shady Grady]

What region has schools 200 miles apart?

I don't think I said that the schools were 200 miles apart. It is nothing for a ref to travel from his/her house to the gym and back home and put on 150-200 miles on their vehicle. As for the one who said it is good money, let me break it down. A typical day in the life of a ref: Get up at 5-6 in the morning. Go to work. Get home and rush to get cleaned up to go to game. Leave between 4:30 and 5:00. Get to gym. Call game, get yelled at, cursed, called the worst names imaginable. Run up and down the floor with a bunch of 16-18 year olds. After the game, take about 10 minutes to rest. Get dressed, travel back home. Get home about 10:30-11:00. Come in the house to find family in bed. It takes some time to wind down from the game. Get in bed between 11:30 and 12:00. Start again the next morning. Game fee: $55.00. Gas for travel: $15.00. Something to eat on the way home (there was no time for supper before leaving for game), $8.00. Net income for the night: $32.00. And to top it off, at the end of the year, get a 1099 for the $55.00 per game. So, for the six hours and a net of $32.00, that comes to $5.33/hour. If being a ref is such a good deal, then why aren't there more of them? I challenge each of you to put on the stripes and try calling a little league game or a jr. high game. Those events aren't KHSAA sanctioned, and therefore you don't have to be licensed. Most counties want at least one licensed official on a jr. high game, so you have an opportunity to call with a licensed official to see just how easy it is. Go ahead and try it. You'll get rich. :lmao:

[Strikeout King]

Guys/Girls i wouldn't get on here and whine, Complain about the Ref's too much cause if you do that then they just may make it hard for your team

[X's and O's]

I believe the 14th has some very knowledgeable refs but some play politics due to the rating system the coaches have and because they don't like certain schools or coaches. When a ref is inconsistent with his/her calls in a game and they always favor 1 team then there is a problem. I'm not talking about missing a call, that is going to happen but to call touch fouls on one end and nothing on the other unless there is blood on the floor then it is obvious what they are doing. If they don't like the school or the coach then don't call their games, don't play politics or get even by making bad calls to take games away from the players who are kids.

[X's and O's]

I would put the 13th region officials up against any region in the state. Not for sure how many is in the region (60-70?) but the top 15 is as good as any region in the state.

They may be knowledgeable of the game and how to officiate BUT!!!!!
...the reputation for the 13th Region is if you go to the 13th region to play you don't win unless you are 10-15 pts better than your opponent and then you may win by 1 or 2.

[LClion4life]

There are no referees in the region that live 200 miles from a school. The ones that do live far away are often times given both games(JV and Varsity) to make more money to reimburse for travel.

I have an uncle that lives in Greenup and refs 10th and 11th region ball. No, it's not 200 miles, but Greenup to Lexington is about 100 miles and a two hour trip. So a four hour round trip. I know this doesn't have anything to do with the 14th region, but some actually do it because they love it. He is however going to start doing the 16th region next year due to the travel and time spent away from his family.

[LOOKAYANNER]

I do agree that the 13th has improved tremendously over the last few years. However, they continue to carry the burden of the previous history of the crookedness of referees past. Some of the older and former referees had a history of being the shadiest in the state. The 13th region is famous or infamous statewide, in EVERY region, for their questionable officiating. I think they are slowly eliminating the stigma due to the much improved officiating.

They have improved but they had a lot of improving to do. They sent a crew to call the 56th district back in 1997 at Wolfe county and it was one of the worst officiated fiascos ever. A guy named Woods was as terrible as I've ever seen, and downright shady in my personal opinion. Tapes from the tournament sent to the KHSAA got him banned from officiating outside of the 13th region for 2 years, that's how bad it was. Hopefully he's not calling games anymore.
And Kirk always had a rep as an official that would lean for one team or another too. I didn't much care for his whistle in one of our regional tourn games in 2001. But that's just a personal opinion. There's just certain refs you hate to see walk out on the floor because you know if you're from outside of their region that you'd better be 20 points better or you'd be in trouble. He was one of those types. Your best player(s) would for sure have 3 fouls by early in the 2nd quarter, and there was only one way a block-charge was going to go and it darn sure wouldn't be your teams way.
Every region has these type refs to some degree. A few bad refs can give the entire regional officails a black eye.

[speedy socks]

I think there are alot of the 14th region officals that can do a good job, but depending on who you are playing usually says it all.

[Jed Clampett]

Granted it not easy being a ref but I gauge the profession much like Forest Gump in that being a ref is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you get. Here in the 15th there are some good ones and some that simply rate very poor. Thats just the way it is the mountans.

[WALL2WALL]

Many of them started out their ref careers in good physical shape but have since 'grown' into their present shape, along with a little help with the age factor. :biggrin:

:thatsfunn

[Windsprint]

My opinion
Cook--a crook
Ritchie--wants to be the center of attention
Campbell--High Integrity and a class act
Combs-Very good
Melton- Very Good
Thacker- according to who is playing- capable of doing a good job