[Poseidon]

"THE NEXT COACH WILL BE ERIC GRAVES FROM ADAIR CO. HE WON'T BE ABLE TO WIN EITHER... COTTON WAS TOLD TO EITHER STEP DOWN OR BE FIRED....HE WILL BE AT MERCER CO. NEXT YEAR CALLING PLAYS AGAINST TAYLOR IN DIST GAMES AND WINNING"
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/campbell...MHOQOGIO3J

[Pigskinman53]

The most wins anybody could have expected coming into this season was 3 maybe 4 wins IMO. Maybe Caverna, Adair, and Jackson which they did beat. You look at Green, Washington, Marion, Somerset no way they could have beat those 4. Casey also turned out to be much better than they have been and possibly had the best team in their history, I know isn't saying much but still. They only won a single game, but I think it must have went deeper than Win/lose record IMO. Maybe they felt they were bringing in an offensive genuis and didn't score any points. Or maybe the powers to be felt that the proper improvenments wasn't being made thoughout the season. Also some ppl in community might feel that they fired a coach for winning 4 games a season and replaced him with a guy that only won a game. It takes extremly thick skin to coach at any level in today's time. Like you said it's hundreds of ppl in the stands who feel they know more than every coach on the staff combined. Another trap in think ppl tend to fall into is the "oh they where good in middle school" Once a kid get to high school it takes a commitment to be successful, where in middle school all you have to do is show up. In high school it takes strength and speed training all year to be able to compete at a high level. I still find it very shocking in High School athletes ppl would be willing to get ride of a coach after a single season at the helm and at least not give him time to install his systems.

[Harry Doyle]

"THE NEXT COACH WILL BE ERIC GRAVES FROM ADAIR CO. HE WON'T BE ABLE TO WIN EITHER... COTTON WAS TOLD TO EITHER STEP DOWN OR BE FIRED....HE WILL BE AT MERCER CO. NEXT YEAR CALLING PLAYS AGAINST TAYLOR IN DIST GAMES AND WINNING"
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/campbell...MHOQOGIO3J

That could very well happen. Taylor County can win their non district games. I think we all know that Coach Cotton not being allowed to even have a full year on the job was not a very good move. He will move on and all parties involved will end up being happier in the long run I'm sure. I know for a fact that he and his staff were doing things 1st class in their first season and offseason up. The worst part about making this sudden change is the program has been set back another year. If I was the next coach, I'd be making dang sure that I was going to be given at least 4-5 years get things going like I wanted.

It will be interesting to see who applies for this job and gets it. This was a sad turn of events all around, and I just hope that everyone involved eventually gets what they are after.

[Pigskinman53]

If Cotton goes to Mercer I wonder how many points they will drop on TC next year? Graves still hasn't really won any games and Taylor Co. was the only game they won this season. So what type of expectation does the adminstration have for Graves?

[Harry Doyle]

If Cotton goes to Mercer I wonder how many points they will drop on TC next year? Graves still hasn't really won any games and Taylor Co. was the only game they won this season. So what type of expectation does the adminstration have for Graves?

That's million dollar question for him or whomever lands the job. Believe it or not, Taylor County looks like Highlands compared to Adair County though. It's a whole different monster, beyond belief really. Hard to imagine considering Adair has beat Taylor the last couple years, but it's true.

[Pigskinman53]

For how GREAT the ppl in the community view the CArdinal program, they've only had about 3 winning season in like the past 20 years.

[Poseidon]

The most wins anybody could have expected coming into this season was 3 maybe 4 wins IMO. Maybe Caverna, Adair, and Jackson which they did beat. You look at Green, Washington, Marion, Somerset no way they could have beat those 4. Casey also turned out to be much better than they have been and possibly had the best team in their history, I know isn't saying much but still. They only won a single game, but I think it must have went deeper than Win/lose record IMO. Maybe they felt they were bringing in an offensive genuis and didn't score any points. Or maybe the powers to be felt that the proper improvenments wasn't being made thoughout the season. Also some ppl in community might feel that they fired a coach for winning 4 games a season and replaced him with a guy that only won a game. It takes extremly thick skin to coach at any level in today's time. Like you said it's hundreds of ppl in the stands who feel they know more than every coach on the staff combined. Another trap in think ppl tend to fall into is the "oh they where good in middle school" Once a kid get to high school it takes a commitment to be successful, where in middle school all you have to do is show up. In high school it takes strength and speed training all year to be able to compete at a high level. I still find it very shocking in High School athletes ppl would be willing to get ride of a coach after a single season at the helm and at least not give him time to install his systems.

I do not think it was the fact that they lost so much as the way they lost. Losing to Casey and Garrard Counties by 40+ points, that is just embarrassing. Coach Cotton did not have a chance in TC. People around the TC programs do not take kindly to people they do not know,

[Poseidon]

For how GREAT the ppl in the community view the CArdinal program, they've only had about 3 winning season in like the past 20 years.

:Thumbs:

[Poseidon]

That's million dollar question for him or whomever lands the job. Believe it or not, Taylor County looks like Highlands compared to Adair County though. It's a whole different monster, beyond belief really. Hard to imagine considering Adair has beat Taylor the last couple years, but it's true.

I do not see Adair Being below TC in sports programs as far as being competitive, but that is just my opinion.

[Harry Doyle]

I do not see Adair Being below TC in sports programs as far as being competitive, but that is just my opinion.

I mean from a community, school atmosphere, etc. point of view. I know some people very well whom have/are involved in both programs, and I'm just basing this off of there points of view and my observations from a far.

[Harry Doyle]

For how GREAT the ppl in the community view the CArdinal program, they've only had about 3 winning season in like the past 20 years.

They definately haven't been able to figure things out, that's for sure.

[Harry Doyle]

*their.

[Poseidon]

I have heard per Topix in Campbellsville that some parents had a petitition to have Coach Cotton removed and that it was brought in front of the school board. I have tried to be a fan of the Cardinal program but this is just too much. I quit trying and am glad to have teams like Green, Boyle, ECT... to watch and cheer for.

[Pigskinman53]

yeah a petetion that is taking it a bit overboard IMO

[5th baseball]

TheBrahmaBull
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I moved to Campbellsville 5 years ago and coached Babe Ruth team. The parents were great during the regular season when we won the Title, but when things got tough in the District they turned on me quickly. I talked to coaches in the City and from around the area and they said that Taylor County had a bad reputation in regards to the attitude and that they had a perceived superiority complex. I know when Coach Cotton went through as far as the parents and it is almost an impossible job to coach in TC. There are hundreds if not thousands of wannabe coaches in TC that know more than the coach in their mind.


And now, the C-ville kids who were on the bench for that tourney are shooting for their 4th district title in a row.

[Poseidon]

TheBrahmaBull
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Heart Of Kentucky
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I moved to Campbellsville 5 years ago and coached Babe Ruth team. The parents were great during the regular season when we won the Title, but when things got tough in the District they turned on me quickly. I talked to coaches in the City and from around the area and they said that Taylor County had a bad reputation in regards to the attitude and that they had a perceived superiority complex. I know when Coach Cotton went through as far as the parents and it is almost an impossible job to coach in TC. There are hundreds if not thousands of wannabe coaches in TC that know more than the coach in their mind.


And now, the C-ville kids who were on the bench for that tourney are shooting for their 4th district title in a row.

Had no problem with the kids. The kids were great. I let everyone know that I had never coached baseball before and that I would get outside advice on how to coach the All-Stars, and I did. Did I make mistakes yep, but I do make mistakes and I have learned from them. There is a correlation with how the parents treated Coach Cotton and the way I was treated. That is what I was saying. As far as kids being on the bench, I used every player at one time or another, or so I thought. If I did not I am sorry. I will be the first to admit I did not know much about baseball. I just wanted to coach a team to see if I could learn. And while the All-stars came in 2nd in the District, which is not bad, the team I coached in the regular season won the title.

[Poseidon]

Had no problem with the kids. The kids were great. I let everyone know that I had never coached baseball before and that I would get outside advice on how to coach the All-Stars, and I did. Did I make mistakes yep, but I do make mistakes and I have learned from them. There is a correlation with how the parents treated Coach Cotton and the way I was treated. That is what I was saying. As far as kids being on the bench, I used every player at one time or another, or so I thought. If I did not I am sorry. I will be the first to admit I did not know much about baseball. I just wanted to coach a team to see if I could learn. And while the All-stars came in 2nd in the District, which is not bad, the team I coached in the regular season won the title.

And I am happy for the kids who are going for their 4th District Title in a row, that is a hard thing to do.

[5th baseball]

That wasn't a knock on you. Just a reflection of TC attitude. Parents bully their way to get what they want, then blame anyone but themselves for the mess they make.

Heck, they've never lost a game that wasn't the coaches fault.

[Poseidon]

That wasn't a knock on you. Just a reflection of TC attitude. Parents bully their way to get what they want, then blame anyone but themselves for the mess they make.

Heck, they've never lost a game that wasn't the coaches fault.

:Thumbs:

[Pigskinman53]

Heard that Eric Graves and 5 assistants (don't know from what school) applied for the job?

[Poseidon]

Heard that Eric Graves and 5 assistants (don't know from what school) applied for the job?

:Thumbs:
There is an assistant named ... Cox on the TC staff that coached the Middle school for a few seasons and had good results, especially on offense. I think he would be a descent hire.

[Poseidon]

Today in the Central Kentucky News Journal....
http://www.cknj.com/content/cotton-disag...ams-future

[Jackson05]

I heard thT coach cox resigned his football position the other day.

[Poseidon]

I heard thT coach cox resigned his football position the other day.

I had not heard that, but if he did, another blow for an already hurting program.

[LOVEITALL]

I moved to Campbellsville 5 years ago and coached Babe Ruth team. The parents were great during the regular season when we won the Title, but when things got tough in the District they turned on me quickly. I talked to coaches in the City and from around the area and they said that Taylor County had a bad reputation in regards to the attitude and that they had a perceived superiority complex. I know when Coach Cotton went through as far as the parents and it is almost an impossible job to coach in TC. There are hundreds if not thousands of wannabe coaches in TC that know more than the coach in their mind.

Well this post is quickly becomming a conversation of what role parents have in youth and high school sports. Times have changed the days of being there for a kid and seeing him develope are gone. The coaches are more about winning and there reputation than helping little Johnny. Im sure there are exceptions but the kids are the last thing on the coaches minds.Lets go to youth sports like the brahma bull mentioned. He coached a Babe Ruth team I would venture to guess that no coach in that league was without a kid on the team, there might be an if so that is great.I would also guess that 90% of the coaches in that league had their kids playing middle infield (unless they were lefties) batting at the top of the order. I would also deduce that very few of the coaches had any measurable success on the diamond as a player.What point am I making? The point is in youth sports the good coach is the guy who takes the worst player at the beginning of the sason and makes him better. He doesnt worry who gets to coach the allstar team so his son can get taken care of. High school, I wont address other than to say coaches shouldnt have there sons on the team. (look at Bell Co) and what happened in the border bowl.Now some instances it cant be helped but in the old days the coaches were much harder on their own sons,now it is the opposite because of the money at stake on the next level.If you look back all the problems started happening when youth sports started becomming profitable.The coaching lessons the money the league needs to travel to one of a hundred different world series.Why does a high school baseball team need to travel to FL. to play Ky teams during spring break? I will tell you why so the coaches can get a free vacation. Make them pay for 100% of their familys expenses and you will see alot more local baseball at spring break. The reason I use baseball as an example is my kids were involved in it when they were in H.S. Im sure the other sports are right there with baseball.I think it is important for parents to make sure their kids get a fair shot. I have seen many that dont and its ashame.Just because a guy is on the inside of the fence does not make him an expert in most cases only a better politician to get into clicks that so many of these leagues have.Most of these allstar teams are the same in t-ball as in babe ruth and the same dads are coaching all the way thru.But if you look,how many 12 yr old phenoms ever did anything in H.S. not many.They implemented the fall back rule in baseball because all the kids were quitting youth baseball,they had had enough of the coaches playing favorites so they let older kids play.That in itself should tell you something.The Cal Ripkin league was started because the was a need for coaches to leave little league because they had player friendly rules,mandatory playing time pitch count and the dads didnt want that so they went to a league that would let them do as they wished.I must say I lost all respect for Cal Ripken when he associated his name to that league. So in closing I think parents should take a vested intrest and communicate with coaches and hols the accountable for what they should be truly doin as a coach

[Poseidon]

Well this post is quickly becomming a conversation of what role parents have in youth and high school sports. Times have changed the days of being there for a kid and seeing him develope are gone. The coaches are more about winning and there reputation than helping little Johnny. Im sure there are exceptions but the kids are the last thing on the coaches minds.Lets go to youth sports like the brahma bull mentioned. He coached a Babe Ruth team I would venture to guess that no coach in that league was without a kid on the team, there might be an if so that is great.I would also guess that 90% of the coaches in that league had their kids playing middle infield (unless they were lefties) batting at the top of the order. I would also deduce that very few of the coaches had any measurable success on the diamond as a player.What point am I making? The point is in youth sports the good coach is the guy who takes the worst player at the beginning of the sason and makes him better. He doesnt worry who gets to coach the allstar team so his son can get taken care of. High school, I wont address other than to say coaches shouldnt have there sons on the team. (look at Bell Co) and what happened in the border bowl.Now some instances it cant be helped but in the old days the coaches were much harder on their own sons,now it is the opposite because of the money at stake on the next level.If you look back all the problems started happening when youth sports started becomming profitable.The coaching lessons the money the league needs to travel to one of a hundred different world series.Why does a high school baseball team need to travel to FL. to play Ky teams during spring break? I will tell you why so the coaches can get a free vacation. Make them pay for 100% of their familys expenses and you will see alot more local baseball at spring break. The reason I use baseball as an example is my kids were involved in it when they were in H.S. Im sure the other sports are right there with baseball.I think it is important for parents to make sure their kids get a fair shot. I have seen many that dont and its ashame.Just because a guy is on the inside of the fence does not make him an expert in most cases only a better politician to get into clicks that so many of these leagues have.Most of these allstar teams are the same in t-ball as in babe ruth and the same dads are coaching all the way thru.But if you look,how many 12 yr old phenoms ever did anything in H.S. not many.They implemented the fall back rule in baseball because all the kids were quitting youth baseball,they had had enough of the coaches playing favorites so they let older kids play.That in itself should tell you something.The Cal Ripkin league was started because the was a need for coaches to leave little league because they had player friendly rules,mandatory playing time pitch count and the dads didnt want that so they went to a league that would let them do as they wished.I must say I lost all respect for Cal Ripken when he associated his name to that league. So in closing I think parents should take a vested intrest and communicate with coaches and hols the accountable for what they should be truly doin as a coach

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